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Post# 340340   12/31/2015 at 13:20 (3,010 days old) by countrydirt ()        

We are in need of a new vacuum, I am trying to figure out what ones would be most fitting for our household. Major problems in the past related to buildup of dog hair on the roller, We were able to have this fixed on the hoover that we had until the part was no longer available. Also, have kids vacuuming so want one that will not suffer severe damage if they vacuum up pennies, stones, ect. If I am understanding what I have read so far that means a I need a bi-pass type cleaner not a direct air... HOw do I know what kind they are? We have berber type carpeting, lots of sand, hay, grass clippings, these come in on the dog and kids, they are small pieces but really stick to the carpeting.

I want a bagged type have been looking for info on maytag m700, hoovers, I want something that will be able to clean up our carpeting. looking for ideas under $500.


Post# 340357 , Reply# 1   12/31/2015 at 19:14 (3,010 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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Here is a very good bypass vacuum at a great price.


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Post# 340358 , Reply# 2   12/31/2015 at 19:18 (3,010 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

We have a newer version of this cleaner in the UK. They are very heavy to lift, but super light to move and clean like no other upright I know of in all my years.

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Post# 340365 , Reply# 3   12/31/2015 at 20:43 (3,010 days old) by Eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Consumer Reports tests gave high marks to the red Hoover WindTunnel Max Upright. Excellent carpet cleaner and has an onboard mini turbo tool to clean pet hair off furniture and stairs. It is a bag-first bypass machine, as the dirty air passes through the bag before it gets to the motor.

Very reasonable price at under $200....

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Post# 340371 , Reply# 4   1/1/2016 at 01:02 (3,010 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Sand,hay,grass cuttings,pebbles,coins,--sounds like they need a Shop type vacuum.Careful about coins,pebbles with clean air machines-the brush housing can be damaged or even cracked from the brushroll banging these things around before the airstream picks them up.It is rare-but happens.If you can use the hose to pick up these hard things rather than the brushroll.If you have the kids do the vacuuming-instruct them on how to use and replace bags in the machine.If you don't you would be better off doing the vacuuming yourself.

Post# 340378 , Reply# 5   1/1/2016 at 07:34 (3,009 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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tolivac makes a very good point about teaching kids on how to use a vacuum cleaner and to use the hose instead of running an upright vacuum through tough debris.

However, the bagged Windsor Sensor XP or any of the Sensor ranges can deal and are known to deal with stuff like that. No question - especially if its going to be pet hair, coins and stuff put through a brush roll - plus the brush roll is easy to remove with the touch button on the floor head. Amazon.com sell them new for $525

Try ebay.com also for a refurb model; that way if you don't like the auto sensor height adjustment you can sell it on. Or keep it and invest in a canister vacuum to deal with the rough stuff.


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Post# 340382 , Reply# 6   1/1/2016 at 11:40 (3,009 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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This bypass Hoover WindTunnel is a vacuum workhorse.
Hoover may be discontinuing this model as I don't see it on their website.
I have an earlier version of this vacuum and they can handle it all.
$140 new on EBay is a very good price, and that's delivered with tax.

Btw the Maytag idea is a good one too.

One question, do you need/want above floor cleaning (hose and attachments) like this WindTunnel has?


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Post# 340388 , Reply# 7   1/1/2016 at 13:17 (3,009 days old) by Countrydirt ()        

I really appreciate the ideas,of vacuums to look into. The kids are learning how to use the vacuum correctly but I think we can all admit to making mistakes along the way. They need to learn at some point. Most of the problems with our previous vacwere related to dog hair on the beater bar which then would heat up and melt soften the plastic side holder. The local vac shop said metal parts in this area would fix this. He carries all higher end riccar which are out of our price range he could special order one for me but I need to know what I want.

We use the hose attachment alot. The hay grass doesnt come off with being shoke out or pick up with the hose or shop vac these are small pieces under 1/2 inch most under 1/4 inch but they stick to the carpet really well. This is on the entry rug,this is also where the majority of sand and pebbles are located. The dog hair is everywhere,our dog has long hair and sheds non stop.

The windsor sounds interesting with an easy to remove bar, easier toclean the more it will get done :) thank youfor your ideas so far really do appreciate them.


