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Post# 346508   3/6/2016 at 13:08 (2,966 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        

So, I was at st. Louis's yearly home and garden show, and of course I wanted to check out the vacuum exhibitors that were there, Aerus was there, along with Beam and a Vacuflo dealer.
I was somewhat interested in one of the vacuflo models, the maxum 7, it's there top of the line 120 volt bagged model. He actually had one there, and I probably could have gotten a good price on it, but it was lacking one feature that was a deal breaker for me. Since my central vacuum units are in an apartment, I don't use pipes in the walls or wires. Most central vacuum units have a switch on them to turn the unit on and off without using the wires, but this one didn't. I actually have one unit that does not have this, the vacumaid SR 800, and the wires dangling from it are a real pain, after dealing with that, I decided I would not get any other units unloess they had a manual switch on them. Also, he didn't even have a hose with him so I could test the suction, that's kind of unprepared. If you want to sell a product, you need to be prepared to show it off. Also, I think he was giving incorrect information to people. He was basically telling them that while electric power heads were available, they mainly promoted the air driven nozzles. I think this is totally opposite of how carpet cleaning nozzles should be suggested. The main disadvantage of an electric power nozzle is the extra cost for the nozzle and the electric hose, but after that, there is nothing but advantages. Electric nozzles are quieter, and they don't rob your vacuum of air flow to spin the turbine. With turbine nozzles, everything you vacuum goes through the turbine, so they are much more prone to clog. I did actually tell one person that electric nozzles are actually better, and I really think that's the case.
At the beam booth, they had several of their power units, and the new alliance series is quite interesting, it's very quiet, and there are buttons on the hose to do things like change motor speed. What concerns me about these units is that with the extra features comes circuit boards that may go out, and of course you need special hoses for the new features to work. I did try out one of their new power nozzles and ended up vacuuming all of the carpet in the booth, kind of fun.
Now on to the Aerus booth. I know the Guardian Platinum has been mentioned on here, and this was the first time I got to see one. It's a very nice vacuum, they were selling them for $1300, is that a good price? Apparently this vacuum is actually made by the European electrolux company, the company that Aerus sold the Electrolux name back to. It was a very quiet vacuum, there were a couple things I didn't like about it though. First, the hose end is nonstandard, although the person there said that there was an adapter to allow you to use standard attachments. The second thing was the power nozzle connection. Most electric hoses have a standard two prong female outlet where the wand connector, or an electric cord can go. This allows you to use other power nozzles than what is included if you wish. With the Guardian, it looked like the connector was actually inside the hose end some place. This would make it impossible to use universal power heads with this vacuum such as the Sebo or Lindhaus models. While I was tempted to get one, I chose not to, also because I also have an Aerus classic which they were selling there for $700. So, for those who have the guardian platinum, do you think it's a good vacuum? Is it worth the price? Is it better than a top of the line Sebo, Tacony or Miele canister?


Post# 346553 , Reply# 1   3/6/2016 at 21:37 (2,966 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I love Vacuflo central vacuums, they are really powerful. I haven't used the new bagged models but I hear really good reviews about them. I'm not a huge fan of their filtered cyclonic units. My favorite are the true cyclonic units, I would recommend them over a vacumaid for much longer warranty and I like how they use a clear plastic bin for emptying (vacumiad's bins do rust overtime because they are metal).
I own a Beam unit and I really like it, the only thing I don't like about these is I HATE emptying them. I would say they are the messiest type of central vacuums to clean out, it's so bad that I had to take a shower every time I empty mine and most of my neighbors that have a beam as well (even tho I am emptying them correctly). The hoses for beam, yeah you're right that they're fun to use but yes I did hear from a central vacuum buddy of mine that they do wear out which sometimes causes the vacuum to not turn on or such. I would recommend a much more classic beam electric kit that would last a lot longer. The best kit I have ever used on a central vacuum is a Stealth from MD which is made by Lindhaus and it will be next kit to use once my old electric kit wears out.


Post# 346597 , Reply# 2   3/7/2016 at 09:45 (2,965 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
vacuflo and beam

I would avoid any bagless vacuum, any of them will be messy to empty, I would think that the beam would be just as messy as the vacuflo since they're both bagless. I have a beam unit, but I got an adapter to convert it to use bags, best thing I could do for it.

Post# 346623 , Reply# 3   3/7/2016 at 12:13 (2,965 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I have the Vacuflo central vacuum (plus 2 wally flex units, a Vroom, and a Vac Pan) in my home. I use the Riccar central vac hose (35 foot) and Premium Power Nozzle with my ElectraValves. There is no filter on my Vacuflo, and it's not a mess at all to empty. I empty it twice a year.

