Thread Number: 31878
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Post# 351508   5/4/2016 at 05:06 (2,907 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351513 , Reply# 1   5/4/2016 at 07:22 (2,907 days old) by spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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I did wonder if/when Numatic would include some form of tool storage into Henry's rump at some point. Considering the drum moulding has been altered a few times over the years already, omitting this feature always felt like such a missed opportunity. Only two slots by the looks of things, but still far neater and more durable than that single flimsy clip they used to provide.
As for the compact Henry, I could see that being rather popular. By and large I think most users are perfectly satisfied with the standard Henry, apart from the occasional grumble that he is somewhat bulky to store and tote up and down stairs. For smaller homes, or as a second cleaner, a scaled-down version will probably do quite well. |
Post# 351514 , Reply# 2   5/4/2016 at 07:44 (2,907 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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I was thinking the same thing, Spiraclean. I know a lot of people who have Henry's as garage vacs for DIY jobs, cleaning cars etc so the compact in those circumstances makes perfect sense.
I wonder if Numatic will keep the current single clip in addition to the new tool storage, thus keeping 2 tools on the body of the cleaner. Or if it's intended for the user to swap the tools themselves based on which ones they use the most. |
Post# 351519 , Reply# 3   5/4/2016 at 09:38 (2,907 days old) by Numaticrule29 ( london uk)   |   | |
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Post# 351522 , Reply# 4   5/4/2016 at 10:18 (2,907 days old) by Tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 351531 , Reply# 5   5/4/2016 at 11:46 (2,907 days old) by rutger (England)   |   | |
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Oh cool ! Thanks for posting this :-) On board tool storage at last. Neatly done & the only thing that ever really irked me was the lack of it. I want the new 160 ! Any idea when they'll be available in the UK? Cheers |
Post# 351535 , Reply# 6   5/4/2016 at 12:01 (2,907 days old) by Dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 351536 , Reply# 7   5/4/2016 at 12:06 (2,907 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 351549 , Reply# 8   5/4/2016 at 14:30 (2,906 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 351565 , Reply# 9   5/4/2016 at 20:33 (2,906 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351577 , Reply# 10   5/5/2016 at 02:38 (2,906 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351578 , Reply# 11   5/5/2016 at 02:44 (2,906 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351582 , Reply# 12   5/5/2016 at 05:34 (2,906 days old) by spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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To be fair to Numatic, I think they've hit upon exactly the right formula for Henry. From a user's perspective, outwardly it's still the same cleaner they are already used to, that functions and performs exactly as they would expect. Any changes over the years have been incremental, to keep the cleaner up to date and address users' wants/needs, but without going so far as to render it unrecognisable from the original.
It worked for the Hoover Junior, Lux Twin Turbo, Kirby and Oreck, to name just a few examples. Lots of revisions "under the hood" with a few styling changes thrown in along the way, yet still essentially the same product when all is said and done. Familiar enough to keep repeat customers happy and coming back for more, but still with something new to offer for those considering the product for the first time. |
Post# 351604 , Reply# 13   5/5/2016 at 10:44 (2,906 days old) by markus79 (Finland)   |   | |
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Funny thing that the price is the same for all three=) I am just wondering when they will add a telescopic wand for these? I would like to get to see this new compact model. This new floor tool is great comparing to old model. |
Post# 351632 , Reply# 14   5/5/2016 at 14:19 (2,905 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Chris I am not being negative, I am being honest, all I will ever be, Numatics obviously sell in large numbers as it is, I just don't understand the reason for Numatic keep modifying a design that has been so successful for years and still is. What next? Move production to china?
Must be new management! I will be getting the compact Henry I think, all though, my observation so far, just going off that picture, it will be a regular Henry motor unit on a James type bucket. I am hoping It is actually smaller all together though. How cute! |
Post# 351643 , Reply# 15   5/5/2016 at 16:08 (2,905 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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If it wasn't for modifying and evolving design, responding to market trends and customer needs, your beloved Hoover Turbomaster would never have existed. That's what ALL products do. Nothing can stay the same forever. If it did, we'd all still be vacuuming with Hoover Model O's, or old crank and bellows manual machines. |
Post# 351645 , Reply# 16   5/5/2016 at 16:18 (2,905 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Numatic have a unique position as with SEBO; they are both commercial brands that deal with both a commercial market and a domestic market. Both brands have recognisable products straddling both markets; a factor that Hoover and Electrolux/et al have not cornered all that well in Europe and UK in my opinion.
