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Thread Number: 29720
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
electrolux ultra one series |
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| Post# 331186 , Reply# 1 8/7/2015 at 14:51 (3,177 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Post# 331188 , Reply# 2 8/7/2015 at 14:56 (3,177 days old) by n0oxy  (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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Interesting, sounds like perhaps it's overpriced. Perhaps I will pick up a starbright and a prima tomorrow instead. According to consumer reports, the Electrolux vacuums do seem to require a lot of repair, I don't trust everything that magazine says though. | ||
| Post# 331198 , Reply# 3 8/7/2015 at 16:56 (3,177 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
Engineered to fail
N0oxy wrote: The one thing that concerns me about these is that the speed control is electronic, which means they have a circuit board that could fail. Actually, if you want to reduce suction, I think the best way is just to have a valve on the hose. This way you're not having to mess with any kind of speed control at all, I wonder why so many manufacturers go the way of changing motor speed, it's just one more thing that could go out...
I reply: That's precisely why they do it. Manufacturers today DON'T WANT their products to last 30 or 40 years like they did back in the good old days. They WANT their shit to fail and the sooner after the warranty expires, the better. A relatively short replacement cycle is good for short term revenues and since they can't see past the next quarterly sales report, that's the way they play it. Circuit boards are perfect for this ploy because manufacturers can use them to build in nifty features to wow the customer on the sales floor and then in a couple of years, they become a de facto self-destruct mechanism for the product when they inevitably fail. Put a one- or two-year warranty on the thing and design it to fail in three or four years and you've duped most customers into thinking they've gotten their money's worth while mostly dodging the warranty bullet. And the consumers just line up and buy another one, not that they really have that much of a choice anymore. | ||
| Post# 331202 , Reply# 4 8/7/2015 at 18:43 (3,177 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
2 speeds, no circuit board Just a note. All Kirby vacuums since 1965 have a 2 speed motor, Low for vacuuming carpets and High speed for above floor cleaning with the hose and tools. As far as I know there is no circuit board inside.
Seems to me that manufacturers of canister vacs could provide 2 speeds without any circuit board. But I'm sure they know this but don't do it for the reasons stated by Human in the previous post.
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| Post# 331208 , Reply# 5 8/7/2015 at 21:01 (3,177 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 331212 , Reply# 6 8/7/2015 at 22:00 (3,177 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Brian
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more if I tried! I totally agree with Tom on this one. Tom, I can totally see why you would sell your Electrolux UltraOne. It's a very nice cleaner, but no match for other TOL cleaners from Riccar/Simplicity, Miele, Sebo & Lindhaus.
The Riccar/Simplicity canisters, in particular, completely outclass the Electrolux & blow it right out of the water. The Electrolux UltraOne has lots of nice features & sleek styling & appearance....but that's where it ends. The HEPA filters may be cheaper & can be found in generic form, but their bags are ridiculously small, the Riccar/Simplicity canister bags are just as good & much bigger. The 3 in 1 tool is nowhere near as good as the Riccar/Simplicity 3 in 1 tool, the dust brush side of the Electrolux tool, the bristles are too short & it tries to stick to surfaces it is trying to dust. It is also too short as a crevice tool. In order to get useful tools for a Electrolux canister, you must buy Beam Q central vac tools & use them, at least this has been my experience with my Electrolux UltraCaptic. Even the Aerus-Electrolux style 2 in 1 tool on the Wonder & Prima is better than Electrolux's 3 in 1 tool. The hose is ridiculously short & stiff on the Electrolux....it should be at LEAST a foot longer, whereas the Riccar/Simplicity canisters, even the BOL models, have nice long flexible hoses, & they have solved the hose tearing problem they had in the past. And the Electrolux powerhead is a huge pain in the ass to take apart & perform maintenance & repairs....the Riccar/Simplicity powerhead, on the other hand, is a dream to work on, & you get a METAL brushroll with METAL endcaps & replaceable brushstrips....not wood with plastic endcaps like Electrolux. And for me, the dealbreaker with Electrolux is their absolutely PATHETIC customer service & parts availability! I have been trying to get a spare pre-filter for my Electrolux UltraCaptic for months now, it has been on the market over a year now, & the part is STILL not available!! ZERO EXCUSE FOR THAT ON A VACUUM IN IT'S PRICE BRACKET! Riccar/Simplicity vacuums on the other hand, you can walk into your local dealer & get ANYTHING you need. And let's not forget to add....Electrolux is manufactured in Hungary, & their repair record in the past is atrocious. Unfortunately, this is one thing Consumer Reports is totally right on. I would much rather take my chances on Riccar/Simplicity than Electrolux. I may have bashed Riccar/Simplicity in the past....but no more! I am firmly convinced with the changes & new models Tacony has introduced to market, that their machines are one of the best values to be had in the TOL canister & upright market. I will definitely be adding a Simplicity Wonder to my collection at some point in the future when finances allow. Miele had better watch their backs, that's all I am gonna say :-). Rob | ||
| Post# 331213 , Reply# 7 8/7/2015 at 22:04 (3,177 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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And BTW, in case I haven't done so in the past....Tom, I apologize to you for bashing Riccar/Simplicity products & Tacony corporation in the past. After seeing some of the changes Tacony has made recently, & some of the other product offerings in the marketplace, I am firmly convinced that Tacony has what it takes to produce quality vacuums. I was wrong, & I admit that now.
Rob | ||
| Post# 331220 , Reply# 9 8/7/2015 at 23:25 (3,177 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
Scored...
