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Post# 317766   3/8/2015 at 06:36 (3,336 days old) by SeamusUk (Dover Kent UK)        

Hey Guys
This will shortly be coming to me from another collector. It's obviously a pretty rare sight over here. It may stay or it may end up getting moved on, either way I've wanted to try one for ages :-)
Seamus


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Post# 317768 , Reply# 1   3/8/2015 at 08:22 (3,336 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Ugly things aren't they :-)

Post# 317770 , Reply# 2   3/8/2015 at 08:32 (3,336 days old) by SeamusUk (Dover Kent UK)        
ugly?

I prefer interesting lol... For what it's costing me I have no complaints :)
Seamus


Post# 317771 , Reply# 3   3/8/2015 at 08:42 (3,336 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I'm sure they do a good job though :-)

Post# 317814 , Reply# 4   3/8/2015 at 21:28 (3,335 days old) by Electroluxxxx (……)        

You will love it!!! Just make sure it has a clean filter, clean the separator and away you go! You will not believe how well the rainbow cleans. I absolutely love mine and if I were to trade it in it would be for an upgrade. :-)

Post# 317856 , Reply# 5   3/9/2015 at 14:23 (3,335 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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That machine proves Dyson is a liar. He did not invent the first bagless vacuum cleaner that doesn't lose suction. Even though he thinks he did. 8 million Rainbows had been sold before the first Dyson ever hit the market.

Your Rainbow is an awesome vacuum. You know how much I love mine - it's my profile picture on Vacuumland. By adding a few drops ("few" means three) of liquid fabric softener to the water in the basin, you'll not only wash the air as the Rainbow runs - it will smell fresh and clean like wash day.

Congratulations on a wonderful vacuum cleaner.


Post# 317857 , Reply# 6   3/9/2015 at 14:29 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Do you see a resemblance or is it just me? Exterminate :-)

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Post# 317903 , Reply# 7   3/10/2015 at 06:37 (3,334 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
My all time FAVORITE vacuum as some of you probably know

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I can't imagine being without mine after having it for so long. I now have 2 water filtration vacuums. My rainbow (since 2006) and a Sirena (since recently) - I like the rainbow better but the Sirena does it's job too..

Post# 317911 , Reply# 8   3/10/2015 at 07:51 (3,334 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
I like the Rainbow

I have a D that was born in 1974 that is still running. I have replaced the hose, and rebuilt the Eureka Powernozzle.

I came close a few times to getting a new E4 on Ebay, but they managed to get away. I would consider a new Rainbow, IF the local wasn't such a flim-flam man. When Mr. Houser was alive you were treated well. Now it's easier to use ebay for fragrances and consumables than to try and find the Rainbow dealer open for business. And Service--forget it.

I found a NIB Rainmate at Goodwill, and I run it in my room continuously.

I just have to do this though:
"Wet 'dust' can't fly"


Post# 317922 , Reply# 9   3/10/2015 at 11:06 (3,334 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        

Owning and appreciating a Rainbow requires discipline. You really do need to clean it after each use and keep the separator clean and these things are simple enough to do but add to you experience with the machine if you remember to do them. It's definitely a machine that's built for longevity and one of the few brands out there that has high quality full sized tools.

Post# 317924 , Reply# 10   3/10/2015 at 12:23 (3,334 days old) by afvn72 ()        
But Wet Cat Dander Might

I saw a reference in an online article to a study supposedly done by the American Lung Association. According to the article, the study found water filtration vacuums actually increase the amount of airborne cat dander. Therefore, the ALA does not recommend water filtration vacs. I've looked for the actual study but cannot find it. Has anyone ever heard of this? Thank you.

Post# 317925 , Reply# 11   3/10/2015 at 12:26 (3,334 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I did read somewhere that water isn't the best filter and particles can escape it.

