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Post# 343472   2/11/2016 at 06:31 (2,994 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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A pretty accurate and knowledgeable write up from TR, featuring Dyson DC41 MK2, V6 models, Sebo Felix and airbelts and a couple of Mieles, and of course, the Numatic Henry !

CLICK HERE TO GO TO oliveoiltinfoil's LINK


Post# 343476 , Reply# 1   2/11/2016 at 08:16 (2,994 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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They've also done an excellent report on the SEBO E1

CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK


Post# 343479 , Reply# 2   2/11/2016 at 08:31 (2,994 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Love how those Sebo's look! Love to have one to play with!

Post# 343484 , Reply# 3   2/11/2016 at 09:13 (2,994 days old) by Mike81 ()        

I love those Sebo vacuums. I already have tasted what the Sebo quality is with my Sebo based Kärcher CV36/2 upright. I must say that the build quality and performance is excellent.
I gotta search ebay if I could find a Sebo Airbelt C3 canister. Just a fantastic vacuums.


Post# 343494 , Reply# 4   2/11/2016 at 10:40 (2,994 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yes. Without turning this into a SEBO raving thread, I really like their vacuums and as mentioned in the write up, SEBO have a loyal customer following. Their machines and brilliantly built and perform very well, are easy to use and cheap to run. Not much to dislike about them.

Post# 343524 , Reply# 5   2/11/2016 at 13:59 (2,994 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Great list! It really does cover all points, giving an option for everything. Whilst I'm not a bagless fan, I would agree that Dyson are the best bagless vacs available in the UK. As a preference, I much prefer my Henry to my Miele's, but that's not to say the Miele cat and dog isn't an excallent choice. So, all in all, great list!


Post# 343629 , Reply# 6   2/12/2016 at 10:19 (2,993 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Im the opposite - I dont think I could go back to having a Henry in my life because of not having all the tools to hand and I love my Miele S8 even if there's a little whine at the end of the motor when its switched off.

I think I honestly prefer the even more basic Numatic James version but with Henry's metal tubes. Plus somewhere to put the tools in the top of James' open space = I could never seem to get the dust brush to stay on that side clip on the Henry without it flinging off into the air. The slightest brush of the hose to the tool would let it ping off too. I regret getting rid of my James but I could well buy another one.


Post# 343633 , Reply# 7   2/12/2016 at 10:22 (2,993 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I was surprised Chris preferred his Henry but it takes all sorts I guess :-)

Post# 343704 , Reply# 8   2/12/2016 at 14:10 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Believe me, nobody was more surprised than me at my Henry love, but I'm very taken with it. I think because I'd only had AutoSave models in my own house, I'd never fully appreciated them. The AutoSave has to be my least favourite of the lot. The current models are fantastic and I'm loving how simple it is.


Post# 343715 , Reply# 9   2/12/2016 at 14:52 (2,993 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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You have been won over by a cute male face :-)

Post# 343735 , Reply# 10   2/12/2016 at 16:54 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Wouldn't be the first time. You're only jealous 'cause it's not you :P

Post# 343738 , Reply# 11   2/12/2016 at 19:08 (2,993 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
You're only jealous 'cause it's not you

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I think Mark is very attractive. Hmm, well...The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, as they say.

Post# 343770 , Reply# 12   2/13/2016 at 05:04 (2,992 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        
You have been won over by a cute male face :-)

PMSL

Post# 343786 , Reply# 13   2/13/2016 at 06:47 (2,992 days old) by Numaticrule29 ( london uk)        

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I think the new Henry's are crap
The floor tools plate is plastic and goes sheep after lots of use
And the hose is not very flexible


Post# 343789 , Reply# 14   2/13/2016 at 07:08 (2,992 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Numaticrule29, I respectfully disagree. I find the new floortool vastly superior at carpet cleaning over the old one, having done a comparison using both on the same cleaner. It may be plastic but it certainly cleans better.

Post# 343792 , Reply# 15   2/13/2016 at 07:17 (2,992 days old) by Numaticrule29 ( london uk)        

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Turbo500, I do agree it cleans well, but if numatic did put a metal base plate on it instead of a plastic one then it would be a lot better

Post# 343793 , Reply# 16   2/13/2016 at 07:28 (2,992 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

I prefer the Henry's between 2004 and 2013. I do like the current ones but I don't like the way they sound like Miele's. Sounds very unoriginal to me for a Henry.

I also wish the sole plates were metal as stated above- Would make it even better durability wise and I imagine it would glide over carpet easier because it's smoother than plastic.

I don't like the way the floor tools look on a Numatic aesthetically. It's completely different and considering it's on Henry's, they never really changed much but the floor tool is the biggest change since they were launched next to the Autosave feature.


Post# 343814 , Reply# 17   2/13/2016 at 08:23 (2,992 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The Numatic John & Lewis originally came with a metal soleplate, which I agree was better.

Tayyab, where have you got that the current Henry's sound like a Miele? Mine sounds NOTHING like a Miele. Infact, I'd say it sounds more like an older Henry. The Miele's have a quiet, high pitched motor that makes a sort of whistling almost. The Henry has a much lower pitched motor, slightly louder. I'll do a side by side comparison video for you when I get a minute.


Post# 343817 , Reply# 18   2/13/2016 at 08:38 (2,992 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

I seen a YouTube video, cant remember which one it was but it has a sound which reminded me of a Miele, thought it sounded similar lol

Post# 343818 , Reply# 19   2/13/2016 at 08:42 (2,992 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

Found the video! Skip to 10:45

I don't think it sounds like an original modern Henry which is what I miss


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Post# 343819 , Reply# 20   2/13/2016 at 08:42 (2,992 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I can assure you, mine sounds absolutely nothing like a Miele


Post# 343820 , Reply# 21   2/13/2016 at 08:45 (2,992 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

Is your's a 2015 model with 2 rocker switches?

Post# 343821 , Reply# 22   2/13/2016 at 08:48 (2,992 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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It certainly is! Serial number dates it to week 38 of 2015.


Post# 343823 , Reply# 23   2/13/2016 at 09:03 (2,992 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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It sounds like a Miele, I have the same one Chris has and mine sounds identical to his, I can tell you, it deffinately has the similar miele tone, sounds nothing like the previous 1200w twinflo motor.

Post# 343825 , Reply# 24   2/13/2016 at 09:08 (2,992 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

Cool, guys :D

I like the sound of the 1200W Henry's, I think it sounds lovely on a Henry, probably because that's the most common sound of a Henry I heard everywhere when growing up! Love it :D Sounds lovely


Post# 343829 , Reply# 25   2/13/2016 at 09:22 (2,992 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Whoever said it sounds like a Miele clearly doesn't own one and hasn't done a side by side test. Trust me, stick em next to eachother and they sound nothing like eachother.

The Henry is much lower in pitch and slightly louder than the Miele. The Miele is quieter and higher pitched. If anything, the current Henry sounds more like the older ones. I'd say it's more comparable to my Dad's old NV250 from 1979 than it is a Miele.


Post# 343838 , Reply# 26   2/13/2016 at 09:52 (2,992 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

Awesome, I never owned a Henry before but I have 3 Family members with 3 different types of Henry's and having used them, they are brilliant machines! I want one and we need one because there is no way I will be using my mint machines for the house extension we will have in the summer.

