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Post# 336563   10/30/2015 at 14:45 (3,099 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        

Hey everyone. Well, this is the second time this year where the lack of proper communication between a vacuum dealer and the manufacturer has caused me problems, and I'm beginning to think this is fairly common, I know we have some dealers on these forums, so I'm just wondering if this is common, or if I'm just expecting too much. I do believe it's a consumer's responsibility to research a product before they purchase it, but at the same time, it is a dealer's responsibility to keep up with changes in products from manufacturers that they deal with, and also to verify that the information the manufacturers provide them is correct. Recently, I decided to give the Electrolux Ultra One a try, I know some on here didn't think it was very good, but others really like it, you will probably see that with any vacuum. There are 3 ultra one models, the classic, the signature and the deluxe. I looked at the Electrolux web site to try and discover what the differences were, but the way the features were listed made this rather difficult. So, I contacted a major internet vacuum store who is an official Electrolux dealer. I was told that the main difference was the attachments that were included, but that the canister and hose were the same. I was told that the classic model, although it did not include a power head, did include an electric hose and could be upgraded later. I have all hard floors so don't need a floor power nozzle, but I do have a mini electric brush that I use for above floor cleaning. I decided to purchase from this dealer since they offered me a 10 percent discount, and went ahead and purchased the classic model. It arrived yesterday, and I discovered that what I was told was incorrect. It turns out that the ultra one classic is a straight suction model, although that makes the price even more puzzling. It sells for $599, and they gave me a discount so I paid $540. for a straight suction canister, that is a ridiculous price, considering that the Miele c1 Olympus sells for $329 and the Sebo K2 sells for $399, and the ultra one classic is very similar to these, if it could support a power head, I could see this being an appropriate price, but not for a straight suction model. I contacted the dealer and told them that either I received the wrong product or I was told inaccurate information. It turns out that on this dealer's web site, it also says that there is a power switch on the hose for this model, which is also incorrect. Apparently, this was the information that Electrolux gave them as far as what this model included. In this case, I think it's partially Electrolux's fault and partially the dealer's. Electrolux gave them incorrect information, but when this model was introduced, the dealer should have actually opened one up to make sure that the information they were provided was correct. So, I can choose to keep this model which I probably won't do because it's very overpriced for a straight suction canister, I can send it back for a refund, or send it back and exchange it for the next model up which does have a power nozzle and thus, would have an electric hose I could use for the mini brush. None of this would have happened if I had been given the correct information in the first place that the ultra one classic is a straight suction model with no electric hose.
The other situation happened earlier this year right before I got my prima. I was considering the Riccar Star Bright, and we have a local store here who is a Tacony dealer. I went ahead and ordered one, then found out that it was being discontinued in favor of the Prima. The store was completely unaware that the Star Bright was being discontinued, and had never even heard of the Prima. I ended up canceling the order, and got most of my money back for it, but I did lose $20 since they would need to ship the Star Bright they ordered for me back. Again, this would not have happened if the store was up to date on Tacony products, they could have told me that the star bright was being discontinued and offered me the Prima. Granted, if I would have taken it, I would have probably paid a bit more for it than I did from the outlet store, but still, the lack of being up to date on the dealer's part led to things being far more complicated than necessary.
It seems to me that there is a major lack of communication between manufacturers and the dealers who represent them, and I think this is something that really needs to be improved. I will let everyone know what I decide to do about the ultra one classic situation, but wondering if anyone else has had experiences such as this.




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Post# 336566 , Reply# 1   10/30/2015 at 15:37 (3,099 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"I can send it back for a refund, or send it back and exchange it for the next model up which does have a power nozzle and thus, would have an electric hose I could use for the mini brush. None of this would have happened if I had been given the correct information in the first place that the ultra one classic is a straight suction model with no electric hose. "

The quick answer here is that if you want your vacuum for your mini electric attachment, send back the Classic model and exchange it for the model that features the electric head/hose.

Now for the long answer...




This post was last edited 10/30/2015 at 15:57
Post# 336567 , Reply# 2   10/30/2015 at 15:48 (3,099 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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As for the rest, not all dealers read off the same hymn book in terms of customer information, product information and sales tactics. Sometimes the "blame" can come down to a number of possibilities:

1) Wrong actual info from the brand themselves as they haven't updated their website - I have bought Electrolux products recently but they are not alone. Miele in the UK have had to be contacted due to showing canister pics from other country websites that show power nozzle models that were previously unavailable in the UK. Few websites admin keep up to date with website info to benefit the buyer.

