Thread Number: 31187
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Dyson engineering ineptitude and complacency |
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Post# 344953 , Reply# 1   2/22/2016 at 16:23 (2,956 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 344955 , Reply# 2   2/22/2016 at 16:28 (2,956 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Not a fan here. I'd drop the parts and eventually crack them. |
Post# 344959 , Reply# 3   2/22/2016 at 16:50 (2,956 days old) by s_matt37 (Utah)   |   | |
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The ball is a good idea, but eliminating fixed wheel machines from their lineup is a very bad idea. I would prefer a fixed wheel machine, as the ball seems to strain my wrist uncomfortably. Bring back fixed wheels! |
Post# 344963 , Reply# 5   2/22/2016 at 17:32 (2,956 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )   |   | |
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Post# 344966 , Reply# 6   2/22/2016 at 18:10 (2,956 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)   |   | |
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Yes... Very annoying with dust going to the center tube when you empty and going to the motor if your a regular consumer that doesn't notice that |
Post# 344984 , Reply# 8   2/22/2016 at 19:24 (2,956 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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on the other hand, Rock! To each their own I say. I'm old school I suppose. In my day, they were made with US Steel. |
Post# 345074 , Reply# 14   2/23/2016 at 07:23 (2,956 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345075 , Reply# 15   2/23/2016 at 07:32 (2,956 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Totally^ I also own a DC41 MK2 and its the best performing vacuum I have ever used especially performance wise |
Post# 345103 , Reply# 17   2/23/2016 at 10:52 (2,956 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Perhaps so young Paul in Bristol. Then again, I only have 23 years on you. Peace, and prosperity to all! |
Post# 345105 , Reply# 18   2/23/2016 at 11:00 (2,956 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345111 , Reply# 19   2/23/2016 at 12:19 (2,956 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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The modern Dyson vacuum is nothing but an over engineered pile of hundreds of plastic parts that just don't hold up with any kind of frequent usage before something goes wrong. The only metal part in the entire machine is the motor. If Dyson could figure out how to make a motor out of plastic they would do it. There are several other vacuums that are not overly complex, cost half the price of the average Dyson but perform as well or better. People are mostly attracted to Dyson because of it's appearance. There's all the brightly colored plastic plastic components shaped in a futuristic design but actual performance is only slightly better than average.
Now most everyone on here knows I am a Kirby fan, but I will not go there today.
Let's look at another extremely well built vacuum that is almost impossible to beat in performance tests. It is the Dual Motor Tandem Air Maytag built by Tacony Corp in the USA. The Maytag has many metal components such as metal sole plate, metal foot release lever and cord hooks for example and costs around half the price of the Dyson Cinetic. I think Dyson is taking it's customers for a ride.
And that's just my 2 cents worth folks. |
Post# 345112 , Reply# 20   2/23/2016 at 12:29 (2,956 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345127 , Reply# 23   2/23/2016 at 16:28 (2,955 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Having been a Dyson fan and admiring James Dyson from the early 90's and owning a DC01 along with 7 other Dyson vacuums along the way up to the DC16, I no longer own any. I'll be honest in saying I don't in tend to own any in the future. Still admire James Dyson for what he has done in terms of his company and encouraging engineering and design in the young (or anyone for that matter).
