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Thread Number: 31029
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Sebo X4 Premium Pet |
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| Post# 342871 2/4/2016 at 23:35 (3,001 days old) by Vacmaster (San Diego) | ||
After many years hearing only good things about the Sebo automatic x4 series I finally got one to try for myself, and so far I really like it. I think the overall design was very well thought through and it is a very sleek and stylish machine. Mine came with the extension hose and turbo nozzle and I also have the service box aswell as the Sebo fresh tabs which add a pleasant scent to the air. Tell me about your experience with the Sebo automatic X Series.
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| Post# 342886 , Reply# 1 2/5/2016 at 12:31 (3,001 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
 Well, where to start.
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| Post# 342899 , Reply# 2 2/5/2016 at 14:25 (3,001 days old) by Vacmaster (San Diego) | ||
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| Post# 342903 , Reply# 3 2/5/2016 at 16:35 (3,001 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 342940 , Reply# 4 2/5/2016 at 20:37 (3,000 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
I was a classic vintage Hoover fan for many years - it was my parents who owned a SEBO X1 from new and I didn't really know the brand other than being commercially based and didn't really use it much because they gave me all their old Hoover vacs and where I got into collecting them.
Our old X1 is just about 21, 22 years old and has had one drive belt replacement due to my error when my parents eventually allowed me to use it. It just keeps going on and on without any major problem. I have a Felix myself which I prefer (its 8 years old). They just seem to outlast a lot of everything else I have owned. | ||
| Post# 344788 , Reply# 6 2/21/2016 at 02:00 (2,985 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 344812 , Reply# 7 2/21/2016 at 09:29 (2,985 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
Sebo still the king of uprights 10 years from now.  | ||
Post# 344919 , Reply# 8 2/22/2016 at 13:28 (2,984 days old) by Durango159  (State College, PA) |
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Well the color is gorgeous!!
Congratulations and I want to wish you the very best of luck with it. I hope that it continues to perform to your expectation.
I have tried numerous Sebos myself and with exception of a recent trial of a Felix, I had awful experiences with the others. Many collectors I've spoken to and myself have noticed that the automated height adjustment done by the machine doesn't reach close enough to fully clean certain carpets. A manual height setting tends to work better over time as you'll notice you can set it just slightly lower and achieve a better seal to the rug and better carpet grooming. While the handle for the accessories is positioned nicely and a comfortable handle, I also found it awkward to use and under-powered compared to many other uprights. Some features that are really nice on the Sebo are the quick removable brush roll for easy cleaning, good filtration and quiet sound. My negative experience with the machines is based off of the following experiences: 1. Working as a Culinary Office Assistant for Penn State hotels and using around 12 different machines of the Windsor Sensor series between 2 locations on days to assist with banquet and restaurant setup and assist housekeeping. The machines struggled to get up some basic dirt and deep down dirt. The carpets always had a very dusty hue to them. It was not an issue of improper carpet steaming either!! 2. At a vacuum mini meet a few collectors and myself ran around 20 vacuums all of which in excellent mechanical and cosmetic condition, in one night to include various Hoovers, Kirby Sentria, Electrolux Central vac, Meile Silver Moon, Sebo Automatic X5 and other machines. It was a unanimous vote that the Sebo performed the poorest out of all of them. Absolutely the poorest carpet grooming marks and overall clean just fair! 3. A cleaning client of mine purchased a brand new Sebo D4 Premium with ET-1 power head. I set the suction power to max and still found in adequate for many of the tasks I was trying to accomplish in a general house cleaning. The power nozzle groomed terrible and shut off on many of her rugs. I brought in my Hoover Decade 80 upright and Riccar 1700 canisters at different times to get the carpets cleaned that the Sebo couldn't handle!! 4. A recent experience in a New York City hotel had me waking up with bad allergy attacks. The next morning I saw the Windsor Sensors on the maid carts and understood why my allergies were so awful!! Sorry to be the burst of the bubble here! I hope you find your experience far different than mine!! Best of luck! | ||
| Post# 344922 , Reply# 9 2/22/2016 at 13:35 (2,984 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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Durango Sebo have introduced a new model the X4 Pet Boost. As the name suggests it has a Boost button which lowers the floorhead deeper into the carpet and it cleans extremely well
The best bagged upright I've ever owned. And I've owned a Kirby and Miele S7 I've also used a Riccar Brilliance. You can keep running down Sebo as much as you like but here in Europe they are loved :-) | ||
| Post# 344929 , Reply# 11 2/22/2016 at 13:57 (2,984 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 344931 , Reply# 12 2/22/2016 at 14:01 (2,984 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Turbo500, Nice colors, nice kitchen, and I don't knock anything German made. For the most part, their ethic is do it properly or don't bother. | ||
| Post# 344932 , Reply# 13 2/22/2016 at 14:03 (2,984 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 344956 , Reply# 14 2/22/2016 at 16:33 (2,984 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The bubble hasn't been burst...but my what a lot of rot.
