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Is there any difference between an 800w Miele and a 1600w one?
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Post# 346414   3/5/2016 at 18:05 (2,944 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Stuck between purchasing two models of Miele C2 - either the C2 Ecoline at 800w or the C2 Powerline at 1600w.

Is there any difference between suction power on these?

Many thanks :)


Post# 346415 , Reply# 1   3/5/2016 at 18:11 (2,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I can't say I have experience of a 800 watt Miele C2. I have however read reviews in other European countries and owners seem to be disappointed with the lack of pull from the 800 watt models. Thus Im quite happy to stick with my "old" 1200 watt S8 Ecoline. I doubt I would buy another Miele S8 after it though as the 1200 watt one seems powerful enough without going any lower.



Post# 346419 , Reply# 2   3/5/2016 at 18:41 (2,944 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Becham,

Miele says all of their cleaners use the same wattage motor.
The C1's use the large dustbag like the C3. The C2 is smaller.
C1 is made in China, and not a sealed system. There is no gasket between the lid and the body, only the bag chamber and lid. Exhaust air escapes around the body after the motor, where as in the C2, and C3 have an additional gasket set between the exhaust and filter, and motor and body shell.


Post# 346426 , Reply# 3   3/5/2016 at 19:00 (2,944 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

sebo_fan: So I should opt for the C2 Powerline then? The reviews on that show that 1600w is plenty of power and they never require the maximum setting. Normally, the eco Miele models have the EcoTeq floorhead the but one I was considering purchasing had the standard Allteq head. I suppose there is also the C3/S8 model on both ao.com and Currys for £139 except the one from Currys is 1600w and the ao.com version is the new 1200w model.

Vacerator: I'm not sure whether Miele's in the US all use 1200w but the models here vary from 700w to 1600w. Both C2 models I was looking at (800w and 1600w) are essentially the S5 models so use the same dust bag as the C3/S8. There are C1/S2 models available here but I was only looking at the C2 S5 versions.


Post# 346428 , Reply# 4   3/5/2016 at 19:20 (2,944 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Hi Mike,

Just a small correction: the Miele Classic C1/S2 is made in Germany, not China. I have one. And it's actually a fantastic budget vac. :-)

EurekaPrince Brian


Post# 346431 , Reply# 5   3/5/2016 at 19:58 (2,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Vacerator - the models in the UK and Europe are different - since the U.S and Canada don't have to bother with EU laws about lowering motor output. Same with SEBO and lots of other brands - the models in the U.S are slightly different.

HI-LO: I can't stand Miele's new model names, C1, C2, C3 etc as they all stock old and newer bodies with varying outputs. It is most confusing.

Okay.. The S5 body vacuums AS FAR AS I KNOW lack the one touch comfort cord rewind. So the S8 bodied Miele's are better in this respect as they have the one touch cord rewind.

I note that Miele's latest S8 models all seem to feature 7.5 metre cord lengths which frankly I can just put up with. I do however note that House of Fraser appear to be selling MY S8340 Ecoline which has a 1200 watt motor, came originally with 3 floor heads and has a Super Air Clean filter as standard and 9 metre power cord length. Based on the fact you can update with filter upgrades, I'd say the S8340 is still worth it despite being something like 3 to 4 years old.

My review can be found on Ciao but the House of Fraser link lists the model at £160





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Post# 346435 , Reply# 6   3/5/2016 at 20:27 (2,944 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

sebo_fan: Oooh thanks for the link there, that cleaners quite good value!

Post# 346462 , Reply# 7   3/6/2016 at 04:36 (2,944 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I'd go for the 1600w C2 Powerline Complete. The Eco C3's are great but the C2 was never designed to take a lower power motor.

