Thread Number: 31878  /  Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
New Henry's - Original, Compact & Professional
[Down to Last]

Vacuumland's exclusive eBay Watch:
scroll >>> for more items --- [As an eBay Partner, eBay may compensate vacuumland.org if you make a purchase using any link to eBay on this page]
Post# 351508   5/4/2016 at 05:06 (2,907 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture
New Henry line up! Glad to see the addition of on-board tool storage.

Post# 351513 , Reply# 1   5/4/2016 at 07:22 (2,907 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

spiraclean's profile picture
I did wonder if/when Numatic would include some form of tool storage into Henry's rump at some point. Considering the drum moulding has been altered a few times over the years already, omitting this feature always felt like such a missed opportunity. Only two slots by the looks of things, but still far neater and more durable than that single flimsy clip they used to provide.

As for the compact Henry, I could see that being rather popular. By and large I think most users are perfectly satisfied with the standard Henry, apart from the occasional grumble that he is somewhat bulky to store and tote up and down stairs. For smaller homes, or as a second cleaner, a scaled-down version will probably do quite well.


Post# 351514 , Reply# 2   5/4/2016 at 07:44 (2,907 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture
I was thinking the same thing, Spiraclean. I know a lot of people who have Henry's as garage vacs for DIY jobs, cleaning cars etc so the compact in those circumstances makes perfect sense.

I wonder if Numatic will keep the current single clip in addition to the new tool storage, thus keeping 2 tools on the body of the cleaner. Or if it's intended for the user to swap the tools themselves based on which ones they use the most.


Post# 351519 , Reply# 3   5/4/2016 at 09:38 (2,907 days old) by Numaticrule29 ( london uk)        

numaticrule29's profile picture
OMg I really really really want them all. At the moment I have a very big thing for numatics and I am a very big fan!!!'

Post# 351522 , Reply# 4   5/4/2016 at 10:18 (2,907 days old) by Tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)        
Single speed again?

tomvacuum10's profile picture
Have they gone back to single speed again?

Post# 351531 , Reply# 5   5/4/2016 at 11:46 (2,907 days old) by rutger (England)        

Oh cool ! Thanks for posting this :-)

On board tool storage at last. Neatly done & the only thing that ever really irked me was the lack of it.

I want the new 160 !

Any idea when they'll be available in the UK?

Cheers


Post# 351535 , Reply# 6   5/4/2016 at 12:01 (2,907 days old) by Dys0nb0y (Luton)        

dys0nb0y's profile picture
They look amazing, where did you find it I can't find it anywhere online.

Post# 351536 , Reply# 7   5/4/2016 at 12:06 (2,907 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
It was taken from a commercial cleaning magazine in the UK called C&M - or Cleaning & Maintenance

Post# 351549 , Reply# 8   5/4/2016 at 14:30 (2,906 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

jmurray01's profile picture

I like the new line-up very much!  Especially the "compact" and "professional" models.  I could see the former being especially popular for older people who find the regular Henry too heavy and cumbersome to use.


Post# 351565 , Reply# 9   5/4/2016 at 20:33 (2,906 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
My God!

alexhoovers94's profile picture
I wish Numatic would leave the flaming things alone! If it aint broke, don't fix it!

Post# 351577 , Reply# 10   5/5/2016 at 02:38 (2,906 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture
Negative Nancy strikes again.

Post# 351578 , Reply# 11   5/5/2016 at 02:44 (2,906 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture
I love the addition of the tool storage! I do hope they've kept the twin speed, high power is very difficult to use on carpet - certainly gives you a good workout!

I'm not keen on the models with the switch bank on the front, hopefully Numatic don't role this out across the whole range.


Post# 351582 , Reply# 12   5/5/2016 at 05:34 (2,906 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

spiraclean's profile picture
To be fair to Numatic, I think they've hit upon exactly the right formula for Henry. From a user's perspective, outwardly it's still the same cleaner they are already used to, that functions and performs exactly as they would expect. Any changes over the years have been incremental, to keep the cleaner up to date and address users' wants/needs, but without going so far as to render it unrecognisable from the original.