Post# 317931 , Reply# 12   3/10/2015 at 14:02 (3,334 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

Rainbow has had this controversy as long as there have been Rainbows. Non-wetable dust like talcum, fireplace ash, plaster dust will slip through the bath and quickly escape. This is why Rainbow added an afterfilter on their machines to catch the dust that got away.

I had not heard cat dander, but I had heard before that the water may activate some allergens and help disburse them. For a "normal"household I think the Rainbow will do a great job with most dust, dirt and mites.


Post# 317932 , Reply# 13   3/10/2015 at 14:15 (3,334 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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We had a cat for years, unfortunately we lost him due to kidney failure, poor cat, we really loved him, but we still have out dog, he's younger than the cat was, and added another dog too. I've never noticed anything getting by the water on mine honestly. And my evidence that it does still capture cat and dog dander is that my dad is allergic to cats and dogs among many other things (I inherited some of his severe and constant allergy problems, and got them a bit worse, thankfully I don't believe pets cause any of mine) and he's mentioned that when I use a Rainbow or other water vac that his allergies stop bothering him soon after I start vacuuming and for a while after, he says its the only time he noticed that his allergy symptoms go away or are reduced by a lot.

Post# 317944 , Reply# 14   3/10/2015 at 17:37 (3,333 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
"Wet dirt can't fly"

Sounds exactly like what Nancy Sullivan said in the infomercial on the H2O vacuum

Post# 317953 , Reply# 15   3/10/2015 at 21:45 (3,333 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
No, Really>

It's "Wet Dust Can't Fly"

Wet Dust Can’t Fly®

The Rainbow uses Mother Nature’s most powerful element, water, to trap dirt and odors, returning only naturally clean, water-washed air to your home environment.

 

 

 



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Post# 317958 , Reply# 16   3/10/2015 at 23:53 (3,333 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        

If you have the discipline to use a Rainbow, clean after use, change water frequently (I recommend the 4qt basin to make this less of an issue in a large house), you will be treated to great carpet cleaning and zero vac smell.

In reality most dirt you'll encounter is wettable, properly maintained if you pull the HEPA even after extensive use it is still white. You have to realize the separator doesn't just keep water out of the motor, it throws dirt back out of the airstream, original Rexair Vacs didn't even use water.

If you wonder if a plastic vac will last, look at the D4. I sold Rainbows until it became too much of a time constraint to fit into my schedule (not to say I wouldn't go back if I could fit it in again) but the number of 20 year old D4s still running without service was amazing.

What I do like is that Rainbow hasn't kept sitting on the same unit with minor cosmetic upgrades, they've done substantial upgrades to the machine and attachments.


Post# 317964 , Reply# 17   3/11/2015 at 07:26 (3,333 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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I have a model D and I used to have the newest black model. While I don't mind the maintenance of emptying the water bin, etc. when I am doing a full cleaning, it is a royal pain in the you know what when you just want to do a quick vacuum of the kitchen floor, etc. especially if your house is on a septic system where you don't want to empty the container down the drain and you don't want to dump it outside in the middle of winter when it is -30 C. I think a secondary vac is required for these quick pick up jobs.

Gary


Post# 317966 , Reply# 18   3/11/2015 at 07:44 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Question. If wet dirt can't fly why do they have a HEPA filter?

Post# 317968 , Reply# 19   3/11/2015 at 07:59 (3,333 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
If wet dirt can't fly why do they have a HEPA filter?

From a previous post:

Non-wettable dust like talcum, fireplace ash, plaster dust will slip through the bath and quickly escape. This is why Rainbow added an afterfilter on their machines to catch the dust that got away.


Post# 317969 , Reply# 20   3/11/2015 at 08:08 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Probably microscopic particles will slip through too.

Nice machine but seems too much faffing about for me.

I prefer a Riccar Brilliance or even a Kirby myself. Will filter just as well and clean a bit better.


