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Post# 327246   6/20/2015 at 07:33 (3,204 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Is the bag original? IS it a lightweight little vacuum too? :P

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Post# 327248 , Reply# 1   6/20/2015 at 10:52 (3,204 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@parwaz786

Yes that bag looks original. Hm fairly. It isn't SUPER heavy but does have a bit of weight to it.

Post# 327250 , Reply# 2   6/20/2015 at 10:55 (3,204 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        

actually yes it is genuine I didn't look through all the pictures lol

Post# 327252 , Reply# 3   6/20/2015 at 11:01 (3,204 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Cool! :D Thanks Emma :D really appreciate it

Post# 327254 , Reply# 4   6/20/2015 at 11:11 (3,204 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        

No problem. If you do get it, show me a picture of the rating sticker on Facebook and I can date it for you.

Post# 327264 , Reply# 5   6/20/2015 at 12:09 (3,204 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Cool!Thanks :)

Post# 327265 , Reply# 6   6/20/2015 at 12:18 (3,204 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Will this clean better than a TP1? I mean, it's dirty air and has a metal beaterbar doesn't it? The TP has that but with a plastic agitator

Post# 327349 , Reply# 7   6/20/2015 at 17:35 (3,204 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        

I don't know, as Iv'e never compared the two together (reason being iv'e never thought to and I don't use my Junior much anyway.) To be honest ill'd say the Turbopower would clean better. Better suction etc.

Yep, all Juniors are dirty fan (I prefer saying fan, call it what you want doesn't bother me) same as the Turbopower ones. The Turbopower ones have a 7 bladed plastic fan and the Juniors have a 7 bladed metal fan. Although some models do have a plastic fan (not sure what models)

The Juniors have a 250 watt motor while some have a 300 watt motor which is slightly different in pitch a bit hard to explain.

The Juniors have two metal beater bars and two replaceable brush strips and take H1 bags. The 300 watt models have flat belts (anyone reading feel free to correct me) while the others have a rounded belt.

The Turbopowers have a plastic brushroll with non replaceable bristles and have "pads" which beat out in bedded grit (see what I did there ;) ) The Turbopower ones also take H4 bags.

When Iv'e sorted out the carbon brushes in my Junior ill do a comparison video if you would like (not sure when it'll be though)

I'll also send pictures of the fans,brushrolls etc via Facebook soon. If you can get this one (or any junior) I suggest you do, you'll love it. They do have a short cord though and short handle (for me)

Also nearly forgot to add ~ The Turbopowers have different wattage motors (depending on model) For example - the U1100 has a 400 watt motor, the U2332 has a 410 watt motor and the U2716,U2718,U2602 and so forth have a 575 watt motor. Some models have a 600 watt motor (can't remember the model numbers though) anyway ~

Hope this helped.


Post# 327351 , Reply# 8   6/20/2015 at 19:31 (3,204 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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It looks like a Hoover Junior U1104 and with original bag. It would have a 300 or 350 watt motor. This is the last of the classic design before Hoover rebadged Sprite uprights with the Junior name as well as turbopower 1 bagged uprights.

The metal based bodies have 250 watt motors with metal fans but not the plastic U1104 which has a plastic fan. Also uses flat belt compared to rubber belt, but would still use the rubber belt inside to fasten the bag to the top fill dirt channel inside the soft bag - the older metal based Juniors have bottom fill tubes apart from the U1012 model.

Look at the archive link for a Junior U1104 on here.


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Post# 327352 , Reply# 9   6/20/2015 at 19:37 (3,204 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Emma: Thanks! Really appreciate that and the info you provided me with aswell :D I do like how the Hoover is energy saving etc. Do you think this would be a top fill or bottom fill bag type? Sorry to be annoying you with all these questions :|
Narayan: Sounds good! :) Thanks, I'm not sure what this hoover on Gumtree is, as in the model number etc I am a noob when it comes to vintage vacs, lol.


Post# 327354 , Reply# 10   6/20/2015 at 20:48 (3,204 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I am TELLING you that it is a Hoover Junior U1104. They all have top fill tubes inside which means it will fill the bag better without it clogging. I did own FIVE OF THEM, Parwaz, before I got into SEBO as well as the Hoover Senior and Hoover Powerplus.

Post# 327356 , Reply# 11   6/20/2015 at 21:24 (3,204 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Here's the blockier U1012 from the previous model design; made from a mix of plastics and metal. Distinguished by its straighter outer cloth dust bag (and thus the bag inside doesn't sag due to being top fill) and orange colour to the U1012. The one from Gumtree is the more modern Hoover Junior - and it may well be fitted with the Hoover activator, similar to what the Hoover Turbopower1 had.

I actually like the U1012 better as it is more durable than the plastic U1104. But I love both styles.


Post# 327562 , Reply# 12   6/21/2015 at 05:02 (3,203 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Parwaz786

you're welcome. I'll try and send you the pictures later today.