It worked for the Hoover Junior, Lux Twin Turbo, Kirby and Oreck, to name just a few examples. Lots of revisions "under the hood" with a few styling changes thrown in along the way, yet still essentially the same product when all is said and done. Familiar enough to keep repeat customers happy and coming back for more, but still with something new to offer for those considering the product for the first time.


Post# 351604 , Reply# 13   5/5/2016 at 10:44 (2,906 days old) by markus79 (Finland)        
cool

Funny thing that the price is the same for all three=) I am just wondering when they will add a telescopic wand for these? I would like to get to see this new compact model. This new floor tool is great comparing to old model.

Post# 351632 , Reply# 14   5/5/2016 at 14:19 (2,905 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

alexhoovers94's profile picture
Chris I am not being negative, I am being honest, all I will ever be, Numatics obviously sell in large numbers as it is, I just don't understand the reason for Numatic keep modifying a design that has been so successful for years and still is. What next? Move production to china?

Must be new management!

I will be getting the compact Henry I think, all though, my observation so far, just going off that picture, it will be a regular Henry motor unit on a James type bucket. I am hoping It is actually smaller all together though. How cute!


Post# 351643 , Reply# 15   5/5/2016 at 16:08 (2,905 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture

If it wasn't for modifying and evolving design, responding to market trends and customer needs, your beloved Hoover Turbomaster would never have existed. That's what ALL products do. Nothing can stay the same forever. If it did, we'd all still be vacuuming with Hoover Model O's, or old crank and bellows manual machines.


Post# 351645 , Reply# 16   5/5/2016 at 16:18 (2,905 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Numatic have a unique position as with SEBO; they are both commercial brands that deal with both a commercial market and a domestic market. Both brands have recognisable products straddling both markets; a factor that Hoover and Electrolux/et al have not cornered all that well in Europe and UK in my opinion.

Numatic are lucky in the sense that they have the tub market all on their own in terms of supplying both domestic and trade markets with a very reliable and well tested product. Tie in widespread parts availability and brand recognition and it makes absolute sense for particular variants to see upgrades over time. It would be nuts for them to turn back on what has been *and still is, a very successful product. Hence why they have released three different variants of Henry.




Post# 351647 , Reply# 17   5/5/2016 at 16:24 (2,905 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

alexhoovers94's profile picture
I am not saying it is a bad thing, it is just there is nothing wrong with Henry as he is at the moment. I like the idea of on-board tools for practicality, just I think it makes the machine look a bit messy...Not that it matters to most people I suppose.

Post# 351648 , Reply# 18   5/5/2016 at 16:36 (2,905 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Id rather have proper tool storage. I can't count the times I have had a single tool ping off the clip around the rubberised belt of the Henry if the hose touches it. The slide in tool storage area mimics what has been done before with other brands, or storers at the rear. Better than trying to find a bag of tools.

  View Full Size
Post# 351671 , Reply# 19   5/5/2016 at 22:28 (2,905 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

delaneymeegan's profile picture

 

 

I'm wondering when Numatic is going to redesign Henry and put the motor in the BASE of the unit, so he isn't so top heavy.  With the dirt compartment on TOP, it would be easier to empty.  

Also, he needs to have a bagless insert for those who chose to use such an option.  

It would be good if he had a built-in turbo dust collector to cut down on bag use.

And where is Henry electric floor brush, or OPTION for one? 


Post# 351695 , Reply# 20   5/6/2016 at 03:53 (2,905 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture
delaneymeegan, you have to remember that manufacturers will respond to trends in the market. Powernozzle's have never been popular in the UK and probably even less so in mainland Europe where hard floors are more common. There's only a very small number of manufacturers that actually offer a powernozzle here and they're comparably very expensive. I'd guess about 80% of the cylinder market here is straight suction machines and about another 15% turbo brushes. Give or a take.

Whereas compact machines and vacuums with on board tools are big sellers, powernozzle's aren't. So it's only natural that any modifications that Numatic make are tailored to the market dempands that they're aiming at.

