Thread Number: 31723
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Sirena vs ??? - Please Advice |
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Post# 350297 , Reply# 1   4/14/2016 at 12:03 (2,905 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 350299 , Reply# 2   4/14/2016 at 12:43 (2,905 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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I would recommend that you look at the Simplicity Wonder and the Riccar Prima as alternatives. You really don't have to spend $900+ to get a quality vacuum. |
Post# 350300 , Reply# 3   4/14/2016 at 12:44 (2,905 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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Dysonman1 would tell you the differences of the sirena to the rainbow. Another thing on dysons is that they are guaranteed to Scratch hardwood floors because they use plastic wheels. I would recommend a canister that have rubber wheels although I don't know which ones have them because I don't pay attention to canister vacuums.
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Post# 350358 , Reply# 9   4/15/2016 at 12:06 (2,904 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)   |   | |
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Post# 350364 , Reply# 10   4/15/2016 at 12:48 (2,904 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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The Riccar Prima is an awesome, powerful, light weight vacuum with an exceptional hard wood floor attachment as well as the perfect flip over Dusting Brush/Upholstery Nozzle combination. Hepa bags are NOT expensive and the Hepa exhaust filter give a one/two punch to keep any dust in the machine, and not in your air. The bags are self sealing, so you touch no dirt, breath no dirt, and see no dirt when emptying. The very quiet motor is a pleasure to use, and the variable speed motor means you won't inhale the drapes or throw rugs when cleaning them. You cannot go wrong with the Prima. I've personally sold over a hundred of them to people from all over the country who visit the Vacuum Cleaner Museum/Factory Outlet Store.
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Post# 350448 , Reply# 12   4/16/2016 at 16:22 (2,903 days old) by brooklynbrook ()   |   | |
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I'd go with Riccar Prima, but I'm uncertain because of its emptiness on amazon, ebay, etc. Is it only riccar.com where you can get it? What if there website go down in a few months, where do I buy the vacuum bags? |
Post# 350453 , Reply# 13   4/16/2016 at 17:39 (2,903 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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Is only sold at independent dealer stores, you cannot get them at any other website except only at riccar or simplicity's website. You can look at the "find dealer" tab on the website to see where you can get them at. You can still get bags on some websites or just at your local dealer store, I get mine at amazon.
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Post# 350534 , Reply# 15   4/17/2016 at 21:37 (2,902 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)   |   | |
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Post# 350557 , Reply# 16   4/18/2016 at 07:50 (2,901 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Post# 350559 , Reply# 17   4/18/2016 at 09:47 (2,901 days old) by brooklynbrook ()   |   | |
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@n0oxy: thanks for the recommendation. Going to a local dealer later this week. Let's see what's gonna be the price here in Brooklyn. |
Post# 350626 , Reply# 18   4/18/2016 at 20:14 (2,901 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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"The bags are self sealing, so you touch no dirt, breath no dirt, and see no dirt when emptying."
