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Poor filtration on Shark vacuums
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Post# 324800   5/13/2015 at 19:33 (3,263 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        

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I was volunteering at a family support center this afternoon. I used their Shark Rocket Professional vacuum. When I initially turned it on, I heard a significant change in the tone of the motor, like it was clogged. So I turned it off, removed the dust cup, and sure enough, the foam and felt filters were absolutely FILTHY! They were completely caked with dust.

I smacked both filters against the inside of a trash can, and there was dust flying all over the place! I had to step away from the giant dust cloud several times. So after that, I put the filters back in, and began vacuuming. I was back in business! The vacuum's suction had improved.

Another problem I observed with this vacuum was that the dust screen at the top of the dust cup was missing! So I think that's what's causing the filters to clog more easily.

For the most part, I enjoy Shark vacuums, but I'm starting to think that they aren't worth my time. How can it clearly state "never loses suction" on the vacuum itself, when a design flaw WILL cause it to lose suction? I just don't understand! To me, it's lying and false advertising.

This, along with the recent recall of Powered Lift-Away vacuums, makes me think that the Euro-Pro company is turning into a bunch of sharks! (Pun intended.)

Below is a pic of the filters after I banged them out. And this was after using it today. Trust me, these filters were SO dirty when I got there! Unfortunately, I didn't take any before pictures. BTW, just so you know, my hands got coated in dust after cleaning the filters.


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Post# 324802 , Reply# 1   5/13/2015 at 19:46 (3,263 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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shark cyclonic filtration normally isn't the best but without the screen it becomes terrible the screen is designed to stop the filter from getting dirty and without it those filters are gonna clog literally instantly normally you can go few weeks even months if you vacuum once a week without cleaning the filter,and actually the whole screen is the cyclonic system so without the screen it can't separate the dust.

Post# 324804 , Reply# 2   5/13/2015 at 19:52 (3,263 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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there is a few things I do like about sharks cyclonic system it's not complicated and it's easy to clean easy to clean the filters I just really like it and have noticed I only fine dust goes to the filter not hair and fluff like others.

Post# 324809 , Reply# 3   5/13/2015 at 20:31 (3,263 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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The statement never looses suction is in accordance to standard test of a measured amount of dust/dirt.Past that amount, who knows! Misleading, but they all do it

Post# 324832 , Reply# 4   5/14/2015 at 08:30 (3,262 days old) by Mike81 ()        
to dys0nb0y

That same reason I like my Electrolux UltraPerformer/UltraActive. It has similar cyclone design like in the Shark. Bin and cyclone assembly is see through and very easy to wash and empty.
Yes the cyclone efficiency isn't good as the multi cyclone vacuums, but far better than filter in the bin vacuums.
I don't think it's too much trouble to wash the foam filter once or even twice in a month.


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Post# 324833 , Reply# 5   5/14/2015 at 08:40 (3,262 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
Ah...

the beauty of a bagless vacuum. Give me a bagged vacuum any day, lower maintenance, and when quality bags are used, no leakage.

Post# 324835 , Reply# 6   5/14/2015 at 08:57 (3,262 days old) by Mike81 ()        

That's why I also have my 26 year old bagged Volta with large high filtration bag. It remains me that good canister vac doesn't need to be state of the art bagless with million cyclones to keep my home clean :)

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Post# 324838 , Reply# 7   5/14/2015 at 09:15 (3,262 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh here we go again...poor ownership maintenance.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that the Shark got clogged up. Clearly whoever emptied it before you did Nic, may well have knocked out the screen by accident.

To be honest some bagged "brands" are just as bad. It depends on what the brand put in to make emptying easier without anything getting lost in transit. I know this from past experience with some brands who produce bagged vacuums with the slide in bag holder.

Some go to the point of adding a handle carrier that is supposed to slot into the existing bag holder inside the dust bin. If that gets chucked along with the full dust bag then a new bag can't be inserted properly, hence why most motor filters at the back of the bag then get completely choked with dust.

It is good that they have you around!


Post# 324845 , Reply# 8   5/14/2015 at 11:37 (3,262 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Here is a pretty good demonstration video of the bagless Shark vs. lower range Riccar bagged vacuums. You will see that It IS possible to replace a full bag of dirt with a new bag and not lose a speck of dust.

 

This video is fun to watch:



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Post# 324846 , Reply# 9   5/14/2015 at 12:34 (3,262 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yepp, that is a good video. Really wish they sold Riccar's here in the UK. Don't see how there isn't a market for them if they are in the same sort of price range as Miele and SEBO.

That is one thing that is disgusting about bagless units, is the fact the dirt is spun around and whipped up like candy floss, scratching the inside of the canister, with rubber seals that are never good enough.