Don't forget also, as Nar mentioned above, Numatic dominate the commercial market here. You can't walk down a high street and not see one being used in a shop, bank, cafe or office. Lots of schools and hotels use them too. Powernozzle's make the machine heavier to use and it's another part to potentially break. The simpleness of Numatic cleaners is their strongest point. It makes for a more reliable cleaner overall, which is essential in the commercial market and one of the biggest reasons for their successful crossover into the domestic market.

Putting the motor underneath would require a complete redesign of a vacuum that has remained largely unchanged but hugely successful since the late 70's. Numatic continue to be the biggest vacuum seller in the UK. Whilst they've made design modifications to keep up with market trends over the years, such as twin speed, HEPA bags and now tool storage, the basic design of the machine has remained very much unchanged and rightly so. Henry inparticular is quite iconic over here, if Numatic were to start changing that, they would risk a decrease in sales. The Numatic brand itself is not well known, but you mention "Henry hoover" to someone and they instantly know what you're talking about, even though Henry is only 1 model out of the whole range.

"Also, he needs to have a bagless insert for those who chose to use such an option"

Does he really? Why? It wouldn't add to the performance and again is another part to potentially go wrong. Tell me, how many bagless commercial vacuums do you see in the US? Have you ever seen a Dyson or Bissell or something being used in a shop or a hotel or a school? Bagless don't do well in commercial environments and as Numatic are largely a commercial cleaning company, it would be a pointless move. People who want bagless will buy bagless vacuums, although I have to say I have seen an increase in people moving back to bagged vacuums in recent years (thankfully!).


Post# 351702 , Reply# 21   5/6/2016 at 11:23 (2,905 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        
Redesign

delaneymeegan's profile picture

 

 

I think if they took the iconic Henry tub, as he looks now, and rearranged the inside ONLY, people would not care.  

 

A Henry that is easier to empty, who could complain about that?  With his bag/dirt chamber on the top, all one would need do is lift it off to empty.  No need to first remove a heavy top, put it down, detach the hose, then remove the dirt or bag, then replace everything.

 

It's true, all canisters should have NON obtrusive tool storage, and I applaud the recent improvements.  It could be better though.

 

As for pns, they should offer the choice to add one by putting a receptacle on the front and offering a pn and electric hose sold separate.  It's reasonable to believe that more Henrys will be sold in other places than just the UK.  I'm seeing them on Ebay and have considered buying one too, in the U.S..  The lack of a pn is a negative.  It isn't a big deal to install a receptacle on the machine.   I'm surprised too Henry doesn't have an electric furniture brush.  Brits have a lot of stairs and those work great on that.

 

I wonder how feasible it would be to install a dual voltage motor in these.  So all one would need to do is slide a switch to get it to work on 230 or 115 volt.  That would streamline manufacturing and make a single Henry usable for more markets. I wish the U.S. and Canada would convert to 230 volt.  It's a better system.

 

Numatic has slapped Henrys face and colors on many versions over the years.  It would be foolish to think they are still making the same vacs as they were 30 years ago.  The changes haven't been as extreme as say Hoover or Electrolux, but they have changed, and they will no doubt continue to make improvements.  Any change has the possibility of losing customer.  It also has the chance of greatly increasing customers.  Failing to make changes can bring similar results.

 

I think it's a neat vac and I keep going back and forth about possibly adding one to my collection.  I like his simple flex retraction system.  Numatic seems like a good company and one Brits, I'm sure, are proud to call their own.

 

 


Post# 351737 , Reply# 22   5/7/2016 at 09:34 (2,904 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
“I think if they took the iconic Henry tub, as he looks now and rearranged the inside ONLY, people would not care.”

Its not about the customer - if the base of the unit fails to cradle a dust bag cleanly and doesn’t impede the suction air flow, why change it?

“As for PNs, they should offer the choice by putting a receptacle on the front, offering a PN and electric hose separate. The lack of a PN is a negative, it isn’t a big deal to install a receptacle on the machine…surprised it doesn’t have an electric furniture brush.”

Um, because the company aren’t making a solely designed home vacuum here. Its a commercially based vacuum so its simplicity all the way.