Post# 340406 , Reply# 8   1/1/2016 at 16:22 (3,009 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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The Tacony company makes both Riccar and the Fuller Brush Mighty Maid I posted earlier. Both have metal "where you want it", bottom, brush roll, wand, handle etc...both are great vacs, the Fuller labeled machine being far more reasonably priced with a 13" brush roll width rather than 14". There is a pet variation of this platform, (the most common basic bypass bagged design out there) made by Tacony and sold under the Cirrus label.
I will find a link and post that next.


Post# 340409 , Reply# 9   1/1/2016 at 16:27 (3,009 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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Here ya go. This deal looks like a winner with extra bags thrown in and $20 shipping.
Usually there is no tax on EBay so that covers the $20 right there.


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Post# 340410 , Reply# 10   1/1/2016 at 16:48 (3,009 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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And here is a video putting the Cirrus Pet through it's paces.
I really don't think the Sebo is a good choice for the typical American pet owner to begin with and is crazy expensive here. Self leveling/pile height adjustment is can be tedious and trouble pron.. this.being the model usually touted here on Vacuumland, mostly by people living in Europe, where motors are of higher voltage and square footage of homes is generally far less.
I own a commercial Windsor/Sebo and that is a beast. It's a very heavy 2 motor vacuum made for janitors and office spaces. Not all all practice for a family vacuum.


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Post# 340411 , Reply# 11   1/1/2016 at 16:51 (3,009 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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That should read, "not at all practical for a family".
Also the Sebo Felix is again pricey, no tools, and less a machine than you really need. Great for old folks or apartment dwellers with short pile carpeting though.


Post# 340424 , Reply# 12   1/1/2016 at 21:18 (3,009 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA)        

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The Maytag will be a very good vacuum on short pile carpet, if you have bare floors I personally find the brush on/off switch a little inconvenient to use, if you do need to use this vacuum on any hard floors I recommend either the Panasonic mc-ug729 which I personally prefer between the two vacuums I will recommend because it will work great on low pile carpet and long pile carpet if you ever change carpet in the future or the panisonic mc-ug327 if you want a lighter vacuum if you have to take the vacuum up and down any stairs, both of these vacuums have wooden roller brushes, if you don't find the Maytag's brush shutoff too inconvenient though it will definitely be your best bet.

Post# 340431 , Reply# 13   1/1/2016 at 22:26 (3,009 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Nice try but...

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I didnt suggest SEBO because I know in the U.S they're expensive to buy - the Windsor Sensor is the same as the older SEBO X1 Automatic and they are CHEAPER because of SEBO's contract with Windsor since 1979. There are plenty of fans of those models on here - and they're not that powerful. They are NOT double motor driven though unlike your other commercial Windsor model.

Also the Felix hasnt been mentioned, which is a DIFFERENT MODEL.

Click the link to find the previous Windsor S12 model listed on Amazon.com - you will find plenty of feedback on how good this upright is on pet hair.

The manual height adjustment version is also available in the U.S under the name of Essential G or G2. The commercial version from Windsor goes under name of "Sensor S" and features manual height adjustment. It's still a light upright compared to others on here - in my experience.


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Post# 340435 , Reply# 14   1/1/2016 at 22:34 (3,009 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Also click on the link to know about the Windsor models: an archive thread.

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Post# 340436 , Reply# 15   1/1/2016 at 23:02 (3,009 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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For $700 I hope it gets good reviews. Still not a good value proposition.
Some Americans have a fetish for "German engineered" stuff and often times over pay for inferior, or at least not stellar, product. I won't argue where on that scale Sebo falls, but dollar for dollar they are generally not a wise choice...over here.



Post# 340453 , Reply# 16   1/2/2016 at 03:22 (3,008 days old) by motojoejo (MO)        

I recommend Riccar Vibrance. It has all the features you need, it's American made, you can usually find them at a local vacuum shop. Going local will give you the chance to "try before you buy". If you find a reputable dealer then it'll be easy to get bags, repairs or any other assistance you need.

Side note: if you see the brand Simplicity- it's made by the same company with the same quality just a different name so two competing stores can have two different names. So again you have the choice between stores for the same product.

I prefer to keep my business local to boost local economy and have a live person to go to for help.