The rocket looks like a nice little vacuum, but they seem very noisy and it seems this cyclonic system is pretty poor.


Post# 324847 , Reply# 10   5/14/2015 at 12:48 (3,262 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I think that video wasn't the best because fine dust is what cloggs vacuum bag and he didn't pick up a lot only really a small amount and the bag wasn't even full.and in a real home there's a lot more dust then that.it's the same with poor cyclonic vacuums.shark cyclonic technology isn't bad it was pretty good job it just has more filter maintenance compare to others and no hair of fluff goes to the filter fine dust which is really good.

Post# 324848 , Reply# 11   5/14/2015 at 12:50 (3,262 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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and I really like riccers tandem Air models they look really good.

Post# 324849 , Reply# 12   5/14/2015 at 12:53 (3,262 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Is a picture of my old shark filter after vacuuming the whole house this was about last year.

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Post# 324851 , Reply# 13   5/14/2015 at 13:12 (3,262 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I'd have preferred the time in the video that shows when the bin gets emptied. Try 7.34 to everyone else. The compressed air tip is a lot of nonsense though - the average vacuum cleaner owner won't bother with this.

Not unless you're OCD about cleanliness, which for most OCD people I know, they don't own a bagless vacuum.

But the original posting of this thread isn't about bagless versus bagged.

I'm a bit surprised to see that the Riccar sole plate seems to lack edge brushing on each side of the brush roll. I'd have thought for a high end upright and with all the airflow comparisons made in this video, that this upright would have had edge cleaning on either side, rather than just two dust channels to scoop dirt in from the sides.


Post# 324869 , Reply# 14   5/14/2015 at 20:46 (3,262 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Alright

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Sebo_fan, to clarify, the dust cup on the Shark Rocket Professional vacuum opens up both on the top and bottom. You first push the bottom release lever to empty the big debris. Then you push the top release latch to flip open the top of the cup and clean off the screen when necessary. It just lifts up out of the dust cup. However, that makes the screen more prone to getting lost!

Yes, all the places I've volunteered at are glad to have a vacuum aficionado like me around!

BTW, my real name is Nick, not Nic.

That video was decent. Yes, bags are more sanitary, but I prefer bagless for the convenience factor. I don't bother using compressed air to clean out the canister. Besides, I don't even have an air compressor! I just wipe down bins with paper towels as needed. Occasionally I will take apart a bagless dirt cup and wash all the pieces under water. I'll admit that I have a bit of OCD.

I'm from a generation that was brought up around bagless vacuums.

To me, when a vacuum states "no loss of suction," it should mean just that. The Shark states that right on the front of the vacuum itself, but when you remove the dust cup, in small writing, it says that "loss of suction may occur if foam filters are not cleaned every 3 months. Rinse and let air dry completely." How misleading!

However, as it turns out, another company has solved it! Dyson solved that problem with their Cinetic science. By using tons of ultra-efficient cyclones with oscillating tips, Dyson Cinetic vacuums will TRULY never lose suction!


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Post# 324871 , Reply# 15   5/14/2015 at 21:20 (3,262 days old) by HEPA ()        

Honestly my Shark Rotator powered lift away filtration is good and is sealed HEPA. I NEVER have had a plum a dust from emptying it like some claim bagless units do. And my filters are relatively clean.

All companies are going to have some misleading advertising, AT&T has the "strongest" LTE signal, while Verizon has the biggest network etc..


Post# 324876 , Reply# 16   5/15/2015 at 05:03 (3,261 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sorry Nick. But I did understand your post the first time. I did realise about the screen filter - but evidently it has got lost in the hands of the average user, NOT the collector.

However, what you fail to see is that ALL brands lie about something. Lifetime belt? Has to be replaced eventually. No loss of suction? Not quite. Stretch hose? (that then pulls the upright back and breaks something.) Edge cleaning (cue THAT Riccar) on both sides of brush roll..

I'd have thought that in your experience of getting all those free Vine vacuums that you'd have learnt that by now.

Open your eyes - This member found dust leaking into the motor of his Dyson Cinetic.






Post# 324879 , Reply# 17   5/15/2015 at 06:25 (3,261 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Do I understand correctly-are these filters after the motor?If so that fine dust will eventually kill the motor.If that is the case of the filters after the motor-should be BEFORE the motor to keep those fines out of it.

Post# 324884 , Reply# 18   5/15/2015 at 08:41 (3,261 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Pretty sure those are pre motor, from the ones I have seen anyway!

Post# 324885 , Reply# 19   5/15/2015 at 08:50 (3,261 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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well there's been plenty of people have said it hasn't happened to them so.