Post# 327576 , Reply# 13   6/21/2015 at 05:37 (3,203 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Parwaz786

Also forgot to add ~

Don't worry about asking questions I don't find it annoying.


Post# 327624 , Reply# 14   6/21/2015 at 11:38 (3,203 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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It's not a U1104 - it's the earlier version. U1036. Also about the comment on it having "some weight too it" - that's nonsense. The Junior is one of the lightest uprights made.


Post# 327628 , Reply# 15   6/21/2015 at 12:06 (3,203 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Turbo500

No it isn't none sense. It's not as light as a bloody feather now is it? It's not as though I said "Oh yeah it weighs like a brick." Now did I?

Post# 327642 , Reply# 16   6/21/2015 at 13:48 (3,203 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Still doesn't weigh MUCH.

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I'm on the search for a dirtsearcher,  any color.  Someday,  I'll find one.

  It's nice to see you guys share back and forth.  But,  please,  no need to "bicker".  We have an abundance of that "over here", in the U.S.


Post# 327644 , Reply# 17   6/21/2015 at 14:04 (3,203 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@gottahaveahoover

I'm not bickering I'm just saying.

Post# 327648 , Reply# 18   6/21/2015 at 14:37 (3,203 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I'm very glad

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Still,   there's more than enough in other threads.  It's nice to be out of it all.


Post# 327651 , Reply# 19   6/21/2015 at 14:56 (3,203 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@gottahaveahoover

I know, It's just it (insert choice word here :P ) annoys me when people have to twist my words or make assumptions etc. Sorry. And before anyone goes on, no i'm not wanting to start a fight. Just had to get that off my chest.

Post# 327653 , Reply# 20   6/21/2015 at 15:39 (3,203 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
We all have been there. I totally understand. We all need

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to vent.I just try to do it with grace.

  It's terrible when some  take our words and turn them around, etc.  We have to agree, or agree to disagree.

 John


Post# 327658 , Reply# 21   6/21/2015 at 16:18 (3,203 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Okay, Kay if it's lighter than a Dyson DC24 I would be impressed :P

Post# 327659 , Reply# 22   6/21/2015 at 16:22 (3,203 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

IDK if I want this Hoover, the colours are so 80's; I mean the oldest thing in our house is probably the 9 year old Bosch washing machine we got from Currys, or the Dyson DC05 motorhead

Post# 327661 , Reply# 23   6/21/2015 at 16:32 (3,203 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@gottahaveahoover@parwaz 786

@gottahaveahoover ~ Thanks :)

@Parwaz - I wouldn't know if its lighter or heavier as iv'e never touched a Dyson before lol. I suggest you do go for it. If you don't like it in the end I might take it :P


Post# 327665 , Reply# 24   6/21/2015 at 17:00 (3,203 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

A U1036 Hoover Junior once fell off a shelf and landed on my foot. I knew about it, let me tell you.

The U1104 had much more plastic in it and was advertised as being X% lighter than before. But had it been one of those that fell on me, I am certain the words I used would have been very similar, if not the same.

That is all I going to say.


Post# 327676 , Reply# 25   6/21/2015 at 18:33 (3,203 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Dyson DC24 is 5 KG :)

Post# 327677 , Reply# 26   6/21/2015 at 18:46 (3,203 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Parwaz786

I'll weigh the U1012 tomorrow.

Post# 327684 , Reply# 27   6/21/2015 at 20:27 (3,203 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

ooh cool thanks!:D

Post# 327691 , Reply# 28   6/22/2015 at 06:37 (3,202 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Parwaz786

According to my scales its 6KG (Or 0.95 Stone) with an empty bag and with the flex on.

Seeing i'm here I might as well give you the weights of a Turbopower Total System and a standard Turbopower. It might interest you I don't know but ~

(Using the U2716) Turbopower Total System (With empty bag,flex,all tools etc) is - 8 KG (1.26 Stone)

(Using the U2332) Standard Turbopower (Again with empty bag and flex on) - 7KG (1.1 Stone)

Please note - These may not be 100% accurate as my scale are old. Also the Turbopower's I used haven't got bulbs in them, not like its going to make a huge difference though.

Hope this helps.


Post# 327692 , Reply# 29   6/22/2015 at 06:54 (3,202 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I'm not bickering I'm just saying.

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If you're "just saying", then perhaps you should rethink your choice of words. I certainly wasn't twisting yours, I was just disgreeing you.

Anyway, even 6kg is light compared to what else was on sale at the time. But they're bottom heavy so very light in operation and easy on the wrist. It's not uncommon for lightweight cleaners to be quite top heavy making them a tad awkward to use.


Post# 327693 , Reply# 30   6/22/2015 at 07:14 (3,202 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Cheers Emma :D really appreciate that you have weighed the vacuums for me :D
Chris: Let's just leave it here now. I CBA with another one of these sessions


Post# 327694 , Reply# 31   6/22/2015 at 07:16 (3,202 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Turbo500

No I shouldn't and I'm not going to rethink my words. I'm not going to sugar coat my words. I'm leaving them raw. Well it seemed like that's what you were trying to do ever so slightly.