Id like to enlighten some of the content that Durango has shared in his opinion.
1) The Americans have had SEBO uprights in the U.S under Windsor branding for several years making do with older bodies and basic filters that are also available for SEBO domestic vacs. However Windsor generally dont sell the higher priced charcoal filled filter which is better for pets and allergy owners. The company make do with the more basic microfilter, which coupled with the more hygienic synthetic disposable dust bags offers better air quality. Given that the U.S only got the synthetic dust bags some months ago, it is easy to disqualify any finding from previous experience. 2) A deeper cleaning action can be had when using the delicate softer brush roll for closer contact. SEBO has never advertised their X series as being a deep cleaning vacuum anyway which is why the delicate brush roller is an optional purchase, but a vacuum that gently cleans, protects the carpet as well as the X series being designed to reduce brush wear. 3) Grooming marks do not indicate a better cleaning action. Unless of course you’re into destroying the top surface of your carpets continually but won’t notice the pile getting thinner because of the natural direction in which the pile settles and flows. After all, not all carpet texture is the same, but it can be destroyed the same with aggressive vacuuming. My Vax VCU02 grooms carpets rather well, but it can also destroy carpet rapidly if used all of the time - it is based on the U.S Hoover Signature upright, or an Oreck clone. 4) The ET1 already has a 175 watt motor and coupled with the U.S market’s 1250 motor in the D4, high suction is NOT required at all times on rugs. Even the user manual suggests that the ET-1 should be shut off using suction only for delicate rugs. 5) Allergies from waking up will not be caused by a vacuum cleaner alone. Unless you have slept in a room with the machine left on during the night to cause enough “allergen” seeping into a room, blaming a commercial upright for impending allergies is fool hardy. Check your bedsheets in the room or even the air con system. Or even the carpets! Dust rises and with an air con system it simply spreads around. | ||
| Post# 345000 , Reply# 15 2/22/2016 at 22:27 (2,983 days old) by poconovacman (Northeast Pennsylvania) | ||
Ignore Mr. Durango.....he has a long history of being ill informed on what a truly good vacuum cleaner is, preferring to think of machines as a collector and not as a consumer.
I have had my SEBO Automatic X1 for just over a year and I can safely say that I will never again be without a SEBO vacuum cleaner. I'm currently saving up for the D4 Premium canister in black, would buy a Felix in a heartbeat if I found the right deal, and may even eventually buy a brand new X4 to give my X1 a much deserved rest. They're user friendly, they're easy to push, they have BY FAR the longest cord available on ANY domestic vacuum cleaner. They're indestructible, the bags are massive, the optional HEPA filters are excellent. I have noticed a VAST improvement in the air quality since I've been using my SEBO as the daily driver, and my rugs look wonderful, even the snow white ones upstairs. So consider this my upvote for SEBO. | ||
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Post# 345006 , Reply# 16 2/22/2016 at 23:32 (2,983 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Matt! | ||
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Post# 345167 , Reply# 17 2/23/2016 at 21:42 (2,982 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Thanks for the support Matt!!
I may cherish my collection.