I agree not one vacuum is perfect it is what suits the owner/user to their requirements that counts. A Dyson vacuum might suit some people where as another brand suits others. The company has changed more so since it's gone Global, James handed the business over to someone with business experience to run the day to day part some years ago, while he concentrated on the engineering side with his engineers which he really loves doing. From a personal view I do feel the Dyson vacuum is becoming over engineered too complex design for what it actually needs to be. Some of the best design and engineering is the most simplest but that I suppose doesn't apply to all things!! The only one in the current range is the cordless digital slim models that in overall form is a simple engineered/designed product nothing complex! I don't get why they are designing complex machines for what is and has always been a simple task around the home be it vacuuming carpets, hard floors or above floor cleaning! I'm sure I read somewhere recently they are doing more trade in promotions (although you don't have to trade in an old vacuum cleaner!) because sales are down like for like over the last few years! Number of reasons for this I suppose! These are issues I see on their Facebook time and time again and other social media pages from frustrated owners that have paid £300 - £400 plus on their vacuums: Owners complain about hoses (uprights) ripping or breaking within a year or so Owners complain of blockages more on the latest designs over older designs Standard reply if an owners Dyson doesn't pickup on carpet or hard flooring - you have the wrong type flooring!! Owners being told what type of dust and dirt they can use the Dyson to pickup Of course they are a very well known company so any negative comments are picked up more and homed in on which is the same for any company in a similar position. These issues need to be addressed (which they may be in hand!) as it does have an effect on current owners and future new customers! One thing I read time again is some Dyson owners prefer their older Dyson vacuums over the new models they now have!! That's worrying and might be why sales have dropped! Word gets about! Not everyone is liking the complete range of ball technology but I don't see them ever going back to using wheels on their uprights! If anything cordless will be their products of the future especially having recently purchased a Battery Company! As James Dyson keeps says lean engineering, less is more!! |
Post# 345132 , Reply# 25   2/23/2016 at 17:37 (2,955 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)   |   | |
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Eureka The Boss 1934 best low-price upright made thanks to its direct-air design; but no on-board tools U can upgrade the standard wooden roller (2 bristles & 2 plastic beater bars) to a all-steel VibraGroomer 1 or 2 |
Post# 345189 , Reply# 27   2/24/2016 at 00:42 (2,955 days old) by Dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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N0oxy I think you're mistaking the reviews don't talk about them breaking and not holding together they talk about they not feeling very well built and flimsy but being made at a very strong plastic it especially applies to the current models And Dyson did have quite a few issues with the original Dyson DC41 and Dc40 so that's why. Ps die soon has been around for many many years and it came from some hater
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Post# 345193 , Reply# 28   2/24/2016 at 01:43 (2,955 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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I own the V6 Absolute, and aside from the clogging shroud that leads to fairly frequent messy cleaning, it's the best cordless product I've ever used. Still love it and use it often!
Their bagless tech has seen great advances in effectiveness, but has also regressed in the ways the first poster described. Mainly, their upright vacuums pulling small amounts of dust through the motor after each time you empty the bin. Why?! This has been going on for almost 5 years now! Dyson sits on the best filtration systems in the world. What bothers me is that their Cinetic series are the only Dyson vacuums currently using their patented, superior, level-3 root cyclone technology. Throw a pre-filter under the bin or motor-inlet of the Cinetic upright, and you would have a vac you could offer a legit brushbar (like a Quadraflex, instead of this one row nonsense), and extremely low filter-maintenance. Instead, their flagship model is engineered to work within filtration restrictions. I was so hyped about the Cinetic upright, but personally witnessed the same problems laszlopanaflex described, and sold it. |
Post# 345202 , Reply# 30   2/24/2016 at 04:10 (2,955 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345205 , Reply# 31   2/24/2016 at 06:07 (2,955 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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True Paul. I also in some respects, but I try to be open minded. We tend to become our parents. Some my age also have problems with other wood, and take Viagra. |
Post# 345209 , Reply# 32   2/24/2016 at 06:37 (2,955 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Mark you're right I rest my case! |
Post# 345210 , Reply# 33   2/24/2016 at 06:38 (2,955 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345216 , Reply# 34   2/24/2016 at 08:44 (2,955 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Hahaaa! Good one, but I don't need to compensate. As they say in Italy, "tutti grande', nella piccolezi. It's also in the method. Cooking, or otherwise. |
Post# 345217 , Reply# 35   2/24/2016 at 08:59 (2,955 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345230 , Reply# 37   2/24/2016 at 14:12 (2,954 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 345242 , Reply# 39   2/24/2016 at 16:43 (2,954 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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I believe they could be if done by a dealer. Some only want to sell you a high end pricey machine. |
Post# 345255 , Reply# 40   2/24/2016 at 19:38 (2,954 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)   |   | |
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Just curious, on the Dyson canister models, what is the hose size? Is it at all standard, can you use standard attachments or is the hose size nonstandard? |
Post# 345285 , Reply# 41   2/25/2016 at 07:11 (2,954 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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No. The Dyson attachment holes are smaller. In order to use US standard "dussen" or tool, an adapter must be used, as with some US uprights. "dussen" is deutsche for nozzle. |
Post# 345297 , Reply# 42   2/25/2016 at 08:54 (2,954 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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I dont see how the size of a room has anything to do with if a vacuums brushbar can cope or not. Surely the type of carpet would have more of an impact. Unless also if you are talking about the width of the cleaning path, in which case, dyson are no different to most vacuums in Europe or the US, although i know there are some hoover and bissell models with extra wide cleaning paths.
