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Post# 334901   9/30/2015 at 14:27 (3,121 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        

Hey everyone, wondering if anyone has any experience with either one of these. I knew pro team made back pack vacuums, but was not aware that they also made canisters, are these bagged or bagless? Also, was looking on Amazon and saw a vacuum brand named fuller brush, has anyone ever heard of that and if so, how's the quality. They got some decent reviews.

Post# 334908 , Reply# 1   9/30/2015 at 15:33 (3,121 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Fuller Brush line of vacuums is good quality and people like the performance. In fact, the Fuller Brush Speedy Maid is actually a Simplicity 8 pound upright. The Fuller Brush Home Maid canisters are quiet, efficient, and are a great value for the money.

Post# 334917 , Reply# 2   9/30/2015 at 16:02 (3,121 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
I've used

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A proteam runningvac. It was not quite as powerful as the super coach backpacks, i have a feeling that part of that was due to it using a longer hose. I felt like it was quieter than the backpacks, but according to their website they both run at 66db Maybe it's just because it's further away from your ears. I thought it was an alright vacuum i'd rather use the backpacks due to their superior pickup, but i'd use the runningvac again.

Post# 334918 , Reply# 3   9/30/2015 at 16:03 (3,121 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
oh

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And they use an open top bag. When emptying you would want to to set the unit on it's end.

Post# 334963 , Reply# 4   9/30/2015 at 22:24 (3,120 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
fuller brush canister

I wonder if the fuller brush home made canister model is their own product or if it's a rebrand of another company's product. I've actually never heard of that company before.

Post# 334974 , Reply# 5   10/1/2015 at 00:58 (3,120 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

ProTeam now makes closed top bags for their backpack canisters-all models.You can use the open or closed top bags-choice is up to you.The closed bags just cost a little more.Guess the idea is their are cleaner-and better for folks with allergies.You can dump the open top bags only so often-like on TriStar Compacts before the pores of the bag are clogged.ProTeam does indeed make commercial canisters-almost their backpack machines with wheels instead of the backpack.One is so you can use it either way.You can put the backpack on it,or use the wheels and longer hose as a wheeled canister.

Post# 335080 , Reply# 6   10/2/2015 at 16:04 (3,119 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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I've used the Proteam RunningVac canister, and while it does have great suction when everything is clean (new bag, clean filters), it didn't really perform all that well on carpet due to it's lack of power nozzle or any kind of brushes on the floor tool. The bag would only fill around 1/3-1/2 full before losing a great deal of suction, and the vacuum itself was constantly knocking into things. I've also used the backpack version, and had pretty much the same complaints about it- lack of any brush on the floor tool seriously limited it's performance on carpet, loss of suction as the bag filled, and add to that the weight of the thing on your back; not a fan. Both jobs I took in an upright when I needed to vacuum which did the job far better and much easier.

Post# 335151 , Reply# 7   10/3/2015 at 20:23 (3,117 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA)        

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The fuller brush vacuums are made by tacony, the makers of simplicity/riccar vacuums, the only difference is simplicity/riccar is made in the usa and fuller brush is made in china.

Post# 335240 , Reply# 8   10/5/2015 at 13:00 (3,116 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
proteam vacuums

Interestingly, most pro team vacuums do not have power nozzles, so their performance on carpet is probably not very good.

Post# 335290 , Reply# 9   10/6/2015 at 03:05 (3,115 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Commercial cleaners are not really concerned about power nozzles on their canisters.For that type of work they would use a Sanitaire type upright vacuum.The backpack or other canister is just for the surface stuff.-and of course bare floors.The ProTeam manual says to use the floor tools in a manner like you are mopping the floor-you swing the tool side-to-side like a mop.Good for large areas-but small areas you have to use it like a regular canister vacuum.I have been using one of my ProTeam backpacks-kinda nice-but it can be troublesome to strap it on just for a small job.For longer use-its fine.Takes getting used to it.I have another ProTeam vac fastened to a janitor cart-Bulky but nice-has a 50Ft central vac hose.Vacuum my car in the garage with the machine in the kitchen!Just bring the hose a tools to the car.Also could use one of my central vacuums.Just use them as a canister-no plumbing-just the long hose.These came from a trade in pile.Kinda fun to use.Like the NSS-they can slurp the stuff up!

Post# 335304 , Reply# 10   10/6/2015 at 09:12 (3,115 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Backpack vacs always sound cool, but I am so clumsy I would turn around and destroy something priceless I am SURE!

Post# 335306 , Reply# 11   10/6/2015 at 09:33 (3,115 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Backpack performance

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They do offer a power nozzle kit with the wessel werk ebk340 for the sierra.

I actually like the performance of their backpack vacuums, we have a few different models at work but the main ones i use are the Super coach 10 and the newer super coach pro 6. The pro has a more powerful motor, post motor hepa filters, a triangular body, and comes standard with the new X-over tool.

the new X-over tool is a large improvement over their old carpet glider tool, it picks up denser objects a lot fast (paper clips, pennys, etc)

In certain areas i'll exclusively use the backpacks, because they are much easier to maneuver around furniture and desks, without having to worry about a brushroll to gobble up the cords underneath.