Post# 317970 , Reply# 21   3/11/2015 at 08:28 (3,333 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

Probably the reason other water filter machines say "Wet Dirt Can't Fly" is because Rainbow has "Wet Dust Can't Fly" trademarked, but if one is speaking of a Rainbow then it's "Wet Dust Can't Fly".

Post# 317973 , Reply# 22   3/11/2015 at 08:40 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Harley how does the Rainbow compare in performance to a Riccar or Kirby?

I like the latest powerhead with the edge cleaning brushes.


Post# 317979 , Reply# 23   3/11/2015 at 10:02 (3,333 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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One would have to compare the performance of a Rainbow to another canister vacuum, not an upright. Kirby isn't convenient to use with attachments, and you certainly can't wash your kitchen floor with a Riccar. The Rainbow will shampoo the carpet (and not just rub bubbles into it like 'dry foam' methods). The Rainbow will unclog drains and pick up spills. The Rainbow has a motorized mini power brush for stairs and pet hair. The Rainbow's high quality attachments are easy and dare I say, fun to use. Sure, taking fifteen seconds to fill the water pan before use might be a chore to some. Emptying the basin may take a moment (I've always emptied it into the commode and never had a clog, ever) but all the dirt is out of your house - not in your closet. Best of all, the Rainbow doesn't stink like last month's dirt - and you have no expense for consumables. Rainbow's HEPA neutralizer is washable.

My Rainbow has been running on air wash mode since October, in my bedroom, continuously. I use distilled water in it and have to refill it daily as it adds moisture and humidity to the dry heated air in my home. When I want to vacuum, I attach the hose, switch to high speed, and clean. The fifteen foot electric hose means I never move the cleaner once it's in a room. The hose is long enough to allow me to clean everything on as well as above the floor.

They are certainly not for everyone, and I do have several 'bagged' type cleaners as well as the wonderful Hoover Air Cordless for quick cleaning jobs.


Post# 317980 , Reply# 24   3/11/2015 at 10:09 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Ok how would it compare to a Riccar Immaculate? Was just wondering if it could come close to a Kirby for dust pick up on carpet?

It does sound good as you describe it. I couldn't afford a new one and i've not seen any used Rainbows on ebay in Europe.


Post# 317992 , Reply# 25   3/11/2015 at 12:05 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Actually after Toms description if I can find a used one on eBay in Europe I might go for it!

The only thing that concerns me is if something goes wrong with the electrics it will likely be very expensive to fix.




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Post# 317996 , Reply# 26   3/11/2015 at 12:59 (3,333 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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a Rainbow is the only water filtration vacuum I would ever use. Its the only one I have ever seen that works.

Post# 317997 , Reply# 27   3/11/2015 at 13:45 (3,333 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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A Rainbow is an extraordinarily well made machine, including the motor. The newest Rainbow doesn't use carbon brushes, which is why mine runs 24/7 in my bedroom to wash the air. Rexair (the manufacturer of the Rainbow) makes their own motor, it has an 8 year warranty. If you put the machine away with the water pan NOT latched onto the machine (I put it under the kitchen sink), you'll be fine.
My Rainbow never gets put away, always running extremely quietly on air wash speed. Rexair makes a germicide to go into the water, with alcohol and triethylene glycol as its main ingredients. With a capful in the water basin, the air returning to the room will be not only dust free, but bacteria free as well.

This is my 1939 Rainbow, along with my brand new one. Both have 100% suction, 100% of the time.


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Post# 317999 , Reply# 28   3/11/2015 at 13:56 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Good to know. No carbon dust either.

Are the electrics in the hose wand and floorhead reliable too? This is a potential failure on most cylinders/cannisters I find.

Anyway I'll keep looking on eBay to see if one becomes available.

Thanks Tom.