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Post# 340467 , Reply# 17   1/2/2016 at 10:00 (3,008 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"For $700 I hope it gets good reviews. Still not a good value proposition.
Some Americans have a fetish for "German engineered" stuff and often times over pay for inferior, or at least not stellar, product. I won't argue where on that scale Sebo falls, but dollar for dollar they are generally not a wise choice...over here. "

Well they're better than the over priced Orecks we have to put up with in the UK, which by the way you may be interested cost an equivalent $515

I beg to differ regarding SEBO in the U.S. SEBO in the U.S have existed from 1978 and in the U.S there are both manual height adjustment models and sensor automatic models to choose from. If the Windsor model was that bad, Windsor simply wouldn't sell as many of them!

There is plenty of online feedback both positive and negative in the U.S; but when there's so much positivity versus the small minority of those unhappy, I think that's a blessing - don't you?

Dollar for dollar they're better than other German brands - nearly twice as many dust bags as Miele charge for and when you consider the amount of posts on this forum regarding how long an X series dust bag lasts for singularly used, the X does represent great value for money.

At the start of this thread I maintained to advise that the Windsor Sensor would be a good choice. It picks up what the poster has asked for. It might not be the right one for them, but it is ideal for the pick up requirement at the very least; it is also when considering independents, a possible purchase given the pricing requirement.


Post# 340474 , Reply# 18   1/2/2016 at 11:56 (3,008 days old) by s_matt37 (Utah)        
A Simplicity Symmetry

Or Maytag equivalent would be a great vacuum for a family.


Post# 340492 , Reply# 19   1/2/2016 at 18:52 (3,008 days old) by funeraldirector (Boston)        
Selecting the Ideal Vacuum

Countrydirt,

While there are several units on the market at various price points, one of the prime concerns in your situation is not only cleaning performance but also uptime and ease of use. In the dozen or so years I sold vacuums for Lux in addition to my donut-eating Teamsters job driving heavy trucks for Alliant/Kraft Foodservice in Boston, I have either sold, owned or extensively tested every quality upright vacuum made. My client list included four of the top ten hospitals in the USA and the best burn hospital for kids in the world. While I like the lux upright for the ten year warranty and comfortable use, your situation is best handled with the Windsor Sensor XP12. I prefer it for your application due to kids vacuuming and the heavier cord over its Sebo-branded sister will give better longevity. All of those hospitals use exclusively Windsor or a combination of Windsor and Lux.

Excellent call by Sebo Fan for accurately assessing the client needs and picking the best option given all the important factors. The defining issue is kids vacuuming and the brush assisted movement, 1.5 lb. handle weight, best on-board tool for baseboards, and excellent performance with the electric servo motor height adjustment. Not sure if Windsor offers the cloth-style bags yet but Sebo does and they are preferable to paper.

Strictlybojack-I like several of the Riccar/Simplicity TOL tandem air vacuums but not this Cirrus-style vacuum when attachment use is paramount and also little ones are learning to vacuum. Many a carpet have been spared damage due to the automatic servo motor adjusting the height when someone went off and left the vacuum running on carpet with the brush spinning. The easier a vacuum is to use the more use it will get. The difference in cleaning performance when used regularly between top brands like Miele, Sebo/Windsor, Lux, Kirby and Riccar/Simplicity is insignificant. Also remember that a vacuum is a $1000.00 investment so that makes the Sebo and other vacuums in its class an excellent value in terms of price, performance and durability. Again the machine needs to be kid-proof and this is the most kid-proof vacuum money buys, and also meets Countrydirt's budget requirement.

Brian


Post# 340498 , Reply# 20   1/2/2016 at 20:50 (3,008 days old) by sitop (Bradenton, FL)        
Why not a canister?

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Sounds like a canister would work for you. It is the easiest for attachment work, bare floors and under the beds. I had a cleaning service for years. A good Sears Kenmore canister with a powermate and all of the attachments would be excellent. For us cleaning nuts with vacuuming an upright is fine. We know how to get the upright or the attachments to work under the bed. We may also have another vacuum to clean the furniture, kitchen and bathroom floors. it seems that there is not a lot of time in your household to vacuum, especially if the kids are helping out. Sears has a large HEPA bag witch I would recommend for your household. You won't have to clean the after filters as much. I always had a Sears canister for the houses with kids and "stuff". They are not expensive. You can get a good one around $300. I am not knocking all of the vacuums that are suggested before. I have a working knowledge between the business. For the Funeral Home I have 2 Kirby's and an Electrolux. The guys at the Funeral Home can't kill a kirby even vacuuming up metal from flower stand and the spilled water. I just feel, and this is my own opinion, not knocking anyone, that a Sears canister with a powermate would be an affordable purchase for this person. If the kids do screw up the machine then they are only screwing up $300

Post# 340501 , Reply# 21   1/2/2016 at 21:01 (3,008 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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Not trying to be a smart Alec, but am I the only one who who reads the "customer", literally in this case, as needing a vacuum priced, "under $500"? See the OP...last line, couldn't be more clear, just sayin'.

