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Thread Number: 28800
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Kirby Avalir Height Adjustment |
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| Post# 321639 , Reply# 1 4/12/2015 at 15:41 (3,298 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
Bass-ackwards
Yeah, that is pretty much the exact reverse of what the G5 and G6 manuals recommend. I believe those say to start with the nozzle all the way up, then ratchet down until the pitch of the motor changes and then back off one notch. Both methods would get you to the same place, albeit from opposite directions. Personally, I think the 'top-down' method makes a little more sense.
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| Post# 321640 , Reply# 2 4/12/2015 at 15:50 (3,298 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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| Post# 321654 , Reply# 3 4/12/2015 at 16:13 (3,298 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 321655 , Reply# 4 4/12/2015 at 16:14 (3,298 days old) by Jeschbac (Texas) | ||
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I don't think... that you wind up in the same place. My guess is that John Q. Public who knows nothing of Kirby goes too low. I'm staying with the "top-down" method. | ||
| Post# 321657 , Reply# 5 4/12/2015 at 16:18 (3,298 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 321669 , Reply# 6 4/12/2015 at 17:04 (3,298 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
Hi, Hi, I asked Kirby about this some time ago. They said they changed it on the video as some customers can't hear the change in tone when the carpet is set at the correct height so they changed it to what they now say on the video.
But the sales people and distributors still show customers the "Traditional" way when demonstrating and installing the new Kirby.
James
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| Post# 321670 , Reply# 7 4/12/2015 at 17:09 (3,298 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
 I still adjust mine the old way. I keep lowering until the motor changes, then lower one more notch. I do this with my Sentria II and my new Avalir, which on my low plush carpet is the #2 position. I will say this, on my new Avalir, I am trying the 2 and 3 position for the correct height setting....jury is still out on this one as I have only had the Avalir a few days. With that said, I checked my Kirby G5 which only has the bars and it is on the 4th bar, my Gsix is the same way.
I think Kirby is trying to make it easier for the average consumer with the numbers, I still prefer the bars....
One observation I have seen over the years is Kirby originally (since the classic till the G series), said lower until you hear the motor change and it will be at the correct height. With the G series they said lower until the motor change and then lower it one more notch. Then with the Sentria and Sentria II, and the Avalir, you lower it all the way down and raise it one click at a time depending on whether it was hard floors, low pile carpet, or plush (high) pile carpet. No mention of the sound of the motor.....
I actually liked the bars better than the numbers. I also wonder if their height adjustment differs, for instance, are the notches a different size between the Sentria and the Avalir?, or perhaps it could be the length of the brushes or the stiffness of them? For my Sentria II, I have both a newer style brush roll, as well as the normal brush roll that they had for the G series. I do have to lower the normal brush differently than the stiffer brush roll.
PS, The one thing that has changed with the new Avalir, are the front wheels being round now. Not sure if they have the same depth or height as the older Kirby's.......but I guess this could change the height adjustment and maybe that is why I am going between 2 and 3, where as the Sentria II is on 2.....
Sincerely,
PR-21 Bud | ||
| Post# 321766 , Reply# 10 4/13/2015 at 09:50 (3,297 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
From Kirby's standpoint, it makes sense to start at the lowest height adjustment and work up. John Q. Public will just keep it on the lowest setting. This wears belts prematurely, which consumers have to purchase (profit maker). The brush roll bristle tufts always begin to become softer, and wear within a few hours of use. Think of your toothbrush after you've used it for several hours (which is equal to several months of tooth brushing). The bristles are much softer, the bristles are splayed out, and it doesn't do as good a job at cleaning teeth. Same thing happens with brush rollers. If the height adjustment is correct, and the carpet is lifted slightly from the floor by the suction, there's little 'bending' of the bristles as the brush passes over the rug. Lower the height adjustment too far, and the bristles bend sharply upon contact with the carpet, resulting in a high profit sale of a brush roller to the consumer far faster than if the correct height setting had been used all along.
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| Post# 321782 , Reply# 11 4/13/2015 at 11:37 (3,297 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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Dysonman1, I think you're onto something. A similar thought was circulating around inside my head, but you articulated it more completely than I was thinking it.
My G5 has a brand new brush roll—the stiffer Sentria version—and I find myself backing off the height adjustment more than I do with either of my G-sixes, both of which have their original brush rolls—or at least brush rolls of the original style. It seems to me like starting with the brush roll jammed all the way down would not only put undue wear and tear on the machine, it could also damage the carpet. Starting with it all the way up and then easing it down to the correct position seems much more prudent and practical. | ||
| Post# 321795 , Reply# 12 4/13/2015 at 13:02 (3,297 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR) | ||
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Too bad Kirby didn't modernize and add an automated height indicator. It seems like a clever person could design a simple app to help set the height to the optimal level based on sound. | ||
| Post# 321828 , Reply# 14 4/13/2015 at 15:24 (3,297 days old) by Jeschbac (Texas) | ||
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Joe well said. Enough with the apps all the time. I think we solved this issue: Kirby "dumbed down" their instructions for the tone deaf. An experienced user will find the correct height by lowering from top to bottom, just as we've always done. | ||
| Post# 321900 , Reply# 18 4/14/2015 at 08:21 (3,297 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
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Rex, I wasn't going to mention this, but I noticed the same thing, totally not touching the floor. She also had trouble installing the bag, the hard floor pad wasn't even attached to the bottom and fell off, when she was buffing the floor, there was debree flying, obviously she is not a good housekeeper...., and she was turning the belt lifter the wrong way at one point in the video.
I do like the video's and have kept mine from the G-4 on. They used to be much longer than they are now and I do understand that. The regular consumer is not going to watch a 1 1/2 hour video for a vacuum cleaner.
PR-21 | ||
| Post# 321976 , Reply# 19 4/14/2015 at 16:24 (3,296 days old) by Jeschbac (Texas) | ||
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Interesting Yes, I noticed the model not getting the carpet nozzle on the floor. Too bad Kirby allowed that to happen! | ||
Post# 321987 , Reply# 20 4/14/2015 at 17:17 (3,296 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 322005 , Reply# 21 4/14/2015 at 18:39 (3,296 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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Hi, I doubt they will need to produce more belts as.....
One, the sales people still use/show the customers the "Traditional" way of lowering the settings when demoing the new Kirby. Two, most customers that I have seen don't pay that much attention to theses videos. I'd say this about consumers in general when it comes to instructions etc. So most customers will continue to use the "Traditional" way.
Here’s the official reply I received from Kirby's Marketing & Engineering dept...
"The instructions for setting the height of the unit were changed after several user comments and studies. We found that some consumers could not distinguish the tone difference. We also found that several of today’s newer carpet styles require specific cleaning levels for best results. Many users still like to use the old recommended settings, but for clarity purposes, we’ve updated the instructions in the manual and the video."
I got this reply when I asked several questions a few months ago when I notice several other things in the video.
James
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| Post# 322062 , Reply# 23 4/15/2015 at 11:24 (3,295 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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| Post# 322087 , Reply# 25 4/15/2015 at 16:06 (3,295 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 322111 , Reply# 26 4/15/2015 at 18:06 (3,295 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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