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Post# 345303 , Reply# 43   2/25/2016 at 09:23 (2,954 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345305 , Reply# 44   2/25/2016 at 09:32 (2,954 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)   |   | |
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Hey everyone, here are some of the comparison videos I had mentioned. Should make for some interesting discussion. First, here are a few comparing Dysson to the Riccar. Now here is Dyson and Sebo And now here is Dyson verses Miele |
Post# 345309 , Reply# 46   2/25/2016 at 09:52 (2,954 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345310 , Reply# 47   2/25/2016 at 09:54 (2,954 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345317 , Reply# 49   2/25/2016 at 10:23 (2,954 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)   |   | |
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Sorry Tayyab I was referring to the Small Ball when I was talking about the new aluminium wand. I wish Dyson would make their machines quieter though, even though the Small Ball is 30% quieter than the DC50, its still loud. |
Post# 345321 , Reply# 50   2/25/2016 at 10:58 (2,954 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Here are just a few problems that need to be addressed before this video can be considered valid:
1. There was no Kirby visible or anywhere in sight during the entire video. He probably only vacuumed with just the Dyson. 2. He did not mention the year and model Kirby that was used. Was it an older model? 3. So when was the fantom Kirby's bag last changed? 4. How full was said Kirby's bag? 5. How well was the fantom Kirby maintained ie condition of belt and brush roll? 6. Was the floor nozzle set to the correct height for that carpet?
If someone was to make a valid video comparing the cleaning ability of two vacuums, then the above issues should have been addressed to the viewers.
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Post# 345324 , Reply# 51   2/25/2016 at 11:13 (2,954 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345326 , Reply# 52   2/25/2016 at 11:26 (2,954 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 345328 , Reply# 53   2/25/2016 at 11:40 (2,954 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345331 , Reply# 55   2/25/2016 at 11:47 (2,954 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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Too Many variables. Only way to accurately measure, is a clean piece of carpet, measured amount in, and measured the amount out.
Other variables are methods of vacuuming, speed, adjustments, overlapping of passes etc.
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Post# 345334 , Reply# 56   2/25/2016 at 12:03 (2,954 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345341 , Reply# 58   2/25/2016 at 12:35 (2,954 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345343 , Reply# 59   2/25/2016 at 13:17 (2,953 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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It is legal in south beach where Starina performs with Twyla. "Bird Cage", 1996. |
Post# 345344 , Reply# 60   2/25/2016 at 13:20 (2,953 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Lug a vacuum up and down stairs, I'd take the James D over a Kirby. |
Post# 345345 , Reply# 61   2/25/2016 at 13:21 (2,953 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345346 , Reply# 62   2/25/2016 at 13:27 (2,953 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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One does like a hint of color now. I have never done drag. Not only would I need to shave a lot, or use much hair dabilitory cream, it's not my thing. I like to watch it though. |
Post# 345347 , Reply# 63   2/25/2016 at 13:34 (2,953 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345352 , Reply# 66   2/25/2016 at 14:51 (2,953 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 345353 , Reply# 67   2/25/2016 at 15:01 (2,953 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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Well there was a flow to the conversation. Exaggeration, sarcasm
Poor horsey, poor dead horsey.
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Post# 345354 , Reply# 68   2/25/2016 at 15:03 (2,953 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345355 , Reply# 69   2/25/2016 at 15:04 (2,953 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 345356 , Reply# 70   2/25/2016 at 15:07 (2,953 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345357 , Reply# 71   2/25/2016 at 15:11 (2,953 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345360 , Reply# 72   2/25/2016 at 15:24 (2,953 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345361 , Reply# 73   2/25/2016 at 15:27 (2,953 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 345364 , Reply# 74   2/25/2016 at 15:32 (2,953 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345368 , Reply# 75   2/25/2016 at 15:45 (2,953 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 345377 , Reply# 78   2/25/2016 at 17:04 (2,953 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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In the vs videos it's funny how in all of them they either use a broken or a 2 3 4 8 10 year old model or a inferior model,and in kode1996 video the Kirby is in the back and it's a sentria 2.
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Post# 345388 , Reply# 80   2/25/2016 at 18:34 (2,953 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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So why didn't he dump the flour and soda back on the carpet and use the Kirby? |
Post# 345491 , Reply# 81   2/26/2016 at 11:24 (2,953 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 345493 , Reply# 82   2/26/2016 at 11:30 (2,953 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 345497 , Reply# 83   2/26/2016 at 11:45 (2,953 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345501 , Reply# 84   2/26/2016 at 13:07 (2,952 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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You must have been asleep in your high school Physics classes. Suction and airflow ARE NOT the same thing! If they are the same, then why is each one measured differently? Suction is measured in inches of water lift, whereas Airflow is measured in CFM (Cubic feet per minute. You would never hear of a cylinder vacuum suction measured in CFM. Its always measured in inches of water lift.