So unless this poster wants a used vac, or some Seno/Windsor fan links to actual vacuums for sale under $500, it's seems to be a none-issue. That brand/model seems to be well above budget.
Not surprising as Windsor is a commercial brand and they consistently price well above regular home use vacs.

Now given pets and children have been mentioned it is also possible the carpet in question is not pristine high end New Zealand wool. Might be a little spotty or trafficked, I might be wrong but wouldn't be surprised.

Countrydirt, opinions vary on the Sebo/Windsor. If you use the search function in the archives you will find current and former vacuum shop owners and I me time fans, now unimpressed with the current Sebo/Windsor design and build quality. However clearly it has it's fans too. But personally I cannot fathom why someone, unless bitten by the "German engineering bug", would pay up for these machines.



Post# 340502 , Reply# 22   1/2/2016 at 21:06 (3,008 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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"shop owners and I me time fans," should read, "shop owners and one time Sebo fans".


Post# 340503 , Reply# 23   1/2/2016 at 21:09 (3,008 days old) by sitop (Bradenton, FL)        
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Your last comment is why I suggested the Sears Canister with a powermate. I was listening to the customer, as I would do in the cleaning service to see what their needs are. I was trying to suggest a vacuum that would be easy to use and would not choke on paper clips and coins. The cost factor kicks in too.

Post# 340507 , Reply# 24   1/2/2016 at 21:34 (3,008 days old) by funeraldirector (Boston)        
Windsor

Most janitorial supply houses I deal with will be around $450.00ish for the Sensor XP12 machine so it definitely falls below the $500.00 ceiling he has indicated.

Strictlybojack definitely a little more aggressive performance on the Tandem Riccar/Simplicity units than the SEBO and have not seen the Maytag Mo2or except on Youtube but it looks good. The last new Windsor Versamatic I had used a Lamb eastern EU motor so they are cutting costs for sure. Even Miele has scaled back the quality compared to previous units like the Silver Moon which had the huge Lamb-style motor instead of the smaller Vortex which does not stand up nearly as well.

I bought an American made Riccar Impeccable purple TOL canister recently. This might be the best cleaning nozzle I have used in a long time and high build quality but would put Countrydirt back in the $1k price bracket.

Brian


Post# 340513 , Reply# 25   1/2/2016 at 22:19 (3,008 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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If you are looking for something a little more robust in the way of a bypass "bag-first" upright, you really should explore the commercial line of Panasonic uprights. Panasonic took the old Hoover Dial-a-Matic configuration and made it better before any other manufacturer. The bare-bones Panasonic commercial uprights are well-built and have all-metal components in the brush-roll area. Their basic unit goes for under $200! See link below:



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Post# 340515 , Reply# 26   1/2/2016 at 22:36 (3,008 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Sand or stones? Or concrete, weeds and stones?

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Can you do this with your upright vacuums in the U.S?

You see, what this demonstates is a clear example of SEBO's build quality and general pick up. In homes uprights usually go from hard floor to carpet and so forth, but what about from concrete to carpet?

End of the day, the Sebo PN in this video uses the same kind of components as the X/Windsor series even if the SEBO X/Windsor doesn't feature a brush roll on/off mode. That PN head is 5 years old versus the 8 year old model that is above it.



Post# 340527 , Reply# 27   1/3/2016 at 05:30 (3,007 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Unimpressed with Sebo build quality? What a load of nonsense!
Sebo have just been awarded the most reliable uprights in the UK.
There's a reason why they are so popular in the commercial world. Performance and reliability second to none!


Post# 340532 , Reply# 28   1/3/2016 at 08:10 (3,007 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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The Cirrus looks like a fantastic vac for the money.


Post# 340533 , Reply# 29   1/3/2016 at 08:12 (3,007 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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This is what govacuum say about the Sebo X4

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Post# 340540 , Reply# 30   1/3/2016 at 10:03 (3,007 days old) by countrydirt ()        

I really appreciate all of your input. The cirrus looks very interesting, as does the windsor, and maytag...

