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Thread Number: 28618
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Vorwerk KOBOLD VK150 - My new toy! |
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| Post# 319248 3/24/2015 at 16:39 (3,314 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
Well after looking at the Vorwerk Kobold for a while and resisting having one, and looking at adding another SEBO to my Felix I decided to have a demo of the Kobold VK150 which led to a purchase!
I am impressed with its performance and the range of tools and cleaning heads that come with the machine. One that I love using is the vac and mop head (SP530), cleans and buffs high gloss floor tiles surberbly. This is a new head attachment which has only been out in the last few years I believe and can be used on some of the old Kobold models. The dry cleaning powder (Kobosan) is very good too. It's very lite to lift and in use too. Very nimble getting into tight spaces and corners the swivel joint on the cleaning heads are very flexible/manoverable! I've attached a picture of the main unit. I still love my SEBO Felix so won't be letting that go for sure and SEBO as a brand. Suppose you can say I've added another brand to my list so to speak. I will be adding another SEBO to go with my Felix in the future. 
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| Post# 319309 , Reply# 1 3/25/2015 at 13:49 (3,313 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319315 , Reply# 2 3/25/2015 at 16:43 (3,313 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thank you oliveoiltinfoil, it certainly is very SEBO Felix est design. The only different is the weight. Like what you did there!
Same here I do love SEBO's especially my Felix great vacuum never had any issues in 7 years of ownership either. Glad to hear you like SEBO's and that the Felix is your favourite too. Thank you, they are a devil to keep clean as they are high gloss ones! Although the Vorwerk mop and vacuum head makes it more easy now! | ||
| Post# 319317 , Reply# 3 3/25/2015 at 17:29 (3,313 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Lovely vacuum, Jon!
Are you going to make a video? The problem with most of the Vorwerk videos on You Tube is that very few show off the vacuum without jangly American music and plucking guitars in the background. I have yet to hear what this vacuum actually sounds like in proper use. It does look rather lovely. How much did it cost you in the end? | ||
| Post# 319323 , Reply# 4 3/25/2015 at 18:57 (3,313 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thank you sebo_fan.
I will do, I've already made a few short ones of the dry cleaning system brushing it in and vacuuming it up. Want to do one of the just normal vacuuming including some of the tools/heads too! I know what you mean there isn't any as such. Hopefully I can show what the vacuum is really like! I will try and show the vac and mop head too! Thank you it does doesn't it, nicely made too. For the full package (the complete cleaning system) which I went for it came to £1500! Quite expensive but so far I'm impressed. Like SEBO I think both are understated as brands and vacuums cleaners. | ||
Post# 319333 , Reply# 5 3/26/2015 at 01:04 (3,313 days old) by tolivac  (Greenville,NC) |
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I also HATE the YouTube videos that have the stupid,corny background music--YouTubers--PLEASE STOP this music crap-just show the video with the SOUNDS of the device or subject you are showing--PLEASE!!!! | ||
| Post# 319340 , Reply# 7 3/26/2015 at 04:47 (3,313 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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£1500? Wow I thought it was only Americans that paid silly money for VAC's :-) | ||
| Post# 319352 , Reply# 8 3/26/2015 at 13:21 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Your videos sensotronic are fab to watch very informative but fun too. I think vacuum manufacturers should pay you to do their online user guide videos or troubling videos as you would make them more interesting to watch.
