Thread Number: 30859
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
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Post# 341381 , Reply# 1   1/15/2016 at 13:02 (2,994 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 341382 , Reply# 2   1/15/2016 at 13:12 (2,994 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)   |   | |
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Post# 341384 , Reply# 3   1/15/2016 at 13:21 (2,994 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 341386 , Reply# 4   1/15/2016 at 14:04 (2,994 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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So that we don't re-invent the wheel, there is a large thread with over 100 responses on the vintage forum that discusses the pros and cons of cloth HEPA bags.
You can find it here:
www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... CLICK HERE TO GO TO sptyks's LINK |
Post# 341399 , Reply# 5   1/15/2016 at 16:35 (2,994 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 341403 , Reply# 6   1/15/2016 at 17:20 (2,994 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)   |   | |
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Post# 341405 , Reply# 7   1/15/2016 at 18:48 (2,994 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)   |   | |
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They clog up fast, don't expand well and are bad for the environment. These days, it really isn't all that more expensive to buy HEPA bags online, especially in bulk. They really DO improve airflow and filtration. You can also MAKE HEPA bags for almost every vintage vacuum (except the shake out bag models.) Just look at the bag compartment when you use paper bags. There is a layer of dust on the bag chamber. I see this all the time. Some of that dust is getting into the motor. The motor is better protected and not only that, the air FEELS cleaner. Use HEPA bags in ALL your machines, and you will notice a difference within a few weeks. It happened to me at least. I used to be in the same boat, thinking that the cloth bags were overrated and too expensive. It wasn't until I switched that I realized the difference they make.
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Post# 341408 , Reply# 8   1/15/2016 at 20:02 (2,994 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)   |   | |
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Post# 341411 , Reply# 9   1/15/2016 at 20:54 (2,994 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA)   |   | |
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In my personal experience with my kirbys, the mid line paper bag always seemed to be very stiff and ridged when the machine was turned on, however when I put a tol hepa bag in it breaths better and the bag is a lot less ridged this would make me think the hepa bags work better and put less stress on the motor,so I'm all for hepa.
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Post# 341413 , Reply# 10   1/15/2016 at 20:58 (2,994 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)   |   | |
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Hepa filters on their own are useless unless the rest of the system is completely sealed. I agree with you in that instance. However, it is a simple fact that Hepa bags are much more efficient than paper bags in regards to motor protection, filtration and performance. I have a Kenmore upright like yours and used the genuine paper bags. After a couple of uses, I would always find THICK dust in the bag compartment. I tried the better kind and got the same result. Use a paper bag in a vacuum over a few weeks and eventually, there will be a coating of dust outside the bag. There isn't ANY dust whatsoever inside any of my vacuum's bag compartments that use Hepa BAGS. Just the same with my Electroluxes. There isn't more dust outside the bag, so there isn't more dust inside the motor. Cloth stretches better and is more breathable than paper as well. Any talk of a Hepa bag reducing airflow is complete nonsense to me. If that was actually true, I wouldn't still be using them in ALL my machines. I want them to always be as efficient as possible.
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Post# 341415 , Reply# 11   1/15/2016 at 22:55 (2,994 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 341425 , Reply# 13   1/16/2016 at 08:54 (2,993 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Cloth HEPA bags are NOT better for the environment! It's the other way around, paper bags are better for the environment. Those HEPA Cloth bags are made from polypropylene, which is a form of plastic. I would think that some of the plastic content used to make the bags may be recycled plastic, but still, think of that, the next time you throw out a HEPA Cloth bag, you literally just threw plastic in the garbage.