"Not an aerus first. The sealed self contained 14 layer hepa bag in a canister cleaner was invented and perfected by Air-Way in 1937 with the model 55." Not so fast there! You know Andy was referring to the self sealing qualities of the Electrolux Type C bag, not it's filtration. And even if he was referring to the bag's filtration, by the time the 4 ply bags came out in 1955, the Electrolux bags had an advantage over Air Way bags, since the bags not only filtered as well as the Air Way bag but it was also self sealing. And you know perfectly well you borrowed that saying for the Electrolux bags to describe the Riccar Prima bags....after all, you already have said the cordreel design for the Prima & Wonder was inspired by the Electrolux 1205, so why not borrow their saying for the bags. And one other thing....the Air Way bag is perfect eh? Hmm, so much so that other collectors have said those bags tend to clog prematurely, & you yourself have suggested a few times using a Riccar/Simplicity Type F HEPA bag for the 8 lb upright & a Air Way bag top as a substitute for the Air Way paper bags. If the bag was REALLY perfect, other manufacturers would have copied it long by now, the fact they haven't is proof the design left much to be desired. Rob |
Post# 350631 , Reply# 19   4/18/2016 at 21:08 (2,901 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)   |   | |
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Post# 350875 , Reply# 20   4/23/2016 at 11:50 (2,896 days old) by Brooklynbrook ()   |   | |
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Hey guys, I'm currently in the store and they suggest to get Miele C3 instead of Prima. What do you think? The argument is that some parts of Prima are made in China versus Germany-made Miele. |
Post# 350877 , Reply# 21   4/23/2016 at 12:28 (2,896 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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The problem with miele is they are very expensive, you can get the prima for half the price off compare to the C3. Parts are also very expensive to get for the miele for example: If you need a new brushroll for the miele, I hear they are over $100 to replace and I hear rebuilding thr prima's brushroll is like about $20. Attachments for the miele I hear is twice as expensive compare to prima's attachments. And also I hear when you order parts from miele if they are not in stock in the U.S, they take like 3-5 weeks or a month for a part to get here. My vacuum store has a miele in for repair right now that's been sitting for weeks because that part hasn't come in yet and there was one miele before that had been sitting for like almost 2 months that they ended up buying a new vacuum because they were tired of waiting. Riccar/Simplicity parts are alot more cheaper and much faster to get, took me like a week to get parts for my Simplicity. Last I did hear that some miele parts are also made in china as well but that one I don't know if it's fully true. Yes some parts for the prima are made in china but it only like a few of them but everything else is molded and assembled in the U.S
Miele is still a great machine all around but I highly suggest to get the prima instead. |
Post# 350880 , Reply# 22   4/23/2016 at 12:54 (2,896 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Don't fall for it! The salesman you are dealing with must be a idiot to say "some" parts of the Riccar Prima are Chinese made....it's ALL made in China, with exception of the powerhead.
As for Miele being German made & that supposedly being an advantage? Well, what your salesman WON'T tell you so easily is that Miele's discontinued designs are sent to be produced in China afterwards. There is currently a couple of S4 models & a S5 model (predecessor to the C3 series) presently being produced in China. So, if they are willing to do that, what would stop them from producing components in China & importing them to Germany for current vacuums? So much for that supposed German made advantage! And also when they state "We produce all the important components in our own factories"....oh really?! Hmm, last time I checked, their powerheads, floor brushes & carpet nozzles are made by Wessell Werk, the hoses are made by Plastiflex, the canister motor is made by Domel, & their bags & filters are produced by BranoFilter, a company that supplies most European vacuum manufacturers. So much for all those "important components" being made by Miele eh?! I previously owned 2 Miele vacuums, a 2004 Miele S558 Red Velvet with the SEB236 powerhead, & a 2002 Miele S538 Monte Verde with the SEB217 powerhead. The Miele Red Velvet was a total nightmare! The powerhead neck wiring broke TWICE within a span of 5 months, the second neck had been used maybe 7 or 8 times before it broke again. At that point I jury rigged the damn thing & bought a spare wand to use with the floor brush. The final straw a couple of years later came when the cordreel went & the local shop wanted nearly $200 plus tax for a new one, at that point it got pitched! In contrast, I have owned a Shark Professional EP754 canister, a $260 Chinese made Miele knockoff sold in Canadian Tire, for nearly 7 years now. Not ONCE has this Chinese made cheapie ever broken down with those same problems! I can honestly say it made this $1800 dollar Miele Red Velvet look like a joke in comparison. Now, bear this in mind....the Riccar Prima & this Shark Professional