I know where you're coming from sensotronic as I've been looking at the Vorwerk Kobold for a while and debated to have a demo or not as I wasn't sure about a stranger coming into my house. It took a while but I went ahead with a demo. I'm glad I went ahead with the demo as it was great to see the vacuum and the full cleaning system in action in my own home to see how it performs and how I would use it in my own home. They are very friendly people no hard sell or being pushy. The product tends to sells its self so to speak! You can have demo parties where they will come and do a full demo in your home to a small group usually 4 people or just yourself and you can recommend friends and family they can demo the system too. That's both for owners and non owners of the Kobold can have these demo parties. It would be great if they loaned you one to make a few videos sensotronic to put on your YouTube channel for people to see, like you say it would help encourage people to book a demo, I agree with you there. I take it you have asked them!? I'm sure you can buy direct from them without a demo not fully sure. | ||
| Post# 319353 , Reply# 9 3/26/2015 at 13:27 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319355 , Reply# 10 3/26/2015 at 13:33 (3,312 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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I've dropped some hints to Vorwerk on Twitter but no joy. Vax is the only company that has paid any attention to my videos. | ||
| Post# 319357 , Reply# 11 3/26/2015 at 13:57 (3,312 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Its looks a very nice cleaner but I could get 7 Sebos for that price. But I'm glad you like it :-) | ||
| Post# 319358 , Reply# 12 3/26/2015 at 13:58 (3,312 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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| Post# 319366 , Reply# 13 3/26/2015 at 15:03 (3,312 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Marcus This is a WHACK! to the back of your head. From a Silly American. Here's another--WHACK!! BTW--That's only about two Sebos. | ||
| Post# 319367 , Reply# 14 3/26/2015 at 15:07 (3,312 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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You can get a Felix for around £200 in the UK Harley. :-) | ||
| Post# 319368 , Reply# 15 3/26/2015 at 15:08 (3,312 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319369 , Reply# 16 3/26/2015 at 15:10 (3,312 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oliver is correct as usual :-) And the latest Rainbows have brushless motors I believe. :-) | ||
| Post# 319370 , Reply# 17 3/26/2015 at 15:20 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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If you want I will drop hints to Vorwerk for you as well!!
I know what you mean marcusprit that did cross my mind a few times!! Thank you. Miskini in the UK and I think Europe too they use the Party Planning Demo based on recommendations from owners of friends and family who may be interested in a demo or new customers who request a demo off their own back. They don't do door to door sales or sell them in stores all done in the comfort of your own home via a demo. They have been to the Ideal Home Show and Grand Design shows in the UK in the past as well. I personally don't think it would sell in a store not just because of the price but you wouldn't get to see all the tools etc.. It comes in 5 packages from just the basic vacuum with the standard power brush head which is package 1 up to package 5 which is the full system the one I went for. If you buy the other packages you can add the other cleaning heads, accessories etc later. | ||
| Post# 319371 , Reply# 18 3/26/2015 at 15:23 (3,312 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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How much is the cheapest package Jon? | ||
| Post# 319372 , Reply# 19 3/26/2015 at 15:57 (3,312 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Vorwerk should look at demonstrating on QVC, after all they sell premium brands like Apple, Bose and Miele. | ||
| Post# 319373 , Reply# 20 3/26/2015 at 16:21 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thank you oliveoiltinfoil, very ergonomic to love the built in carry handles top and bottom of the bag compartment.
It does have a brushless motor of 900 watts 3 speeds and an automatic speed. Not really had to use top speed 3. Powerful on low speed 1 and medium speed 2. Runs very cool too. Power brush head is 100 watts. The bag is bottom fill so the air path is short. The vacuum is very light at 3.00kg and 4.60kg with the power brush head attached. Marcus I think option 1 is about £700 for the vacuum cleaner and power brush head as per my picture. | ||
| Post# 319374 , Reply# 21 3/26/2015 at 16:23 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319375 , Reply# 22 3/26/2015 at 16:23 (3,312 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Thank you Jon :-) | ||
| Post# 319376 , Reply# 23 3/26/2015 at 16:30 (3,312 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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We dont have a culture of paying those kind of prices for vacuum cleaners in this country. That's the problem. | ||
| Post# 319377 , Reply# 24 3/26/2015 at 16:32 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319378 , Reply# 25 3/26/2015 at 16:35 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319381 , Reply# 26 3/26/2015 at 16:43 (3,312 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I do like the look of it I must say.It's a cool looking VAC! | ||
| Post# 319386 , Reply# 27 3/26/2015 at 16:57 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thank you it sure is.
Vorwerk has spent quite some time developing this new generation of Kobold starting off with the VK140 and then the 130 year celebration VK150 changing their colour scheme from green to white and across the whole range of vacuums. Meant to say the green button to the left of the swivel neck in the last picture is the soft brush action button. It makes the brushes spin slower for delicate carpets/rugs. You press it to activate or deactivate the setting. The green button flips open the grey cover to remove the brushes each side. | ||
| Post# 319391 , Reply# 28 3/26/2015 at 18:15 (3,312 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 319397 , Reply# 29 3/26/2015 at 18:54 (3,312 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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That's a question for Vorwerk to answer, good question though. I think all their models both dirty fan and clean fan models have all been bottom fill. Only the VK140 and VK150 due to the lighter more powerful motor and new design the motor sits above the bag housing. It seems to work and doesn't cause any issues performance wise.