My favourite ones are any between 2004-2013, the motor sounds nice and is pretty powerful!


Post# 343907 , Reply# 27   2/13/2016 at 18:37 (2,992 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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"If anything, the current Henry sounds more like the older ones."

Are you insane?

It sounds NOTHING like the older Numatics! It sounds more like the 1996-1998 1100w single fan motor Henry's that had the coloured outline lettering.

These new Henry's have a cheapy all plastic single fan motor.

The older Henry's from 1981-1995 had twin fan motors with prior 1990 models having an 800w motor and 90-95 having 1000w motors and both sounded nothing like these new models.
Numatic began to cheapen Henrys in around 1996 when they introduced an 1100w single fan motor, then in 99-2003 an even cheaper, smaller motor, again single fan and still rated at 1100w.
In 2004, Numatic re introduced a twin fan motor in Henry cleaners, this particular motor known as the "twinflo" motor, that was 1200w and was used in the push button with hi/lo switch, double rocker on/off/hi/lo, on the top back and the Autosave variants.

For some reason and for the first time, Numatic have gone to an all plastic, motor, but single fan, like the mid 90s variants, it is also significantly smaller than the predecessor, the 1200w "twinflo" motor and is not as easily serviceable.

Alex.


Post# 343977 , Reply# 28   2/14/2016 at 06:35 (2,991 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

Hmm think I will go for the twinflo motor HEnry!

Cheers Alex


Post# 343991 , Reply# 29   2/14/2016 at 08:33 (2,991 days old) by Mike81 ()        

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Post# 343992 , Reply# 30   2/14/2016 at 09:00 (2,991 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Cheers Alex

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Ooh, I presume Alex is talking garbage again. Figures.

Post# 343998 , Reply# 31   2/14/2016 at 10:07 (2,991 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

I don't mean to sound rude or anything, apologies for buttin in aswell but it's probably for the best- why not just make up and put this behind us like real men? We aren't women where we hold grudges from nursery till the age of 60...

It's much better to forgive and forget, it would be really depressing if (God forbid) one of us dies prematurely and with a grudge still held against the other? Just my tupence...

-Tayyab


Post# 344000 , Reply# 32   2/14/2016 at 10:14 (2,991 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I am speaking the truth, everything I have said was true about Henry's, I should know, I have had every varient of them that was made, believe me, I know what I am talking about.

Post# 344020 , Reply# 33   2/14/2016 at 12:29 (2,991 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Sorry Tayyab but I disgree entirely. I've found the best way to deal with that level of negativity and bad attitude is to cut it out altogether. I won't bore you with the details, but for years I have defended Alex when he was trolling and pissing everybody else off, but I reached the point where I'd had enough. Alex's actions recently pushed me too far to the point where I no longer wish to associate with him. I won't bore you with the whole story, although no doubt he will post his twisted, backward, arse-worths version of it on reading this.

UNFORTUNATELY, he seems to want to reply to everything I post and contradict every comment I make. Classic attention seeking and desperation. So despite the fact that I have his posts blocked and can no longer see what he posts, his name keeps cropping up. I'm not remotely interested in his posts and he should take the hint and stop addressing me on here. Certain people were continuing to send me screenshots of things Alex was posting, I have now asked them to stop and made my feelings about Negative Nancy completely clear.

So, dear fellow vacuum enthusiasts, please PLEASE stop messaging me and telling me what Alex is saying. I'm not interested.


Post# 344022 , Reply# 34   2/14/2016 at 13:26 (2,991 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Oh dear I don't think Alex will be getting a valentines card from Chris this year :-)

Post# 344053 , Reply# 35   2/14/2016 at 19:36 (2,991 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

I think it's just best not to have any beef at all so there's peace & no grudges ;)

Post# 344059 , Reply# 36   2/14/2016 at 21:41 (2,991 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Lol, I dont think I am the negative one here, I think Chris is the stuck up one here.
I would like to make it perfectly clear, not that it is anyones business anyway, I have no desire to chace after Chris, he is the one that stopped talking to me and frankly it has had little inpact on me. Deapite what anyone might think. I do reply to everything he post and always have, because he chats complete shite!


Post# 344060 , Reply# 37   2/14/2016 at 21:44 (2,991 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Chase* impact* despite*

Post# 344339 , Reply# 38   2/17/2016 at 04:27 (2,988 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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But Alex, he doesn't talk complete excrement (a nicer word that doesn't rhyme with "bright.") because everyone is allowed to express their opinions.

Truth be told, Chris is very knowledgable, reads a lot as do other collectors through the years and learns about machines. So what if he finds the motor noise isn't like a Miele. At least he has expressed his differences. Respect that. If you can't - you're on the wrong, forum.



Post# 344346 , Reply# 39   2/17/2016 at 06:45 (2,988 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Thanks Nar.
I can' see what Alex has said (nor am I remotely interested) but thank you for the nice comments.

I've never proclaimed to know everything and even after 9 years on VL (and 11 years on the collector scene), I'm constantly learning knew things. I do try to keep facts and opinion seperate, something which Double-N here seems incapable of.

Quite frankly, why anyone would get so bent out of shape because I disgree that X machine sounds like Y machine is beyond me. Clearly, some people get a life.

FYI, I still don't think it sounds anything like a Miele.


Post# 344395 , Reply# 40   2/17/2016 at 13:04 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I never said it sounds identical to a Miele, I said it has that similar tone, like the higher pitch noise. Rather than the hum.

I think you should stop licking his arse Nar. I always speak of my experience and of actually tearing down and restoring many, many vacuums from various brands, not just giving them a wipe with a cloth. I like to think I know what I am talking about bith woth reaserch and experience with said cleaners in real life and in my own home!

Alex!


Post# 344399 , Reply# 41   2/17/2016 at 13:32 (2,988 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Bith woth? Are you drunk Alex?

Post# 344400 , Reply# 42   2/17/2016 at 13:41 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Bristol, Manchester, Sottland, etc.

Guy's, chill out! be happy! be here for fun, not to argue.
In a few years or so, you'll have kids (maybe) and bigger problems in life.
Be glad your parents survived the great recession, and hope we don't have another.


Post# 344401 , Reply# 43   2/17/2016 at 13:43 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I am not the one that makes it into an argument, I just respond to amuse myself, helps me pass the time of the pointlessness of life.

Post# 344403 , Reply# 44   2/17/2016 at 13:47 (2,988 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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The pointlessness of life. Haha

Post# 344404 , Reply# 45   2/17/2016 at 13:51 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Well it kind of is, I am not depressed, dont worry. Lol.

Post# 344405 , Reply# 46   2/17/2016 at 13:54 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Alex,

Good! It gets better! We've all been there.
Peace, laughs, etc., etc.


Post# 344406 , Reply# 47   2/17/2016 at 14:00 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
P.S.

I know I'm getting on in years, but I watched every episode of Shamelss on Netflix.
My folks grew up very poor. Not that you are, but I know how good I have it compared to some. The industrial revolution began right there in Manchester.
My area declined also, and some seniors are now worse off than before they began adult life.
That show got me through when I was on unemployment for the first time ever in a 31 year career.