Post# 324886 , Reply# 20   5/15/2015 at 09:50 (3,261 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I do not believe that in normal use, the Dyson Cinetic will leak dust into the motor. Mine has been used at my home for two months now, as the only vacuum, and there is absolutely no dust leaking into the motor. The first time I saw the video where the kid claimed to have found all that dust, I realized the machine had been tampered with. It states on the cleaner not to use it on drywall dust, and clearly this kid did just that (or talc maybe).

Post# 324894 , Reply# 21   5/15/2015 at 10:25 (3,261 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        
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I agree with you 100 percent that's what I thought that well it is obviously been picking up very very large amounts of something it shouldn't have.


Post# 324925 , Reply# 22   5/15/2015 at 17:05 (3,261 days old) by HEPA ()        
In every video

That guy has clearly abused every single vacuum in a way a contractor would and not a normal household would...

Post# 324930 , Reply# 23   5/15/2015 at 18:50 (3,261 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        

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Sebo_fan, yes, I have learned about misleading claims on the free Vine vacuums I've used.

I have already seen that video. Plus, I'm subscribed to Kode1996. Those filters are non-washable lifetime post-motor filters. Due to the Cinetic science being so efficient, there is no pre-filter. I haven't used a Cinetic upright yet, so I can't comment on whether or not dust leaks into the motor.

I have no idea where Kode lives! Perhaps he lives in a rural area? IDK.

But I'm not the only one who's ranting about poor Shark filtration! Kode made a video showing the bad filtration of his Rotator Powered Lift-Away vacuum.






Post# 324936 , Reply# 24   5/15/2015 at 19:52 (3,261 days old) by Reflector ()        

Aren't the newer "Lift Away" Sharks single stage cyclonics? That's probably the biggest contributator to "poor filtration." I have a single stage woodworking cyclone but it incorporates a few design features to ensure higher seperation than the relatively simplistic single cyclone designs on some bagless vacuums. The multistage cyclonics seem to be the design to go with if you need the bulk of the seperation done down to the fines and then the remainder of the fines get captured by the prefilters.

Even if the Cinetic's rubber cyclone design captures most of the fines, I would of moved the HEPA filter infront of the motor like Sebo has the prefilter infront, just to ensure the motor never deals with any bypass in any condition like overloading the filter.

Speaking of drywall dust: I found that Henry HEPAFlo bags (Crudely fitted to a ShopVac since they have a bypass motor) seem to do a great job, ditto with the synthetic Sebo Ultra Bags. No dust on the filters from my experience. It also seems that the ShopVac drywall bags are just microlined paper bags, similiar to my Sebo HEPA Box Ultra Bags.


Post# 324939 , Reply# 25   5/15/2015 at 20:25 (3,261 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Something I've always wondered about washing filters

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You know how when you use a humidifier with hard water, how some humidifiers have filters that trap the minerals so that you don't end up with white dust everywhere. Well, since we're talking about washing filters, when you wash the filter, if you have hard water, won't some of the minerals from the water get in the filter you just washed clogging it somewhat?

Post# 324942 , Reply# 26   5/15/2015 at 21:17 (3,261 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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That would make sense the residue would contribute over time.

Post# 324959 , Reply# 27   5/16/2015 at 07:29 (3,260 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hard water washing with filters.

Generally once the filters are dry, hard water minerals etc usually shake off.


Post# 324973 , Reply# 28   5/16/2015 at 11:30 (3,260 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Yes

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All of the newer Shark Lift-Away vacuums are single-cyclonic. One exception to this was the original Shark Navigator. It used 21-cyclone technology. However, I did some research, and it turns out that the cyclones would clog easily and most people wouldn't clean them. Euro-Pro made the switch to single cyclonic on the Shark Navigator Lift-Away, released in 2010. I guess single-cyclonic is more reliable! It's not that big of a deal to wash the filters every 3 months.

I have never had a problem with hard water minerals ruining filters. Depending on the vacuum, I will use dish soap to wash filters. I make sure to rinse the filters really well, or else they will get sticky and clog more easily.


Post# 325014 , Reply# 29   5/17/2015 at 06:25 (3,259 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Original Shark Navigator had rather strange multi cyclonic system. Normally those small cyclones separate the fine dust to the inner part of the main bin.
Navigator had closed cyclones which collected the fine dust in them. They didn't lead to anything. Instead you had to empty the cyclones. I think it wasn't very good idea.
Not only you had to empty the bin, but also cyclones needed to be emptied. Too complicated for the normal consumer.