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| Post# 319418 , Reply# 30 3/27/2015 at 02:39 (3,312 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
What a beauty, green with envy here. I did try the previous model VK140, and liked it very much, particularly with the new brushless motor. The Vorwerk tool set has always been one of the best available IMHO, cleverly designed and an absolute joy to use.
Last time I bought a new Vorwerk was when the VK130 was out. Back then you could call Vorwerk directly and order over the phone without a demo, and get the full kit for £528. The price has shot up substantially since VK Direct took over distribution. Vorwerk themselves are now gearing up to reenter the UK market once again, although it remains to be seen whether or not there will be any changes to distribution and pricing in the future. With regard to the bags, although bottom fill they tend to work rather like a Sebo bag. Dust accumulates in the farthest corner first (aided by the airflow), only nearing the inlet collar once full, by which time the bag will be packed almost solid. The bag collar has a sealing flap which closes as you remove it from the machine, keeping the dust inside. | ||
| Post# 319419 , Reply# 31 3/27/2015 at 04:41 (3,312 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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| Post# 319420 , Reply# 32 3/27/2015 at 06:29 (3,311 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Roger...it would be so wonderful to see a Vorwerk video on your channel. Remember, before the 1960's, many a delicate housewife had the pleasure of hosting a handsome Hoover or Electrolux salesman in her home...usually while hubby was away at work. I'm sure Vorwerk will send a very polite young man who will give you a proper in-home demonstration of his Vorwerk. And if at any point you feel uncomfortable, you can always call in your fierce guard dogs to protect you! :-)
On a serious note: can't understand why Kobold does not see the benefits of a top fill bag...surely they can design a way to do this in their stunning vacs... | ||
| Post# 319421 , Reply# 33 3/27/2015 at 07:06 (3,311 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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No not everyone lives in the states +But you were saying that "silly Americans" and "7 Sebos". A Sebo Felix in the Silly US will run you about $599. Not everyone lives the UN either. We ran away. ;-P | ||
| Post# 319422 , Reply# 34 3/27/2015 at 07:10 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha I didn't say "Silly Americans" I said Americans pay silly prices for VAC's. There's a difference Harley :-p | ||
| Post# 319424 , Reply# 35 3/27/2015 at 07:13 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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There are silly people everywhere they are not just confined to the US haha | ||
| Post# 319425 , Reply# 36 3/27/2015 at 07:36 (3,311 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Bottom fill bags? You'll find that with Miele's S100/S160 stick vacs. Its the reason I got rid of my "Alternative" Miele stick vac. I couldn't stand it any more. Occasionally when parking it up against a wall after use, I'd notice a little dirt falling out the bottom of its sole plate combi floor head.
The weirdest thing about the Miele is that it has a rubber disc inside that prevents dust from falling out, before the dust bag and opens up once the air flow starts up from the bag. The bags also have a pull strip across the hole but Miele still refuse to fit the handier HyClean style inner flap on the more modern bags. Infact when I think about it, I think I only ever had one half dust bag full of dirt in the Miele bag before dust started to fall out of it. I have never had a full bag out of that machine in the 8 years of ownership! | ||
| Post# 319426 , Reply# 37 3/27/2015 at 08:11 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I think the Sebo D series is a good design where the air is pulling through the top of bag. Its far less likely to lose suction and airflow than other bagged cylinders or uprights that have to pull through all the dirt in the bag. | ||
| Post# 319432 , Reply# 38 3/27/2015 at 10:35 (3,311 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Brian, if Vorwerk were to send a brown eyed, vegan, muscle bear with a love of dogs and Abba, I still wouldn't part with £1500 for any vacuum cleaner. Of course If I was able to pay in some other way, I would jump at the chance. | ||
| Post# 319433 , Reply# 39 3/27/2015 at 10:48 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Knowing me knowing you ahaaaaaa | ||
| Post# 319434 , Reply# 40 3/27/2015 at 10:51 (3,311 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Does your Mother know? | ||
| Post# 319436 , Reply# 41 3/27/2015 at 10:53 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Take a chance on me :-) | ||