Post# 346463 , Reply# 8   3/6/2016 at 04:38 (2,944 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Bit of a bargain here


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Post# 346464 , Reply# 9   3/6/2016 at 04:39 (2,944 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Oooh an even better bargain

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Post# 346465 , Reply# 10   3/6/2016 at 04:53 (2,944 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Thanks Chris, the first one you linked is what I am most like going to purchase. Seems a really good bargain,

Post# 346469 , Reply# 11   3/6/2016 at 05:22 (2,944 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Brian, Sebo,

Brian, a Miele authorized large chain dealer told me the Delphi, Titan, and one more C1 are made in China. Red, blue, and white.
Sebo, the tan C3 is the Alize here, and retails at a fixed price everywhere for $749. The lowest price C3 is the Calima in yellow at $649. there was a limited edition green one for $499 for a short time.
I know about the new EU wattage limit on vacuums.


Post# 346474 , Reply# 12   3/6/2016 at 06:07 (2,944 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Mike - that dealer misled you. The Miele C1s are all made in Germany. There may have been a time when the S2 first came out that the company attempted to build them in China but that was shortlived. Just look at the ratings plate on any C1 in any store and you will see it is made in Germany.

Post# 346481 , Reply# 13   3/6/2016 at 08:08 (2,944 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Brian, ok, I believe you now!

That dealer is using that ploy to bait and switch buyers up to a more expensive Miele then.
I will never go there again.


Post# 346489 , Reply# 14   3/6/2016 at 10:16 (2,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Vacerator - the prices are also VERY different. SEBO and Miele are priced expensively in the U.S - the U.K have cheaper prices in general, but even those are considered pricey for premium.

Your examples of $749 equates to £526 which could easily buy you the latest Vorwerk upright.
$649 equates to £455-97 which with an added £50 could buy you Miele's Robot RX1...


Post# 346490 , Reply# 15   3/6/2016 at 10:20 (2,944 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
£526 which could easily buy you the latest Vorwerk upright

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Vorwerk's retail higher than that - they're in Kirby territory.


Post# 346495 , Reply# 16   3/6/2016 at 10:46 (2,944 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Sebo,

No Vorwerks sold stateside. I'd never pay that much for any Roomba type sweeper.
I doubt that Miele even makes it.
A Roomba here cost's about $150 now. $500 buys me a nice new Marklin ho steam locomotive with sound effects for a whistle, bell, coal stoker, brake squeal, chuffing, and ditch lights. Not a Big Boy, but a br 10, 50, or other German DB prototype.


Post# 346502 , Reply# 17   3/6/2016 at 11:33 (2,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Vorwerk's retail is in Kirby territory - not quite...

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Chris I was quoted £525 for a VK150 last week when I spoke to a sales person from Vorwerk UK. It was VERY tempting but I think I'm happy with my VK131 for the time being.

There's one on EBay UK going for £499 and its new (apparently). If you don't ask you don't get.


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Post# 346503 , Reply# 18   3/6/2016 at 11:37 (2,944 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Also Vacerator - Miele vacs in the U.S seem to have specialist models with different floor heads. It is like that in the U.K to a degree but spares and accessories are far more widespread. I've been buying Miele vacs since the 1990s and if there's one thing I have learnt in the experience process, then its being able to buy a basic Miele vac and buying spares or accessories for it to bring it up to similar spec of higher priced vacs in the range.

Put simply you dont need to buy a top of the range Miele cylinder vac when a more basic one does just as well. Non-marked up prices on floor heads such as the Cat and Dog Wessel Werk turbo brush for example means owners can fashion a cheap "Cat and Dog" model without spending more than if they actually bought that vacuum.

It was only a few years ago that Miele in the U.S began to get spares on Amazon.com and EBAY.com - from what I can tell from conversations on here, Miele spares and accessories in the U.S were initially hard to find due to sellers hell bent on marking up prices on selected models.


Post# 346512 , Reply# 19   3/6/2016 at 13:33 (2,944 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Miele parts and upgrades

Apparently some of the previous Miele's that did not originally come with an electric hose could be upgraded to that, but at least on the U.S. models, that's no longer the case. I have a Miele C1 olympus, and there is no electrical connection on the canister at all. Now, if you want to get other attachments, there are a few ways you can do that. You can purchase Miele attachments, or you can get an adapter that will allow you to use 32 MM attachments and then use attachments you may already have, that's probably the best option if you have attachments from other vacuums.