Post# 344410 , Reply# 48   2/17/2016 at 14:29 (2,988 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Your own home or your parents' home?

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You always manage to cause an argument Alex, so please don't start talking out of your backside yet again.




Post# 344411 , Reply# 49   2/17/2016 at 14:43 (2,988 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        
Bristol, Manchester, Sottland, etc.

You forgot the legendary Brumtown (Birmingham) and London :o

Post# 344413 , Reply# 50   2/17/2016 at 14:45 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Sebo fan, you have just proved your own point...

Vacreator, my life is very differently from "shameless" I proudly don't live on a council estate and I don't scrounge off the government. I am rich in comparison to them, I live in a nicer part of Manchester, but I must say I think Manchester is awful, it is so common, thankfully, I am not...My parents are from Cheshire.

Alex.


Post# 344415 , Reply# 51   2/17/2016 at 14:57 (2,988 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

:o

I think Manchester is lovely, I like Stockport actually :|

Birmingham= Rough area, but it's home forever and I love it <3


Post# 344419 , Reply# 52   2/17/2016 at 15:29 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Stockport isn't bad.

Post# 344424 , Reply# 53   2/17/2016 at 16:15 (2,988 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Yep, been there last month and seemed like a nice area, I just feel like Lancashire is peaceful ;)

Have you ever been to Birmingham?


Post# 344430 , Reply# 54   2/17/2016 at 16:38 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
England, etc.

I have not had the pleasure of visiting, yet.
Alex, isn't Liverpool in Cheshire? I know that Birmingham is in Warwickshire.
I know that Stockport is nice, and the Manchester area has produced many music icons like the Smith's, etc. Manc's. can't be all bad Alex. Neither can all of Birmningham, even outside the Bull Ring. I have had the pleasure of tasting 4 year aged Shropshire cheddar from just outside Coventry.
We had huge public housing projects here, as well in Chicago. Thankfully, they are all but gone now. They were meant to replace slums, but became new slums very quickly.
Housing should be affordable, not free. So should health care, and education. Speaking of, how is it over there? I have 5th times removed cousins in Italy who say it works rather well.


Post# 344431 , Reply# 55   2/17/2016 at 16:39 (2,988 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh whatever Alex

Post# 344434 , Reply# 56   2/17/2016 at 16:45 (2,988 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
OMG

I am VERY impressed with your knowledge of the UK! You even know what Bull Ring is!

And Close :) Birmingham is near Warwickshire, but it's in the Western part of the Midlands :)


Post# 344435 , Reply# 57   2/17/2016 at 16:50 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Sebo,

Edinborough, Glasgow, or the highlands? Lowlands?
Yeah, those Red Road flats had to go also.
Edinborough is beautifull.
Why not try being supportive of one another rather than condescending?
Learn from each other.
Give Alex a chance. Same for Sebo Alex.
Nothing I don't tell my 24 year old step son.


Post# 344436 , Reply# 58   2/17/2016 at 16:55 (2,988 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Edinburgh you mean? I know Americans have problems trying to get their mouth around the word "burgh," which sounds more like "burra" than the English "borough."
No I am in the west coast, in a region called Argyll and Bute; We had a U.S Naval base here from the 1960s to the 1990s; I saw a lot of U.S vacs in the U.S homes here.


Post# 344437 , Reply# 59   2/17/2016 at 16:56 (2,988 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Vacerator, Manchester is a great city. Don't be fooled by the ignorant, uncultured and inhibited Mancunian that frequents this forum, it's great. And you're spot on, lots of great bands have come out of Manchester - The Smiths, The Stone Roses, New Order & Oasis just to name a few. As such, Manchester is a hot spot of its indie music scene and plethora of record shops & musical instrument shops. There's also a fantastic LGBT scene in Manchester, but again our resident Mancunian would argue that. Just bare in mind that double N here is particularly antisocial and seems incapable of having a conversation without making it totally negative and all about him.

Manchester, like all big cities, has it's nice parts and it's parts that aren't so nice. I challenge anyone to find a city that doesn't. But on the whole, it's a vast, multicultural, varied and vibrant city with lots to offer. Unless of course you're an a negative nit-whit that doesn't know how to interact with other people. In which case, a cardboard box in the middle of the gobi desert would be more appropriate.



Post# 344443 , Reply# 60   2/17/2016 at 17:10 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Turbo500,

Yes, that is true of all large cities. they grow old and need to be gentrified.
I live outside of Detroit. I know you've all heard about it.
A smaller city to the north, Flint has too much lead in its drinking water currently.
No doubt, a result of a century of manufacturing by General Motors of everything for cars except tires. A barren swath of concrete slabs and brown fields are all that is left of two entire miles of factories.
Once I saw a Vauxhall Victor of about 1970 vintage on the freeway with Canadian license plates. It truly is a small world.


Post# 344444 , Reply# 61   2/17/2016 at 17:13 (2,988 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Nobody mentioned Bradford? :o lol

Post# 344446 , Reply# 62   2/17/2016 at 17:23 (2,988 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Funny you should say that. The north of England is well known for its industrial history. The north east for coal mining and the north west for mills & factories. The area I'm from was, at the height of the industrial revolution, the capital of the wool industry in Europe. With the decline in manufacture in England, closure of coal mines and move of production over seas, especially in the 1980's under the Thatcher government, we saw a lot of deprevation and depression. Things are picking up. Leeds, which was formerly a landmark for the wool trade, has established itself with a strong financial industry. Many small towns and villages that were formerly mining towns are built to house mill workers, have been swallowed up to become part of the bigger cities. We're still largely neglected in the north by the Tory government, but I do think we're in a better position than we were 10 years ago.

Post# 344448 , Reply# 63   2/17/2016 at 17:27 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Bradford, etc. burrough

I know of Bradford.
Sebo, yes, over here we have Pittsburgh for example which is made up of many smaller burroughs. In Michigan they are called townships. Six miles square each roughly, and six of those make up a county roughly.
As for our LGBT community, as the economic climate declined, much of it left, except for those of us who are established. We couldn't sell our homes anyway for much more than a loss. I have a few friends in Florida, California, Texas, Chicago, Atlanta Georgia.


Post# 344449 , Reply# 64   2/17/2016 at 17:27 (2,988 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Tayyab, I'm from Bradford. Although I don't live there now, I have lots of family around that area.

Bradford gets a bad reputation, largely due to the riots in 2001 and ethnic segregation, but like all cities, it has it's nice parts and it's bad parts. And the city centre is just the same as every other British city with a Next, Topshop, Primark, Starbucks, McDonalds etc.


Post# 344450 , Reply# 65   2/17/2016 at 17:34 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Turbo500,

Yes, I am aware of the industrial heritage there. The first metal chain was made in Manchester.
My dad left me war of 1812 sword, made in Birmingham, by Wooley's of "new improved steel". He bought it at a flea market from a Canadian. It is in excellent shape, in the original metal sheath.
Since I have been retired, I have street traveled and overhead viewed so many places on Google maps and Bing maps.
So many more than I will ever get to visit.
If I want to learn about a person, place, or thing, I look it up.