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Post# 325020 , Reply# 30   5/17/2015 at 09:11 (3,259 days old) by HVRVACLVR (Altoona PA)        

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I remember the Shark Infinity had 21 cyclones too. Where they set up like the Navigator that led to nowhere?

Post# 325037 , Reply# 31   5/17/2015 at 11:57 (3,259 days old) by Mike81 ()        

If Shark Infinity has similar design, cyclones don't lead to nowhere. You can see in the picture large black rubber seal. It closes the cyclone assembly to the separate unit.

Post# 325046 , Reply# 32   5/17/2015 at 14:32 (3,259 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
That cyclonic system...

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...Really is rather weird! They say that you have to manually empty the cyclonic chamber every 3 to 6 months.

I've never used an Infinity (not the car brand) vacuum, but I've seen pictures online of them. I did a quick search, and it turns out that they used 24-cyclone technology, 3 more than the Shark.

Here is a video review of the UK model of the Shark Navigator from Roger (ibaisaic). He discusses the cyclonic system starting at 2:30.






Post# 325294 , Reply# 33   5/20/2015 at 18:16 (3,256 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Anybody?

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Isn't anybody interested in this video?

Post# 325297 , Reply# 34   5/20/2015 at 18:23 (3,256 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Nope. I never wish to own one.

 


Post# 325310 , Reply# 35   5/20/2015 at 19:15 (3,256 days old) by hepa ()        

My Shark Powered Lift Away has been the perfect vacuum for me, I don't need a huge clunky vacuum just to clean a 1 br. apt thats brand new so carpet has nobody else's filth but mine :D

Post# 325326 , Reply# 36   5/20/2015 at 21:34 (3,255 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
A friend of mine has one. I'm happy for him, lolol

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I saw a Shark box on trash night at my cousin's house. I have other people who bought them.  Some were happy.  Others................


Post# 325327 , Reply# 37   5/20/2015 at 21:35 (3,255 days old) by HVRVACLVR (Altoona PA)        

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I am Nick, I just saw this! I love Roger's videos. How did I not know that Roger did a video on the shark? Earlier today I used my Dirt Devil Scorpion on blower mode to clean the cyclones on my Dyson DC65, Dyson DC34 and Hoover Air Steerable. I wish they could come apart like this.

This is what I do on my free time, take my vacuums apart and clean them out. My friends think I am so weird 😂😂


Post# 325329 , Reply# 38   5/20/2015 at 21:42 (3,255 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Weird is NOT

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a bad thing. At times.


Post# 325346 , Reply# 39   5/20/2015 at 23:07 (3,255 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        

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Gottahaveahoove, funny thing is, last month, I saw a Shark box in the recycle bin at a traumatic brain injury (TBI) home. Eventually, I saw one of my friends using the Shark, and it looked like it did a great job! The filter wasn't too dirty the last time I saw it.

HVRVACLVR, I do the same thing on my free time occasionally! My sister thinks I'm a weirdo, though. BTW, did you know that you and I have the same first name?


Post# 325360 , Reply# 40   5/21/2015 at 02:42 (3,255 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Watched the video about the Shark-not a Shark cleaner fan. Out My way they are stocked at WalMart.Get plenty of Sharks at the Sew&Vac place needing to be unclogged-funny yours got dirt in the bin-users taking them to the vac place--NO dirt in the bin but in the hoses and power nozzle necks.Lift Away Pros.

Post# 325396 , Reply# 41   5/21/2015 at 12:34 (3,255 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
How strange!

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A similar thing happened at the family center a few months ago. One of my friends was using the Shark Rocket, and she managed to clog it. I could hear a change in the noise of the vacuum. Eventually, I found the culprit: a scrap of paper was stuck in the hose handle! I was able to remove it using a straightened paper clip. After that, the vacuum worked great again.

On a related note, there is a Bissell Lift-Off Floors & More cordless 2-in-1 stick/hand vac at a restaurant which gets clogged CONSTANTLY. This is due to weak suction and narrow openings. I'm the only one who unclogs it, as nobody else really bothers to do it. A lot of the times, I find clogs in the floor nozzle neck. I have to wear gloves, then reach into the floor nozzle opening and unclog the air passageway.

Poor filtration is not only limited to Shark vacuums! The Bissell that I mentioned has TERRIBLE filtration. I am attaching a pic of the Bissell's filter, which got really clogged with cottonwood seeds.


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Post# 325526 , Reply# 42   5/23/2015 at 21:02 (3,253 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I don't have the powered lift away

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I have the non powered lift away. The ONE thing I remember being so shocked about when I first used it was how quickly the foam filter got dirty. And as I'm using the Shark, I'm thinking to myself about all the RAVE reviews on Amazon and I'm thinking WTH?? I do NOT use it in any way other than in upright mode vacuuming carpets. I use it to run through the house daily, and I use my rainbow to clean the shark bin and the filters....they get dirty so quickly!!