| Post# 319437 , Reply# 42 3/27/2015 at 10:54 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Tell you one of my favs Roger. Do you know this one..... Flying high high like a bird in sky? I wonder how Bjorn pulled that blonde one? With a sleigh maybe? Haha she was fit! | ||
| Post# 319438 , Reply# 43 3/27/2015 at 10:58 (3,311 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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We have us an ABBA fan. You surprise me, Glenn Campbell and ABBA. | ||
| Post# 319441 , Reply# 44 3/27/2015 at 11:07 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I like a wide range of music from 60s 70s up to today. I also like a bit of classical jazz and blooooooooos :-) | ||
| Post# 319443 , Reply# 45 3/27/2015 at 11:11 (3,311 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 319444 , Reply# 46 3/27/2015 at 11:14 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Well I wouldn't pay it. But if Jon is happy with it then that is all that matters I guess. | ||
| Post# 319446 , Reply# 47 3/27/2015 at 11:35 (3,311 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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I'm an eagle that rides on the breeze. | ||
| Post# 319447 , Reply# 48 3/27/2015 at 11:38 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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That's it. I love that song. You don't hear it very often. I'm gonna play it on YouTube later :-) I expect your fav is "Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight" :-))))) | ||
| Post# 319449 , Reply# 49 3/27/2015 at 11:46 (3,311 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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I am fast asleep after midnight, dreaming about vacuum cleaners. | ||
| Post# 319452 , Reply# 50 3/27/2015 at 11:48 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Me too dreaming about you dancing cheek to cheek with your Hoover :-) | ||
| Post# 319467 , Reply# 51 3/27/2015 at 15:47 (3,311 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 319468 , Reply# 52 3/27/2015 at 15:53 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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You watch Eurovision in Canada? | ||
| Post# 319469 , Reply# 53 3/27/2015 at 15:57 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Roger I just had a thought maybe "Dancing Queen" Would be your favourite haha | ||
| Post# 319472 , Reply# 54 3/27/2015 at 16:15 (3,311 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Mark...unlike in Australia, we Canadians are deprived of seeing a live broadcast of ESC. The international French TV5 is available here and they sometimes showed a rebroadcast over the years. I became fascinated by the contest through my Israeli friends here....it's a long story for another thread!!! :-)
"....save your vacuums for me, save all your vacuums for me..." | ||
| Post# 319473 , Reply# 55 3/27/2015 at 16:20 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha I watch it every year. Australia are actually entering it this year. They should invite Canada and the US :-) The UK could come last this time. Nil point! | ||
| Post# 319475 , Reply# 56 3/27/2015 at 16:33 (3,311 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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The first song I sang in public was in primary school and I sung Save Your Kisses For Me, by Brotherhood Of Man. Mark, Dancing Queen is not my favourite, I like the more obscure Abba songs rather than the big hits. I wish they would releases "Just Like That" but Benny & Bjorn are having non of it. | ||
| Post# 319476 , Reply# 57 3/27/2015 at 16:35 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Just like that? Thought that was Tommy Cooper :-)
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| Post# 319477 , Reply# 58 3/27/2015 at 16:42 (3,311 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 319479 , Reply# 59 3/27/2015 at 16:46 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Muscle bears? Am I missing something here? | ||
| Post# 319481 , Reply# 60 3/27/2015 at 17:02 (3,311 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 319492 , Reply# 61 3/27/2015 at 18:36 (3,311 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319495 , Reply# 62 3/27/2015 at 19:01 (3,311 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 319497 , Reply# 63 3/27/2015 at 19:29 (3,311 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thank you spiraclean, I like want you put there! The new brushless motor is very good runs nice and cool too. I will agree with you there the Kobold tool kit is very good and very well designed and thought of and as you say a joy to use. I didnt think I would use much of the tool kit especially as there is no onboard tools but I have to say there is only 2 tools\accessories I have not used so far. I've even used the shoulder trap!