However: When I'm on a job site working I don't care about if a machine is a collection piece!! I'm looking for equipment and supplies that accomplish a task quickly and efficiently!!! I'm sorry that when cleaning a 12,000 square foot Bed and Breakfast that a Riccar 1700 kept on working on the carpets and the D4 power nozzle had shut off numerous times because the height setting and brush roll wouldn't adjust better for the plush rugs and surprisingly the rubber bottom door mats too, cleaned terribly with it!! I'm also sorry that the Riccar and customers Kenmore Intuition canister was wizzing up dirt off the bare floors SIGNIFICANTLY faster allowing me to accomplish my job quicker which the client appreciates due to our hourly billing arrangement for that property. I actually ended up using the customers Dyson DC41 on several occasions. Definitely not a very favorite machine of mine overall but for this application is was more efficient than the Sebo. I'm also sorry if the carpets in 2 hotels owned by The Pennsylvania State University weren't up to par cleanliness wise after running the automatic adjusting Sebos. This was experienced by myself and other staff who work hard as a team, rushing around to be set up on time and having the facility look pristine for upscale banquets and $26/ person Friday night Seafood special buffets, etc. As part of my job title and certification of the Guest Pride program at the hotels we need to ensure full customer satisfaction in a timely, efficient manner. The General Manager of the hotel actually requested my presence for several of his biweekly full hotel walk throughs because he became aware of my keen eye for detail. I'm a very serious person on the job site and am passionate about customer service with excellent end results. As former manager of several businesses, I feel confident in discussing how crucial it is choose the proper equipment on a job site to ensure employees can accomplish tasks in an efficient, safe manner with consistent results and little if any down time with that piece of equipment. Again none of this is my opinion or any sort of hate based remark or what I'm seeking as a collection piece. This is on the job site experience. Sebo Fan the information you provided about the varying filtration, bags, and brush rolls, etc. was very very interesting and enlightening!! Thank you very much for the information on that. I know that all of the machines at the Penn State hotels and my former clients D4 machine all had a fairly stiff blue nylon bristled brush roll. I did try a Sebo Felix in the beginning of January 2016 and was impressed by first impression and use of the machine. I was quite amazed of the experience because it too, like the D4 had an ET-1 head. I hope this is a sign Sebos are getting much better in performance as I have no complaints on their durability and construction with exception of a few design things like the wire connection to top hose handle on the D4 that unplugged a lot. | ||
| Post# 345168 , Reply# 18 2/23/2016 at 22:08 (2,982 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
I know many Vacuumlanders are dismissive of Consumer Reports test results, but for what it's worth, here are a few notes on the tested Sebo X5 Automatic upright: it achieved only a "Good" rating for deep carpet cleaning, whereas the Miele S7 Cat and Dog achieved an "Excellent" rating (so did the old cheap tried-and-true Eureka SmartVac!). As far as airflow through the hose for tool use, the X5 only rated an anemic "Fair" rating, while Miele Cat and Dog was rated "Very Good" in this category. Even the emissions control was better on the Miele and several Kenmores. For a $700 machine, the X5 Automatic seems like it is not worth the money, considering there were at least 20 other bagged uprights that acheived better test results - including all the Miele S7's, the Sebo Felix, all the Kenmores, many Hoovers and two of the new Tacony Maytags.
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| Post# 345172 , Reply# 19 2/23/2016 at 22:38 (2,982 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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That being said, one has to give credit to Sebo for its simple sleek designs and solid build quality. It is a company that indeed has the innovative thinking that could result in some great vacs in the future. And everyone who has used a Sebo has commented on the solid build and "fit and feel" of their products.
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| Post# 345190 , Reply# 20 2/24/2016 at 01:05 (2,982 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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You are getting a bit confused by the emissions of the Sebo X series.
The S class or HEPA filter is placed before the motor, it traps the microscopic dust and keeps the motor extremely clean. The emissions are the carbon dust produced by the motor. The Kirby has no filtration of carbon dust. The X4 Pet Boost has a B rating in the UK for carpet performance as dies the D4 Premium and the new E3 Premium. The Miele S7 has a C Rating. | ||
| Post# 345192 , Reply# 21 2/24/2016 at 01:39 (2,982 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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www.trustedreviews.com/sebo-airbe... .