Numatic are lucky in the sense that they have the tub market all on their own in terms of supplying both domestic and trade markets with a very reliable and well tested product. Tie in widespread parts availability and brand recognition and it makes absolute sense for particular variants to see upgrades over time. It would be nuts for them to turn back on what has been *and still is, a very successful product. Hence why they have released three different variants of Henry. |
Post# 351647 , Reply# 17   5/5/2016 at 16:24 (2,905 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351648 , Reply# 18   5/5/2016 at 16:36 (2,905 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Id rather have proper tool storage. I can't count the times I have had a single tool ping off the clip around the rubberised belt of the Henry if the hose touches it. The slide in tool storage area mimics what has been done before with other brands, or storers at the rear. Better than trying to find a bag of tools.
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Post# 351671 , Reply# 19   5/5/2016 at 22:28 (2,905 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)   |   | |
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I'm wondering when Numatic is going to redesign Henry and put the motor in the BASE of the unit, so he isn't so top heavy. With the dirt compartment on TOP, it would be easier to empty. Also, he needs to have a bagless insert for those who chose to use such an option. It would be good if he had a built-in turbo dust collector to cut down on bag use. And where is Henry electric floor brush, or OPTION for one? |
Post# 351695 , Reply# 20   5/6/2016 at 03:53 (2,905 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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delaneymeegan, you have to remember that manufacturers will respond to trends in the market. Powernozzle's have never been popular in the UK and probably even less so in mainland Europe where hard floors are more common. There's only a very small number of manufacturers that actually offer a powernozzle here and they're comparably very expensive. I'd guess about 80% of the cylinder market here is straight suction machines and about another 15% turbo brushes. Give or a take.
Whereas compact machines and vacuums with on board tools are big sellers, powernozzle's aren't. So it's only natural that any modifications that Numatic make are tailored to the market dempands that they're aiming at. Don't forget also, as Nar mentioned above, Numatic dominate the commercial market here. You can't walk down a high street and not see one being used in a shop, bank, cafe or office. Lots of schools and hotels use them too. Powernozzle's make the machine heavier to use and it's another part to potentially break. The simpleness of Numatic cleaners is their strongest point. It makes for a more reliable cleaner overall, which is essential in the commercial market and one of the biggest reasons for their successful crossover into the domestic market. Putting the motor underneath would require a complete redesign of a vacuum that has remained largely unchanged but hugely successful since the late 70's. Numatic continue to be the biggest vacuum seller in the UK. Whilst they've made design modifications to keep up with market trends over the years, such as twin speed, HEPA bags and now tool storage, the basic design of the machine has remained very much unchanged and rightly so. Henry inparticular is quite iconic over here, if Numatic were to start changing that, they would risk a decrease in sales. The Numatic brand itself is not well known, but you mention "Henry hoover" to someone and they instantly know what you're talking about, even though Henry is only 1 model out of the whole range. "Also, he needs to have a bagless insert for those who chose to use such an option" Does he really? Why? It wouldn't add to the performance and again is another part to potentially go wrong. Tell me, how many bagless commercial vacuums do you see in the US? Have you ever seen a Dyson or Bissell or something being used in a shop or a hotel or a school? Bagless don't do well in commercial environments and as Numatic are largely a commercial cleaning company, it would be a pointless move. People who want bagless will buy bagless vacuums, although I have to say I have seen an increase in people moving back to bagged vacuums in recent years (thankfully!). |
Post# 351702 , Reply# 21   5/6/2016 at 11:23 (2,905 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)   |   | |
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I think if they took the iconic Henry tub, as he looks now, and rearranged the inside ONLY, people would not care.