I also have the Electrolux Guardian Platinum. LOVE IT. Quiet and efficient, excellent filtration with the cloth HEPA bags. It comes with an adapter to use other inch and a quarter tools (but not other power nozzles). The Lux power head cleans very well - no reason to use any other power nozzle on it. In the picture is my Guardian Platinum, the day I got it, being used at the Vacuum Cleaner Museum.



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Post# 346625 , Reply# 4   3/7/2016 at 12:40 (2,965 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Beam, etc., Bagless;

There is no need for a bag if the unit is vented to the outside. All pet odors go out. Who wants to mess with smelly bags?
I've had mine over twenty years. I empty it every other month, and brush off the weighted polyester filter. No bags to buy.
It's a personal preference, and some models can use bags or not.


Post# 346649 , Reply# 5   3/7/2016 at 15:04 (2,965 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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My Vacuflo is vented outside, even has a 'cherry bomb' car muffler in the exhaust line. My unit is the commercial one with two 7.2 inch motors. It was designed to use three hoses at once, to clean a cathedral, or school, or theater. There's no bag OR filter. I cleaned out the fireplace once, just to see how well the "Hide A Hose" would handle the dust (sixty foot long Hide A Hose). It handled it like a champ. The cyclone spins the dust into the huge metal bucket (16 gallons), which I empty twice a year.

Post# 346654 , Reply# 6   3/7/2016 at 16:16 (2,965 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Vacuflo

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I agree that these units are NOT messy to empty, same thing with Vacumaid's one piece unit that has the same cyclonic design that Vacuflo has. It feels like that I just emptied a bag from a bagged vacuum with no dirt on my hands or just a tiny bit. I will say that Vacuflo would be like the ONLY bagless vacuum that I can ever stand using and it might be the best bagless vacuum I have ever used. If I were to get a bagless central vacuum, Vacuflo would be my main choice. But I'm still wanting to go with a bagged central vacuum in the future which would be a MD Silentmaster.

Down below is my Grandpa's Vacumaid P-125 he's had since 1982 when the house was built. Only changed the motor on this once which was a few years ago. If only Vacumaid would still make the same green color like this one and with the old decal logo as well, I would want that as my main central vacuum choice of all time over a Silentmaster, Vacuflo, or Aerus Centralux.


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Post# 346657 , Reply# 7   3/7/2016 at 16:34 (2,965 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington, NC)        

Neat picture Panasonicvac! I loved the old puke green units and have the same from 1992 in a beigy-bronze color. Runs like a champ!
VacuMaid since about 1992 or so has dirt buckets with what VM calls the "air-channel" which allows the use of a plastic liner. I bought a new bucket a year ago and it really works. Before that I just used a kitchen trash bag and slowly poured in the dirt. Never much mess, either. Even as a child, emptying our vintage VM was never a problem. Greg


Post# 346683 , Reply# 8   3/7/2016 at 21:13 (2,965 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
emptying bagless units

My beam unit, before I converted it to use bags was a total mess to empty, and despite what they say about that filter cleaning itself, it doesn't, dirt and dust stick to it. It's so much better as a bagged unit. I've heard that cleaning the screen on those filterless models can be difficult, but it sounds like you have mastered it. If you are looking for a good central vacuum that takes bags only, here are some good ones. The silent master is good, but a bit expensive. Here is a bagged model made by Aspria Systems. I have this model and think it's great. it uses the Ametek 6.6 inch bypass motor, quite powerful.
www.aspria.systems/power-units/al...
And here is a bagged model that uses the Ametek 8.4 inch bypass motor, I have a vacumaid model that uses this motor, it's awesome.
www.centralvacuumstores.com/centr...
The guardian platinum sounds awesome, but I don't think I would want it if I can't use other power nozzles. The hose design apparently is similar to a tristar, it doesn't have the standard two prong female connector.


Post# 346689 , Reply# 9   3/7/2016 at 23:21 (2,965 days old) by Bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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I've had a VacuFlo 566Q for 10 years now and I can't say enough great things about it! Not only is it quiet but it has amazing power! I upgraded from the horrible 14 inch Lindhaus power nozzle to the Riccar/Centec power nozzle and hose last year and it cleans amazingly well. The Riccar nozzle has a nice headlight, a metal base plate, and its height adjustment is fantastic. The Lindhaus nozzle was well made but the Centec nozzle cleans circles around it, as far as I'm concerned the Lindhaus nozzle is over priced with a worthless cleaning ability!