They would not fit optional this and that only for something else to break off and damage their reputation for solidity. Numatic are a tub vac company and that's what they're known best for worldwide despite other private label appliances that might be processed under the Numatic name.

"Numatic has slapped Henrys face and colors on many versions over the years. It would be foolish to think they are still making the same vacs as they were 30 years ago. The changes haven't been as extreme as say Hoover or Electrolux, but they have changed, and they will no doubt continue to make improvements. Any change has the possibility of losing customer. It also has the chance of greatly increasing customers. Failing to make changes can bring similar results."

Nope, you're assuming Numatic is the same as Electrolux, Hoover and other DOMESTIC brands. There are very few changes to a Numatic Henry in my opinion sold in the 1980s to the models we see now. Numatic also sell worldwide, and a bit like SEBO use private labels to their machines and models. Some Numatics are not sold with the smiling faces, particularly in the commercial market where bigger capacity models are available.

Until you actually get one Delaney you won't really know how much worth a Henry vacuum can provide. It is simplistic cleaning at its core, nothing too fancy and nothing too stylish that will make others coo over the vacuum if they see it. Henry is a great suction vacuum at the end of the day. Buyers won't look on it as a Miele sledge alternative.

To ram home the idea that Numatic are more of a commercial vac company, look at these versions. Where are the domestic equivalents from some of the other brands you mention?



  View Full Size
Post# 351742 , Reply# 23   5/7/2016 at 12:39 (2,904 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

As above, very well said Sebofan. Clearly one "issue" Numatic have to address is that when using a Henry or whatever cleaner of theirs you own, in a domestic setting, the chances of it ever wearing out are none existent. Thus they have to constantly find ways of keeping the same product more up to date than the one someone may already own. It’s about making a consumer lust after a new purchase without making the product either over engineered or of a quality that will fail far too soon.

As regards the Henry 160 being a Henry top on a James sized based, that would make it a regular sized Henry. The James is the exact same size.


Post# 351745 , Reply# 24   5/7/2016 at 14:04 (2,903 days old) by rutger (England)        

I think Numatic are to applauded for having an excellent product & refining it so that (a) it's an improvement & (b) actually listening to what the customer wants.
In so many ways if the rest of British industry had done this & not had a "take it or leave it" attitude, we might still produce rather more than we now do.


Post# 351747 , Reply# 25   5/7/2016 at 15:07 (2,903 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

alexhoovers94's profile picture
The James has a shorter bucket, if you put it next to a Henry it is not wuite as tall, it was just a thought was all...

Post# 351754 , Reply# 26   5/7/2016 at 16:03 (2,903 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

Alex I stand corrected as I had no idea at all Numatic were now using a different base on James. I can even see the difference in the photos. I wonder why this is? The bag capacity will be the same so you’d think the Henry tub would be made the same way.

Post# 351761 , Reply# 27   5/7/2016 at 19:29 (2,903 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Numatic could well be making the compact model with a smaller dust bag.

Also in response, or rather to back up with Benny has said, an example of another model I owned springs to mind also by Numatic - the Charles wet and dry model. I owned one for a few years. I adored the power and I appreciated the massive 15 litre dust bag, more so that ONE bag seemed to last a year and a half when used solely as a home vacuum.

But oh how I missed the Bowler hat manual cord winder! Again whilst this reiterates that Numatic can make a good vacuum, I didn't half lust over having the hand cord winder instead of having to manually wind up the 10 metre cable after every use with Charles, and like the James vac I also had, Charles also had the awful difficult to remove aluminium tubes compared to Henry's easier stainless steel ones.


Post# 351780 , Reply# 28   5/8/2016 at 03:04 (2,903 days old) by Tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)        
Is the Compact a different size?

tomvacuum10's profile picture
If the Compact is the had the base of a smaller Numatic like the James, would it not have the 'dip' in between the castor wheels? I think that it is a completely different size to the 300 that we are used to using. I may be wrong though. I found a photo of a Henry with a smaller 180 type base. It looks different to the 180 (compact)in the photo of all three vacuums. I have a photo of the James base (and annotations thanks to Snapchat 😂) and also the Henry I found on Google images. (Sorry about the photo of the Henry, I forgot to crop it)

Thomas.