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a Blue Simplicity Moxie yesterday! Like new from a woman leaving town for a new job. Came complete with the deluxe attachments..now i need to look into upgrading the brush roll (to a three row) and get a new Hepa, Tom let me know how much those two items would run me please. This is a keeper, so few decent canisters out there. Sorry to divert. I too have wondered about the UltraOne but am now over it...i have two similar machines which rank as my worst vacuum purchases since collecting. $40 at auction for both Eurekalux canisters and neither work. Money down the drain. If i spend many hours i may get one working and sold to break even but i doubt it. Maybe trade for parts to a vac shop. | ||
| Post# 331245 , Reply# 10 8/8/2015 at 10:35 (3,176 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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n0oxy: As Tom Gasko said, the Riccar tools and hose are not standard diameter for a good reason - PERFORMANCE. The larger diameter allows for more airflow. We all know that suction with great airflow cleans better.
If you must use tools from other vacuums, there is an inexpensive adapter available, but beware, using the adapter with other than the Riccar tools will limit the performance of your new Riccar vacuum. | ||
| Post# 331262 , Reply# 11 8/8/2015 at 14:55 (3,176 days old) by Eluxfan71 (Switzerland ) | ||
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Ultra one Deluxe European Version I have an Ultra one Deluxe which I like very much. It has very good performance on carpet and hard floor and it is very quiet. This version has a battery operated remote control (no cord in the hose) and a 2000 watt motor | ||
| Post# 331277 , Reply# 13 8/8/2015 at 17:23 (3,176 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Um, not exactly true.
human replies: "That's precisely why they do it. Manufacturers today DON'T WANT their products to last 30 or 40 years like they did back in the good old days. They WANT their shit to fail and the sooner after the warranty expires, the better. A relatively short replacement cycle is good for short term revenues and since they can't see past the next quarterly sales report, that's the way they play it. Circuit boards are perfect for this ploy because manufacturers can use them to build in nifty features to wow the customer on the sales floor and then in a couple of years, they become a de facto self-destruct mechanism for the product when they inevitably fail. Put a one- or two-year warranty on the thing and design it to fail in three or four years and you've duped most customers into thinking they've gotten their money's worth while mostly dodging the warranty bullet. And the consumers just line up and buy another one, not that they really have that much of a choice anymore..."
Well that's not quite true of every brand. Take Miele for example. I'm aware of so many models that are more than ten years old and where their circuit boards haven't failed. If there's one thing that seems to fail on Miele cylinder/cans it is that of the pedals that need the odd replacement, or a new auto cord reel or wear parts such as suction tubes and the odd floor head. Miele also only offer lengthy warranties on SOME of their vacuums and the lengthier warranties are an extra cost to the owner for the addition of. Recently when I met a Miele rep I asked him why Miele decided to bring out the old S700 canisters again, when in theory the S5000 and S8000 range are supposed to replace them. Miele have extended the life of their original series simply to keep parts going and simply because there is a demand for the old canisters. | ||
| Post# 331278 , Reply# 14 8/8/2015 at 17:35 (3,176 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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PS: I eventually got to try a Truvox
A few weeks ago when staying down south in London and staying at a local hotel I got to sample one of the hotel's latest uprights; finally, a Truvox Valet single motor upright (See photo). I wasn't impressed sadly. It was too heavy and too cumbersome. I couldn't believe the price that the hotel had paid for it when I asked them about it and for the fact that it is run by a single rubber drive belt, of which the hotel have already had to replace a couple of times. I love the SEBO style wand and telescopic height adjust tube though...
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| Post# 331289 , Reply# 15 8/8/2015 at 20:55 (3,176 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 331304 , Reply# 16 8/9/2015 at 04:58 (3,176 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well Truvox are a "Tacony" company, after all.
As for the Ultra One vacuums - I love the design but I have never owned any for the simple reason that dust bags and filters seem difficult to get unless you solely shop online for them. Since 2014 and before the EU law came in, I have noticed the lack of Electrolux based vacuums in shops in the UK in general. I fear that Electrolux may well go down the same route as Panasonic eventually and won't have many AEG vacuums left other than cordless stick vacuums. Budget line Zanussi only seems to be available online or through mail order online companies. | ||
| Post# 331324 , Reply# 17 8/9/2015 at 12:18 (3,175 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
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Re post 14
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That TRUVOX is a common vacuum rebadged under many names and sold primarily as a commercial vacuum. You like the above floor cleaning ability yet decry the weight and cummbersomeness that is necessary to provide the feature(?). For what this vac is intended for it excels. I do agree however that because it is considered "commercial" the price often more than doubles for no apparent reason. These are also made in a two motor cogged belt version. | ||
| Post# 331355 , Reply# 18 8/9/2015 at 20:23 (3,175 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"...You like the above floor cleaning ability yet decry the weight and cummbersomeness that is necessary to provide the feature(?)."
Nope I didn't say that I liked anything OTHER THAN THE WAND AND TUBE. Please don't assume that I went as far to spend time using the actual wand and tube. I only pulled it out to see how much stretch it gave and I was impressed with the telescopic height adjustable suction tube - a bit like Miele on their S7 but longer with the Truvox. Sebo's uprights are lighter than the TRUVOX and the Valet model has that awful hinge-to-adjust central angle that doesn't always keep the sole plate on the floor. IMHE, a heavy upright in the commercial market doesn't need to be heavy all of the time. | ||
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