Sure there is a small amount of suction present in a Kirby floor head as the motor starts up, but when it's up to full speed it's all Airflow baby!
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Post# 345504 , Reply# 86   2/26/2016 at 13:29 (2,952 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345505 , Reply# 87   2/26/2016 at 13:39 (2,952 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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This pressure drop behind the fan is just like the pressure drop in a straw when you sip from your drink. The pressure level in the area behind the fan drops below the pressure level outside the vacuum cleaner (the ambient air pressure). This creates suction, a partial vacuum, inside the vacuum cleaner. The ambient air pushes itself into the vacuum cleaner through the intake port because the air pressure inside the vacuum cleaner is lower than the pressure outside.
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Post# 345506 , Reply# 88   2/26/2016 at 13:41 (2,952 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345508 , Reply# 89   2/26/2016 at 14:07 (2,952 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 345512 , Reply# 90   2/26/2016 at 14:15 (2,952 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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Yes suction and air flow are linked, but as one increases the other decreases. A dead air flow, strong suction. High air flow, low suction. Linked. Optimized. Post# 317422 , Reply# 83 3/4/2015 at 12:13pm (359 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA) posts: 755 Suction vs AirflowHarley is absolutely correct when he explains the concept of Suction vs Airflow!
Here's another way to look at it: A Tornado is a whirl of wind. There is almost no suction involved, but a Tornado can pickup a house and carry it 100 yards with very little or no suction.
Take a look at your average Dyson. There's lots of suction as measured in inches of water, but take out your Baird Meter and measure the Airflow and you'll find there's very little.
Now look at your Kirby or metal Royal and you'll see these numbers are reversed. There's very little suction, but the Baird meter is nearly pegged at "10". Now as the brushroll, spinning at 3900 RPM, brings the dirt to the surface of the carpet, all that Airflow picks up the dirt (just like a tornado) and carries it through the fancase and into the bag. And that's why Airflow is more important than suction.
Can we get back to Fairy wings now? CLICK HERE TO GO TO Kirbysthebest's LINK |
Post# 345513 , Reply# 91   2/26/2016 at 14:43 (2,952 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345536 , Reply# 94   2/26/2016 at 18:35 (2,952 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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No, not Kansas, but we've had them here. Actually, I meant the Brand Tornado, ,and thought we were discussing the power of it's motor. |
Post# 345559 , Reply# 95   2/27/2016 at 06:28 (2,952 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Are you on you tube as U5096? |
Post# 345562 , Reply# 96   2/27/2016 at 07:11 (2,952 days old) by Mike81 ()   |   | |
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Everyone should see this. This is why I don't like the bagless vacuums. |
Post# 345569 , Reply# 99   2/27/2016 at 09:08 (2,952 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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"I had a large dog and wanted a machine that I could empty after each use so the hair and dander didn't grow bacteria and stink."
I have been down this route so many times with second hand bagged and bagless uprights. In the end I realised it wasn't the filters at fault but the hoses and dust channels that get clogged with oily pet hair deposits. Once those areas are cleaned out the older HEPA filters I kept over worked again. Its not the filter or brand that can often be at fault but the simplest of things such as the hoses and dust channel air ways that require a good grouting out! |
Post# 345588 , Reply# 100   2/27/2016 at 11:51 (2,952 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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but who has time to clean out hoses and wands? |
Post# 345594 , Reply# 101   2/27/2016 at 12:06 (2,952 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)   |   | |
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Paul, or Marcus as he is sometimes called, is not on Youtube. U5096 is a Policeman called Ryan. I think that ibasiac bloke is called Roger. I met him once and he seemed really stuck up, but he loves his vacuums. |
Post# 345599 , Reply# 102   2/27/2016 at 13:02 (2,951 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345600 , Reply# 103   2/27/2016 at 13:06 (2,951 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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You only need to clean out hoses and wands periodically, Vacerator. These things take time to build up again. Of course if a manufacturer could come up with a seamlessly smooth interior it wouldn't take half as long to clean every coil. When I think about it, neither my Miele or SEBO hoses need to recoil, but I understand some ribs are required to protect the exterior of the hose and ribbed ones are probably cheaper to manufacture by now.