  Photos...       <              >      Photo 1 of 2         View Full Size
Post# 351781 , Reply# 29   5/8/2016 at 03:23 (2,903 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture
James is a 180, the new Compact is a 160.

Post# 351782 , Reply# 30   5/8/2016 at 03:44 (2,903 days old) by Tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)        
160*

tomvacuum10's profile picture
Sorry, got confused between 160 and 180.


Post# 351783 , Reply# 31   5/8/2016 at 04:23 (2,903 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

delaneymeegan's profile picture

 

 

 

So, do we think Henry will ever get a sophisticated remake?  Something complete with a variable speed digital read-out on his forehead.  Perhaps a gas pump wand with numerous finger-tip controls?  A dirt sensor.... on a 2 speed power nozzle?

 

Now, I'm joking because I know a vacuum should not have electronics in it.  It's just silly and a waste.  Still, Henry needs to be reshaped so he doesn't take up so much room in Brits limited closet space.  Also, Brits have more stairs in their homes, and a vacuum that can't be set on stair steps seems awkward.

 

I had a Eureka Mighty Mite a while back, and when the hose is removed, it can be set ON END like an Iron, on an upper shelf, with one hand.  It was about 50% larger than an iron.

 

I'm really sensing that Brits like the IDEA, or perhaps the PERCEPTION, of simplicity, at least in regards to vacuums.  I emphasize perception because, Numatic is clearly a diversified company with sophisticated marketing.  It's not like Numatic has thoughtlessly been making the same models for the last 30+ years.   "The trusty brand just trudges on" kind of attitude.  

 

As I said earlier,  Henry may still exist after 30 years, which is rare for a company to keep a model that long, at least in the U.S., but he is in name only.  He's been redesigned numerous times now.   Also, all these other brethren in the gang: James, Charles, Hetty, Rutger, etc. There is slight variations between most.  That's marketing.  That's creating the illusion of many choices.  Hoover, Kenmore, Eureka, and similar U.S. brands have done the same in the past. Not the names of Royalty, but they've attempted to create a hierarchy of sorts. 

 

It's interesting because, in the U.S. we'd see a product company try and make a product seem, and in some cases actually BE, more sophsticated.  Numatic has done the opposite.  Essentially painting a cartoon face on a product is almost mocking it.  In the U.S., I think it would probably be a laughing matter to have such down playing of a product.  I think Numatic could compete in the U.S. with the models that don't have the cartoon face on the front.  Perhaps, that's why we don't see that many Henrys here.

 

Frankly, when I look at the Numatic vacs that don't have the cartoon face and name on it, it seems like something I would buy.  It really should say "Numatic" on the side, and perhaps have a model number after the name.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO delaneymeegan's LINK



This post was last edited 05/08/2016 at 04:41
Post# 351784 , Reply# 32   5/8/2016 at 04:57 (2,903 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

"Still, Henry needs to be reshaped so he doesn't take up so much room in Brits limited closet space. Also, Brits have more stairs in their homes, and a vacuum that can't be set on stair steps seems awkward."

Thank you for this. There is nothing I like more than being told about what I have and what I need.


Post# 351785 , Reply# 33   5/8/2016 at 05:27 (2,903 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
might as well have my input..

Dare say this'll end badly but oh well,

Personally I think that the new tool storage looks horrid. It just doesn't fit with the machines' design well at all. Yes,I know that "tweekage" is needed and modifications are needed for a company to advance its products and all,but that,it's just ugh.


Post# 351786 , Reply# 34   5/8/2016 at 06:15 (2,903 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture

"Just ugh", is that a technical description, Emma? :P.

Delaneymeegan, the whole point of the Henry shape is that it's a face with a hat. It looks like a person. Change the shape and you lose the characterisation. In the case of the Eureka above, it's a generic shaped vacuum with a face on the side of it. Funny because despite your criticism, even though I gather you've never actually owned or used one, it's still the biggest selling vacuum in the UK, the most widely recognised and the most popular commercial vacuum in Europe. So it can't be that difficult to store or awkward to use.




