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Post# 33214   2/25/2008 at 16:40 (5,903 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

...Model 800 powerhead! ;)

Post# 33215 , Reply# 1   2/25/2008 at 16:50 (5,903 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

NICE! :-)

I just love MonsterVacs!! :-D

~~K~~


Post# 33221 , Reply# 2   2/25/2008 at 17:26 (5,903 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
now that

is a powerhead with some BALLS

Post# 33222 , Reply# 3   2/25/2008 at 17:30 (5,903 days old) by charles~richard ()        

EXCELLENT!!!


Post# 33228 , Reply# 4   2/25/2008 at 18:49 (5,903 days old) by frkirby511 ()        

A classic for sure!

Post# 33238 , Reply# 5   2/25/2008 at 20:48 (5,903 days old) by lux1521 ()        

Now thats sweet looking. I'd considered rigging my 541 and 725 together like that but it would never look nearly as good at that.

It's just too bad that there is no real performance advantage that I can see. I think the 800 could actualy move more air than a minor could, even with the brush roll load. Now if you hooked it up to a 541/543 or earlier machine I think it could make for a performance increase.

Performance aside, what you do have is intimidation and wow factor! Between the rarity of the minor and the overall coolness of the rig it is very impressive!


Post# 33258 , Reply# 6   2/26/2008 at 00:41 (5,903 days old) by swingette ()        

I call that "The Major and the Minor"

Post# 33296 , Reply# 7   2/26/2008 at 10:08 (5,902 days old) by 74simon ()        

Fantastic! We await the video ;-)

Post# 33303 , Reply# 8   2/26/2008 at 11:04 (5,902 days old) by ian88 ()        

I'm sure it's just an aesthetic exercise :P rather than anything of any practical use.

Heck, for all I know Hoover really experimented with that lol.


Post# 33309 , Reply# 9   2/26/2008 at 11:41 (5,902 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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Ok, some of you have actual drawing talent. One or more of you should come up with concepts of what a 1920s-30s Hoover canister with a powerhead would look like if such a thing were made then. And the first picture in this thread is superb!

Post# 33314 , Reply# 10   2/26/2008 at 12:04 (5,902 days old) by swingette ()        

cool idea, alan!

Post# 33332 , Reply# 11   2/26/2008 at 14:33 (5,902 days old) by watsonw (Newport, Shropshire, UK)        

Does Jack have a 'Heavy Goods Vehicle' drivers licence for for this essemble ? LOL.

Jack, just how does the suction of the minor compare with that of say....the 800 ?

Regards, W.


Post# 33333 , Reply# 12   2/26/2008 at 14:45 (5,902 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Here's one they patented earlier!

Voila! Genuine patent, filed on behalf of Howard Earl Hoover in 1919, for a powerhead for a central-vacuum system!

Post# 33334 , Reply# 13   2/26/2008 at 14:46 (5,902 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
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Post# 33335 , Reply# 14   2/26/2008 at 14:47 (5,902 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
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Post# 33337 , Reply# 15   2/26/2008 at 14:58 (5,902 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
A similar design...

...filed a few days later:

Post# 33338 , Reply# 16   2/26/2008 at 14:59 (5,902 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Side view:

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Post# 33343 , Reply# 17   2/26/2008 at 17:02 (5,902 days old) by ian88 ()        

I do wonder why they didn't make it in the end.

I feel the industry would still feel the (positive) repercussions even now :)


Post# 33347 , Reply# 18   2/26/2008 at 17:41 (5,902 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
My theory is...

I'd guess the reason they designed and patented their powerhead, at a time when they didn't manufacture any machine that would benefit from it, was to stop other manufacturers using the idea and selling them with their central vac / canister systems. This way, Hoover could ensure they always had the upper-hand over the central-vac design - however convenient a C-V was, the manufacturers would only ever be able to make straight-suction machines, which Hoover had already made largely obsolete.

It's a good technique; think of all the good ideas first, even if you don't intend to use them. Then patent the technology to stop other manufacturers using them, so your machine is always superior!


Post# 33364 , Reply# 19   2/26/2008 at 20:02 (5,902 days old) by ian88 ()        

Oh it's like the on board tools they tried? :)

Post# 33399 , Reply# 20   2/27/2008 at 09:36 (5,901 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Do we know for certain that they didnt manufacture it? The Bessborough Hotel in Saskatoon Sk, is still using its oringinal 1912 central vac and every outlet has a special plug next to it (Two prong twist lock). I was told by the maintenance guy that they were for the original power heads (which, unfortunately, have long ago been disposed of) so someone must have made them at that time.

Post# 33411 , Reply# 21   2/27/2008 at 11:33 (5,901 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
I've never heard of an early Hoover powerhead being sold

...and I'm sure with the huge amount of shared-knowlege within this forum, it would have been known about before now.

Also, 1912 would pre-date Hoover's patent by some years, so it's possible that Hoover used existing technology which had already been available on the market, and simply patented their own, improved design.

Therefore, it's possible that powerheads were made by other companies, before and after the patent was filed - in the same way Dyson's patent on dual-cyclone technology doesn't prevent other manufacturers offering cyclonic machines. It just makes sure no one else can use the most efficient design, giving Dyson the clear selling point over competition.

As with the Hoover/Airway battles over Hoover's patented beater-bars and Airway's patented dustbags, it is possible to get away with using a design similar to one that's patented, as long as it's different enough to be considered not to be an infringement. Airway's beaters were not distinct enough from the Hoover Agitator, so they lost the case. Hoover's 'Hygenisacs' were different to the Airway design, because they were re-useable, so Hoover won.

I know little about central vacs, since they're almost unheard of in this country. Maybe someone else would be able to give a definite answer?


Post# 33427 , Reply# 22   2/27/2008 at 13:33 (5,901 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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LOL - I find that funny considering that some of the earliest central vacs (then called stationary cleaners) were made by the British Vacuum Cleaner Co. (Goblin) with the first ones being installed in Windsor Castle and Buckingham Palace according to the Goblin history brochure I have. Alot of the larger homes in England and even department stores and other large buildings (Notably the Houses of Parliament, Savoy Hotel, Empire, Leicester Square and Gaiety Theatres) had them in the earlier years. Strange that the practice seems to have died off there now.


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