Post# 346517 , Reply# 20   3/6/2016 at 14:18 (2,944 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Sebo, N0oxy,

that us true in both countries. Ibasiac says on his yotube C3 tests that in the UK, a power head is not even available for the S8 (C3).
In the US, all C5's, had power ports. No longer true for the C3.
Even when they did, it cost you more to buy a basic model with a straight suction or turbo burst then upgrade to an electric head later.
We like our sense rugs in the US, even if they are only area rugs. A plain muzzle is fine for surface lint and dust, but eventually, it gets deep down in the pile, and if your vacuum doesn't get it out, when you walk on it, the dirt cuts the fibers away.
Not even a Miele has enough power to suck out deep down dirt.
With a good power brush, and also with a beater feature, you can maintain a carpet from new with frequent vacuuming, and occasional dry cleaning with Capture powder.


Post# 346518 , Reply# 21   3/6/2016 at 14:27 (2,944 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Mike - have you checked for an electrical outlet in the area of the black handle on the main body of your Olympus? My Canadian version of the S2/C1 Olympus (called the "Contour" in Canada) has an electrical outlet on one side of the handle which can accomodate a plug from an electrified power nozzle hose. I don't need a power nozzle, but it's nice to know that I can upgrade later and add more attachments to my Contour. Strange that your Olympus would not use the same body as mine with the same electrical outlet. It's located to one side of the handle on the inside of the loop. :-)

Maybe your Olympus was one of those cheaper versions originally made in China? My S2/C1 Contour is made in Germany.


Post# 346530 , Reply# 22   3/6/2016 at 17:41 (2,943 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Brian,

I have not, and don't own one. Maybe that's why prices are higher in Canada. At least they are if you have one sent here.
I'll keep my central vac, as many Canadians also have them. Mine has a Cana-Vac hose now.


Post# 346546 , Reply# 23   3/6/2016 at 20:46 (2,943 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Ooops! Sorry Mike Vacerator! I should have been more specific...I was commenting on the post by the other Mike....Mike Noxy! He claims his Olympus does not have a built-in outlet to power up a power nozzle hose...my Contour has one and I'm sure the Olympus can be upgraded to use a power nozzle as well. But not sure...:-)

Post# 346547 , Reply# 24   3/6/2016 at 20:50 (2,943 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Ooops! Sorry Mike Vacerator! I should have been more specific...I was commenting on the post by the other Mike....Mike Noxy! He claims his Olympus does not have a built-in outlet to power up a power nozzle hose...my Contour has one and I'm sure the Olympus can be upgraded to use a power nozzle as well. But not sure...:-)

Post# 346548 , Reply# 25   3/6/2016 at 20:51 (2,943 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Ooops! Sorry Mike Vacerator! I should have been more specific...I was commenting on the post by the other Mike....Mike Noxy! He claims his Olympus does not have a built-in outlet to power up a power nozzle hose...my Contour has one and I'm sure the Olympus can be upgraded to use a power nozzle as well. But not sure...:-)

Post# 346549 , Reply# 26   3/6/2016 at 20:52 (2,943 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Sorry for the triple post! (How did that happen?)

Post# 346562 , Reply# 27   3/7/2016 at 03:52 (2,943 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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There are power nozzles available in the UK for Miele's but only on the top end C3's. I have the now discontinued C3 Electro Comfort.

Post# 346570 , Reply# 28   3/7/2016 at 04:19 (2,943 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Turbo500, Chris,

here in the US, a green one isn't even offered after the special edition powerline model was sold out.
It had no power port.
The Onyx, or cat and dog models are the lowest price ones with powernozzles, and the blue Marin, and Brilliant (former Unique) the only two with headlights.
By the time you buy an electric hose, and a the power head, it's cheaper to get one already with them.
Does Miele still offer a battery power nozzle?


Post# 346583 , Reply# 29   3/7/2016 at 06:56 (2,943 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

When ibaisaic made that video, Miele didn't offer power heads on their cleaners, but there has been three available in the UK recently. Apart from the green one Chris pictured, there was a Celebration model with a power head that involved clipping the cable to the exterior of the hose and the current model pictured here.



