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Confused? Windtunnel Supreme VS Lindhaus Activa 30
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Post# 349365   4/2/2016 at 22:20 (2,916 days old) by Hoover78 (dallas tx)        

Guys.. Just did a VS test and I'm suprised! The Lindhaus has a solid reputation for being the best vacuum in the world? Ok vacuumed my thick plush carpet with the Lindhaus (new bag) the followed up with the windtunnel supreme (new hepa bag).. Original plastic brushroll and was suprised that the windtunnel picked up about a 1/4 cup of fragrance granules that I had spread around? The Lindhaus is supposed to have superb agitation with 5000 rpm.. Windtunnel had just regular belt..
So just confused? Which do you guys think is the better deep cleaner? Traditional Hoover windtunnel supreme or the Lindhaus activa?


Post# 349389 , Reply# 1   4/3/2016 at 07:15 (2,916 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Is there a manual height adjustment on both vacuums? What settings did you put them at?

Post# 349392 , Reply# 2   4/3/2016 at 07:37 (2,916 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Perhaps just another case of the last vacuum run wins?

Post# 349397 , Reply# 3   4/3/2016 at 10:07 (2,915 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lindhaus...

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 "The Lindhaus has a solid reputation for being the best vacuum in the world?"

 

Who says?


Post# 349408 , Reply# 4   4/3/2016 at 11:06 (2,915 days old) by hoover78 (dallas tx)        
the website and the guy at the vacuum shop.. LOL

I know.. its just a sales pitch.. so I obviously fell for it...

Post# 349412 , Reply# 5   4/3/2016 at 11:28 (2,915 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"I obviously fell for it"

Not so fast. If the Lindhaus can manage surfaces that your Windtunnel Supreme can't, then perhaps the model is worth looking into. But bear in mind you're also comparing a commercial vacuum with a domestic market vacuum; the two are not the same, even though they're a vacuum cleaner at the end of the day.


Post# 349413 , Reply# 6   4/3/2016 at 12:04 (2,915 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
The problem

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With the Activa is it's airflow, while it does have a very efficient brushroll it's airflow is really lacking, it wouldn't even register on my baird meter, a bagged windtunnel can typically manage 7-8/10. The best cleaning upright from lindhaus is probably the healthcare pro or valzer.

Post# 349418 , Reply# 7   4/3/2016 at 13:13 (2,915 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I have often found that domestic vacuums can out perform commercial machines. I remember when I owned my carpet cleaning business I got a mouthful from a customer who after we had dry cleaned her carpets Using Sebo G1 and x4 she vacuumed afterwards with her Bissell and it pulled out bin after bin of powder. It was so bad I bought one and tested it against my sebos and it did clean better.

The reason is that commercial machines are designed for longevity meaning less powerful motors as the lower the power the longer the motor lasts while domestic vacuums are designed for instant power to impress.


Post# 349426 , Reply# 8   4/3/2016 at 15:00 (2,915 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

When Consumer Reports tested the Lindhaus Aptiva, I was surprised by how bad the results were. The Miele non-Eco uprights and Sebo Felix models have done well in Consumer Reports testing.

Post# 349428 , Reply# 9   4/3/2016 at 15:34 (2,915 days old) by Hoover78 (dallas tx)        
Bad results

Funny you say that because I've noticed I do have to over a couple of spots the same time over to pick up small particles or crumbs which is mind boggling to me
With the windtunnel I can usual pick up small stuff in one pass. And it just seems the windtunnel has way more suction and airflow especially using the hepa Y cloth bags


Post# 349431 , Reply# 10   4/3/2016 at 16:40 (2,915 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I managed to ruin a carpet with a cheap DIrt Devil bagless upright. The beater bar and brushes combined were so abrasive that it left the carpet looking bare. I haven't made that mistake again - any upright vacuum I buy I research the brush rolls carefully but for the most part, the average market uprights designed for domestic homes tend to have abrasive brush rolls.

Post# 349456 , Reply# 11   4/3/2016 at 20:17 (2,915 days old) by Eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Though some may see it as a sales gimmick, I think that those segregated WindTunnel suction channels actually do improve dirt pick-up by sucking up dirt that is flung forward by the backstroke of the brushroll bristle strips. For what it's worth, all WindTunnel upright vacs tested by Consumer Reports over the years have earned either a Very Good or Excellent rating for cleaning of medium pile carpet. The Sebos and Lindhaus's never seem to achieve that carpet cleaning score....as much as I prefer their external look and sleek design and their ingenious brush roll removal system. Even a cheap Hoover Tempo with WindTunnel channels seems to pick up better than the Sebos/Lindhaus's/Windsors.

Post# 349457 , Reply# 12   4/3/2016 at 20:27 (2,915 days old) by Eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Addendum: the only Sebo upright that has earned a "recommended" tag from Consumer Reports is the Sebo Felix. It scored a Very Good in cleaning medium pile carpet.....equal to the Hoover Self Propelled Anniversary WindTunnel.