Remember the infomercial where they put the Shark in a bin showing how completely sealed it was an nothing leaks? It was some sort of demonstration with flour or baking soda I think, and nothing leaked. But I'm sure the filters were a mess after that demo (of course, they don't tell you that on the infomercial) Then they did the same to another vacuum and it leaked like hell. Unless you keep those filters clean, it will become a crappy vacuum......The one thing is the filters are REALLY super easy to clean as is the bin....It takes no time to clean them...

It's a light vacuum and has great suction as long as you keep everything maintained.....But I hate the canister part of the vacuum and the tools are not that great. I use my Rainbow for dusting and things like that.

IF I had it to do over again, I would NOT buy a Shark vacuum, but instead, a good bagged upright since I need something to run through the house quickly everyday....So when my Shark dies, I won't be getting another one.


Post# 325531 , Reply# 43   5/23/2015 at 23:24 (3,252 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
I agree

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Going back to the beginning, that was the whole reason I started this thread. I've never watched an entire Shark infomercial, so I can't comment on comparisons with other machines.

The Shark Rotator Lift-Away vacuums include a canister caddy and an abundance of tools! I don't think I would like that aspect of these vacuums. Having to switch between the floor nozzle and the canister caddy looks too complex and inconvenient. Plus, all these pieces would take up a lot of space in my closet! I doubt I would use them all.

I'd rather have an upright with a hose that's always ready to go! On my current vacuums, I just detach the hose, attach my desired tool(s) and vacuum away. Done, put the hose and tool(s) back, and I'm off!

Now, don't get me wrong, but I do like some aspects of Shark vacuums. They're quiet, have great suction and are easy to maneuver, due to swivel steering.

At the end of the day, I probably wouldn't buy a Shark vacuum due to poor filtration and a convoluted attachment system. My ideal vacuum will need to have cyclonic technology consisting of two or more cyclones. Or I could go for a bagged machine.

False advertising...


Post# 325533 , Reply# 44   5/24/2015 at 00:29 (3,252 days old) by hepa ()        
My bagged Oreck

Traps all the pet smells from my tiny Chinese crested and North American short hair cat that my Shark doesn't manage to do. Not sure why, even when sucking up the fresh aroma crystals it seems to still linger until I change the HEPA "Charcoal" bag. Bagged are great though for the capture carpet cleaning powder that just would make a mess of any bagless unit.

Honestly most American's could care less about filtration quality or anything that vacuum enthusiast care about, hence why so many horrid Bissell Helix's and Eureka's fly off the shelf now a days at Wallyworld, and the Aerus shops and local Sew and Vac's are seeing a decline or sometimes going out of business all together.


Post# 325536 , Reply# 45   5/24/2015 at 08:28 (3,252 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Quiet may be a bit kind...

Post# 325557 , Reply# 46   5/24/2015 at 14:51 (3,252 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Yes

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Bagless vacuums have a tendency to smell bad, especially if you have pets. My Hoover Windtunnel uses a HEPA "charcoal" exhaust filter that traps pet odors. It works pretty well!

Now, carpet cleaning powder is like Kryptonite to bagless vacuums. It is so fine that it gets to the motor and may cause overheating!


Post# 325645 , Reply# 47   5/25/2015 at 02:55 (3,251 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Depends on WHAT sprinkle down carpet deodorizer you are using----DO NOT USE the carpet "sprinkles" that contain sodium carbonate or even baking soda.They are the killers of vac motors-the fine powder gets into bearings and destroys them-corrosion and abrasive.Use a carpet sprinkle called "featherlyte" this is so much better-safe for any vacuum.Vac shops usually carry Featherlyte.For some vacuums-the warratees are invalidated if you use the carpet deodorizers that contain baking soda or sodium carbonate.

Post# 325666 , Reply# 48   5/25/2015 at 08:53 (3,251 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I remember seeing featherlyte

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when I was browsing goodvac.com. I wondered about it. I haven't used carpet powder since, gosh, growing up in the 1980s?

All this talk about shark filters made me wash my 2 filters yesterday. They are really easy to wash. I took a look at the hepa and it doesn't look bad. It looks like mostly carbon dust on it.....which leads me to another question. Does carbon dust clog hepa filters?


Post# 325673 , Reply# 49   5/25/2015 at 10:34 (3,251 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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It doesn't really matter what carpet fresh powder you use if you have a Direct Air vacuum with a sealed fancase such as Kirby or Royal. The motors on these machines are completely sealed off from the dirty air path. The cloth type HEPA bags are also not as susceptible to getting clogged up as other types of bags. 