2) What constitutes as “proper communication” though? In actual reality it is only ever going to be in the dealer’s favour to sell what they have in stock rather than buying models in every few months unless they have enough custom and profit to be able to afford the “latest” model. They may well sell a Classic model on the basic spec but change the floor nozzle if it suits them or to offer something different to near rival shops/sellers. This can cause problems to the buyer if they have been led by what the brand states, but if the model in question has a freebie or reduced price, buyers minds are swayed to accept the compromise.

3) There are too many vacuums on the market that the brands are bringing out every couple of months and with different spec sheets that it is hard for retailers to keep a gist of what is going on. Similarly with mark up prices by independents, it is also hard to find what the actual retail price is before inflation. This is why buyers are forced to shop around; they're not just shopping around for the best prices but rather, proper and factual info.

What you have gone through is atrocious, but you're not alone!

In the UK I think we are covered by two acts where purchasing is concerned (there may be more)

The Consumer Protection Act 1987
This protects the public by:

Prohibiting the manufacture and supply of unsafe goods
Making the manufacturer or seller of a defective product responsible for damage it causes
Allowing local councils to seize unsafe goods and suspend the sale of suspected unsafe goods
Prohibiting misleading price indications

The Trade Descriptions Act 1968

The Trade Descriptions Act makes it an offence for a trader to make false or misleading statements about goods or services. It carries criminal penalties and is enforced by Trading Standards Officers, making it an offence for a trader to:

Apply a false trade description to any goods
Supply or offer to supply any goods to which a false trade description has been applied
Make certain kinds of false statement about the provision of any services, facilities or accommodation




Post# 336618 , Reply# 3   10/31/2015 at 09:54 (3,098 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
my decision on the ultra one classic

Ok, I think I have decided what I'm going to do. The dealer told me that if I wanted to send it back, they would pay the shipping so it wouldn't cost me anything. After doing some cleaning with it, I think I will go ahead and keep it. It's not a perfect vacuum, but then what vacuum is? There is always going to be things you like and don't like about a certain model or brand. The real question is, does the good outweigh the bad? What I said in my first post definitely applies, manufacturers and dealers need to be sure that what they are telling us is accurate and up to date, there is no good reason why this should not be possible. I have several other canisters that I can use my mini electric brush with, and, actually, a straight suction hose is lighter than an electric one. I will be posting a review of this model once I've had a bit more time with it. This is probably the last vacuum I will get for a while, I'm not really in to uprights, and I don't like any bagless vacuum. So, I now have a bagged central vacuum unit and a bagged canister by all of the top quality brands.

Post# 336621 , Reply# 4   10/31/2015 at 10:25 (3,098 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
electrolux web site

I went back and took another hard look at the electrolux web site, in particular, the descriptions of the ultra one classic and ultra one signature. It's definitely confusing and some things are actually totally inaccurate. For example, in the description of the ultra one classic, it says that the suction is adjusted with a touch of a button. Wrong. The classic has a knob for adjusting the suction, not buttons. For the hose type, it says standard. Now, when you look at the description of the ultra one signature, it says it includes a power head, but in the specifications, it also says the hose type is standard. That is inaccurate, that should say electric, or perhaps standard electric, but not just standard, this would lead you to believe that the hoses on both models are the same, when in fact they are not. So, what we have here is a manufacturer that doesn't even describe their products accurately on their own web site, that is a serious problem. Manufacturers need to devote as much resources to their web site, and making sure the descriptions are accurate and up to date as they do for making the products themselves, anything less is unacceptable, and I will be contacting them about this for sure.

Post# 336625 , Reply# 5   10/31/2015 at 11:45 (3,098 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think its a wise decision for you to contact them. Certainly if there is an American type law where descriptions are not accurate you could throw it at them as it isn't right what Electrolux are displaying.

Mind you, they're not any better in the UK and the Ultra One model has had a few bad opinions on here. The plastics on the models aren't very good in so far as what I've heard. I always wanted one but the build quality complaints and general image that Electrolux now has with all its confusing products and bare faced lies makes me think twice.

Their AEG company that is "Made in Germany," is a bare faced lie for example - mostly all their products are made in China!


Post# 336677 , Reply# 6   10/31/2015 at 23:12 (3,097 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
ultra one build quality

From what I can tell, the build quality on this vacuum is good, it's definitely plastic, I guess time will tell how good it is. There are definitely laws here against false advertising, or saying a product is a certain thing when it isn't. I did send them an email reporting the problem, I was polite about it, but I did say that it looks pretty bad when a manufacturer has incorrect information about their products on their own web site. Who knows if it will make any difference. I was actually showing it to my girl friend, and she thinks she may want this one for her new apartment, she really liked it.

Post# 336712 , Reply# 7   11/1/2015 at 14:00 (3,097 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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