vacuum are both produced by KingClean in China, under contract to their respective companies. Go ahead & do some digging around....the powerhead necks are VERY similar....and notice that the Riccar 1500P, a previous model, used the exact same hose handle the Shark did. And the tools used on previous Riccar & Simplicity models, such as the Simplicity Jill, Riccar Sunburst, Simplicity Jack, Riccar Moonlight, Simplicity Cinch, Simplicity Verve & Riccar Pristine, those are all the same tools used in other vacuums produced by KingClean for other companies....the Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Edition canister & a Dirt Devil Jaguar canister being a couple of examples here. And one important point here about filtration. Your salesman may have told you, or you may have heard it from others, that Miele has a better filtration system. Yes, it's true. BUT what your salesman won't tell you is that Miele is cheating in comparison to other European & Asian vacuum companies. For one, the Miele bags are overbuilt in comparison to other companies bags, they are 9 ply bags whereas most other bags are 5 ply. And in addition, a couple of years ago, the European EN1822 HEPA Filtation standard was changed, from 99.97% @ 0.03 micron efficiency, to 99.97% @ 0.02 micron efficiency - Miele is meeting this new HEPA Filtration standard for their HEPA filters, whereas everyone else is meeting the old standard. So ya sure, Miele is technically better at filtration, but let's face it - is that REALLY going to make a difference to most allergy suffers? No. You can live with the old HEPA Filtration standard the Riccar Prima meets & be perfectly fine. If I was you, go ahead & tell this Miele salesman to take his opinion & stuff it, & buy the Riccar Prima. If a $260 Chinese made Miele copy can outlast a Miele & clean just as well, I certainly wouldn't buy a Miele! It's obvious to me the ONLY reason this asshole wants you to buy Miele is he makes more profit off Miele than he does Riccar. Best of luck to you. Rob
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Post# 350882 , Reply# 23   4/23/2016 at 13:08 (2,896 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 350883 , Reply# 24   4/23/2016 at 13:16 (2,896 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Andrew, You will be sorry if you buy the Miele. Not only will you pay double what it's worth, but like Alex said you could wait several weeks to get parts for it.
The Riccar Prima is a Quality machine throughout. Even though they are primarily made in China, each machine is disassembled, inspected for quality materials and workmanship and reassembled at the Tacony plant in Missouri. Each machine must meet the same high quality standards as Tacony's top of the line models which are completely made in the U.S.
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Post# 350885 , Reply# 26   4/23/2016 at 13:55 (2,896 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Andrew
See, did I not just say above that the dealer is pushing Miele because he makes more profit on it? You just proved it! The guy is pushing Miele because that's his main bread & butter & carries a higher profit margin, heck he has even built his whole store around the brand! So why would you continue to believe ANYTHING this sleazy con artist is telling you when he is telling you the truth about only ONE brand, the one he makes more profit on? He doesn't want a informed consumer & a happy customer, he just wants his sleazy quick buck & move on to the next sucker. Go ahead & get the Miele if you like. But be warned, you WILL have problems with it, & you WILL regret your purchase! And like Alex said above, don't be surprised if you have long waits in the repair shop for parts. There are other brands that offer the same quality, & better value for money, than Miele. Even if you don't buy Riccar or Simplicity. Rob |
Post# 350964 , Reply# 29   4/25/2016 at 10:33 (2,894 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Andrew - rather than picking out a vacuum for your wife, why don't you let her pick now that you've done the research and can help guide her? If she's going to use it, it's best to make sure she likes it. Best of luck. |
Post# 350974 , Reply# 30   4/25/2016 at 14:37 (2,894 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 350983 , Reply# 31   4/25/2016 at 15:13 (2,894 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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Very good advice from Alex, "panasonicvac". Test drive before you buy.
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Post# 351130 , Reply# 32   4/27/2016 at 20:42 (2,892 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)   |   | |
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Go for the Prima!!! Parts are very easy to get because the Tacony factory is in the U.S. The machine was designed and engineered in the U.S. If by some off the wall chance an elbow broke on the power head, it won't cost you $100+ plus like it would on the Meile and I've heard the Miele elbows do break easy. Miele parts and tools and amazingly costly!!
The Prima is whisper quiet, Class A filtration, the bags do self seal-- I've seen with the fancy plastic closure system, and excellent HEPA grade. The wheels are soft gel base off what is on roller blades. Really a cool design!! You and your wife will be impressed, but take her along to test drive it at the store too! |