Post# 344451 , Reply# 66   2/17/2016 at 17:36 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Chris what gives you the right, I live in the dam place, it is grotty and full of people that can't pronounce words properly. the suburbs, are not so bad, the city centre is just chocablock at best and generally not a nice place to be. Stockport, Hyde, Trafford are better for shopping and such.

Post# 344452 , Reply# 67   2/17/2016 at 17:43 (2,988 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Cool Chris :D
I never knew that, but I thought it had a bad reputation for it's chavvy teenagers and high levels of crime which sounds exactly like Birmingham but never understood why that city is more hated lol

I been to Bradford a few years ago for a wedding, it's not bad actually!

Also, kind of off topic, but don't you love a Brummie accent? :D

A "cup of tea" is pronounced like "Kipper tie"


Post# 344453 , Reply# 68   2/17/2016 at 17:44 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Thatcher

In my honest opinion, from what I have read, it seems to me that Maggie made way too many cuts. Pulling in the Falklands Royal navy brigade led to a rebellion and a war which cost more than her cuts saved, not to mention lives. The very wealthy got their tax cuts, but they cut as many jobs still. That was the true winter of discontent. I still can't imagine all your power plants were out of coal so often, at the same time, requiring rolling black outs. Nor the shutting down of water main pumps. Read between the lines and do the math.
Yet again, was it not a Liberal British Rail chief who actually made it profitable as a private company? When the diesel fast train came along. I read that. I'm into European trains also. Since before the Eurostar moved from Waterloo station to the remodeled Kings Cross/St.Pancras in London.


Post# 344454 , Reply# 69   2/17/2016 at 17:45 (2,988 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Vacerator, that's great that you look into the history of places. If you get the chance, you should travel and see some of these places.

I'm very lucky where I live. Close enough to big cities like Leeds & Manchester (which is within an hours train ride away) to experience the bright lights and hustle & bustle of the city life, but right on my doorstep is the Yorkshire moors and the Yorkshire dales - areas of true natural beauty, rolling hills and quaint villages.

I've spent many good time in both the cities and the countryside. I was actually in Manchester just the other week - firstly for a gig at the O2 Accademy and then again the week after for some shopping and I night out on the town.


Post# 344455 , Reply# 70   2/17/2016 at 17:46 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I am not even that mancunion, I have traits of it, but I am not full on common, hearing the mancunion accent makes me want to slit my wrists, Ancoats is the worst for full on Manchester accent.

Where I am from, Denton, people tend to talk more like I do, still mancunion, more suttle and not as broad.


Post# 344456 , Reply# 71   2/17/2016 at 17:47 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Close enough to big cities like Leeds & Manchester

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Please don't remind me.

Post# 344459 , Reply# 72   2/17/2016 at 17:54 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Alex, Turbo,

keep reading. you'll grow to like more of the world. I like you all. Good people!
Turbo, Gig? are you a musician?
Have you visited Stratford upon Avon?
I adore Spode' bone china, and Smallbone cabinetry, and AGA cookers.
See Alex, I, we, are not common.


Post# 344460 , Reply# 73   2/17/2016 at 17:56 (2,988 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Vacerator, you certainly know your history, bravo! It sounds like you know far more than some of our own population.

Now, Thatcher. Some hail her as a pioneer. Others detest her. As the child of a single working parent under her Government from a Northern, working class background, I cannot bring myself to support her or our current Tory prime minister. Under the Tory government, the rich get richer and the poorer working classes foot the bill. When Mrs. Thatcher came into power, we were in a mess. We were broke, for a start. By privitising pretty much everything - transport, British Gas, BT, the electricity board etc and selling off huge chunks of our trade and industry, she got us out of a mess at the time. But only for the short term. She destroyed our industry, meaning our once vibrant country no longer exported anything to make a healthy profit on and plunged us into more debt.

Just my 2 penneth on the matter lol. I'm a Labour supporter so the right wingers may disagree


Post# 344461 , Reply# 74   2/17/2016 at 18:02 (2,988 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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No, I'm not a musician. I was there to see someone else play :).

I have been to Stratford, yes. Beautiful place!

AGA cookers, you say? My in laws have an Aga. They're gorgeous but very tricky to cook with if you're not used to them.

Alex criticising someone for being common? Hypocrite.

I'm from a council estate in Bradford and proud of it. And hey, even us poor council housed families had skirting boards and carpet that actually fitted and wasn't thread bare. Unlike some.


Post# 344462 , Reply# 75   2/17/2016 at 18:04 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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"It's Bloody THATCHER!! it's her, Ben, it is! She's messed everything up, all the hospitals, the buses, British Telecom and the schools, is there anything she hasn't interfered in? I'm surprised she didn't go around to peoples houses in the middle of the night....(imitating Thatcher's voice) Hello, I'm here to rearrange your furniture, I'm afraid its FARRR too comfortable the way it is, let me nail your chairs to the ceiling, they'll be FAR more efficient"

Anyone know where that is from ;)



Post# 344463 , Reply# 76   2/17/2016 at 18:37 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Thatcher, etc., cont.

Good one Alex!
Turbo, I was born in a coal mine hamlet outside of Pittsburgh Pa. My dad grew up there. Depression kids. Outhouses, no natural gas, other than from those.
The only heat for the two storey four room semi detached duplex with shingle siding was from the kitchen wood or coal stove. Eight kids in that house.
After WWII, they got central gas heat, and converted their pantry's into bathrooms. They had to dig septic tanks. Bath tubs or showers had to go in the basements.
We left in 1966. I was raised form then in a suburban 1943 G.I. tract house.
950 sq. feet. 1.5 storey, they call it a cape cod. Asbestos siding (yes, and it is still on it) 3 bedrooms, small kitchen, living room, basement recreation space.
Family of seven.
My parents were able to upgrade to a slightly larger brick home in 1978 by assuming the sellers mortgage at 6%, as new mortgages were around 12%.
They died there.


Post# 344475 , Reply# 77   2/17/2016 at 20:41 (2,988 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Whose words are you using, Alex? You weren't even born in the period that Thatcher ruled!

I, on the other hand was.


Post# 344477 , Reply# 78   2/17/2016 at 20:49 (2,988 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I am sure you were, I was born in the 90s and do remeber them, just!

It is a quote from an episode of 2 Point 4 Children.


Post# 344489 , Reply# 79   2/18/2016 at 04:22 (2,987 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I thought it had a bad reputation for it's chavvy teenagers and high levels of crime

Tayyab, that could be any British city you're describing there. On balance of the population being denser in big cities than it is in smaller towns and villages, there is of course higher crime rates and "chavvy teenagers". But that's the same for most cities. I wouldn't say Bradford has a higher rate of crime or more chavs than any other big city.

 

Like everywhere, it has it's nice places. The inner-city suburbs are a bit dodgey, and there's a huge estate called Ravenscliffe that frankly I wouldn't set foot in, but there's also some really nice places too.


Post# 344493 , Reply# 80   2/18/2016 at 04:54 (2,987 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Ravenscliffe, etc.