Gosh that is a price difference, be interesting if the prices change or come down. You are correct Vorwerk UK as they are called are relaunching in the UK as of now, that is where mine came from. Not sure what is happening to VKDirect and the VKDirect website. You could order direct from VKDirect as I enquired a while ago about the VK140 but the prices where similar to the VK150. The bag does fill as you say spiraclean as I've been checking mine. There is a trap door which I can sometimes hear open and close as you power the vacuum on and off. Like a clicking sound! The HEPA bags have charcoal chips loose inside the bag as well so the trap door helps keep them in. I wondered at first what was in the bag. I have to say these bags have been great for pet hair odour I'm yet to get a smell of pet odour coming out of the vacuum. That is without having a scented chip clicked to the outside of the bag collar. Eurekaprince, the only thing I can think of is Vorwerk want to keep the air path short and simple and not over complicate things. If it works for them why change it! Thank you Marcus, I am happy with my VK150. Sptyks, it is a lot of money agree with you there but I think its worth it. Bare in mind I went for the complete system not just the main unit. I'll be honest it could be a little cheaper though. I see it as an investment for my home as a complete cleaning system. I've not done a comparison but having been using the Vorwerk I would say it can clean excellently even with a bottom fill bag no drop in performance that I notice. I've noticed a slight difference in carpet grooming too so far. Hard floor cleaning I will say it cleans better than the Felix but I put that down to the hard floor head Vorwerk has designed which gives it an edge. As I said I love my SEBO Felix and that is not going anywhere. They both have their pro's and con's like everything else does. Sebofan, that not good from a Miele vacuum, hopefully I will not see that on the Vorwerk! Thank you Miskini, it is quite nice looking! | ||
| Post# 319499 , Reply# 64 3/27/2015 at 19:33 (3,311 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319500 , Reply# 65 3/27/2015 at 19:44 (3,311 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 319501 , Reply# 66 3/27/2015 at 19:53 (3,311 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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sptyks,
There are many other vacuums which are that sort of price which people do pay big money for, and just because it looks like a felix, doesn't mean it is similar or just a pretty looking version. It has a large brushless motor which is rare amongst vacuums, a special brushroll design with two separate brush rolls and a very well design and engineered tool kit, so all these things go along way to justify the price. No doubt it will last years and years as well, especially that motor, which only has one moving part. | ||
| Post# 319518 , Reply# 67 3/28/2015 at 04:10 (3,311 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes Brian, Roger does have a good sense of humour :) | ||
| Post# 319523 , Reply# 68 3/28/2015 at 08:09 (3,310 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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sptyks and Oli
Respectively though, sptyks is just offering up an opinion.
But, when considered on the info that Jon has supplied here, it is good to know Vorwerk offer various packages without footing the total cost For example, I love the idea of the Vorwerk mop but having seen a video about it on You Tube, I think I will stick to my humble, cheap steam mop that leaves floors dry in seconds and doesn't involve much time setting up; each to their own. Would I have this Vorwerk model over a Kirby upright? Given that in the UK most Kirby uprights brand new top out of the range from some £800 to £1300 dependent on whatever salesperson you have to deal with, I'd say Vorwerk are offering a better deal. End of the day we are all entitled to our own opinions, but the versatility and the approach that Vorwerk offer here sounds like a better deal to me than other vacuums that may be similarly priced. IN THE UK. | ||
| Post# 319537 , Reply# 70 3/28/2015 at 10:33 (3,310 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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I'm sorry Olive, but I would never pay $2200 for a plastic vacuum no matter what kind of motor it has in it. For less than $1500 I can get a brand new Kirby Avalir with all the attachments including the carpet shampooer and hard floor care system. That Avalir made of mostly aircraft grade aluminum will still be fully functional when my Great Grandchildren use it in their first home. Can Vorwerk make that promise for the VK150?
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| Post# 319540 , Reply# 71 3/28/2015 at 11:05 (3,310 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319541 , Reply# 72 3/28/2015 at 11:17 (3,310 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"...For less than $1500 I can get a brand new Kirby Avalir with all the attachments including the carpet shampooer and hard floor care system. That Avalir made of mostly aircraft grade aluminum will still be fully functional when my Great Grandchildren use it in their first home. Can Vorwerk make that promise for the VK150?..."
The Vorwerk may well last as long, as do a number of bottom fill bagged Hoover classic uprights from the vintage period. I doubt your great grandchildren will do manual vacuuming though. By the time they get to the stage of using anything with a stick and cleaning, it may still just be brushing their teeth "the old fashioned way." One never knows what the future will hold. But I hedge my bets that manually pushing a vacuum around may be a thing of the past. | ||
| Post# 319542 , Reply# 73 3/28/2015 at 11:25 (3,310 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Do you we will get to the stage when robotic vacs will do as good a job as a pushed VAC then? | ||
| Post# 319543 , Reply# 74 3/28/2015 at 11:29 (3,310 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I'm not sure I would personally compare the Felix and Kobold together. They are both of what I call hybrid upright design but after that I would say they are different apart from they both vacuum.