As far as emptying the unit, I do it 2 to 3 times a year. The unit is located in the basement and I simply remove the collection bucket from the unit, cover with a kitchen trash bag, bring it outside, flip it over gently and leave it for a few minutes for the dirt to settle before I lift it up. If you do it the right way you never come in contact with the dust! I've been doing it this way since I bought the unit and it's worked every time. To clean the screen inside the unit I just use an Electrolux canister with one extension wand and vacuum it out. The whole process takes maybe 15 minutes. Once a year I wash out the bin with some Lysol or a diluted bleach mixture and let it sit in the sun for a short amount of time to dry out. I chose the VacuFlo because I didn't want to deal with bags due to having a large dog at the time and I wanted something that didn't loose suction. The VacuFlo has met and far exceeded my expectations and the ability to clean anything and everything in the house with the system while truly making my living space cleaner has made it worth every penny I paid for it and much more!


Post# 346702 , Reply# 10   3/8/2016 at 02:37 (2,965 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I don't like bagless central units from one that my Mom had-it was a bagless NuTone.Hated the thing-when I came to her house to visit-my first job was to empty the NuTone vacuum.At that time there were few homes near hers.the lot out back was unused.so I just emptied the dust bin there and shook out the pleated filter against a tree.Afterward had to take a shower-I felt like that "Pigpen" charactor on the Peanuts cartoons.Emptying several gallons of dirt is no fun.and if you empty your dirt bin into a trash bag-why not have the machine put the dirt into a bag for you in the first place?the MD Silentmaster unit I have is being used "freestanding" as a giant canister vacuum.The 35Ft powered hose reaches to where I need it to go.I have the Stealth Lindhaus powernozzle or I can use the ET1 Sebo powernozzle from my Sebo canisters.Simply bought the "adaptor" wand so I can use it with the Silentmaster.Do like the Sebo powernozzle better.But having both is sort of fun.Bought the Stealh kit as a demo-the price was good.So far the 12Gal Filtrete bag has lasted 3 mo.In reality-the Kirby Avalir connected to the Stealth makes the BEST powernozzle!A real fun "Monster Vac"Or I could pair the Kirby to my NSS M1 as another "Monster Vac"Either work well.

Post# 346717 , Reply# 11   3/8/2016 at 07:37 (2,964 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Rex,

Why would you empty it into the air? It blew back in your hair, etc.

Post# 346726 , Reply# 12   3/8/2016 at 09:32 (2,964 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Lindhaus power nozzle

Interesting that you don't like the Lindhaus power nozzle. I use it to clean my area rugs, works well. I also have the Wessel Werk ebk 340 and Sebo ET2, I only need to get the universal Ricccar power nozzle to complete my power nozzle collection.

Post# 346740 , Reply# 13   3/8/2016 at 12:22 (2,964 days old) by blknblu (CT)        

I have the Stealth Pro (rebadged Lindhaus PB-14).

I love it. I have used it with my Electrolux canisters  as well.

The Stealth Pro does not have the push button for the brush roll to come out. Other than that, they are similar.

They are a very quiet power nozzle, and well constructed.

I lucked out and got mine for less than $75 - wands included:)

 

 


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Post# 346781 , Reply# 14   3/8/2016 at 19:56 (2,964 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
lindhaus nozzle

Mine is called the pb14 pro, apparently it's a slight upgrade from the regular pb14, the brush roll can be removed without tools and some parts are metal instead of plastic. Apparently they also make a 17 inch version, I bet that's huge. This nozzle should work on any vacuum with an electric hose that uses the two prong female connector, that's one thing that made me lose interest in the guardian platinum, the electric connector is different, so other power nozzles will not work. Today I ordered the Riccar universal power nozzle, this will complete my power nozzle collection. I really wish there was a universal version of the Wessel Werk ebk 360, but there is no pig tail version that I'm aware of. Wish someone could create an adapter, similar to what Sebo makes for their power head. The adapter goes in to the power head and mates with the connector, you then connect the pig tail cord to your electric hose. When I was at the show last weekend, I did take a look at the new beam hoses, they use kind of a square hose end, there is an adapter that will convert that to use round attachments, but again, it doesn't use a standard electric connector.

Post# 346812 , Reply# 15   3/9/2016 at 02:26 (2,964 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I dumpted the bin by upending it on the ground and tapping on it to dislodge the dirt.Then shook out the filter on a tree-at arms length.Still got dirty.So--this is why I DESPISE bagless vacuums--too messy-and again if you dump it into a trash bag you are using a bag anyway.
I have some Centec like powernozzles on my AirWay canisters-for sport will see if they can fit on my Stealth wand and plugs.Also have some Wessel nozzles that a vac dealer gave me-he didn't want to change the handle switch-I may just wire across it.There is a switch for the nozzle power on the hose handle.


Post# 346889 , Reply# 16   3/9/2016 at 20:02 (2,963 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

It's too bad lindhaus doesn't make the two row brush for the 14" models that's offered on the 12". The difference is night and day. As far as the guardian platinum hoes I sometimes use my tristar PN, as Tom G pointed out in one of his posts it digs much deeper since it has the weight of the metal hood.


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