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Post# 345601 , Reply# 104   2/27/2016 at 13:09 (2,951 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)   |   | |
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That's an old photo Mar...Paul. |
Post# 345602 , Reply# 105   2/27/2016 at 13:12 (2,951 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 345604 , Reply# 106   2/27/2016 at 13:57 (2,951 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)   |   | |
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You should update your photo to show the real you. |
Post# 345711 , Reply# 107   2/28/2016 at 15:43 (2,950 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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If I were 35, I would also. Not that I look bad for 56. But I know what Tony Danza looks like now, so no. |
Post# 345724 , Reply# 110   2/28/2016 at 17:23 (2,950 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Seriously they just HAD to use that puny little Dyson DC50 when comparing it to a full sized machine? Not a fair comparison. |
Post# 345725 , Reply# 111   2/28/2016 at 17:30 (2,950 days old) by Mike81 ()   |   | |
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I was going to mention about it, but that's what I was also thinking. Dyson Cinetic Big Ball would have been better choice. My comment was about the testing methods. |
Post# 345726 , Reply# 112   2/28/2016 at 17:43 (2,950 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Yes I totally agree :) |
Post# 345729 , Reply# 113   2/28/2016 at 18:09 (2,950 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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that was done several years ago. It may be somewhat out dated, but I think all the tests are still valid today. All of the tests were done with a Dyson DC14 and a Kirby G5, but I believe that if they were all repeated today between a Dyson DC65 or Cinetic and a Kirby Avalir, the results would be the same. There is a lot of reading here, but it is very interesting reading.
www.greatvacs.com/education/Kirby... |
Post# 345732 , Reply# 114   2/28/2016 at 18:39 (2,950 days old) by Mike81 ()   |   | |
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I knew that Kirby would have more airflow than Dyson, but so much! And top of all that with the hose! Dyson = 1 out of 10 Kirby = 7 out of 10 |
Post# 345821 , Reply# 117   2/29/2016 at 17:32 (2,949 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 345838 , Reply# 119   2/29/2016 at 19:43 (2,949 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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if I do that with my central vacuum which is sealed suction, the marble will not still be in my hand after only turning it on then off quickly. It will make it at least halfway through the hose. |
Post# 345840 , Reply# 120   2/29/2016 at 19:44 (2,949 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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if I do that with my central vacuum which is sealed suction, the marble will not still be in my hand after only turning it on then off quickly. It will make it at least halfway through the hose. |
Post# 345869 , Reply# 123   3/1/2016 at 01:43 (2,949 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Oh and PS IDK about America but we can get a brand new DC40 with 5 year guarantee from retailers for £179.99 a lot of the time |
Post# 345884 , Reply# 125   3/1/2016 at 05:11 (2,949 days old) by kenkart ()   |   | |
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Straight suction nozzle is better than anything for glued down carpet. |
Post# 346039 , Reply# 127   3/2/2016 at 10:04 (2,948 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 346119 , Reply# 129   3/3/2016 at 08:18 (2,947 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 346138 , Reply# 130   3/3/2016 at 10:24 (2,947 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Are Sebos not sealed systems? |
Post# 346246 , Reply# 131   3/4/2016 at 09:47 (2,946 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Yes they are sealed. And here is where I have to say more...
The HEPA filter cartridge that the Americans demanded for their X series vacs LEAKS dust. This is why most European countries with SEBO vacs don't use the HEPA filters made for the X series. The K series for example has a HEPA style motor exhaust but the air that gets pumped out of that vacuum goes through an S-Class designed fabric filter. The new E Airbelt series doesn't have ANY paper pleated HEPA filters nor does the D series canisters. The Evolution/Mechanical upright that you got to get your hands on does possess a HEPA filter but that is only for the bag on top of it; the S-Class roll to the side filters the air that emits out of the machine. The S-Class filtration system is a higher degree of filtered air but it is more expensive to manufacture/install than cheap paper pleats, which can impede suction and air flow dependent on the vacuum cleaner and its design. S-Class uses electrostatic material to trap dust particles in the air but lets the airflow be maintained. |
Post# 346248 , Reply# 132   3/4/2016 at 09:51 (2,946 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Yes, I agree with that. The hepa cell lock type bags are also better. Even a Sears Kenmore (Panasonic) progressive uses them, and at a $200 price. My Oxygen, aka Electrolux Smartvac cylinder in the UK has the Goretex washable hepa filter. |
Post# 349183 , Reply# 134   3/31/2016 at 14:27 (2,918 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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