Post# 335350 , Reply# 12   10/7/2015 at 02:38 (3,114 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have the ProTeam FS6 mounted on the cart.It has the triangular body.Like this one a lot-becoming a favorite.I have a cylinder style PV100-6Qt bag-7A motor.Its an older model.It works well.I beleive the Sierra was marketed for home use too-thus the powernozzle.As mentioned commercial users don't typically use powernozzles-hazards of the beater bar tangling cables-and frequent belt-roller replacement if powernozzles used commerically.Its cheaper to use Saintares and such for that.

Post# 335372 , Reply# 13   10/7/2015 at 12:57 (3,114 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
central vacuums

I have my central vacuum units set up the same way in my apartment, one in each room. Just put a utility valve right on the in take, connect a central vacuum hose and I can clean my entire apartment with the full power of the vacuum since there are no pipes, works great.

Post# 335376 , Reply# 14   10/7/2015 at 14:39 (3,114 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Where do you exhaust the central vac unit if it is in an apt.?

Post# 335381 , Reply# 15   10/7/2015 at 16:10 (3,114 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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Gary, there are central vac brands now that have exhaust HEPA filters as standard or optional equipment now. Nilfisk being one of them, among others. The HEPA filter Nilfisk uses is the Eureka HF9 HEPA filter that was used on the Eureka Victory & Eureka Whirlwind vacuums in the late 90's & early 2000's, since they are manufactured for them by Electrolux AB in Sweden.

Rob


Post# 335385 , Reply# 16   10/7/2015 at 20:04 (3,113 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
exhausting central vacuum

They just exhaust at the unit. All of my central vacuums use bags, so their filtration is similar to other bagged vacuums. I had one bagless unit, my Beam 275c, but I converted it in to a bag unit. I guess when it comes to central vacuums, the debate for bagged and bagless is the same, but there is one extra thing to think about. The central vacuums that are true cyclonic must be vented outside, and, while there are no filters to replace, any dust that is not captured by the cyclones will go through the motor in order to be vented outside, dust going through the motor is motor failure waiting to happen. Also, these vacuums have a screen that functions as a filter that must be cleaned in order to prevent loss of airflow. Also, with bagless central vacuums that use an inverted filter such as the beam, they can claim all they want that the filter cleans itself each time the vacuum is turned off. They may shed the majority of what is vacuumed, but dust still gets inbeded in to these filters. Converting that vacuum to use bags was the best thing I could have done for it.

Post# 335403 , Reply# 17   10/8/2015 at 02:51 (3,113 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I too,use the two NuTone central vacs in my collection as "giant canisters"The 550 model uses GIANT 8Gal Filtrete material-bags-HEPA rated as marked on the bag.One of the central vacuum dealers does carry a HEPA filter that can be added to any central unit that doesn't have one and had to be vented inside.In some homes the machine can't be vented to the outside.I am going to see if the place where I got these machines from their trade in pile have filtrete type bags for the 450 model I also have.The real Filtrete bags are going to let less stuff get into the motors.This can KILL central vac motors!These vacs run on 13A 120V.Same power draw as my NSS M1.My Mom used to live in a place that had an older NuTone vacuum that used the dump bin and a pleated like filter.when I visit her my job was to dump that thing.HATED bagless central vacuums from those experiences.Over the year the unit collected many gallons of stuff and the filter would be caked in the junk,too.Would dump the bin in the woods and bang the filter against a tree to get rid of the fines.Worked OK.But got dusty afterward and had to take a shower to wash off the dirt.And a pipe in the attic would occasionally clog-you could take it apart to clean it.And the wasps up there to help!!!She also lived in a place that had a Black&Decker central unit-it used a bag.showed her how to empty it---you didn't get dirty!!!Just lift the top lid-pull the bag out--and put in a new one!!Took less than five min.Told her she could do it-but guess the bag when full was too heavy for her.I didn't mind "emptying" the B&D unit.

Post# 335406 , Reply# 18   10/8/2015 at 07:17 (3,113 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Isn't a central vac unit, that is used in an apartment, very loud? I know in the 2 homes I owned that had central vac, the units (one was a Beam, the other a Hoover), they were very loud. Neither one was exhausted outside and neither one had an exhaust muffler.