A Henry that is easier to empty, who could complain about that? With his bag/dirt chamber on the top, all one would need do is lift it off to empty. No need to first remove a heavy top, put it down, detach the hose, then remove the dirt or bag, then replace everything.
It's true, all canisters should have NON obtrusive tool storage, and I applaud the recent improvements. It could be better though.
As for pns, they should offer the choice to add one by putting a receptacle on the front and offering a pn and electric hose sold separate. It's reasonable to believe that more Henrys will be sold in other places than just the UK. I'm seeing them on Ebay and have considered buying one too, in the U.S.. The lack of a pn is a negative. It isn't a big deal to install a receptacle on the machine. I'm surprised too Henry doesn't have an electric furniture brush. Brits have a lot of stairs and those work great on that.
I wonder how feasible it would be to install a dual voltage motor in these. So all one would need to do is slide a switch to get it to work on 230 or 115 volt. That would streamline manufacturing and make a single Henry usable for more markets. I wish the U.S. and Canada would convert to 230 volt. It's a better system.
Numatic has slapped Henrys face and colors on many versions over the years. It would be foolish to think they are still making the same vacs as they were 30 years ago. The changes haven't been as extreme as say Hoover or Electrolux, but they have changed, and they will no doubt continue to make improvements. Any change has the possibility of losing customer. It also has the chance of greatly increasing customers. Failing to make changes can bring similar results.
I think it's a neat vac and I keep going back and forth about possibly adding one to my collection. I like his simple flex retraction system. Numatic seems like a good company and one Brits, I'm sure, are proud to call their own.
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Post# 351737 , Reply# 22   5/7/2016 at 09:34 (2,904 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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“I think if they took the iconic Henry tub, as he looks now and rearranged the inside ONLY, people would not care.”
Its not about the customer - if the base of the unit fails to cradle a dust bag cleanly and doesn’t impede the suction air flow, why change it? “As for PNs, they should offer the choice by putting a receptacle on the front, offering a PN and electric hose separate. The lack of a PN is a negative, it isn’t a big deal to install a receptacle on the machine…surprised it doesn’t have an electric furniture brush.” Um, because the company aren’t making a solely designed home vacuum here. Its a commercially based vacuum so its simplicity all the way. They would not fit optional this and that only for something else to break off and damage their reputation for solidity. Numatic are a tub vac company and that's what they're known best for worldwide despite other private label appliances that might be processed under the Numatic name. "Numatic has slapped Henrys face and colors on many versions over the years. It would be foolish to think they are still making the same vacs as they were 30 years ago. The changes haven't been as extreme as say Hoover or Electrolux, but they have changed, and they will no doubt continue to make improvements. Any change has the possibility of losing customer. It also has the chance of greatly increasing customers. Failing to make changes can bring similar results." Nope, you're assuming Numatic is the same as Electrolux, Hoover and other DOMESTIC brands. There are very few changes to a Numatic Henry in my opinion sold in the 1980s to the models we see now. Numatic also sell worldwide, and a bit like SEBO use private labels to their machines and models. Some Numatics are not sold with the smiling faces, particularly in the commercial market where bigger capacity models are available. Until you actually get one Delaney you won't really know how much worth a Henry vacuum can provide. It is simplistic cleaning at its core, nothing too fancy and nothing too stylish that will make others coo over the vacuum if they see it. Henry is a great suction vacuum at the end of the day. Buyers won't look on it as a Miele sledge alternative. To ram home the idea that Numatic are more of a commercial vac company, look at these versions. Where are the domestic equivalents from some of the other brands you mention?
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Post# 351747 , Reply# 25   5/7/2016 at 15:07 (2,903 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351761 , Reply# 27   5/7/2016 at 19:29 (2,903 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Numatic could well be making the compact model with a smaller dust bag.