Didn't BBC do a documentary on that housing estate? part of the series, "the great estate"?
I realize Britain had to replace so many WWII destroyed houses, so large estates were needed. However, Shoddy site built concrete panels that fit together poorly and dampness transmitted to the inside walls leading to mold problems led to their demise.
Part of Park Hill in Sheffield has been gentrified. I don't understand why a well built pre 1960 estate in London can't be saved. The name escapes me at the moment.
It's near the BBC at the north end of Wood lane.
Across the Thames, in Southwark council, near Elephant & Castle, the Heygate estate is a memory.
Chicago had Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor homes. St. Louis had Pruitt Igoe. More like prisons. After seeing those, I'm not a fan of high density housing.


Post# 344494 , Reply# 81   2/18/2016 at 04:57 (2,987 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
"the british family in retrospect"

They also did several then and now documentaries from the Edwardian period to the present day.

Post# 344497 , Reply# 82   2/18/2016 at 05:27 (2,987 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Ravenscliffe

Giant rats? But new homes are also being built there now.
During Thatcher's council ownership for tenants sell off, many who bought their units found themselves priced out of the market when their buildings were condemned.


Post# 344503 , Reply# 83   2/18/2016 at 06:16 (2,987 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Giant rats?

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That's the place! New houses have been built on the Greengates side of Rave-o (as it's known locally), but the middle and top end of the area are still pretty horrific. For a long term, our local bus company refused to serve the area after 6pm.


Post# 344506 , Reply# 84   2/18/2016 at 06:52 (2,987 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Turbo500?

Near to where you grew up, or live now?

Post# 344518 , Reply# 85   2/18/2016 at 08:59 (2,987 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Ravenscliffe is near to where I grew up. Actually, not that near - otherside of Bradford to where I'm from. Some relatives on my Dad's side of the family used to live there though.

 

I live near Skipton now.


Post# 344519 , Reply# 86   2/18/2016 at 09:06 (2,987 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I thought this was a site for discussing vacuum cleaners?

Post# 344522 , Reply# 87   2/18/2016 at 09:22 (2,987 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I thought this was a site for discussing vacuum cleaners?

Funny Marcus, I thought you'd been banned?


Post# 344527 , Reply# 88   2/18/2016 at 10:56 (2,987 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Oh nasty Nancy!
I very well behaved now :-)


Post# 344532 , Reply# 89   2/18/2016 at 11:11 (2,987 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Banned?

We may all be, but we are discussing vacuums. Do not all houses have them to clean with? As you said last evening,(here)much later there by at least 4 hours; even though some live in council houses, they are still done up to the Nine's with quality carpets, etc.
Back in 1993, my ex of eleven years dumped me for a kid 8 years my junior, and I was 4 years my exes junior.
My counselor told me not to make any major decisions for a year, so I put my equity from the house in the bank. I am a model railroader as well, and I wasn't leaving my HO scale Bavarian themed lay out behind. I rented the cheapest apartment I could find. One bedroom (large) about 850 sq. feet. No pool, no balcony. In an older, but still safe (then) area. I set that up in the living room (lounge). I ate off a small drop leaf table. Not about to go without my beloved hobby all cold winter. I also took both vacuum cleaners.


Post# 344534 , Reply# 90   2/18/2016 at 11:15 (2,987 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Toot toot :-)

Post# 344541 , Reply# 91   2/18/2016 at 12:51 (2,987 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Aha!

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2point4 children!! Such a great show. It is indeed bloody Thatcher.

Post# 344542 , Reply# 92   2/18/2016 at 12:55 (2,987 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Well evidently not Marcus if you insist on policing other people's conversations. Let it flow 😜

Jacob, what's 2.4 got to do with it?


Post# 344544 , Reply# 93   2/18/2016 at 13:09 (2,987 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Thatcher was not responsible for the end of our many industries, the unions were. It were the unions who were striking all the time, over "not enough sugar in the jars" at the Ford factory in Durham for example, silly things like that.

My late father, who was 71 when i he passed away 18 months ago, was from that time. He remembered the piles of rubbish in the streets, the crumbling roads, the fact you could only us electricity certain times of the day, you cold only have a few inches of bath water the list goes on and on. That was until Thatcher.

She came from a working background. She introduced the right to buy and help the buy schemes. the shifted people living standards. The poor were less poor, the richer were richer.

She wouldn't put up with the unions holding this country to ransom ever winter. She stopped Britain going down the path of Greece and Spain.

Oh and on top of all of that, she protected the Falkland islands and put the Argies in their place.


Post# 344545 , Reply# 94   2/18/2016 at 13:12 (2,987 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I'm no fan of Maggie Thatcher but you can't keep subsidising unprofitable businesses can you.
Britain was the sick man of Europe in the 70s and it was mostly down to powerful unions. That had to change.


Post# 344547 , Reply# 95   2/18/2016 at 13:24 (2,987 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Well said Mr Olive oil :-)

Post# 344548 , Reply# 96   2/18/2016 at 13:31 (2,987 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Unions, etc.

The conservatives (many do) not all blame all the fault on the unions.
Hold on now? At least here, since 1980, many gave back concessions to keep their jobs. Lee Iacoca paid back the Chrysler loan guarantees to the government early in fact, before 1983.
What helped do that was the modest price of K cars and their first mini vans.
Also the fact we still had a fairly prosperous middle class.
Two tier labor contracts came about in 1987, causing dissention among the ranks, but it kept companies profitable, and still brought in union dues.
Some of the fault is to be validly blamed on unions, but not all of it.
Excess Greed mostly. We sent hundreds of thousands of jobs to Mexico, Japan, then Taiwan, Korea, and then China. You would think profits would be sky high with cheap labor. Yet, General Motors went bankrupt in May 2009, and Chrysler a second time. They caused trickle down unemployment of over 35% of their own customers. Then the banks. A $200 billion dollar tarp rescue bailed them all out.
Now they are profitable again, and employees received big profit sharing dividends this year. What I find also mazing id that the government has not faultered one iota in operating, nor paying benefits to indigent people.
We still have an illegal alien problem from south of our border because those jobs we sent there pay them lousy, so they sneak up here.


Post# 344549 , Reply# 97   2/18/2016 at 13:36 (2,987 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I'm afraid left wing policies have never worked and never will.
The middle ground is the place to be.


Post# 344550 , Reply# 98   2/18/2016 at 13:37 (2,987 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Can we get back to vacuums now this is not a political forum.

Post# 344560 , Reply# 99   2/18/2016 at 14:57 (2,987 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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No, this is not a political forum but this is what conversation does.

You are right, sebo4me. Liberalism has never worked and never will. A majority of the world has conservative, right-wing government. Liberalism is a fairytale, ideal, something that doesnt exist but whos supporters want to exist.

It was in fact a labour government (left wing, kind of like democrats in the US) that sold most of the UK's gold reserves when gold prices were at a record low and who gave away control of our boarders, responsible for million of net immigration numbers into this country overwhelming every part of our life. These are facts.

Relating this back to vacuums and what i said about buying a western made product over a Chinese one, there is nothing wrong with that. I dont care if the Chinese product has a metal sole plate, they will find ways to cut corners. Plastics which are marked up "ABS" are in fact not ABS plastic, but a cheap tacky backalit type with lead in them. The Chinese do this.