Here is a 10/10 review of the new Sebo E series. Take a look at the quality of As Sebo :-) | ||
| Post# 345198 , Reply# 23 2/24/2016 at 03:34 (2,982 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Respective of what ever companies officially find, One has to bear in mind several factors.
1) The test results are done ONCE versus continual use in a home, hotel or otherwise. 2) Over time any bagged vacuum with a filter will deteriorate unless the owner changes the filter all of the time after so many bags are used. In my experience old SEBO uprights barely have filters changed in the commercial market; same with Nilco uprights, same with Karcher if companies use them. Even old Henry vacs I have had to use when I worked as a cleaner were barely able to filter the machine properly. One has to take all of that into account, not to mention the general wear and tear of brush rolls. Durango - reflecting on the Sebo uprights - I take it all of them used were the auto sensor models? The Sensor S that makes do with the manual height adjustment might have produced better results. If the ET1 is shutting off on rugs it is because the brush height control is set too low, or simply that the rug requires the brush roll to be switched off as per suggestion in the user manual. | ||
| Post# 345201 , Reply# 24 2/24/2016 at 04:04 (2,982 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 345224 , Reply# 25 2/24/2016 at 11:19 (2,982 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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After being in the commercial cleaning business for several years, I think Durango (Rob) knows how to properly adjust the height of the cleaning head on all the machines he uses. You can tell when the floor head is properly deep cleaning a carpet. If it shuts off, then the brush roll motor is not powerful enough for the cleaning task at hand. What's needed is a machine whose brush roll is driven by the powerful vacuum motor itself, like all of the Tacony machines as well as Kirby and Royal Commercial series. This is a much better design for tackling thick plush hotel carpets. | ||
| Post# 345225 , Reply# 26 2/24/2016 at 11:31 (2,982 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 345226 , Reply# 27 2/24/2016 at 12:31 (2,982 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 345287 , Reply# 29 2/25/2016 at 07:25 (2,981 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Sebo Air Belt service kit, For the prior generation cylinder models has a hepa filter, and a new bag material. Courtesy of Mr. ibasiac on his you tube channel. he posted last month that he has also a facebook page for his material. | ||
| Post# 345337 , Reply# 30 2/25/2016 at 12:19 (2,981 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Post# 345435 , Reply# 31 2/25/2016 at 22:48 (2,980 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Thanks all for the advice
The vacuums at the Penn State hotels were all the 12" wide Sensor models with automatic sensing head by Sebo. I used to always give the head several seconds to make sure it was properly adjusted. However, being used on the same pile carpet throughout the facility continuously, those several seconds probably weren't very necessary. The hotels had a good maintenance department that was monitoring the long filters installed inside the bag compartment. I changed one out one day myself when I changed a bag. Sadly even after changing the bag and filter myself and being the first to use it after doing so, I still was unimpressed by hose suction and overall cleaning. :( I used to try to clear hairs from the brush roll before using the machines.