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Post# 346587 , Reply# 30   3/7/2016 at 07:20 (2,943 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Roger,

Ok, I see. Good move for Miele, but a cord along the entire hose is very early 70's. Rainbow, Filter Queen, and Eureka even did it on low end smaller cylinders.

Post# 346588 , Reply# 31   3/7/2016 at 07:23 (2,943 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
re; Miele Electro-Plus,

That's our Marin, but with our Kona power head, no light.

Post# 346589 , Reply# 32   3/7/2016 at 07:25 (2,943 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Onyx correction;

I meant Kona. The Onyx was an older model, either S2, or S5.

Post# 346739 , Reply# 33   3/8/2016 at 12:22 (2,942 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
upgrading Miele C1 olympus

I have looked at the handle and that entire side of the vacuum, there is definitely no outlet oon it. I've heard that even the c1 models are made in Germany, none of the Miele models are made in China.

Post# 346767 , Reply# 34   3/8/2016 at 16:36 (2,941 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
higher watt motors

Many manufacturers have actually added higher watt motors over the years because it sounds better when listing specifications. Motor power is only one thing to consider though. A vacuum with a less powerful motor but very good cleaning tools will clean better than a vacuum with a more powerful motor and bad cleaning tools. When Electrolux models such as the 1205 came out, they used motors around 500 watts, but were considered to be very good cleaners. It will be interesting to see if regulations like this ever come to the United States.

Post# 346768 , Reply# 35   3/8/2016 at 17:01 (2,941 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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That's very interesting Nooxy....no electrical outlet on your Olympus yet my suction-only Contour has one. Hmmm....I wonder if Miele did this for the Canadian market only....offering a C1 canister that is upgradeable to a power head. Any other American Olympus owners out there? Are you also lacking a power nozzle outlet on your canisters? Strange that the US market was not offered what we got north of the border.

Post# 346769 , Reply# 36   3/8/2016 at 17:28 (2,941 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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As I've said. this is proof enough that Miele AND other brands don't sell the same vacuums as per country.

As for "added power" it has been going ever since vacuums became a domestic reality. They have forever been sold as having more power and suction.

Not all vacuums with lower power in a cylinder vacuum fairs better - bag capacity has to be taken into consideration PLUS sealed suction and length of hose, tubes and main accessories.


Post# 346816 , Reply# 37   3/9/2016 at 04:17 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Brian,

the USA spec Titan Mielel C1 comes with an SEB 220 basic powerbrush for $499.

Post# 346821 , Reply# 38   3/9/2016 at 06:32 (2,941 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Vacerator...I know that. Miele Canada also offers C1s with an electric power nozzle. The question is: why would they create a different body for the C1 Olympus with no electric outlet? Would it not be more economical to sell a white version of the Titus' body with no power nozzle and call that an Olympus? Why would they make 2 different main bodies of C1? My suction only red Contour has an outlet moulded into the body near the handle in case I ever want to upgrade to an electrified hose with pig-tail wire. It's strange that the American Olympus does not have it too.

Post# 346823 , Reply# 39   3/9/2016 at 06:45 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Brian,

beats me? Many people only have bare floors today? In lofts? Small area rugs?
Does Miele even offer a non direct connect hose with a pigtail anymore?
Choice has always been a thing of marketing strategies.
Also a consumer delight.
Eureka used to make so many different models. Four to five canister sizes, and the smallest power nozzle version had a cord clamped along the hose.


Post# 346844 , Reply# 40   3/9/2016 at 11:33 (2,941 days old) by HooverLux (United Kingdom )        

I have the Miele upright, it is okay, but it's a big heavy machine. It cost me a lot of money.

Post# 346850 , Reply# 41   3/9/2016 at 13:37 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Alex,

Is it difficult to steer? It packs a wolop of power for above the floor cleaning also. Same motor as the C3 cylinder, and made to last.