Even though it's 6 KG it's still not as light as a feather.


Post# 327695 , Reply# 32   6/22/2015 at 07:18 (3,202 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Parwaz786

You're welcome. Sorry to put it in separate comment I didn't notice that you posted yours while I was tweeking mine lol.

Post# 327696 , Reply# 33   6/22/2015 at 08:21 (3,202 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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No it isn't none sense. It's not as light as a bloody feather now is it? It's not as though I said "Oh yeah it weighs like a brick." Now did I? 


Was there any need for that? Drop the attitude. I disagreed with you, get over it.  

 

 

Even though it's 6 KG it's still not as light as a feather.

 


Make you're mind up. Either you want to be blunt and literal or you don't. You can't flit between both in the same sentence.

There is no vacuum that is "light as a feather". Every vacuum has weight behind it, you have to look at what is considered lightweight by vacuum standards.

Does the Junior have a weight? Of course it does, it's a vacuum! Is it heavy? By vacuum standards, no.


Post# 327700 , Reply# 34   6/22/2015 at 08:42 (3,202 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Turbo500

Yes there was need for that. And no, I am not going to drop the "attitude." Yes I know you disagree with me, I never got worked up about it in the first place.

I have made my damn mind up. Iv'e always been blunt,(within reason of course) since when haven't I?

"There is no vacuum that is "light as a feather". Ugh yes I know this, it's fairly obvious but I was using that as an example.


"Is it heavy? By vacuum standards, no."

I never said it was heavy. It's how you were saying

"some weight too it" - that's nonsense. The Junior is one of the lightest uprights made."

That I wanted to make my point clearer.


Post# 327701 , Reply# 35   6/22/2015 at 08:45 (3,202 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Emma: lol
Chris: What did I just say??????????


Post# 327704 , Reply# 36   6/22/2015 at 09:08 (3,202 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"It's not as light as a bloody feather now is it? It's not as though I said "Oh yeah it weighs like a brick." Now did I?"

"I have made my damn mind up"

 

Well, I'm very bloody pleased that you've sodding made you damn mind up, but really, was there any need for that particular choice of words?

You could've just said something like "I wasn't implying it was heavy" or something instead of having a tantrum and avoided this whole conversation.

 

Like I said, attitude. You might want to work on that.


Post# 327705 , Reply# 37   6/22/2015 at 09:18 (3,202 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Turbo500

I never had to make my mind up. Oh yes there was. If you don't like my choice of words then don't read what I post then. Yes I could of said that but I didn't now did I? And i'm not going to.

I didn't have a "tantrum" I was just clearing up any misconceptions.

Nope. I don't need to work on my "attitude" it's staying as it is and that's final. Again if you don't like it then don't read my damn comments. It's as simple as that!


Post# 327706 , Reply# 38   6/22/2015 at 09:19 (3,202 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Anyway, lets get this back on track shall we?

 

Emma, you mentioned above about the wattage difference on the Turbopower - the 400w models didn't have the headlight. The 10w difference between the TP Junior and TP hardbag models was the headlight bulb. Motor power is the same, although the TP Juniors tended to have stronger suction due to the cloth bag having a larger exhaust surface area giving greater airflow.

 

Junior vs. Turbopower? Well, that would certainly be an interesting debate. I suspect that the Turbopower would likely clean slightly better, but the Junior's and Senior's had considerably better build quality over the TP and TM. The TP1 was almost entirely plastic and some of them were VERY flimsey. Certain models have a reputation for being "glass" models and prone to cracking, splitting and shattering (especially the red U2336).

So whilst the TP may clean better, the Junior and Senior were much more solid and could take more abuse.


Post# 327707 , Reply# 39   6/22/2015 at 09:22 (3,202 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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A friendly tip - if you insist on that choice of language, you could end up in hot water. Personally, I couldn't care less, I can swear like a trouper, but this is a public site with a lot of junior members, so a bit of respect and consideration for other people wouldn't go a miss.


Post# 327710 , Reply# 40   6/22/2015 at 09:34 (3,202 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@Turbo500

I know why theres a 10 watt difference.

Yes I know I could. Really? I never knew that it was a public site with different age groups..

I wasn't cursing though so no I shouldn't be more careful. I do have respect for other people but I don't have respect for people who have to go trampling all over me and twisting my words etc. Now that wasn't aimed just at you that goes for everyone else too.


Post# 329189 , Reply# 41   7/13/2015 at 09:57 (3,181 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh my, looks like I missed out on a major debate.

However ALL of you have missed ONE very vital tiny, almost miniscule little characteristic.

The Junior may well weigh 6kg and the Turbopower may well weigh a little bit heavier.

But they don't exude their total weight when pushing a long a floor. Usually.

And of course, each "weight" would change as to each height adjustment setting and resistance on a carpet.


Post# 329201 , Reply# 42   7/13/2015 at 15:33 (3,181 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        

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