Also the gorgeous blue X4 series that was run in competition at a vacuum collectors house, that machine was also an auto sensing head. I would agree with Sebo fan that both of my experiences with the upright category may have been different if machines were manually adjustable. The customers house that I cleaned with the owners brand new Sebo D4 Premium, I had to adjust the height setting for every carpet that I ran it on. I tried raising the power nozzle to the highest setting and dropping down suction to be able to clean some of the rugs of various textures. Still the power nozzle overload sensor would continuously shut the power nozzle off. Meanwhile with greater selection of heights available on the Decade 80, Kenmore and Riccar, all of those machines ran fine on all of the rugs. I guess my point here is that with a high priced, quality built, high end machine like the Sebo, one would hope it would be able to handle a wider variety of carpets like the Kenmore, Hoover, and Riccar were able to do in this same application at this property! The Sebo here let me down in rug cleaning with the power nozzle and hard floor cleaning with the included Sebo bare floor brush at this property. Despite having to tie a knot in the cord as the winder was broken and deal with a shorter cord, I opted to use the customers older Kenmore Intuition canister for bare floors because its airflow was far greater. It wasn't snow plowing food crumbs on the kitchen floor, it wasn't snow plowing bits of paper ash that blew out of the fire place, it wasn't struggling with several swipes to get dust and other debris on the main tile like the Sebo was!! The Kenmore was zipping everything up in a breeze where the Sebos airflow required multiple passes!! Running the Sebo in the property would have been really really nice if it was more effective at cleaning due to its long 40' cord and easy rolling canister wheels. It just wasn't performing well to meet my time schedule though. There was one area rug with a 3" long yarn like nap at this property that only a Dyson DC41 was able to clean. None of the others above were capable at the task and that doesn't surprise me at all. This rug was definitely a new experience for me. I do not recommend such a long threaded rug to anyone in terms of cleaning. This was a carpet unlike anything I have ever come across and a far far different style from any other rug the client had in the house. 75% of the flooring in this property (bed and breakfast client) was hard flooring. From grouted, high traction commercial tile in the kitchen to smooth hard wood on steps and a lot of the 2nd floor to a more of a concrete style flooring in a connecting wing and also more standard residential like grouted tiling throughout the first floor. All of the carpets were area rugs of varying size. Generally around 5' x 10' as good guide but definitely some a little larger and some smaller. The Bed and Breakfast property was on an hourly billing schedule because for the most part the Bed and Breakfast rooms were an entire separate wing that did not need done regularly as business was more seasonal or reserved for family visitation. Primary cleaning was an approximate 3000 square foot first floor with additional square footage added when 2nd floor was cleaned about once a week. Regular cleaning session involved some other aspects of work from window cleaning, leaf blowing to clear porches, patios and driveways outside, more bathrooms, dishes, bathroom mat washing, etc. | ||
| Post# 345449 , Reply# 32 2/26/2016 at 04:40 (2,980 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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IF the D4 was made to clean hard floors all of the time with its PN, then there's every possibility that the underside was ground down with the different textures. Doesn't surprise me in the least if the D4 struggled to clean some carpets afterwards. This is why SEBO include the deluxe floor brush tool with every D4 - usually.
I've added a photo here showing what happens to my carpet if I vacuum daily with a SEBO Felix on setting 1 as well as similar setting 1 with my SEBO/SM2 (like a G2) upright. This is the wool carpet that my home has (textured tufted wool pile, approximately 0.39") delicate brush rolls on - OR the standard stiff bristles (blue) with either SEBO upright on higher settings. You will see from the circle indicated how deep the manual adjust will go. As a result I never clean in setting 1 !
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| Post# 345452 , Reply# 33 2/26/2016 at 05:39 (2,980 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Nar, Sebofan, I meant that reply for Durango159 in response to his comment about his allergies regarding the Sebo he used. | ||
| Post# 345470 , Reply# 34 2/26/2016 at 08:58 (2,980 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Post# 345998 , Reply# 35 3/2/2016 at 00:01 (2,975 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Yeah, I'm confused!!
I never run a power nozzle on hard flooring. Always the power nozzle was removed and bare floor brush installed. Rare exceptions are if it's like 1 small crumb right near a carpet, then I might turn the brush roll off and grab it straight suction with the power nozzle brush off, but even for me to do that is QUITE REMOTE!! Usually for a stray crumb I'll take the hose end or crevice tool to it and any more than that a bare floor brush is hooked up when I clean!! | ||
| Post# 346236 , Reply# 37 3/4/2016 at 09:24 (2,973 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well here's the video for those interested. It does look like a great design.
it uses a combination of thin strip bristles not uncommon to anyone who has owned the original Electrolux/Eureka Ergorapido from the 1990s. Yes I had one and it was a great design - but the thin strip paint brush like bristles were next to useless on carpet and the paint brush strips had a tendency to wear down quickly, possibly helped by carpet frames or rough edging.
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