What is the availability of parts for the windsor, maytag, and cirrus? How long are parts available after they stop making a model?

Has anyone worked on or taken any of these apart? How easy are these models to work on? If there is a clog how simple is it to clean out and go again?

Thank you!








Post# 340545 , Reply# 31   1/3/2016 at 11:27 (3,007 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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The Cirrus, Riccar, Simplicity, Fuller Brush, Powr-Flite, Carpet Pro, are all the same basic machine design, all made, assembled, or imported by the Tacony corporation. There are two basic sizes, and scads of different features, above floor cleaning being the most notable. So most parts are plentiful and interchangeable and these rank as some of the easiest to work on bypass machines.
This design was copied from Panasonic who copied it from Hoover...still with me?
Tacony has made significant improvements from it's predecessors, that said the Hoover Dial-A-Matic will always be a collector favorite.
Also, and this is big, the bags and parts are available more cheaply and readily than Sebo/Windsor.
Can you even get Hepa bags for a Windsor, and if so what does that cost?

If your have the same height of carpet, why get a self adjusting vacuum? If you don't, and have carpet that varies significantly in height than go for this Rubber Maid and save big bucks. Or get the non-auto height adjusting model and save even more.
Rubber Maid has been labeling and selling commercial vacs for years now, and if you have lower pile carpet, not shag, commercial vacs can make a lot of sense.
This outlet has great prices on commercial vacs, most restaurants have one, so it's no wonder.
I encourage the Windsor fans to link to actual vacs and bags for sale and let's see what things run.
These are 12" vacs I think they are also available in 15" models.
Lastly, if you want a solid European designed commercial vacuum i would definitely consider the Nilfisk Advance machines or Lindhaus as well as Widsor/Sebo.



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Post# 340550 , Reply# 32   1/3/2016 at 11:42 (3,007 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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One thing I don't like about the Cirrus and similar Riccar models is the floating head. It's not ideal. I'd prefer manuel height adjustment.

Post# 340566 , Reply# 33   1/3/2016 at 14:04 (3,007 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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Okay, i am on a proper desktop computer and off my ipad so now i can better reply.

First off, Maytag labeled machines ARE Tacony made bypass vacuums. Riccar/Simplicity are Tacony's two mirror image nameplates that sell in local vacuum shops and offer "higher end" options...all the way up to two motor, Tandem Air" designs. Those are a non-bypass first motor then a bypass second motor. Over budget and the non-bypass first motor is not what you specified as needing.
Maytag is a new line, i don't know how they are being marketed. At some point Dysonman1 will notice this thread and clue us in, as i believe he works for Tacony at their vacuum museum.
As Vintagerepairer said, the Tacony vacs are substantial but light to push...good point.
I posted the WindTunnel because that is the grandson of Hoover's Dial-A-Matic from the 1960's which put bypass vacuums on the map, as far as i know. AND it is a great performer, just stupid loud. Also now the machine has a chintzier build feeling compared to earlier/original versions of the machine.

The Sebo Windsor and other Euro makes do one thing very well, they lay flat for getting under things like higher beds and the like. Orecks do too, but lets no go there, the natives are getting restless (some don't see the charm i do in the Oreck)and they are most often non-bypass design machines.

I mentioned the SeboFlix / Windsor Axcess because i knew it was only a matter of time before some else did. Really not what you seem to need. Vacuuming outside proves what exactly? Don't answer that, because i think it was Gsheen (a vacuum shop owner from South Africa) who mentioned here on VL he thought the quality had dropped some on the Sebo. Also KirbyloverDan i recall agreeing with him on that point. Are they still posting here? I've been away for awhile. I can't say because i don't have experience with the older Sebo/Windsor models being discussed.

Generally, Windsor sells the same vac here for more than Sebo sells the same vac across the pond...but less than Sebo sells vacs for here, got that? Nuts how involved this can be, but great if you need a hobby like apparently lots of us here do.

Canister? If you want one of those countrydirt let us know.

On Berber, a floating head (witch is self-adjusting for height by design- no mechanism to break- is fine...deep shag not so much, AFAIK. Those more expert will hopefully help inform the situation and tell us.

Being that today's vacs have one or more filters price those too. I think you will find that Windsor is more costly in that department too.






Post# 340568 , Reply# 34   1/3/2016 at 14:15 (3,007 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Maybe in the US but in the UK Sebo Ultra bags are £1 each. The Sebo box which includes 8 bags and the filters costs £20. You only need to change the filter after every 16 bags so it is very cheap to run. You can pick up a Sebo X4 or Felix for just over £200 here,so they are fantastic value. I've not seen any drop in build quality, they are very solid vacs.

Post# 340577 , Reply# 35   1/3/2016 at 14:59 (3,007 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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A SIMILAR APPROACH WITH SEBO.

THE WINDSOR SENSOR and SEBO X are the same vacuum, so parts and spares in the U.S are usually plentiful. This can’t be said for later models since SEBO only came to the U.S only a few years ago to sell their own domestic, more cosmetic ranges.

The brand that Stricklybojack has identified as being the ORIGINAL BRAND behind it all, Hoover U.S who are now behind TTI also COPIED SEBO and brought out their own SEBO copy made in China known as the PROFILE and INSIGHT; both models suffer from poorer plastics and feedback online has been limited to say the least from actual owners in terms of positivity.

The WINDSOR SENSOR and SEBO X were designed to be maintained and repaired by the owner - all parts are accessible and other SEBO parts also share a commonality.

Because it is German there are particular points about the SEBO X design that other brands have tried to copy but at the end of the day the machines go on for years - Mine is 18 years old for example and I use mine regularly.

Whilst NILFISK and LINDHAUS are perfectly good brands, they’re not as simple to fix as the SEBO X design; parts are limited and the machines can be a bit too bulky to use. They have some good well thought out features but with a removable cable and features fit for COMMERCIAL markets, the Windsor Sensor is based on a domestic model that SEBO purposefully designed for way back in 1995 so it has a fixed cord for starters, or at least a locked in cord that goes in part with the machine.

The reason SEBO prices in the U.S are different is because the models are slightly more powerful and have a more modern appearance. Anyone with a degree of intelligence can work that out by looking at the design of the Windsor versus the smoother X4 series.

THE GREAT HEPA DEBATE continues to go on as time itself: As usual some are of the opinion that HEPA is the best and they latch onto it as if it is a far superior system. In reality, S-CLASS filters are cleaner and longer lasting: Miele used S-Class before they brought out HEPA filters.

Both Miele and SEBO offer filters that have to be bought to replace; it purges the vacuum cleaner both with the removal of the dust bag.

End of the day the X series is an excellently designed vacuum for the home owner. It has a few downsides, but there is NEVER A PERFECT VACUUM CLEANER: Brush rolls are always going to have to be cleaned to free them of hair, even if some companies have brought out fancy blades to rip the hair off.

As for Kirbyloverdan - oh yes, the famous member on here who has thousands of vacuums and whilst he is a great collector, he also has his own opinion on the SEBO/WINDSOR brand.

But I also have an opinion and there are PLENTY of other members on here in support of the SEBO/WINDSOR brand BOTH from the U.S and other countries - who also have an opinion.

End of the day, whatever NONSENSE Strictlybojack tries in order to present TACONY as being the WONDERMENT OF AMERICAN PRODUCTION, the reality is that SOME of their vacuums are actually made in China.

And clearly if you don't realise that taking out a domestic vacuum with a brush roll and using it on concrete that can rip out weeds provides insight into how WELL an upright vacuum stands up to that kind of abuse clearly dictates that there is something missing in your arsenal of actual QUALITY and DURABILITY knowledge.


Post# 340578 , Reply# 36   1/3/2016 at 15:08 (3,007 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Well put Nar I applaud you! :-)

Post# 340579 , Reply# 37   1/3/2016 at 15:15 (3,007 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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THIS IS NOT HOW I INTENDED TO START MY NEW YEAR.

but Thank you Sebo4Me. I am not a dealer for SEBO, I am not a salesperson for SEBO and they I have never worked for them.

I came from being a vintage Hoover upright collector to the German brand through my late parents; I still love Hoover classic uprights to this day; its like your first car; you never forget your first driver.

However Im fed up of this utter BS between high end opinion where actual ownership is clearly not all that identifiable versus members with high opinions who latch onto others.

Strictlybojack owns a SEBO commercial 2 motor driven upright. The Windsor Sensor is NOT. Its like comparing apples and oranges.


Post# 340582 , Reply# 38   1/3/2016 at 15:54 (3,007 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Hi Robert!

Just to clarify for the sake of accuracy...you wrote that:

"This design was copied from Panasonic who copied it from Hoover..."

I may be wrong, but didn't Panasonic legally buy the Dial-a-Matic patent/design from Hoover in the 1970's? That's what I always thought.

Some really interesting vacuum history with the evolution of the most common upright design now on the market (this bypass DAM design).

Eurekaprince Brian :-)

By the way, as much as I loved cleaning carpet with our Hoover Self-Propelled Ultra WindTunnel (same as the Anniversary SP WindTunnel), cleaning above the floor with the rather short, springy hose was rather uncomfortable - made even harder by the lack of a suction relief valve.


Post# 340583 , Reply# 39   1/3/2016 at 16:26 (3,007 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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Lol, I am suddenly reminded why I haven't posted here much for awhile.
Thanks for acknowledging, that of the two of us, I am the one who actually owns a Windsor, the brand you are recommending.
A vacuum I bought used and not working, at 2% of it's retail cost, a vacuum which I buy bags and filters for here, in America, the country in question, as it is where countrydirtcountrydirt lives too.
My point all along has been, FOR THE MONEY SPENT there are better choices HERE for the typical homeowner at the budget mentioned.
Ahem, IMO, which is sorta implied of course, but I will mention it anyhow.

When I see a link to a new Windsor/Sebo machine, with warranty, that one can buy, under $500 delivered with tax, well then certainly some progress will have been made from where things stand now.
I can do that for Nilfisk, Lindhaus maybe-maybe not, but not at all for Windsor. That doesn't mean there isn't one out there, but I can't find it.

When companies buy commercial vacuums, they sometimes do so in bulk, and more importantly write off the expense on their taxes. That alone saves them 30-40% compared to what we pay. They probably have accounts with janitorial supply houses and easily meet the minimum for free shipping on bags, belts, filters, etc.
Pictured are three vacs currently in rotation, two of which are commercial, one a Tacony product, the Powr-Flite. After 200 or so vacs it may well be my favorite TO USE. It just does everything I need, very well and quietly. I also like my Miele, Nilfisk, Lindhaus and Windsor, all bought used for a fraction of new. So I not pushing Tacony per say I just find a lot of value in many of their products in the market here. I really like commercial vacs (have over a dozen), Dial-A-Matics too (have at least 4), now a Hoover Dial commercial, that would really be a find!
Here's a plug for Sebo, they do not show up USED very often, and when they do the asking price is high, when I find one at a good price I will add one to my hoard.


Post# 340588 , Reply# 40   1/3/2016 at 17:11 (3,007 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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Yes EP I believe you are right on Panasonic. I said copied but I didn't mean they did so illegally or unscrupulously. And I thought (I very well might be wrong!) that Singer had the first bypass upright...that is why I said Hoover put it on the map.

And you are so right about the New Hoover WindTunnel hose. I still enjoy my original olive green
WindTunnel thrift store find. See link on the thread I started when I fixed it up...


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Post# 340589 , Reply# 41   1/3/2016 at 17:37 (3,007 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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“I am suddenly reminded why I haven’t posted here much for a while.”

Yes, you and me too.

If it takes you so many amount of posts to admit you finally own a vacuum cleaner from the same brand BUT A SEBO / WINDSOR vacuum that wasn’t even RECOMMENDED in the first place instead of jumping on assumption with another model then perhaps you wouldn’t feel this way.

There are also countless other posts on this forum indicating collectors buying second hand /refurbed WINDSOR SENSOR uprights at cheap prices. Craigslists often have Windsor uprights on sale for example and they’re not exactly expensive.


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Post# 340598 , Reply# 42   1/3/2016 at 20:53 (3,007 days old) by Countrydirt ()        
I've decided

After looking at all the different recommendations,reading reviews and checking out locations of dealers. I made an offer on the cirrus, it should be delivered later this week. I appreciate all of the assistance and guidance from all, thank you :-)

Post# 340605 , Reply# 43   1/3/2016 at 22:46 (3,007 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Post# 340633 , Reply# 44   1/4/2016 at 13:26 (3,006 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Wow! I'll stay FAR from the food fights, but..........

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yes, Panasonic did BUY the patents from HOOVER. Those Panasonics are fashioned after the HOOVER Dial-A-Matics. They always claimed to 'fix all the problems'. The Hoover "Concept series" did as well.

Whatever you choose, ENJOY your VACUUM.


Post# 340681 , Reply# 45   1/4/2016 at 22:02 (3,006 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

StrictlyBojack said: "The Cirrus, Riccar, Simplicity, Fuller Brush, Powr-Flite, Carpet Pro, are all the same basic machine design, all made, assembled, or imported by the Tacony corporation."

I don't think the Cirrus is a Tacony product. It seems to be a Chinese copy. Hopefully the sage Tom Gasko can clarify.


Post# 340686 , Reply# 46   1/5/2016 at 01:52 (3,005 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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The 1200w Henry had a very poor floorhead there was a lot of room for improvement there! Not so much room for improvement with the Miele or Sebo floorheads.

I will put my 2200w Miele S8 up against one of the 800w Eco models and we will see which one cleans better :)


Post# 340692 , Reply# 47   1/5/2016 at 08:53 (3,005 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Wrong thread, Paul.

Post# 340696 , Reply# 48   1/5/2016 at 09:41 (3,005 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

Hey Jeff, we're on the same page, although I'm far from an expert. I didn't think Cirrus had any connection to Tacony either. There's so many machines coming from China anymore, it's hard to keep up. I was wondering if Tom would have in input here to verify.

Post# 340697 , Reply# 49   1/5/2016 at 09:59 (3,005 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Haha I know it was very early :-)

Post# 340701 , Reply# 50   1/5/2016 at 10:52 (3,005 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Cirrus is a Chinese copy of a Bernina upright. It has nothing to do with tacony. Tacony's vacuums (Maytag, Simplicity, Riccar) are standouts with regard to your COST TO OWN. The repair parts (brush stips, belts, filters, bags) are very reasonable in cost and very commonly available. Tacony's machines are molded, painted, and manufactured in St. James, Missouri. Even if you don't give two shits about American workers having jobs, the fact that the quality control is so extremely high should guide you to a Tacony cleaner. The Chinese have no idea what the words "quality control" mean. That's why the canister cleaners Tacony has made for them in China are fully taken apart (every one of them) and inspected, reassembled, and boxed with American-Made attachments and power nozzles. The Chinese are NOT to be trusted blindly. They will put anything in a box to get it "out the door" to fill an order. When the VCCC visited the Tacony factory, they all walked past and were shown the Quality Control area. Tacony doesn't just send a Chinese canister product out into the field before it's disassembled and tested first before being reboxed. That's why no one is having a single problem with any Riccar Prima or Simplicity Wonder canister vacuum.

Post# 340719 , Reply# 51   1/5/2016 at 13:17 (3,005 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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If Tacony take apart and resemble cannisters made in China which is commendable why not make them in the US in the first place?

Post# 340767 , Reply# 52   1/6/2016 at 03:09 (3,004 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Yes,wouldn't it be cheaper and BETTER to build the machine in the US or whatever country it is to be sold in?In this case think the Chinese assembly could be eliminated.

Post# 340785 , Reply# 53   1/6/2016 at 11:08 (3,004 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Chinese assembly

Was discussed in great depth on this thread. 

 

 



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Post# 340786 , Reply# 54   1/6/2016 at 11:08 (3,004 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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I'm sure Tacony does the teardown and reassembly because it must somehow give them a significant cost savings to do so.

 

I'm sure it would be very costly to move the whole assembly line machinery and hire the extra employees needed to run it.


Post# 340793 , Reply# 55   1/6/2016 at 12:55 (3,004 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, it depends on your view on what describes a 100% American made product.

Screwdriver assembly as it is usually known as sometimes puts buyers noses out of joint. I dont mind it. In my view if a product is stripped down and made better for the market it has arrived in, all the better for it - but don't go falsely advertising an appliance if it has arrived from another country of origin where it is made from molds etc.


Post# 340809 , Reply# 56   1/6/2016 at 17:10 (3,004 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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I stand corrected, thank you Dysonman1, I hoped you would chime in. Here is the wiki break down of Tacony floorcare brands:

Home Floor Care
Riccar, Simplicity, Tacony Vac Pros, Fuller Brush Company

Commercial Floor Care
CFR, Powr-Flite, Truvox, Tornado.

My Power flight, pictured above looks exactly like my Carpet Pro which isn't listed.
Although being a Tacony labeled vac, this particular Powr model no doubt was made overseas.
I wrongly lumped Cirrus in to the group because I thought they were linked to Carpet Pro, and they might indeed be, but certainly not Tacony, thanks for clearing it up Tom.





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