Vorwerk do offer options and packages depending on what you want out of the system. One thing I like about Vorwerk there is no pressure selling, its up to you if you want one or not and what package you go for if you do go for one. They cater for the individual needs of what the system can do for the person they are demostrating it too in their home! I will say one thing look out for Vorwerk Kobold UK. Sebo_fan amongst other things it was the SP vac and mop head that sold it for me. I've tried mopping, on my hands and steam cleaning glossy tiles but the results from this amazed me, like you say it's what suits individuals what works for one doesn't for others that's what makes the world interesting! | ||
| Post# 319544 , Reply# 75 3/28/2015 at 11:39 (3,310 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Sebo_fan and Marcus, You both may be correct about the future chore of vacuuming. (I am one of those who do not find it to be a chore). Robotic vacuums have a long way to go before their performance equals that of a Kirby or Felix. I was merely trying to make a point about longevity. As far as the VK150 goes, only time will tell. | ||
| Post# 319545 , Reply# 76 3/28/2015 at 11:48 (3,310 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I can't comment on Vorwerk I've never seen one in person but I know Sebos can last 20 years, for an outlay of £200 that's fantastic value. But I like to get something new every year or 2 anyway as I get bored. | ||
| Post# 319547 , Reply# 77 3/28/2015 at 13:00 (3,310 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"... I was merely trying to make a point about longevity. As far as the VK150 goes, only time will tell...."
Respectively there are brands and models out there that just keep going; not just Kirby withstanding. The SEBO 360 that I rescued from a church/school was bought brand new originally. All it needed was a decent clean out and a new brush strip. It is 28 years old and still cleans to the best of its ability. It isn't exactly all metal! | ||
| Post# 319548 , Reply# 78 3/28/2015 at 13:07 (3,310 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Some plastics are VERY durable and have the advantage of being lighter than metal. I think Kirby claim their plastic fan is more durable than metal. | ||
| Post# 319550 , Reply# 79 3/28/2015 at 13:44 (3,310 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 319551 , Reply# 80 3/28/2015 at 13:51 (3,310 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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| Post# 319554 , Reply# 81 3/28/2015 at 14:20 (3,310 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Sebo_fan, you must be thinking of the older Lexan fans witch tended to get brittle after a few years and would sometimes develop cracks over time. When hit by a large object, they would break apart.
Actually, Kirby conducted a demonstation of the Amodel fan several years ago. They sucked up a bowl full of nuts bolts marbles and pebbles a few at a time. After opening the fancase, the fan was found to be fully serviceable with only a few nicks in it.
The Amodel fan was developed with the aid of NASA and is 3 times stronger than Kevlar. NASA used Amodel in the construction of the Space Shuttle. It has not only the properties of Kevlar, but also the properties of hard rubber so it can absorb the shock of a large object such as a bolt or a pebble and bounce back into shape. This makes it more durable than metal fans which may be harder but more brittle. | ||
| Post# 319555 , Reply# 82 3/28/2015 at 14:23 (3,310 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Ah so you have admitted plastic can be strong:-) | ||
| Post# 319556 , Reply# 83 3/28/2015 at 14:27 (3,310 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 319557 , Reply# 84 3/28/2015 at 14:31 (3,310 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I've probably taken a personal risk as to how long the VK150 will last but I've got a 5 year gaurantee as well for some peace of mind. The brand seems a good strong company still family owned and the products mainly previous Vorwerk products have lasted well and all of their products seems to be made of great quality. I love it as it is so lite to use and lift. To give you some idea the main unit without anything connected is 3.00kg and with the carpet power head attached 4.60kg in total. One of the new Dyson V6 cordless stick vacuum is 2.7kg. So that gives you an idea of how lite it is which is a pleasure to use.
You could look at it from a different angle the Kobold accounts for quite a large proportion of sales for the Vorwerk company world wide (detailed on the main German website) so if they get this product wrong sales would drop world wide and brand image and confidence in the brand would be lost. So you can look at it from that prospective but as the VK150 isn't that old who knows how long it could last....going on previous products hopefully a long time. One thing the demo units are the same units as what a customer who buys one gets. I don't mean you get the demo kit if you buy one just there is no difference. The demo kits get some use from all the demos they carry out of the full system. So from that angle they seem to be very robust and reliable in that sense. | ||
| Post# 319559 , Reply# 85 3/28/2015 at 15:05 (3,310 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 319562 , Reply# 86 3/28/2015 at 15:30 (3,310 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thank you sptyks very kind of you. I do hope so.