Post# 349464 , Reply# 13   4/3/2016 at 22:18 (2,915 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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And yet the Felix gets a Best Buy from Which UK as well as being high on carpet performance and pet hair. Just goes to show that each country is different with testing and though Hoover's Windtunnel Supreme may be available in U.S and Canada, SEBO at least enjoys worldwide accessibility as a brand. I would even suggest so does Lindhaus.



Post# 349465 , Reply# 14   4/3/2016 at 22:22 (2,915 days old) by Hoover78 (dallas tx)        
"Picks up more dirt than any other clean air upright"

As the old Hoover windtunnel commercials used to state, and I truly believe it. That windtunnel technology is no joke. 🌪

Post# 349467 , Reply# 15   4/3/2016 at 23:30 (2,915 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
To think a Windtunnel isn't good??

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The Windtunnels may not be high echelon in price or the best warranty of the business or made of all metal but they do perform very well in their purpose of carpet cleaning!

I'm not a big believer of all of Consumer Reports testing but for what it's worth the Windtunnels have been Best Buys, continuously receiving Very Good and Excellent in cleaning categories on their testing. Airflow is very powerful, agitation is good and the channels along the front and rear of the housing do a good job to help prevent the brush roll from carrying dirt back down into the rug.


Post# 349527 , Reply# 16   4/4/2016 at 19:20 (2,914 days old) by Hoover78 (dallas tx)        
I agree

The windtunnel was the second "clean air" upright 18 years after the dial a matic... And I believe it could be the best carpet cleaning upright Hoover has made thus far. But the original windtunnel design, is the best.. I think they went down hill with the t-series and of course all the bag less garbage on the market today

Post# 349536 , Reply# 17   4/4/2016 at 22:04 (2,914 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Im not sure if our Vax version of the Cordless Air has Windtunnel design. It does appear to have dual suction channels whereby there's a secondary tunnel that's actually removable to clean behind should anything get clogged. This is sandwiched within the hood of the Cordless Air where the brush bar sits. I have noticed better pick up with this dual suction channel.

But then I also find the bin canister fills up far more than any other stick vac I've owned.


Post# 349569 , Reply# 18   4/5/2016 at 10:19 (2,913 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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My Windtunnel Air has 3 suction channels inside the cleaning head.


Post# 349619 , Reply# 19   4/5/2016 at 21:54 (2,913 days old) by Eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Indeed Nar ....it sounds like your Vax has the patented Hoover WindTunnel brush chamber. It's basically a thin suction channel that goes over the brush roll to bring strong suction to a ledge on the front edge of the cleaner. This picks up dirt that has been flung forward by the spinning brush roll. It actually works quite well. You just have to clean the channel every so often as it can easily get clogged because it's so thin.

I think the design of the very first WT brush roll enclosure also creates a third pathway behind the brush roll, if I remember correctly. I can't remember but again, it basically adds another intensified suction path in the chamber. I'm sure if you search for WindTunnel maintenance on YouTube, you'll see what the channels look like when needing cleaning.


Post# 349684 , Reply# 20   4/6/2016 at 21:11 (2,912 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Yes, Hoover's new descriptions are weird! Some are marked 2 channel and some are marked 3 channel. I think the ones marked 3 channel are the original Windtunnel design and the ones marked 2 channel are more of a gimmick and just using the name Windtunnel!!!

The original Windtunnel design had the same inlet as a normal upright with air flow leading to the housing. BUT, it added ducts along the front and rear of the entire agitator cavity to capture dirt into those air directs off of the brush roll to further prevent the brush roll from carrying dirt back down into the rug. In taking apart the nozzle, it is very easy to remove a the large duct and give a cleaning on occasion.

In the homes of the ultra filthy and consumers who let their machines clog up, these Windtunnel ducts can collect a mass of dirt over time. But in households that are maintained as should be with vacuuming at least every 2 weeks and bags not overstuffed, the channels will collect dust but should not fill up!


Post# 349738 , Reply# 21   4/7/2016 at 12:02 (2,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ah I just looked at the brush roll floor head cover - and I forgot it says Windtunnel on the side corner lol. However I do find the Cordless Air picks up a lot more dirt from the floor head than from the hose. The clear floor head gets dirty all of the time which is a shame but more so the Windtunnel insert strip that often needs to be unscrewed, taken off and wiped before installing again. One of the downsides I suppose to having a modern bagless cordless vac that uses clear floor head covers.

Post# 349771 , Reply# 22   4/8/2016 at 07:21 (2,911 days old) by Eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Yes...any clear plastic used for vacuum parts that will touch dirt get cloudy really fast: bagless dust bins, clear hoses, clear mini turbo tools, clear brush roll chambers. I always gave the brush roll cavity in our our top-rated Hoover WindTunnel Ultra Self-Propelled a good wet wipedown whenever changing the bag and checking the brushroll. The WindTunnel segregated suction channel was accessible after removing one or two screws if I remember correctly.


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