Post# 325678 , Reply# 50   5/25/2015 at 12:41 (3,251 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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They may not be susceptible to powder, but I've certainly seen a fair amount of Kirby soft bags with zips clogged with pet hair.

Post# 325680 , Reply# 51   5/25/2015 at 13:02 (3,251 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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That's because whoever owned that Kirby let the bag get too full and the pet hair and dirt had no where else to go. I'll bet the inside of the permanent outside bag was filthy. That's what happens when folks get too lazy to change the bag when it's full.


Post# 325704 , Reply# 52   5/25/2015 at 14:34 (3,251 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes, probably Stan -but the famiy concerned don't bother with vacuum maintenance, hence the reason for buying the Kirby in the first place. Proof that not vacuums are perfect or maintenance free. Or for that matter in the hands of non-collectors, many owners simply don't bother until something breaks.


Post# 325749 , Reply# 53   5/25/2015 at 19:52 (3,251 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
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That's exactly why I started this thread. We're not perfect. Vacuums aren't perfect. It's a challenge for the whole industry. Vacuum manufacturers do the best they can to design a good vacuum cleaner. But every machine has weaknesses, in addition to regular maintenance. Owner's manuals have a troubleshooting section near the end. It lists common problems, along with possible causes and solutions. So the average owner should keep that in mind if they have an issue with their vacuum.

Most of the time, I will only use one vacuum until something breaks on it. I'm kinda picky about what I use.


Post# 325751 , Reply# 54   5/25/2015 at 20:04 (3,251 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Most I have spoken to have no idea where the owners manual is or if it had one! People just don't seem to take great care of things

Post# 325778 , Reply# 55   5/26/2015 at 08:54 (3,250 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well Nick, your initial post to this thread doesn't highlight that vacuums aren't perfect.

Perfection cannot be defined as there are too many variables to what perfection means.

Poor Filtration on Shark vacuums doesn't mean the vacuum is completely imperfect.

For example when I was little, my parents were happy with their metal bodied Hoover Junior or Hoover Lark as it was known in the U.S. In my father's eyes, the Junior uprights were "perfect," even if, in their life time of the 2 Juniors that we owned, soft bag replacements were required periodically because of my mother's lack of patience when it came to changing the inner dust bag. The front panels on the hoods also took a brutal beating and some needed replacements.

Looking back, I would say it was the perfect vacuum cleaner because it lacked power when the hose was attached and I used to hate the appearance of dust on the outer bag. But to my parents the Junior was great to use and just did the job it was designed to do.

The post underlines that you, as a collector has bothered to worry about the vacuum's design and maintenance where emptying the dust is concerned.

Other owners simply don't bother. We can't change what average Joe does. No matter how messy vacuums get in his/her ownership. Owners have a right to do what they please. They will only learn to change opinion the hard way when something close or themselves gets hurt with an appliance because of sheer ignorance.

Where user manuals are concerned though I have only ever seen one brand where the user manual has its own slot stored on board - the SEBO C canisters. The tool door has a rather handy slot where the booklet can be slid out and read.


Post# 326050 , Reply# 56   5/29/2015 at 19:19 (3,247 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Interesting...

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When I was a little kid, my parents owned a Fantom Fury vacuum. They bought it off of an infomercial around the late 90s. It was in my mind the best vacuum cleaner ever made. I remember when my mom used it as our daily driver in our 2-bedroom apartment with dark brown carpeting and three cats. I also remember the way that the collection bin was emptied.

Now if anybody is wondering, what is the deal with my vacuum cleaner obsession? I have autism. There's just something about vacuums that fascinates me. I think it's the way that they operate and make noise. Using one gives me a sense of satisfaction that I'm getting things clean.

Funny thing is, 10 years ago, I was in 5th grade and I was NUTS about vacuum cleaners! I would have regular conversations at school with my teachers about vacuum cleaners, and they would bring in photos and manuals of their machines. It may sound crazy, but it is a true story. But ironically, I never operated a vacuum back then, because I was afraid of the noise. So I gave up on vacuums after "graduating" from elementary school.

A few years later, we got a Dyson DC07 Animal, and being 13 at the time, I eventually decided to give vacuuming a shot. It was a great experience. I got hooked pretty quickly.

Somehow, this simple childhood fascination has evolved into one of my greatest passions. I am a bit of a collector. I study the design, maintenance and manuals of vacuums.