I do agree with you though on the filtration benefits the HEPA Cloth bags offer though, & especially the fact the motor is protected a LOT more than using paper micro-filtration bags. And since the filtration is so good & you can easily adapt a HEPA Cloth bag to fit older machines, that also means it can make your old Eureka or Hoover canister with no HEPA Filter on the exhaust suitable for allergy sufferers. Rob |
Post# 341428 , Reply# 14   1/16/2016 at 09:46 (2,993 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 341436 , Reply# 16   1/16/2016 at 15:31 (2,993 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Cloth all the way. They are far more durable, most of them to the point you'll have a hard time actually damaging them even deliberately. Most are electrostatic which helps with airflow, they are essentially one large filter, like just superior in every way and they cost around about the same. SEBO and nuamtic bags are made from 100% recycled fibres as well, even though you can make that type of cloth from renewable sources anyway.
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Post# 341437 , Reply# 17   1/16/2016 at 15:40 (2,993 days old) by citroenbx (england)   |   | |
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Post# 341448 , Reply# 18   1/16/2016 at 21:19 (2,993 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 341460 , Reply# 19   1/17/2016 at 02:19 (2,993 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Nar - You say some HEPA Cloth bags can be shaken out & re-used?!?! Ok, which brand & model of vacuum bags are we talking about here? I tried to do that once a while back, but I found that the dust gets separated from the dirt inside the bag, & the dust tends to get trapped in the layers of the material. No matter how much you shake the dirt out, you're NOT getting that fine dust out of the bag layers.
David - Not necessarily. It all depends what type of dirt your vacuum picks up to begin with. For example, a household with a dog & cat with lots of pet hair could easily use a paper micro-filtration bag & use it till it's packed to the brim with dirt, since human & pet hair doesn't clog the pores of the bag & it's just bulky. In that instance, you wouldn't get any longer life by using a HEPA Cloth bag. My ex-boyfriend, Craig, has a Kenmore Whispertone canister I sold him....he has a black lab & lots of pet hair, & he uses the yellow Kenmore 5055 bags in it, & he does just fine. Rob |
Post# 341463 , Reply# 20   1/17/2016 at 06:55 (2,992 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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"Nar - You say some HEPA Cloth bags can be shaken out & re-used?!?! Ok, which brand & model of vacuum bags are we talking about here?"
SEBO of course. The top fill ones are easy enough to turn inside out if you have patience. Even the D series bags can be turned inside out easily enough, brushed clean if you don't want to WASH and allow the bag to dry. I've done the shaking out, turning inside and brush clean once and the bag filled again with very little wastage. It can be reused once but after that you're looking at a very clogged bag unless of course you do the wash and dry option - but even then I find the bag isn't as good as a fresh one. Actually pet hair can impact filtration layers - just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. I used to find that the layers on my Hoover paper bags would show signs of pet hair oil seeping through the layers as well as black dots which I can only assume is dirt within pet hair. |
Post# 341473 , Reply# 21   1/17/2016 at 11:03 (2,992 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 341474 , Reply# 22   1/17/2016 at 11:16 (2,992 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 341475 , Reply# 23   1/17/2016 at 11:19 (2,992 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 341479 , Reply# 24   1/17/2016 at 13:40 (2,992 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Oh of course there is that option, Sebo4Me but in the case of the D2 vac and countless other SEBO vacs brand new before they hit the UK market properly, sometimes when you have to get by on ONE bag it helps to know by experimenting before the dust bags are actually available to buy.
Lets not forget our vintage fans of classic Hoover uprights have had options to reuse the paper dust bag. The re-use formula is not a new fad. |
Post# 341557 , Reply# 26   1/18/2016 at 13:46 (2,991 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Um well you don’t reset the main filter if you have a clean air vac that has another filter on board unless that filter is constantly replaced. The main filter still has to cope with whatever has been lined down the hose or dust channel. Main filters that can be replaced give the vacuum the best chance of being purged rather than washed and reused in my experience.
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Post# 341669 , Reply# 27   1/20/2016 at 15:22 (2,989 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 341700 , Reply# 30   1/21/2016 at 10:29 (2,988 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 342268 , Reply# 32   1/29/2016 at 07:34 (2,980 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 342332 , Reply# 34   1/29/2016 at 21:17 (2,980 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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