Post# 318000 , Reply# 29   3/11/2015 at 14:35 (3,333 days old) by Kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
Rainbow

Rainbows are great, high quality machines. They are the only type of vacuum that you can turn on after years and years, and still smell fresh and clean. My Rexair Model C does not even smell dusty in use. In my opinion, the sheer quantity of older rainbows on eBay, and the high price they fetch are evident of their quality. Everyone I know who has a Rainbow loves it, even if they do have to fill up the basin with water and empty it afterward. 

 

I will not, however, that the new black power nozzles clean much better than the ones on the other E series machines. While those powerbeads are not as bad as some people make them out to be, they do choke off airflow somewhat. They always manages to get plenty of filth out of the rugs despite this. 


Post# 318001 , Reply# 30   3/11/2015 at 15:12 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Doesn't look like they sell many in Europe as none for sale on EBay. Lots in the US though.

Post# 318004 , Reply# 31   3/11/2015 at 16:01 (3,333 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
If....

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Your passing by one day Marcus you can try one of mine so you can see for yourself what there like.

Very few turn up in the UK as they just don't sell in big numbers. There's only 2 or 3 distributors in the whole of the UK.

 

Jamessmile

 


Post# 318008 , Reply# 32   3/11/2015 at 16:25 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Thanks James there's a lot of your cleaners I'd like to try! :-)

Post# 318009 , Reply# 33   3/11/2015 at 16:25 (3,333 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I know you get Hylas and the newer Big Power SE that uses a separator. And the Delphin. All of those work the same and are well made. The Hyla being my favorite non-Rainbow water vacuum.

Post# 318014 , Reply# 34   3/11/2015 at 17:06 (3,333 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
having used quite a bit of wet vacs

I might add some pros and cons (only from my own experience, not suitable for anyone else)

All of them are superior to any Dyson or Kirby what comes to "no dust smell"

Rainbow:
D series: Nice and compact, very silent and pleasant sound, although having rust issues on the central hex nut holding the fan blade (I wonder how that is taking it on the long run).
E series: Somewhat better on that, yet a shrieking ramp-up sound caused by this horrible reluctance motor, it makes my molar fillings fly out. I just hate it.

Hyla: Better cleaning performance (even though only slightly better than Rainbow. Sound ok.

Delphin: Highest cleaning performance, sound ok but terribly loud (due to the lack of foaming stuff inside).

DeLonghi: A joke what comes to water filtration vacs. Sound average to ok, filtration is a bubble bath of sludge, there is no circular action in it. The pre-filter is always wet.

Thomas wet/dry and steam vac: A joke. Wet action between average and forgettable, dry suction good but not any better than a standard vac. Steam cleaning plus suction: You are better of with a steam generator iron SANS suction. (Messy, not working, more action to the job than using a good professional mop set).

None of them clean carpets as good as the Kirby does, although Hyla and Delphin come close.
But all of them outdo Kirby and Dyson alike on "overhead jobs", corners, floors.
Workmanship: Best: Delphin
Second: Rainbow and Hyla.
Worst: DeLonghi

None of them will filter non-water-catchable stuff like oily substances or plaster dust. (Thus the back or post "washbasin" filters).
Some manufacturers suggest using scented oils to make an emulsion in the basin to catch the oily stuff (works well until you have to empty out the basin: This idea will make you dishwash it with liquid soap each time, so what is the time saving point here?)

All water based vacuums give me a better air to breathe than any other vac, most of them give me a headache of a daily empty out job, none of them can groom my fitted carpets well enough.
One gives me a grinding jaws movement almost until biting out my molars (Rainbow's E series, I love the design, but the sound gives me the creeps).

Note again: Just my 2 cts, nobody else's. May anybody decide for him/herself.

Buying factor (for me): None of them. Will stick to my Kirby-Nonkirby-selection along with small babies for quick pickups.



Post# 318023 , Reply# 35   3/11/2015 at 18:27 (3,332 days old) by Bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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As for dumping the water after use, I use a large funnel that has a micro mesh screen in it. I just put it in the garbage disposal then pour the water into the funnel and it strains out the grit and fiber and the water just goes down the drain. