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Thread Number: 30651
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Miele Eco Models |
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| Post# 339237 12/14/2015 at 06:59 (3,054 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 339239 , Reply# 1 12/14/2015 at 08:25 (3,054 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 339241 , Reply# 2 12/14/2015 at 08:44 (3,054 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 339245 , Reply# 3 12/14/2015 at 09:52 (3,054 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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High wattage does not equal more suction power. My vintage machines pick up just as well as any modern machine and the most powerful vintage cleaner I own is 1000w max. My current 620w Henry actual has a 10% suction increase over the old 1200w model, or so Numatic say. Personally, I haven't found ANY difference in actual suction power. | ||
| Post# 339248 , Reply# 4 12/14/2015 at 10:06 (3,054 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 339251 , Reply# 5 12/14/2015 at 10:17 (3,054 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Not necessarily. It doesn't just take suction to clean a carpet. Remember that with the lowering of wattages also came the "ratings" (which are just ridiculous and completely flawed). Many companies are redesigning brushrolls and floortools to give greater pick up to get higher ratings. For example. Vax completely redesigned the brushroll's on the Mach uprights and Numatic changed from the old style to a Wessel Werk Miele style floortool.
Also important to remember is that the public have, over the years, been conned into the believing that higher wattage motors are better. People are constantly surprised when I remind them that Dyson have never made a cleaner more powerful than 1400w and Numatic have never more a vacuum more powerful than 1200w and those are 2 of the best loved and biggest selling brands on the market today. The redesigned floortool could also be a huge marketing tool to combat the belief that lower power won't clean as well. | ||
| Post# 339255 , Reply# 6 12/14/2015 at 10:42 (3,054 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Miele used the word “AirTeq” to describe the heavier heavy duty style built Wessel Werk derived floor heads from Wessel Werk who designed them to fit vacuums with a heavier pull on flooring in general.
Miele then cashed in on the name “AirTeq” as a name added to mostly all of their current combi suction floor heads regardless of the weight differences. I can see why there is confusion here. I use the lower bands all the time on my Miele vacuums - I have no need for highest power - but then don’t forget the lower power bands aren’t supposed to be used with a turbo brush - there is a setting for carpets/turbo brush specifically higher up on the machine’s suction settings - the lower ones are there for use with the cleaning tools or cleaning soft and delicate upholstery or furnishings. Even SEBO vacuums with the lowest band of power offers up very little spin speed compared to the highest or middle settings. Floor heads have been made heavier to compensate for the lack of pull. I recall Chris had a Vax cylinder at some point which had a redesigned combi floor head where the inner suction channels have been covered over -these have been added purely to justify or get around the EU test criteria. In use it may well provide more suction downforce on the floors rather than lighter gliding. Another way then to compensate for the lack of pull. Respectively, vintage vacs aren't half as well built in some cases as some German brands today. Better sealing, better concentrated airflow and better durability - in some cases of course. Lower power "back in the day" versus lower power today isn't the same in my opinion.
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| Post# 339256 , Reply# 7 12/14/2015 at 10:43 (3,054 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 339257 , Reply# 8 12/14/2015 at 10:49 (3,054 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I have a K1 Eco 700 and a K1 Pet 2100 watt. Both are as good as each other. There is some lack of power noticeable -especially in the lowest mode but SEBO have got around this with the use of their renamed Kombi Deluxe combi tool - it is now called Kombi without the "Deluxe" tag and has removable side channel partitions in the dust channels on the sole plate. They don't make a huge difference in my opinion; obviously put there to get around the EU testing criteria.
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| Post# 339265 , Reply# 9 12/14/2015 at 11:23 (3,054 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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There will of course be a suction difference, but ultimately, the real test is whether or not you can clean just as effectively. Which also begs the question, how much suction power do you actually need to clean the floor and how much is actually wasted power? If 700w of suction power picks up the same amount of dirt from a carpet as a 2200w motor, that's 1500w of wasted power. That is, after all, what the new EU regs are all about. | ||
| Post# 339268 , Reply# 10 12/14/2015 at 11:33 (3,054 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 339273 , Reply# 11 12/14/2015 at 12:15 (3,054 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The expectation that a vacuum should be faster than it was 20 to 30 years ago should be taken into account though.
Also if the brand concerned have produced a crap floor head to justify Eco tags which then prevents faster or more efficient cleaning, then I can't see it any time "saved" where energy of the machine is left switched on for longer. Not all brands are the same. Some leak more air regardless of whether they are eco tagged vacs or not. I've always thought the SEBO X4 at 1300 watts has enough power without it being energy deficient. You'll know already that SEBO were at the forefront when they first appeared with products appearing with 650 watts to 1300 watts. Even a vacuum at 1400 watts would be powerful enough without being classed as high; after all, its 100 watts off basic starter 1.5kw/1500 watt convector heaters - an area that has yet to be hit with eco laws. | ||
| Post# 339274 , Reply# 12 12/14/2015 at 12:30 (3,054 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 339283 , Reply# 14 12/14/2015 at 16:21 (3,054 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR) | ||
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the Miele S7580 AutoEco was a competent performer in Consumer Reports testing, but it wasn't nearly as good as the full power versions (e.g. Miele Dynamic U1 Twist). I would be curious to know how the performance difference changes as the bags fill. | ||
| Post# 339323 , Reply# 15 12/15/2015 at 00:31 (3,053 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Convector heaters vs vacuums with high power
Good points - however I know from experience that convector heaters and oil radiators are expensive to run. I used to live in a flat that had no central heating in Glasgow and it was in the 1990s. Id be spending £70 a week on electricity cards knowing back then the mark up that companies were taking off the cards to supply power. The heaters would take a huge chunk of available power on the cards whereas the old water immerser boiler wasn't all that energy deficient. Not when living on your own anyway.
That was at the time when I got into collecting vacuums. My main vacuum at the time was a 1700 watt Hoover Telios. It didn't take up a lot of power charge from the cards I kept buying compared to those heaters. Due to power cards I was able to work out which appliances took up the highest power from the constant top up cards. Oil radiators are not energy efficient either - the better ones from Dimplex/Glen appeared only a few years ago with metal bars under oil radiator like fins replace oil filled types. These heat up and similiarly heat up the fins inside designed to direct the heat upwards. Panel heaters are far more efficient but have less power, creating a warm border of heat compared to the far more powerful convector heaters. 3kw kettles can be energy efficient = provided you boil the amount of water in small amounts rather than boiling up all 1.5 or 1.7 litres in one go. | ||
| Post# 339392 , Reply# 16 12/15/2015 at 17:45 (3,053 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"...the Miele S7580 AutoEco was a competent performer in Consumer Reports testing, but it wasn't nearly as good as the full power versions (e.g. Miele Dynamic U1 Twist). I would be curious to know how the performance difference changes as the bags fill..."
Well, firstly I wouldn't read too much in whatever CI report. For starters both the U.S versions of the S7 in terms of the S7580 and the later Miele Dynamic U1 Twist have the SAME 1200 watt motor - here in the U.K (and as far as I remember) the previous motors were 1800 watts compared to the 1500 watts now on sale because or our European law to reduce vacuum wattage - this of course doesn't affect America or other countries outside Europe. The only possibility are the suction settings - but then there are apparently 6 with the previous and 4 with the new range/where the base level Dynamic U1 is concerned. | ||
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