Thank you to everyone that has posted on this thread so far enjoyed reading all the comments both vacuum and ABBA related. I will get some more pictures on here of the full kit etc....and make some videos of the machine, we'll have a go at some. Won't be anywhere near as good as sensotronic vacuum videos but hopefully will show the VK150 in use! | ||
| Post# 319563 , Reply# 87 3/28/2015 at 15:35 (3,310 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319564 , Reply# 88 3/28/2015 at 15:37 (3,310 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 319565 , Reply# 89 3/28/2015 at 15:41 (3,310 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Another view so you can see the bag collar with the trap door. To the left of the trap door is where you clip the fragrance chip into. There wasn't one provided with this bag. I have a pack of 6 fragrance chips that came with the kit which go with the box of 6 bags. I've just use one on the new bag I fitted nice subtle fresh fragrance as you vacuum.
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| Post# 319566 , Reply# 90 3/28/2015 at 15:44 (3,310 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319577 , Reply# 92 3/28/2015 at 17:01 (3,310 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yeah but they should upgrade to the latest hyclean bags | ||
| Post# 319580 , Reply# 93 3/28/2015 at 17:34 (3,310 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I've had a quick look in one of the Vorwerk bags as I wondered what was rattling around inside the bag. It was the charcoal chips. I didn't see any chambers I will have to take another look.
Any blockages the Kobold may have will be mainly in the heads attached or the hose as that is the main air path. Makes it easy to remove any blockages. | ||
| Post# 319616 , Reply# 94 3/29/2015 at 08:20 (3,309 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 319665 , Reply# 95 3/29/2015 at 17:29 (3,309 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 319785 , Reply# 97 3/31/2015 at 09:33 (3,307 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Rex, Yes it is true. The Amodel fans are subject to soften and warp if the temperature inside the fan case exceed 536 degrees Fahrenheit. Actually the Avalir manual is erring on the conservative side. It will actually take close to 5 minutes of using the inflator tool before the temp reaches over 536 degrees. Most inflatable toy air mattresses will inflate in less than 60 seconds. The much larger double size non toy air mattresses will accept the end of the hose for inflation so inflation time is not a problem.
Of all the folks I have conversed with who have worked in or owned Kirby repair shops, you are the only one I have ever heard complain of Amodel fan errosion or breakage except in very rare occasions. | ||
| Post# 319787 , Reply# 98 3/31/2015 at 10:11 (3,307 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
I like the more obscure Abba songs | ||
| Post# 319794 , Reply# 99 3/31/2015 at 10:49 (3,307 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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So should I laugh or cry. | ||
| Post# 319797 , Reply# 100 3/31/2015 at 10:55 (3,307 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Is Bjorn's guitar on fire in this video? CLICK HERE TO GO TO marcusprit's LINK | ||
| Post# 319819 , Reply# 101 3/31/2015 at 15:58 (3,307 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 319906 , Reply# 105 4/1/2015 at 11:34 (3,306 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 319907 , Reply# 106 4/1/2015 at 11:40 (3,306 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I'm not bothered if a vac blows, as long as it sucks well I'm happy. No rude comments please! | ||
| Post# 319923 , Reply# 107 4/1/2015 at 12:51 (3,306 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Which is why the reason you're an Escort lol.
Well if whatever the price is out of your price range for the Vorwerk, Im sure you could soothe yourself with the toy version. Only £59-99! CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK
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| Post# 319924 , Reply# 108 4/1/2015 at 12:54 (3,306 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha love it :-) | ||
| Post# 319947 , Reply# 109 4/1/2015 at 14:06 (3,306 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Even the toy is overpriced. | ||
| Post# 319950 , Reply# 110 4/1/2015 at 14:11 (3,306 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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| Post# 320727 , Reply# 111 4/7/2015 at 13:12 (3,300 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 320728 , Reply# 112 4/7/2015 at 13:17 (3,300 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Bargain! I'll have 2 | ||
| Post# 320734 , Reply# 114 4/7/2015 at 13:47 (3,300 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 320802 , Reply# 115 4/7/2015 at 16:30 (3,300 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Hi Roger no the full package didn't include the waterless window cleaning system. That's the only tool that is not part of any of the packages, it's an additional purchase if you required the attachment.