Yes, I have been to other places where owners don't bother with maintaining their vacuums. Earlier today, I was working at a restaurant, and they have a Bissell cordless stick/hand vac. When I got to vacuum, the thing was clogged at the floor nozzle. I've had to unclog that numerous times, as well as empty the dust bin before and after using it. I've also had to untangle the brushroll. However, nobody has complained of the vacuum not picking up right.

On those SEBO canisters that you mentioned, having the manual on board must be really handy, especially if you have a problem with your vacuum! You can just slide out the manual from the tool door rather than digging through your house to find the right manual.

Below is a pic of what looks like the Fantom Fury I used to own. This is not my pic, it's from an online listing for the Fury.


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Post# 326053 , Reply# 57   5/29/2015 at 20:10 (3,247 days old) by HEPA ()        

Nick,

It's funny that you mention you have Autism and the reason you like vacuums.. I have Aspergers a form of Autism and that is the same reason for me liking them.. Never had anyone who I have been able to relate with. It explains my reasoning for me loving washing machine's as well, I just purchased a TL LG HE set with glass windows to *see it clean*.


Post# 326058 , Reply# 58   5/29/2015 at 21:11 (3,247 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
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I have Asperger's as well! Funny thing is, I also love washing machines! I got an LG FL washer two years ago, and it's been fantastic. I enjoy watching it wash clothes.

Very interesting to find another member who has the same disability that I have!


Post# 376538 , Reply# 59   8/7/2017 at 19:01 (2,446 days old) by carolinaguy1996 (Candler, NC)        

I have autism too. I don't go crazy over vacs anymore, but I still talk about them on occasion.

Post# 376653 , Reply# 60   8/11/2017 at 09:43 (2,442 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        
Shark filtration

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I don't think, that the Shark filtration is all that bad. Of course it's not good as the multi cyclonic vacuums have (my Vax/Hoover Air is multi cyclonic).
I did so called "big mess test" with my Shark Rotator Pro Lift Away NV500. I vacuumed two and half bin full of normal dust. Yes the filter got dirty, but not too bad in my opinion. And I vacuumed a lot in short amount of time.
Bin/cyclone is very easy to clean and I have two set of pre motor filters. So I can wash the one set and when those are drying I just use second set.
For example Dyson won't let you get access to the mini cyclones and you never know when they are getting clogged. Youtube is full of videos about clogged Dyson cyclones. Dyson might have the best cyclone system, but everything else is better in Shark (in my opinion).
So I personally like the Shark cyclone system, because you can always see if it needs cleaning.
Below pictures of my Shark foam pre motor filters after the "big mess test".
Note that the filter is always yellow, even when clean.


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Post# 376773 , Reply# 61   8/13/2017 at 09:03 (2,440 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
autism and vacuums

I've never been officially diagnosed, but some people think I may have some autistic traits too, I'm also a blind person, but, I do prefer that everything be in its place in my apartment, I don't like things out of order, and I love my routines, while I can handle it if things change, I don't like it. I've enjoyed vacuums ever since I was very young, even though I also don't like loud sounds, most vacuums don't bother me, the one exception is these newer vacuums that have the loud screaming jet sound, can't stand those. I also could never go to sleep or go out somewhere if dirty dishes were in the sink, the thought of that, well... it just doesn't work for me.
Mike


Post# 376821 , Reply# 62   8/14/2017 at 02:49 (2,439 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Include me too,people like many other animals are creatures of habit.Disrupt this and they can go out of whack.Before I go to sleep-I always check to make sure doors are locked and stuff not needed turned off.I also don't like the screamy-shreiky vacuums.

Post# 376848 , Reply# 63   8/14/2017 at 13:32 (2,439 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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n0oxy, but for the blind part you sound a lot like me.

Post# 423644 , Reply# 64   4/17/2020 at 05:02 (1,462 days old) by Shattered (Sheffield)        
Youtube is full of videos about clogged Dyson cyclones.

And it all comes from people abusing them. Not cleaning filterS and not emptying before MAX. Dirty shroud reduces cyclones efficiency.

Everything else is better in Shark? It might have a lift away feature but I still would prefer to leave the vacuum on the bottom of my steps and use the hose to vacuum instead if carrying it.
You can vacuum under furniture with Shark, but floor head is bulky and you can't really vacuum easily around obstacles. You can always get tools to do the same with Dyson.


Post# 423650 , Reply# 65   4/17/2020 at 10:51 (1,462 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Filters should be washed not clapped out

I have a shark rocket deluxe pro stick vacuum. I NEVER clap out the filters dry, only take them out right at the sink and wash them with dish soap like my kitchen sponge. Avoids the giant dust cloud and properly cleans the filters.