Also in response, or rather to back up with Benny has said, an example of another model I owned springs to mind also by Numatic - the Charles wet and dry model. I owned one for a few years. I adored the power and I appreciated the massive 15 litre dust bag, more so that ONE bag seemed to last a year and a half when used solely as a home vacuum. But oh how I missed the Bowler hat manual cord winder! Again whilst this reiterates that Numatic can make a good vacuum, I didn't half lust over having the hand cord winder instead of having to manually wind up the 10 metre cable after every use with Charles, and like the James vac I also had, Charles also had the awful difficult to remove aluminium tubes compared to Henry's easier stainless steel ones. |
Post# 351780 , Reply# 28   5/8/2016 at 03:04 (2,903 days old) by Tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)   |   | |
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If the Compact is the had the base of a smaller Numatic like the James, would it not have the 'dip' in between the castor wheels? I think that it is a completely different size to the 300 that we are used to using. I may be wrong though. I found a photo of a Henry with a smaller 180 type base. It looks different to the 180 (compact)in the photo of all three vacuums. I have a photo of the James base (and annotations thanks to Snapchat 😂) and also the Henry I found on Google images. (Sorry about the photo of the Henry, I forgot to crop it)
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Post# 351781 , Reply# 29   5/8/2016 at 03:23 (2,903 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351782 , Reply# 30   5/8/2016 at 03:44 (2,903 days old) by Tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 351783 , Reply# 31   5/8/2016 at 04:23 (2,903 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)   |   | |
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So, do we think Henry will ever get a sophisticated remake? Something complete with a variable speed digital read-out on his forehead. Perhaps a gas pump wand with numerous finger-tip controls? A dirt sensor.... on a 2 speed power nozzle?
Now, I'm joking because I know a vacuum should not have electronics in it. It's just silly and a waste. Still, Henry needs to be reshaped so he doesn't take up so much room in Brits limited closet space. Also, Brits have more stairs in their homes, and a vacuum that can't be set on stair steps seems awkward.
I had a Eureka Mighty Mite a while back, and when the hose is removed, it can be set ON END like an Iron, on an upper shelf, with one hand. It was about 50% larger than an iron.
I'm really sensing that Brits like the IDEA, or perhaps the PERCEPTION, of simplicity, at least in regards to vacuums. I emphasize perception because, Numatic is clearly a diversified company with sophisticated marketing. It's not like Numatic has thoughtlessly been making the same models for the last 30+ years. "The trusty brand just trudges on" kind of attitude.
As I said earlier, Henry may still exist after 30 years, which is rare for a company to keep a model that long, at least in the U.S., but he is in name only. He's been redesigned numerous times now. Also, all these other brethren in the gang: James, Charles, Hetty, Rutger, etc. There is slight variations between most. That's marketing. That's creating the illusion of many choices. Hoover, Kenmore, Eureka, and similar U.S. brands have done the same in the past. Not the names of Royalty, but they've attempted to create a hierarchy of sorts.
It's interesting because, in the U.S. we'd see a product company try and make a product seem, and in some cases actually BE, more sophsticated. Numatic has done the opposite. Essentially painting a cartoon face on a product is almost mocking it. In the U.S., I think it would probably be a laughing matter to have such down playing of a product. I think Numatic could compete in the U.S. with the models that don't have the cartoon face on the front. Perhaps, that's why we don't see that many Henrys here.
Frankly, when I look at the Numatic vacs that don't have the cartoon face and name on it, it seems like something I would buy. It really should say "Numatic" on the side, and perhaps have a model number after the name. CLICK HERE TO GO TO delaneymeegan's LINK This post was last edited 05/08/2016 at 04:41 |
Post# 351786 , Reply# 34   5/8/2016 at 06:15 (2,903 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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"Just ugh", is that a technical description, Emma? :P. This post was last edited 05/08/2016 at 11:42 |
Post# 351792 , Reply# 36   5/8/2016 at 07:33 (2,903 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Ahh yes, I forgot about the dip in the front of a James type bucket, well that knocks that idea out of the window, lol.