I have had the pleasure of seeing it in action. I was impressed with the results and would love to get one at some point. You can use it inside and outside too. It leaves the windows streak free and none sticky like it puts a protective layer on the glass. I couldn't believe how the glass felt after it had been cleaned conpaired to before it was cleaned. So easy to use too, apply the liquid with microfibre mitten. Leave until it dries to a white chalk like effect. Then vacuum off with the attachment. The set comes with an adaptor like you say to use with other vacuums. I have a Karcher which is ok great results. Out of the two I would prefer the Vorwerk waterless system for in door use. | ||
| Post# 320891 , Reply# 116 4/8/2015 at 10:04 (3,299 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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I have a Karcher window vac but I'm not that impressed with it. It's OK for the windows I can reach, but is no good for the upstairs windows outside. The more I look at the Vorwerk, the more I want one, but I cannot justify spending that much money on any vacuum cleaner, no matter how versatile it is. | ||
| Post# 320906 , Reply# 117 4/8/2015 at 10:30 (3,299 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Get some ladders and a squeegy :-) | ||
| Post# 320915 , Reply# 118 4/8/2015 at 10:47 (3,299 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Window washing! ICK--That's why we have drapes. As the old housekeeper answer on a job interview "I don't do windows." | ||
| Post# 320918 , Reply# 119 4/8/2015 at 10:52 (3,299 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Or you could pay for a window cleaner :-) | ||
| Post# 320922 , Reply# 120 4/8/2015 at 11:29 (3,299 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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No window cleaner will do the job as well as me. | ||
| Post# 320923 , Reply# 121 4/8/2015 at 11:33 (3,299 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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That's a bold claim Roger are you up for the challenge? | ||
| Post# 320934 , Reply# 122 4/8/2015 at 12:24 (3,299 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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I don't have to prove anything to anyone. If a job's worth doing, then do it yourself. | ||
| Post# 320941 , Reply# 123 4/8/2015 at 12:40 (3,299 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 321008 , Reply# 124 4/8/2015 at 17:44 (3,299 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I know where your coming from Roger, I've been looking at the Vorwerk on and off for a while. I saw one of the older Kobolds years ago at the Ideal Home Show and was intrigued by them back then. More so when they launch the new complete redesign which started off as the Kobold VK140 then the updated VK150 I was more intrigued!
I put off having a demo for a short while but so glad I went ahead with it as I so wanted to see the complete system in action. I'm not easily impressed or persued in a decision and can take my time to decide. The Kobold VK150 just won me over when I saw the demo and actually having a go with the complete system. Roger if you like the ideal of the waterless window attachment I think you will like some of the other attachment the Kobold has to offer. My justification in purchasing the Kobold VK150 is it is more then just a vacuum cleaner. I hear owners of the Kobold find more uses with the attachments for other cleaning jobs around the house. For example the waterless window system an be used to clean mirrors, television screens...even high gloss kitchen cupboard doors!! Oliveoiltinfoil glad to hear the Karcher Gen 2 window vac is improved. | ||
| Post# 322205 , Reply# 126 4/16/2015 at 18:19 (3,291 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 322358 , Reply# 127 4/18/2015 at 07:29 (3,289 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 323432 , Reply# 128 4/27/2015 at 06:42 (3,280 days old) by folletto83 (London) | ||
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marks_here if u are in the UK I would love to give u a VK150 :-) madaboutsebo thank you for your post! | ||
| Post# 323433 , Reply# 129 4/27/2015 at 06:46 (3,280 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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I will have a free one if you're giving them away. | ||
| Post# 323435 , Reply# 130 4/27/2015 at 08:00 (3,280 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 323436 , Reply# 131 4/27/2015 at 08:09 (3,280 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Unfortnately Nar, I don't think the offer was serious. Shame, think of all the videos I could make to promote it. | ||
| Post# 323437 , Reply# 132 4/27/2015 at 09:38 (3,280 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 323440 , Reply# 133 4/27/2015 at 10:28 (3,280 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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Reply# 128
Thank you for the gracious offer but sadly I'm in the US. I've managed over the years to collect what Vorwerks I was able to get & the last one was the VK130 which was not distributed here but the VK122 was out of California. When I called Vorwerk they wanted to know how I had the 130 but I didn't tell them how I acquired it but I like it & wanted one of the new ones. They said they were not going to be distributing any new Kobolds in the US.
When I got my first one in 1986 I used it constantly & everyone wanted to know what the heck it was as they've never seen a vacuum like that. It now preserved in a climate controlled environment where the off white won't yellow. | ||
| Post# 323447 , Reply# 134 4/27/2015 at 11:39 (3,280 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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