This post was last edited 05/08/2016 at 11:42
Post# 351791 , Reply# 35   5/8/2016 at 07:00 (2,903 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        

Funny how you'd say that I've never owned let alone used one. Because oddly enough there's one right next to me in my room. Oh deary me I must be in the wrong house!

Also,I never criticized that its "awkward to store and use." At least not in this thread.


Post# 351792 , Reply# 36   5/8/2016 at 07:33 (2,903 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

alexhoovers94's profile picture
Ahh yes, I forgot about the dip in the front of a James type bucket, well that knocks that idea out of the window, lol.
I can't wait to get a compact, although, seems silly paying the same price for a smaller Henry than just the regular one, but I definitely don't want to miss out on the compact model.

I just bought one of the last few Jacks, I will never use it and don't plan to, but it will be a money magnet in years to come.

Alex.


Post# 351800 , Reply# 37   5/8/2016 at 11:41 (2,903 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture

Emma, I wasn't talking to you there, I was talking to delaneymeegan. Edited to make it clearer.


Post# 351802 , Reply# 38   5/8/2016 at 12:16 (2,903 days old) by rutger (England)        

delaneymeegan, Henry doesn't have to sit on the stairs. The hose is long enough that I can reach halfway down the stairs with the little chap sat on the "landing"/area at the top of the stairs & then I put him at the foot/ bottom of the stairs & do the other half upwards.
We have a small house & the several Henry type's we have are accommodated just fine.


Post# 351803 , Reply# 39   5/8/2016 at 13:34 (2,902 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
"It's interesting because, in the U.S. we'd see a product company try and make a product seem, and in some cases actually BE, more sophsticated."

Our British perception of simplicity has changed over the years due to constant American influence. Small fridge freezers have become big large walk in styles that take up so much space, most home owners shift them to the conservatory.

Televisions are now wall mounted as seen on TV from American reality TV programmes.


"...Essentially painting a cartoon face on a product is almost mocking it. In the U.S., I think it would probably be a laughing matter to have such down playing of a product. I think Numatic could compete in the U.S. with the models that don't have the cartoon face on the front. Perhaps, that's why we don't see that many Henrys here.

Frankly, when I look at the Numatic vacs that don't have the cartoon face and name on it, it seems like something I would buy. It really should say "Numatic" on the side, and perhaps have a model number after the name..."

Oh how little you know. Nacecare sold this model. Recognise it by any chance? A fair few were sold in the U.S quite a few years ago.

And currently Numatic Henry vacs have removable features. So you can have the face on it or not.


  View Full Size
Post# 351806 , Reply# 40   5/8/2016 at 14:03 (2,902 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Turbo500

Sorry i didn't realise. I would remove my second post but unfortunately I can't.

Maybe I shouldn't be so prissy next time lol.




This post was last edited 05/08/2016 at 15:45
Post# 351809 , Reply# 41   5/8/2016 at 15:53 (2,902 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

delaneymeegan's profile picture

 

 

On aboard tool storage is necessary, really for any vac.  It needs to be Non-obtrusive though.

 

Henry's are obtrusive and it isn't all the tools.   Non-obtrusive means the tools are not easily knocked off the vac and they are in a compartment or in form fitting recessed areas.  

We had vacuums with obtrusive parts holders in the 1970s on vacs like Kenmore, Eureka, and Hoover Celebrity.  Its annoying when the parts fall off and stick up.

 


Post# 351815 , Reply# 42   5/8/2016 at 16:39 (2,902 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Tellingly when I asked SEBO why they don't return to hiding tools under a flap on their cylinder vacs, it is is because of the way lids tend to fall off if the vacuum loses balance etc.

Frankly I dont mind the tools at the back of the Henry.

Vax have also done something similar with their canister tubs in providing slots but it seems Numatic have gone one better in providing partitions within the added plastic body to cradle the two tools. The three slots on my Vax tub will stay put unless the hose brushes past and they sometimes get knocked off.

However, they're on board, they're open and able to be picked at in an instance but they also look as if they would stay on, if say Henry toppled over. Time will tell of course when people start to buy these new Numatics.