I can't wait to get a compact, although, seems silly paying the same price for a smaller Henry than just the regular one, but I definitely don't want to miss out on the compact model. I just bought one of the last few Jacks, I will never use it and don't plan to, but it will be a money magnet in years to come. Alex. |
Post# 351800 , Reply# 37   5/8/2016 at 11:41 (2,903 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351803 , Reply# 39   5/8/2016 at 13:34 (2,902 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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"It's interesting because, in the U.S. we'd see a product company try and make a product seem, and in some cases actually BE, more sophsticated."
Our British perception of simplicity has changed over the years due to constant American influence. Small fridge freezers have become big large walk in styles that take up so much space, most home owners shift them to the conservatory. Televisions are now wall mounted as seen on TV from American reality TV programmes. "...Essentially painting a cartoon face on a product is almost mocking it. In the U.S., I think it would probably be a laughing matter to have such down playing of a product. I think Numatic could compete in the U.S. with the models that don't have the cartoon face on the front. Perhaps, that's why we don't see that many Henrys here. Frankly, when I look at the Numatic vacs that don't have the cartoon face and name on it, it seems like something I would buy. It really should say "Numatic" on the side, and perhaps have a model number after the name..." Oh how little you know. Nacecare sold this model. Recognise it by any chance? A fair few were sold in the U.S quite a few years ago. And currently Numatic Henry vacs have removable features. So you can have the face on it or not.
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Post# 351806 , Reply# 40   5/8/2016 at 14:03 (2,902 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)   |   | |
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Sorry i didn't realise. I would remove my second post but unfortunately I can't. Maybe I shouldn't be so prissy next time lol. This post was last edited 05/08/2016 at 15:45 |
Post# 351809 , Reply# 41   5/8/2016 at 15:53 (2,902 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)   |   | |
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On aboard tool storage is necessary, really for any vac. It needs to be Non-obtrusive though.
Henry's are obtrusive and it isn't all the tools. Non-obtrusive means the tools are not easily knocked off the vac and they are in a compartment or in form fitting recessed areas. We had vacuums with obtrusive parts holders in the 1970s on vacs like Kenmore, Eureka, and Hoover Celebrity. Its annoying when the parts fall off and stick up.
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Post# 351815 , Reply# 42   5/8/2016 at 16:39 (2,902 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Tellingly when I asked SEBO why they don't return to hiding tools under a flap on their cylinder vacs, it is is because of the way lids tend to fall off if the vacuum loses balance etc.
Frankly I dont mind the tools at the back of the Henry. Vax have also done something similar with their canister tubs in providing slots but it seems Numatic have gone one better in providing partitions within the added plastic body to cradle the two tools. The three slots on my Vax tub will stay put unless the hose brushes past and they sometimes get knocked off. However, they're on board, they're open and able to be picked at in an instance but they also look as if they would stay on, if say Henry toppled over. Time will tell of course when people start to buy these new Numatics. At the moment I use the long crevice tool and pull down dust brush that came with my Vax Cordless Air on my Vax tub. That way I can use another slot to slide in the adaptor cuff and mount a mini turbo brush on the side. |
Post# 351816 , Reply# 43   5/8/2016 at 16:40 (2,902 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 351822 , Reply# 45   5/8/2016 at 17:47 (2,902 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The other thing is though Numatic vacs are very versatile and adaptable. They use 32mm fittings so you can use any other attachment from another brand. I liked using my Electrolux pet hair tool with the risor visor with the Numatic as well as having to upgrade to a Nilfisk 32mm floor head (Wessel Werk) because it had a metal sole plate against the plastic job that Numatic supplied.
The other thing is, well its not as if Numatic's vacs all use different bags -they all fit other models in the Numatic family, so it keeps things simple. That can't be said for other brands who all supply dust bags for their different models but then change the cartridge design accordingly as per model. Same with filters for bagless vacs - not many are interchangeable with other models from the same brand. |
Post# 351824 , Reply# 46   5/8/2016 at 17:59 (2,902 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)   |   | |
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I was talking about post #40. |
Post# 351856 , Reply# 48   5/9/2016 at 06:17 (2,902 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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In Canada, Numatic sells a nice green Harry with a power nozzle. Here's the link from McHardy Vacuum in London (!!!!), Ontario:
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