In commercial settings bagless vacuums are useless because most people aren’t going to clean the filters out but rather just dump the canister out and just leave the filter cleaning “for someone else to do” and then it rarely if ever gets done until the vacuum simply won’t pickup at all anymore, and still them some just won’t bother and let it be someone else’s problem. Users at home do it because there is no one else to finally pass the task off to and if they don’t they just throw the vacuum away and buy a new one. A commercial vacuum with an easy to change bag that seal itself and is foolproof fitting it in such as the Aerus products is about what’s needed. If the user notices it isn’t working and the bag is packed and the bag is sealed and simple to pull out and another one is available and drops right in with no special instructions then all but the laziest of people will do it because it’s not a hassle so they are less likely to pass the task on to someone else.

Just like cleaning hair off the brush roll... nasty job and no one likes to do it especially in a commercial setting, commercial vacs need to have self cleaning brush rolls for sure.

In my opinion all these bagless vacs should come with two sets of filters, so if one set clogs and has to be washed the spare set can be put in while the washed set is drying so the vacuum is always ready to go and or the job doesn’t have to be interrupted and delayed. People are clapping out dry dirty filters so they don’t have to wait and can finish the job immediately.

I have a shark rocket and when I bought it I immediately bought a spare set of filters off eBay...under $10 and This way I’ll never have to clap our filters if I do a very dirty vacuuming job that clogs the filters fast. Very fine powdery dirt will do this such as dirt built up on a mat coming in from a garage etc that doesn’t get cleaned regularly. Car floor mats that don’t get cleaning at least monthly and so on.

And that filter screen should have never been deleted or removed and if it came out by accident should have been put back as its there for a reason.

Only once did I have the rocket clog fast on me and I was cleaning a piece of scrap carpet at the entry from the garage just outside the door to the house, tenants had lived in the house and clearly had not vacuumed this carpet piece at all for the year and a half they lived there so the quantity of dirt in the carpet was heavy and had been pulverized to a powder so the tone of the machine went up rapidly and I checked the suction and it was suddenly poor, a filter check showed it had clogged from the heavy quantity of powdery dirt it was pulling up out of the carpet. Likely even a paper bag would have seen some level of suction loss due to the cleaning of this overly dirty piece of carpet.

Jon


Post# 423687 , Reply# 66   4/17/2020 at 23:57 (1,461 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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I have a Shark Rocket Professional, I like it. Filters on any bagless need to be maintained, and yeah, people don't maintain their appliances. The thing I really like about my Shark is that when you remove the dust cup, the filter is right in front of your face for you to see if it's dirty. It seems it's usually once every 4 months or so that it looks just a bit too dusty and I wash it. It's NEVER looked like it was blanketed with dust.

Post# 423707 , Reply# 67   4/18/2020 at 13:36 (1,461 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        

I’ve never been diagnosed with autism or any other sort of disorder but have always loved vacuum cleaners and washing machines. Especially watching the washers with either the lid open or through a window if so equipped. Always just found all of this fascinating. Perhaps it’s because it’s watching something automated do it’s thing as opposed to a person physically doing it. As far as liking the vacuums, not sure why...I like cars too and that seems a lot less “peculiar” to the general public. I know a lot of guys in the remodeling business who really get into their different types and brands of power tools. Perhaps it’s because I really enjoy the task of vacuuming and therefore I enjoy having a good tool for the task. Thought I don’t vacuum that often, the kitchen once a week and the whole house every other week. I get great satisfaction after the place is clean and neat and get annoyed if my partner makes a mess soon after I vacuumed rather than excited for a new opportunity to pull out the vacuum has risen. Maybe for me I enjoy vacuuming when bigger results are seen afterward. I get great satisfaction from cleaning a very dirty car interior afterward and using my Electrolux or shark rocket to do so makes it fun. So I guess I get fun and satisfaction appeased together from making a visibly dirty place all clean and doing so with my favorite vacuum.

The automatic washer...well I remember as a kid being in the basement with my Grandmother, she had a giant double basin sink down there and would soak clothes in one side and scrub them on a washboard and rinse them in the other side. She also had a wringer washer and that was interesting to watch but it was a lot of work so seeing the fully automatic clothes washers do all these steps in motion fully automatically was quite interesting. My Mother has bought a regular top load full automatic washer in 1967, two years before I was born and so that was common to me but still interesting to watch all the different things it did on its own. My Grandmother was amazed the automatic washer could do it all but was not quite as amazed by the time she got one in 1979 when she was 79 years old as they had become common place in most homes by then so she had seen many. Not sure if the wringer washer died or if it was arthritis in her hands, but she and my Aunt who lived with her decided it was time to upgrade to the fully automatic washer and they never had a clothes dryer...just clotheslines both outside and in the big basement which was always warm and dry.



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