Gary


Post# 335410 , Reply# 19   10/8/2015 at 10:23 (3,113 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
central vac loudness

Some central vacs are louder than others. My beam is the loudest by far, putting a muffler on it helps somewhat. On the other hand, some are very quiet but very powerful. My purvac barracuda uses a really good Dommel motor, 780 air watts, but you could still have a normal conversation while you are in the same room, no muffler needed. This motor is also used in the Drainvac Viper unit. My other central vacuum units would fall in between these two as far as sound level. I've never had my neighbors complain, and being a vacuum geek, I tend to run them a lot. I would say none of them are any louder than some wet dry vacs. Most central vacuum units also have a switch on the unit that makes it much easier to use as a canister vacuum, you don't have to mess with connecting wires to the utility valve. One of my units does not have this, the vacumaid sr 800. Kind of annoying having to mess with wires, I was considering the purchase of a Galaxie unit to add to the collection, but when I found that it didn't have a switch, I decided not to get it. So, here is how the apartment is laid out. My beam 275c sits in a corner of the kitchen, in the dining room I have an MD manufacturing flomaster M85, in a corner of the living room I have the Purvac Baracuda, in my bedroom I have the Vacumaid SR 800, in my other bedroom that I use as an office, I have a vacumaid garage vac pro, this is actually a vacuum that was not designed to have pipes, it just has a valve built in to the front of it, but it uses an ametek motor that is used in central vacuums, a 5.7 two stage. In my closet I have an Aspria Flomentum unit, I will pull that out from time to time, it's a bagged unit with a good Ametek 6.6 motor. I also have an Intervac h120, this one is not as powerful as the others, only 400 air watts, but it's really portable, again, this one has the valve right on the unit, it's more designed for garages or apartments.

Post# 335454 , Reply# 20   10/9/2015 at 03:05 (3,112 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Looks like I will need more central units--one for each room?The NuTones I have arren't really that loud.Not as quiet as regular canisters-but not as bad as you think.The ones I have are 450,550 airwatts.you can only go so high on that before you will need to run the machine from 220-240V.Usually a 15-20A 240V outlet.The 240V machines typically have two motors.My NuToneCV450 has two 6A 120V full bypass two stage motors.These machines generate high suction "pressure" unlike the high CFM the NSS model M1 produces.It draws the same power as my central units-about 13A 120V.I have a Tornado ext filter single motor wet-dry unit that runs at 15A 120V.Like the NSS this one has VERY high CFM.The place where I get my machines from-trade in pile-is a MD central unit dealer.He always keeps an eye out fro units for me as well as regular vacuums.I get first look in the trade ins.

Post# 335473 , Reply# 21   10/9/2015 at 14:59 (3,112 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
two motor units

I don't have any 220 volt outlets in my apartment, wish I did, I would get the drain vac twin turbo, it has two motors with a total of 12 fans. There are some two motor units that run at 120 volts, but not sure how powerful they would be. I don't have any dedicated circuits for my central units, but have not had any problems with tripping breakers. I'm wondering if having two motors makes a big difference? If you have two motors in series, you will increase the suction pressure which may make a difference, but if you have the two motors in parallel which is how I think most two motor units are made, it increases the air flow, but that will still be restricted by the hose and attachments. This is why it's always best to have a central vacuum hose with the larger diameter. I've thought about getting the drainvac turbo or the purvac great white, these both use two motors and run on 120 volts, I wonder if this would actually perform better than a unit with a large motor such as the Ametek 8.4 inch motor.

Post# 335498 , Reply# 22   10/10/2015 at 00:57 (3,111 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

My NuTone CV450 has two 120V 6A 2 stage motors that run from 120V.The motors are in series for the airpath.the machine gives both high suction and airflow.The NuTone 550 machine has only one 5.7" two stage motor.this was the one that had to be cleaned out from a burst improper bag.Both of these machines use 13A.Their instructions suggest running them from a 20A outlet-they run fine from a 15A.they have the same current draw as my favorite "canister" the NSS M1.Liking these central machines,more as I use them.With just the 50Ft hose and no other plumbing-indeed they are more powerful than portable canisters.The NuTone 1000 series machines have 2 motors are run from 20A 240V.I am figuring that is alloted 10A for each motor at 240V.That machine must be a real bear!!BUT------you can only force so much air thru 1.25,1.5,2" hoses-even if you used a jet engine.Like another thing--you can only force so much light thru a 35MM apeture for 35MM film projectors.
The drainvac sounds interesting-but don't want it dumping in my septic tank-guess would have to use it like a Rainbow-dump its water bin outside.This is the self dump one?


Post# 335544 , Reply# 23   10/11/2015 at 07:10 (3,110 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Drainvac

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they offer different ranges, the Automatik range uses the self flushing water system, they also have a cyclonic series, but most of the units I've seen are bagged.

I used to have a special edition Drainvac, it was powerful, quiet, compact, and used a bag system. It could pull a 7.5 at the end of a 30 ft hanmi hose, for comparison the broan cv40-b, which used two motors pulled 5.5. It was quieter than most portable vacuums.


Post# 335564 , Reply# 24   10/11/2015 at 15:16 (3,110 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
drainvac units

The drainvac unit I was thinking of does not flush in to the sewer system, they do make some models that do that, but the ones I was thinking of are hybrid units, they can use a bag or use a bucket that you empty out. Not sure if I could get one of those autoflush systems to work in an apartment, would have to do some water hook up for that.

Post# 335589 , Reply# 25   10/12/2015 at 03:00 (3,109 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Interesting machines-the Drainvacs sound good.Glad that you can use a bag in them.there is now no way I want to deal with several gallons of debris a central vac could collect over 6 months.Could e worse than Shop Vacs.I can't allow a machine to dump the debris into my septic tank.Would rather have the trash deal with it.


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