At the moment I use the long crevice tool and pull down dust brush that came with my Vax Cordless Air on my Vax tub. That way I can use another slot to slide in the adaptor cuff and mount a mini turbo brush on the side.


Post# 351816 , Reply# 43   5/8/2016 at 16:40 (2,902 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

alexhoovers94's profile picture
Emma, funny you can't temove your post, when you have just edited you latest post.

Post# 351818 , Reply# 44   5/8/2016 at 17:14 (2,902 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

The Numatic Henry encapsulates what a vacuum is going to be like in order to perform well, last well, and act as well as can be expected from that type of appliance. No matter what anyone does to a vacuum cleaner, there are always going to be aspects of it which annoy one person, excite another, and leave the remainder in a state of I-didn’t –really-care-either-way-to-be-frank. There is a limit to what the manufacture of a vacuum cleaner can do to make what they are offering as appealing as possible. For me, I have never like on-board tools on cylinder cleaners, ever. This is because we have never really had one where the tools simply snap into the cleaner quickly and easily, without fuss, like we’ve had on countless uprights over the years.

The cleaner I have disliked the least when it came to on-board tools was the Electrolux Lite from the later 1980’s and 1990’s, where all one had to do was stand the cleaner on end and take out the relevant tool from underneath the cleaner. The only downside to this machine was that the tools were tiny.

I have always loathed any tools stored on the hose wand, the extension tubes, or the hose, as for me they always got in the darn way of the cleaning. I have never liked tools stored under flaps on the top or the rear of the cleaner as I thought it too much of a fiddle, and I loathe with a passion any cleaner where the tools are stored on a tray above the dustbag so that the user has to switch off the cleaner & wait for the suction to subside before selecting an attachment to do the next task. Talk about solving one problem and creating another – that really slows down the cleaning.

I suppose the reason I don’t care about on-board tools is that my mother always carried a bucket of cleaning products around the house whilst she was cleaning, and in her bucket she kept all manner of brushes for dry dusting and attachments for her vacuum cleaners. So for her it was of little importance whether her cleaner held the tools or not.


Post# 351822 , Reply# 45   5/8/2016 at 17:47 (2,902 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
The other thing is though Numatic vacs are very versatile and adaptable. They use 32mm fittings so you can use any other attachment from another brand. I liked using my Electrolux pet hair tool with the risor visor with the Numatic as well as having to upgrade to a Nilfisk 32mm floor head (Wessel Werk) because it had a metal sole plate against the plastic job that Numatic supplied.

The other thing is, well its not as if Numatic's vacs all use different bags -they all fit other models in the Numatic family, so it keeps things simple. That can't be said for other brands who all supply dust bags for their different models but then change the cartridge design accordingly as per model. Same with filters for bagless vacs - not many are interchangeable with other models from the same brand.



Post# 351824 , Reply# 46   5/8/2016 at 17:59 (2,902 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Alex

I was talking about post #40.

Post# 351848 , Reply# 47   5/9/2016 at 02:25 (2,902 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have a two speed Numatic Henry I bought from another collector.The machine does very well!!LESS IS MORE!!Like the vacuums SIMPLICITY!Like a Crown or QSC power amp to a roadie-the amp or vacuum does the job with little or no fuss.Tools on board always have the problem of falling "off board" the machine while its being used.The Henry I have must have been purchased from a janitorial supplier-has the name of the place on the vacuum.Right now I am using Kirby filtrete bags in Henry-I don't have any orig bags.So far it works fine.The Henry vacuum is decent quality-heavy duty quality plastic and a good motor and filter.don't mind the motor in Henrys "Hat".Its not THAT heavy to lift.

Post# 351856 , Reply# 48   5/9/2016 at 06:17 (2,902 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

eurekaprince's profile picture
In Canada, Numatic sells a nice green Harry with a power nozzle. Here's the link from McHardy Vacuum in London (!!!!), Ontario:



CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK


Post# 351873 , Reply# 49   5/9/2016 at 10:42 (2,902 days old) by rutger (England)        

I keep looking at the pic of the tool storage & something is puzzling me. I can see that the two tools store but where does the adaptor go (to enable them to fit the hose)that fits into the tools? It's quite a long piece so I can't see it being kept within one of the tools or it may touch the floor. More pics when available will doubtless help.

