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Thread Number: 30956
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
Couple of points from a new member. re. Sebo and Panasonic. |
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| Post# 342085 , Reply# 1 1/26/2016 at 22:10 (3,009 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Welcome!!
Well let me the first UK member to welcome another NEW UK member to this fabulous forum.
I like almost all German vacs hence the name but I have also owned a few Panasonic vacs (European ones of course since U.S get different ones to what we get). Firstly the paper dust bags are OLD STOCK. I suspect this is what First4Spares and others sell on without thinking as they would have the boxes in the warehouse and just grab the box without checking. I have bought the bags before and was issued a refund when I sent the paper dust bags back. Other boxes I have kept as I like using the paper ones as well as synthetic. After all as the old SEBO marketing saying goes, "once you vacuum up the dirt you never really see it again..." The old paper bag can last individually from a period of 3 to 4 months dependent on the dirt in the home (I find anyway) and a box of the bags lasts me on average a year and a half to 2 years dependent on each dust bag used. The newer synthetic ones are not supposed to be re-used but they are floppy enough to be shaken free of dirt, turned inside out, gently brushed clean and re-used once more. I have done this myself but I wouldn't ADVISE doing it a third time as the microfilter can only stand up to so much in terms of the electrostatic weave of the disposable bag and they're not called disposable for nothing! Generally SEBO ownership isn't expensive on the dust bags and filters. They can last a long time in the X series as well as a lot of their other models. Lastly, the last Panasonic upright I owned had Panasonic's own disposable filter bag installed but they're too expensive and don't seal up properly. I have also owned three of those Panasonic MC-E4011's in various guises, so just ask away! | ||
| Post# 342098 , Reply# 2 1/27/2016 at 04:33 (3,009 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 342119 , Reply# 4 1/27/2016 at 16:21 (3,008 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The brush bar for the MCE 4000 series is the SAME as the bagged uprights such as MCE 3001 and various series uprights (the white models or the black bagged models) that additionally use the two drive belts as they do on your series uprights.
Check Amazon UK: www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-MCE300... I owned the MCE 4003 model and the later 1900 watt MCE 4111. The exhaust filter isn't washable but there's no harm in putting a simple microfilter in at the door, if you keep the cartridge holder that used to hold the HEPA filter in at the back. It is after all only the exhaust outlet. If memory serves me correctly I was never a fan of those twin bin uprights. They were novel to a point but even with a clean filter on board, the twin filter at the top had a tendency to over clog, so its not surprising that you have found a layer of dust at the top inside. Panasonic rectified this somewhat with another filter on the MCE 4111 but even at that I found it did very little to seal the dirt in past the twin "towers." The MCE 4111 cost £99 in 2007 and it didn't last very long with me. They were relatively cheap to buy, very light to push but the short hose was also annoying and the inability to clean flat to the floor. I wrote a review many years ago about the above upright, so have a read if you like, when you have the time. (Click the link) If I ever saw a Twin bin Panasonic bagless upright again I dont think I would bother. After owning two to three of these vacs, the filter systems aren't terribly good. Sorry. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 342149 , Reply# 6 1/27/2016 at 18:04 (3,008 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Im trying to remember the exhaust filter - it was a rectangular piece of plastic with thick ridges on the inside to keep the HEPA filter intact (otherwise it would have rattled against the door when in use as the Pan uprights had blowy exhausts).
However I remember the MCE 4003 came with a black foam carbon style filter with a white piece of microfilter over it. Microfilter is basically a white synthetic filter made up of several compacted layers to form electrostatic principles that trap dirt. The white microfilter could be fashioned from cut to fit microfilters either for cooker hoods or universal vacuum cleaner filter sheets. Even a cut to fit Super Air Clean filter from Miele could be used. Because the ridges are so deep within the exhaust door, it would only force the sheet against the ridges, not come through them. I have only owned an Electrolux Z517 but I do know what you are referring to and it too had a bag clip for the dust bag which was all the rage at the time to make bags reusable. Hoover also had those on their Turbopower vacuums in the UK and Europe, but they were phased out for sealed bags to stop any possibility of escaping dirt in their Turbopower 2 & 3 series. You can still use those bags in the Hoover models but put simply, the ONLY resealable bags you can buy these days are the shake out SMS material dust bags which are often capped on capacity and pretty messy. SEBO have never made one for the X series though they did make one for their commercial vacuums under the BS36/46 series. The clean air system on a SEBO X is substantially different to that of the Electrolux Z500 series in my view. Whilst I found the Z500 I had to be fairly quiet and a pleasure to use, the bags seldom filled up because the Z517 had a small suction motor compared to the later twin motor versions. The bags also clogged badly at the top with dirt failing to fall properly to the bottom - the SEBO bags fill the dust from the top but they can be absolutely RAMMED WITH DIRT and still have suction left over - this is more apparent with the synthetic bags compared to the paper bags, but both can still be rammed with dirt lol There is another thread on here created by some of the U.S members on this forum with regards to paper or synthetic bags and where some members report that HEPA bags cut suction or put strain on the motor. This is true to an extent but not with all brands. (click link if you're interested). Personally if you're happy with Panasonic I'd buy the bagged white model - but you better be quick because as of last year, Panasonic have more or less stopped vacuums on their books. Their latest "Eco" white models have a single drive belt now. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 342195 , Reply# 7 1/28/2016 at 11:00 (3,008 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 342203 , Reply# 9 1/28/2016 at 12:09 (3,007 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Its been great to help another UK member but do visit the site here as there is plenty on here. I suggest that you look at Google and add any brand name, model number and then vacuumland as a secondary word. You'll find a ton of archives on here including Volta 500s which are another company also owned by Electrolux who also sold those uprights under the name. Plenty of info can be found through Google+vacuumland if you search.
Do hope to hear from you again. Good vacuuming with your Sebo! CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 342217 , Reply# 11 1/28/2016 at 14:13 (3,007 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Kirby uprights are great but Im just not that taken with them, or rather my home isn't - I can barely get the SEBO 360 to move around my home, but love it so because it is so quiet to use. Id say it has a similar foot print to a Kirby upright.
When I was a student I did a stint of being a cleaner in a school. We used commercial Hoover uprights and old Kirby uprights which were brilliant for open spaces. | ||
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