Post# 346854 , Reply# 42   3/9/2016 at 13:54 (2,941 days old) by HooverLux (United Kingdom )        
😉

It is pretty easy to stear but rather difficult to manoeuvre, being a big cleaner.
Mine is a newer one with the EU reduced wattage motor, mine is 1500w


Post# 346873 , Reply# 43   3/9/2016 at 17:16 (2,940 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
HooverLux,

1500 watts is plenty to clean. I have an Electrolux Oxygen (Eureka) Smart Vac cylinder rated at 1400 w, and it does fine.

Post# 346878 , Reply# 44   3/9/2016 at 18:34 (2,940 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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1500 or 1600 watt motors that are now appearing in EU passed vacs are good to have for the moment - until 2017 when the EU law will drop to 900 watts. Nows the time to bag a bargain quite literally.




Post# 346881 , Reply# 45   3/9/2016 at 19:01 (2,940 days old) by HooverLux (United Kingdom )        

500-800w is more than sufficient for an upright.

Post# 346938 , Reply# 46   3/10/2016 at 06:58 (2,940 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Actually Vacerator, dont believe everything you read by Miele. The S7 is an upright that was clearly designed for the U.S; I had one and found it to be too big and cumbersome to use - also having to pedal over rugs wasn't my idea of technology and removing a clog from the hose when three screws have to be undone is a bit of a farce.

I also suggest that you go to Google and look for past threads on vacuumland - you'll find lots of information that you might have posted already including SEBO vacs and Miele vacs owned by other members. Just type in what you are looking for such as "Miele S7 + vacuumland" and see what comes up.


Post# 346945 , Reply# 47   3/10/2016 at 07:50 (2,940 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Sebofan,

I'm not a huge upright fan myself.
Growing up, even those with small homes said a cylinder was too cumbersome.
I never got that. No upright style back then could go under much furniture.
Only a tall table. They had poor suction for a hose as well.


Post# 346949 , Reply# 48   3/10/2016 at 08:17 (2,940 days old) by HooverLux (United Kingdom )        

Tgmhe Miele S7 would no doubt be too big and clunky in an American home, even though I had a large space, I still wouldn't want something heavy and cumbersome, although, Americans seem to think if it is bigger, heavier and louder, then it is better. Not true and rather the oposite.

Post# 346951 , Reply# 49   3/10/2016 at 09:04 (2,940 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

The Miele S7 was designed for the UK market according to an article in an electrical retailing magazine I've got somewhere. In fact it was launched in the UK before the States. Yes, it is rather large and clumbersome for the average UK home, but I've always found it does a good job.

A Miele dealer told me that when he visited the factory in Germany, he asked about the uprights after being shown the huge production line for the cylinder ranges. The Miele employee giving the tour said with a smile, "Ahhh English" before opening a door to reveal a very small scale operation producing the upright range.

I wouldn't be surprised if Miele phase out the upright range in the UK or just keep one model in the lineup as they obviously don't have a very big market share. I still would like to see a brand new, lighter more compact model from Miele, but I won't hold my breath.


Post# 346962 , Reply# 50   3/10/2016 at 11:39 (2,940 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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If the S7 was designed for the UK its a shame its so big. I wonder where Miele got the idea to design an upright when anything else on the market in Europe certainly isn't as big, physically. Miele don't lead the market with over sized vacuums in general.

Post# 346967 , Reply# 51   3/10/2016 at 12:12 (2,940 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
noise level and power

That is a common misconception, if it's louder it's more powerful, if it's quiet, you sacrifice power and performance. There are several canister vacuums that are very quiet and very powerful, the Electrolux Ultra One and Riccar Prima are examples. The Miele, Sebo, and Lindhaus canisters, while not quite as quiet, still allow you to have a normal conversation while using them. Of course, if you want the quietest cleaning possible, a central vacuum wins hands down, that's as quiet and powerful as you can get.

Post# 346972 , Reply# 52   3/10/2016 at 13:08 (2,940 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The other misconception is that bigger is always better.

Post# 346977 , Reply# 53   3/10/2016 at 14:17 (2,940 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Sebo,

Amen brother!


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