Post# 344565 , Reply# 100   2/18/2016 at 16:29 (2,987 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
ABS plastic

ABS plastic is not the trouble. Miele uses it. General Electric chemists figured out how to make it more resiliant to impact by adding polymers.
Balance is the key to a successful economic system. If you put garbage in, wether it is left or right winged , all you get is garbage back out, as we all saw last decade.
I support capitalism, as long as it works. I do not like Chinese type commie block housing, nor GYRO or welfare slackers who are able to work.
I will close this discussion by saying that those who are low income earners but work and are productive deserve a better standard of living than they currently have in the USA.
Nothing an be free, but it can be more affordable. Folks do not send kids to college on $25 thousand gross annum income.


Post# 344589 , Reply# 101   2/19/2016 at 00:10 (2,986 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Chris

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It was mentioned above by Alex, he quoted the bit when Bill is in the hospital complaining about 'Bloody Thatcher'.

Post# 344598 , Reply# 102   2/19/2016 at 05:44 (2,986 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Jacob, Sebo, Turbo500, etc.;

Nice green upright. is that a Hoover, or a Lux product?
I know, the few of us had a go around with the Thatcher subject, etc.
I used to wonder who did her grocery shopping, and wether they did it at Morrisons, Sainsbury's, or Tesco. I doubt she had the time once she made it to Parlaiment. So there was another job created with social public supported tax money.
Question if I may to Sebo, Turbo500, etc.
If the wealthiest continually get wealthier, while the working class continually get's poorer, is that not Liberal of they, the wealthiest?


Post# 344680 , Reply# 103   2/20/2016 at 05:49 (2,985 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The upright is a Hoover Turbopower U2332, 1986 - 89.

RE: Mrs. Thatchers shopping habits, back in those, Morrisons didn't exist down south and Sainsburys didn't exist in the North. The south was all Sainsburys and Somerfield, whereas up here, we had Morrisons and Asda. Tesco was fairly nation-wide at the time. We also had Presto's and Gateway which were largely northern-based, and nationwide Fine Fare, all of which are now defunct.

The regional supermarkets aren't really a thing anymore, with the exception of Fulton's which don't operate down south.

I suspect Maggie T would've had her shopping delivered from Harrods or Fortnum & Mason. Possibly Waitrose. London-based and very high end.


Post# 344688 , Reply# 104   2/20/2016 at 06:28 (2,985 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Turbo500, shopping

Harrods of course! I've heard of Waitrose. Do they carry a lot of organics, like our Whole Foods here? We also have Trader Joes, a high end subsidiary of Aldi now.
ASDA is Walmart if you don't already know.
Tesco is supposed to be coming to the States.
Kroger is nearly the largest food retailer now, having bought so many former family owned chains up.
Safeway has been bought by a venture capital firm, I think maybe Cerberus. No, they have sold it again to an international concern.
That leaves Albertsons from Denver Colorado and west as the other largest domestic owned chain. The mid west and east is either Kroger, Meijer in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana, Giant Eagle from eastern Ohio into Pennsylvania. One family owned chain in western NY state survives, Wegmanns. Voted number one to work for.
The Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea co. has become rather small. Having gone through bankruptcy last decade, losing several of it's former banners. The former German Haub family totally divested. they were known as Tangleman/Haub in Germany.
In the way down south, it's Piggly Wigly, and Winn Dixie, and of course, Kroger.
A discount dept. store chain, Target, has also entered food retail.


Post# 344690 , Reply# 105   2/20/2016 at 06:51 (2,985 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

You forgot about Waitrose! :o

Post# 344692 , Reply# 106   2/20/2016 at 08:07 (2,985 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Paewaz86,

I also forgot about Publix, a very large Florida based chain which also operates in Georgia.

Post# 344696 , Reply# 107   2/20/2016 at 08:25 (2,985 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Sainsbury's is the most classy and upmarket, big supermarket! Waitrose is okay, it is like M&S, couldn't do my whole shop there, they don't really have a large variety.

I couldnt shop at Asda, so, so common!


Post# 344698 , Reply# 108   2/20/2016 at 08:31 (2,985 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
ASDA, Alex;

I also never shop at Walmart. Here, it is below common. Trailer trash. May as well be in old Peckham on the gang infested estate.

Post# 344700 , Reply# 109   2/20/2016 at 08:37 (2,985 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Asda has everything! Been to Tesco and its friggin like 3X more expensive than Asda! Like £2.79 for a bottle of coke, but 99P in Asda

Post# 344702 , Reply# 110   2/20/2016 at 08:41 (2,985 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
shoppimg, cont.

speaking of shopping, time to head to my local Meijer, then Target. Then I may head over to the Sommerset mall for some spring wardrobe items.
Nordstrom store, and Nieman Markus (needless markup). Comparable to Selfridges or Marks and Spencer.
Did you know Mr. Selfridge was born in Chicago, and got his start from his wife's fathers money? They were a Jackson Michigan banking family.


Post# 344705 , Reply# 111   2/20/2016 at 09:30 (2,985 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Are you too good for asda then, Alex? You do realise they sell all manner of branded goods. I find tesco has actually got trashy and i certainly wouldn't call sainsburys upmarket.

I actually enjoy shopping in Lidl, although i find all of this varies from store to store. My local lidl, you find expensive, new cars parked outside, and nearly all of the doctors at my GP shop there as well. If the Germans wont put up with crappy cars or vacuums, they are not going to put up with crappy food.


Post# 344706 , Reply# 112   2/20/2016 at 09:47 (2,985 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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We shop at either Sainsbury's or Aldi. Purely because they're nearest to our house. I do like Morrisons though, especially the fresh fish counter!

In my experience, there's absolutely no difference between any of the big 4 (Tesco, Sainsburys, Asda and Morrisons). They're all much of a muchness. Their own brand stuff varies, but for branded items, there's very little difference.

I'm not keen on the layout and decor of Asda near us and our nearest Tesco, despite having a great world foods section, is always very messy and the staff are quite rude and unhelpful. It's like a bloody car boot sale sometimes with things thrown all over the place and people snatching and grabbing around you. But in terms of the products they sell, they're all pretty much the same.

Tayyab, 1.75ltr Coke-Cola in Tesco is £1.95 vs Asda which is £1.75, so I think you were exaggerating a little there. It's currently on 2 for £2 in Tescos.

Waitrose is definitely the nicest shopping experience, but it's expensive. Having said that, it's still cheap than the Co-Op!


Post# 344708 , Reply# 113   2/20/2016 at 10:39 (2,985 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I shop in Asda, I shop in Tesco, I shop in Sainburys.
I'm losing the will to live! Yawn yawn!


Post# 344710 , Reply# 114   2/20/2016 at 10:51 (2,985 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Aldi's is great as we have one not to far from where I live also Sav-A-Lot isn't bad also.

Post# 344711 , Reply# 115   2/20/2016 at 10:59 (2,985 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Oh are we boring you, Marcus? Nobody is forcing you to read this. If you're bored, the simple solution is to stop reading, go do something else and let us carry on our conversation.

Post# 344721 , Reply# 116   2/20/2016 at 11:41 (2,985 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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You sound like a bunch of women. Haha

Post# 344724 , Reply# 117   2/20/2016 at 12:34 (2,985 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
HaHa? Aldi Yes also!!!