Post# 351874 , Reply# 50   5/9/2016 at 10:51 (2,902 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

alexhoovers94's profile picture
Well unless you need to use the tools on the hose end, it won't matter.
Judging by the shape of the body, I also think it will only fit those two specific tools, I doubt the upholstery tool will fit in the gap and as you said, the adapter.


Post# 351895 , Reply# 51   5/9/2016 at 15:54 (2,901 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Given that the adapter is bigger than 32mm at one end, there's every possibility the end part has already been slotted into any one of the tools and slid into one of those storage slots.

Post# 351994 , Reply# 52   5/11/2016 at 09:01 (2,900 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
HV160

Post# 351995 , Reply# 53   5/11/2016 at 09:02 (2,900 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
HVR200

Post# 351996 , Reply# 54   5/11/2016 at 09:03 (2,900 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
HVR240

Post# 351997 , Reply# 55   5/11/2016 at 09:04 (2,900 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Cordless

  View Full Size
Post# 351998 , Reply# 56   5/11/2016 at 09:04 (2,900 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Floor tools etc

Post# 351999 , Reply# 57   5/11/2016 at 09:05 (2,900 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
The new range

Post# 352019 , Reply# 58   5/11/2016 at 10:41 (2,900 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

turbo500's profile picture
The new compact is now on Numatic.co.uk

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK


Post# 352020 , Reply# 59   5/11/2016 at 10:42 (2,900 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Wow thanks!

alexhoovers94's profile picture
They look amazing, so excited to get the compact. The only thing I am not keen on on these new models is that is has the model number printed under the name, apart from that, the look great! Well done Numatic! 😄

Post# 352021 , Reply# 60   5/11/2016 at 10:55 (2,900 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Also...Reply 53.

alexhoovers94's profile picture
That guy is fit!!

Post# 352411 , Reply# 61   5/19/2016 at 08:38 (2,892 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
Dellaneymeegan...

Or however you spell it...
Henry is primarily designed to be simple, robust and reliable.
He will never have an electronic speed control. Numatic tried a simple 2 speed version where low was default and you had to switch to high every time you turned it on. It was seriously detrimental to reliability.
His bag is in the base so the airflow isn't obstructed as the bag fills.
You can use him bagless but it's messy and imo shortens motor life .
He uses half the power of most vacuums.
Sorry if he's not to your taste.
Seamus


Post# 352414 , Reply# 62   5/19/2016 at 08:46 (2,892 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

alexhoovers94's profile picture
He is also an it! 😉😂😂

Post# 352464 , Reply# 63   5/19/2016 at 21:38 (2,891 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

henrydreyfuss's profile picture
I'll take one compact and one cordless, kthx.

Post# 352597 , Reply# 64   5/21/2016 at 17:32 (2,889 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

delaneymeegan's profile picture

 

 

 

See....

A cordless Henry.   Now I want one......


Post# 449707 , Reply# 65   1/29/2022 at 01:56 (811 days old) by texbodemer (Mountlake Terrace)        

texbodemer's profile picture
I love Henry's smile!


Forum Index:       Other Forums:                      



Comes to the Rescue!

Woops, Time to Check the Bag!!!
Either you need to change your vacuum bag or you forgot to LOG-IN?

Discuss-O-MAT Log-In



New Members
Click Here To Sign Up.



                     


automaticwasher.org home
Discuss-o-Mat Forums
Vintage Brochures, Service and Owners Manuals
Fun Vintage Washer Ephemera
See It Wash!
Video Downloads
Audio Downloads
Picture of the Day
Patent of the Day
Photos of our Collections
The Old Aberdeen Farm
Vintage Service Manuals
Vintage washer/dryer/dishwasher to sell?
Technical/service questions?
Looking for Parts?
Website related questions?
Digital Millennium Copyright Act Policy
Our Privacy Policy