No, not women. Just keeping up appearances like Hyacinth Bouqe't.
I do like Aldi as well. They hardly ever have the Duetsche Cook brand of Spaetzel
or the small chocolate covered cookies though from Germany. The sauer kraut is also delicious.
Germans do not tolerate bad food. I make Munchner schnitzel, and sauer braten every October for Oktoberfest. With celery root, but not ginger snaps. Almond sour cream bundt cake with Nutella filling.


Post# 344725 , Reply# 118   2/20/2016 at 12:40 (2,985 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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I'm out on the town now guys or should I say women :-)
Enjoy your supermarket chat


Post# 344732 , Reply# 119   2/20/2016 at 13:25 (2,985 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Asda, Lidl and Aldi are bellow me. I refuse to shop there, it is just so cheap and nasty, at Sainsbury's you get anbetter class of people and that is the truth, as the riff raff can't afford to shop there. I have a big Sainsburys about 5 minutes from my house. Thankfully there is not an Asda in my town, Denton.

Post# 344734 , Reply# 120   2/20/2016 at 13:41 (2,985 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Frankly anyone who ignores a shop brand in the UK are fooling themselves.

In my experience it doesn't matter what brand it is; at the end of the day if a supermarket rivals another on price, then perhaps it is worth looking at.

In the UK we have only become accustomed to the term "trailer trash," in maybe the last ten years.

I really dont mind where I shop; a pint of milk is still the same from any one of the brands mentioned here.


Post# 344736 , Reply# 121   2/20/2016 at 14:05 (2,985 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Well I slightly disagree there Nar. The milk farmer scandal last year was a perfect example. To you, that pint of milk may not make any difference, but some supermarkets were robbing the farming industry with the low prices they were paying for the produce.

I like both Aldi & Lidl. They do some great products. In my experience, people who complain about them being too cheap & nasty have a. Never shopped their and are making a sweeping generalisation or b. Don't have to do their own shopping and have no idea how to manage a budget.

In reality, Aldi inparticular is becoming very middle class. See link.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK


Post# 344740 , Reply# 122   2/20/2016 at 14:34 (2,985 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hate to say it Chris, but in my experience THEY all rob local producers with only a few exceptions. I know from experience about the farmer down the road who sold off his dairy farm years ago when our local Morrison's were selling milk far cheaper than his own prices and Morrison's had the cheek to buy in FROM HIM for his buttermilk product because of locality when their own products were known to go off.

In Scotland we have other sub-supermarket brands but they are far and few between from the major suppliers such as ASDA or Tesco who sell vacuums. Other Tesco outlets take into consideration what regions have already in terms of local producers but some other supermarkets dont.



Post# 344741 , Reply# 123   2/20/2016 at 14:35 (2,985 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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In addition, the supermarkets near me dont stock half the stuff that their counterparts in England sell, so its very much a shop "around" job if you are looking for something in particular that local shops don't have.

Post# 344743 , Reply# 124   2/20/2016 at 14:44 (2,985 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Sebo, Turbo500,

Do they have Costco over there, or other warehouse type membership stores?
We also have small, or family owned gourmet and ethnic food stores, mostly Italian, polish, and some mid eastern. No Scotch eggs to be found here though.
Walmart here mainly sells all low end stuff. Anything quality the carry costs as much there as in an upscale store.


Post# 344746 , Reply# 125   2/20/2016 at 14:53 (2,985 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I wondered when the name Costco would come about...From memory when I had a card, the vacuums on sale were good value as well as several types of household appliance.

Costco are good but you need to buy a trader account or card to gain entry to their stores. This means in reality businesses only although in recent years Costco invite private consumers who may not own a business to join but are an employee of a company.


Post# 344748 , Reply# 126   2/20/2016 at 15:49 (2,985 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I remember Costco right back to the early 2000's.

Post# 344749 , Reply# 127   2/20/2016 at 16:01 (2,985 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Who buys only a pint of milk at a time?

I buy milk a gallon at a time. 1 gallon lasts me about 7-10 days.

 


Post# 344751 , Reply# 128   2/20/2016 at 16:18 (2,985 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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7-10 days? Are you crazy? once it is open, it will only last about 3-4 days!

Most people, myself included by 2 pints of milk, the biggest ones are 4 pint bottles.


Post# 344754 , Reply# 129   2/20/2016 at 16:35 (2,985 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Alex, What temp in degrees fahrenheit, do you keep your fridge set at? I keep mine at 38f.

Also is your milk pasteurized?

My milk is stamped on the plastic jug a "sell by" date but it is expected to last 1 week past the sell by date. I buy my milk at least a week before the sell by date so it should last at least 2 weeks from the date that I buy it.

 


Post# 344756 , Reply# 130   2/20/2016 at 17:08 (2,985 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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We get Yeo Valley milk in a 4 pint bottle. Lasts around a week.

Stan, the expression "a pint of milk" is a British term. It doesn't necessarily mean a pint, it usually means 1 bottle regardless of the size. It comes from the days of doorstep milk delivery which used to come in glass pint bottles, so one would order it in X pints, which meant X bottles.


Post# 344759 , Reply# 131   2/20/2016 at 17:31 (2,985 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Fridge is kept at 4 degrees cent and the freezer is -18 degrees cent, dunno about fahrenheit, we don't use that.

Post# 344761 , Reply# 132   2/20/2016 at 17:34 (2,985 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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It actually has a USE BY date and one opened, it will say on the bottle use within x number of days, any fresh perishable produce has a "use by" and "once opened use within" information.

I did food safety and hygiene at college :P I am a fully qualified baker :P :)


Post# 344762 , Reply# 133   2/20/2016 at 17:51 (2,985 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Frige temp, Alex,

I know many British kitchens have small refrigerators, so daily trips to the market are necessary.
As opposed to here, ours is a large side by side of 26 cubic feet. Most have more than one frige even, in the basement , or garage. Plus, a deep freezer.
Those are needed for the annual deer hunting takes.


Post# 344764 , Reply# 134   2/20/2016 at 17:57 (2,985 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Our fridges are actually bigger in terms of storage space than a lot of the US ones. I have a large fridge in the kitchen and a chest freezer in the garage.

Post# 344766 , Reply# 135   2/20/2016 at 18:01 (2,985 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

We have 2 fridges, both of which are large! I am currently 6 ft tall and both my fridges are taller than me, we have a British design fridge frezer and an American style Samsung fridge freezer

Post# 344770 , Reply# 136   2/20/2016 at 19:04 (2,985 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Pretty inaccurate assumption of our fridges and freezers you have their Vacerator. One thing that windows me up is when some Americans think that everything in the US is bigger than anywhere else when in fact we do have 8, 9 and in some cases 10KG washing machines and as mentioned, large fridge freezers.

I have a standard size Bosch bridge freezer which is 6'4 inches tall, sot people here do shopping weekly, some do their once fortnightly.

Even things like milk; Americans seem to assume we buy only 1 or 2 pints at a time, which may have been the case when milkmen were more popular, but most people here buy 4 pints at a time. There are also 6 pints you can get but 4 pint cartons fit in fridges better and are easier to pour.




Post# 344776 , Reply# 137   2/20/2016 at 22:55 (2,985 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        
Yes & to further this thread off topic

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I can't wait to get an AGA my neighbor just got one & reminds me of the one I used when I was over there a long time ago. Nothing like have heat at the ready anytime. I can't stand what's here

Post# 344800 , Reply# 138   2/21/2016 at 07:29 (2,984 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Aga, friges, etc.

Oliveo, maybe I've only seen movies, shows, and photos of smaller British kitchens then. I wasn't trying to window you up.
The house I grew up in, although fully detached, had a tiny kitchen. But with a family of 7, we had a huge frige.
SMEG's aren't small.
Does the tall European Bosch, etc. ones's hold a gallon of milk in the door though?
Mark, AGA cookers are great! I'd get a cobalt blue one, but they cost about $10,000 over here. I have a nice 30 inch built in dual fuel convection range, and a vintage Tappan gallery gas in the basement with the electric glass warming shelf, burner with a brain, integral ventilation fan, self clean oven, and waist high broiler.


Post# 344811 , Reply# 139   2/21/2016 at 09:23 (2,984 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
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Chris, thank you for explaining the term "pint" to me. It all makes sense nowembarassed


Post# 344813 , Reply# 140   2/21/2016 at 09:44 (2,984 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Don't be scared by the term pint either. It is still an imperial measurement ! 1 US gallon is around 6 pints.

My Bosch will hold 4 4 pints in the door or 2 6 pints.


Post# 344823 , Reply# 141   2/21/2016 at 11:10 (2,984 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Pints, etc.

oliveo, is an imperial pint close to ours? I wish we'd just progress and go on the metric system.
Here, two pints make one quart. Four quarts make one gallon.
Two cups make one pint.


Post# 344826 , Reply# 142   2/21/2016 at 11:24 (2,984 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Im not too sure to be honest. Britain is a hybrid of imperial and metric, like India for example. We use litres to measure our fuel for example, but all our road signs are in miles and yards. In fact a sign post was put up using meters in a town centre not far from me and the council got in trouble for it.

Thing is, things like cups we dont use, but I dont hear of Americans using yards or acres either, yet they are both imperial measurements.

Ask someone here their height or weight and they will more then often reply in feet, inches, stones and pounds.



Post# 344827 , Reply# 143   2/21/2016 at 11:49 (2,984 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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We do use cups, cup measures are very readily available on the home isle in most shops.

Post# 344829 , Reply# 144   2/21/2016 at 12:11 (2,984 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Here in Canada we put another twist on buying milk. As well as buying milk in different sized cartons, we also get milk in plastic bags. A purchase consists of 3 bags totaling 4 litres so each bag is 1.33 litres.

Gary


Post# 344834 , Reply# 145   2/21/2016 at 13:35 (2,984 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
we also get milk in plastic bags.

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How do you pour milk out of a bag?

Our milk comes in 3 sized plastic jugs, quart, half gallon, and gallon.

 

 


Post# 344843 , Reply# 146   2/21/2016 at 14:53 (2,984 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Milk in bags, etc.

I'm not surprised Gary, Wine comes in bags in boxes, why not milk?
Yes, the once needed milk man. My first house had a milk chute next to the side door. I removed it and pout in a beaded glass block.
In England, they had milk floats which were either electric or gas powered.
The milk man rode those all over, and even on the various floors of "streets in the sky" housing estates like Park Hill in Sheffield. I guess they had a large lift?


Post# 344845 , Reply# 147   2/21/2016 at 15:37 (2,984 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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The milk bag is inserted into a milk jug...usually plastic or ceramic that is reusable. The one I use is ceramic.

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Post# 344847 , Reply# 148   2/21/2016 at 17:10 (2,984 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Actually we used to get bagged milk in Scotland in the 1980s. Not sure if it was a national thing.

The local cats (including mine) had a field day as it was thin plastic and they could paw open the milk and drink from it!!

Plastic bagged milk. I have never quite forgotten it. The primary schools also had mini sachets of milk provided with mini plastic holders.

Every household got a myriad of stock matt coloured plastic holders at a cost of 50p or something like that - an oval shaped open plastic narrow bucket that held the plastic bag in and allowed it to remain upright when poured.


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Post# 344863 , Reply# 149   2/21/2016 at 21:56 (2,984 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Those plastic holders are the most common type used here as well. We have had bagged milk for as long as I can remember, at least 40 years I think.

Post# 344868 , Reply# 150   2/21/2016 at 22:24 (2,984 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I haven't seen much of plastic bagged milk in my local supermarkets; the Tetra Pak, un-clear plastic bottles and cartons of various shapes are more common. I guess it comes down to customer demand and possible scare mongering in the past when clear plastic bodied foods can be tainted when left out in light.

Personally I prefer cartons; much more practical and less difficult to open and pour.


Post# 344893 , Reply# 151   2/22/2016 at 07:21 (2,983 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Actually I find cartons more difficult to open and store....with the bag just snip of a corner. As for pouring, it is very easy using the bag holder. And the bags are easy to store in the fridge. Much less waste when putting in the garbage as well.

Post# 344896 , Reply# 152   2/22/2016 at 08:58 (2,983 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Have you seen the price if cheese?

Post# 344901 , Reply# 153   2/22/2016 at 09:51 (2,983 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Cheese, etc.

Our US food prices increased also. Mainly beef. Eggs rose slightly also.

Post# 344903 , Reply# 154   2/22/2016 at 09:56 (2,983 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Gary,

What Ontario supermarkets exist since Dominion went away?

Post# 344907 , Reply# 155   2/22/2016 at 11:02 (2,983 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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There is Sobeys, No Frills, YIG (Your Independent Grocer), Metro, Food Basics, Superstore, Freshmart, Loblaws and many more.

Post# 344926 , Reply# 156   2/22/2016 at 13:42 (2,983 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
stores, cont.

Gary, I thought Food Basics was gone! Who owns them now? A&P tried that banner here and it flopped. I figured since they ditched Dominion, they ditched that also.
Loblaws still also? No kidding? That was also an A&P banner.
I didn't know Metro was in Ontario. I thought Quebec.
I was a district manager for an A&P owned chain until 2007. They dumped us for 140 Pathmark stores in NY, and NJ, then the whole outfit filed chapter 11 Jan 1, 2010.
I'm glad I'm finished with it. I missed the people for the first few years really badly. I took another job in '08 for way way less, but even worse, it just wasn't the same. No appreciation.


Post# 344935 , Reply# 157   2/22/2016 at 14:29 (2,983 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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There is a Food Basics store here. I just did a google search for grocery stores in Ontario and came up with the list

CLICK HERE TO GO TO countryguy's LINK


Post# 344954 , Reply# 158   2/22/2016 at 16:23 (2,983 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Gary,

Thank's for that list.

Post# 344978 , Reply# 159   2/22/2016 at 19:02 (2,983 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        
Actually, in the U.S. ...

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"but I dont hear of Americans using yards or acres either, yet they are both imperial measurements. "

Those are everyday terms. Carpeting, flooring, and fabric are just a few of the items sold daily by the yard.
And property sales always include information about acreage included, even if it's a postage stamps size lot.


Post# 344981 , Reply# 160   2/22/2016 at 19:18 (2,983 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Acres, yards, etc.

True Delaney, we don't use hectares, yet. Selling fabric by the meter might get all the fashion designers in a tizzy for a bit.


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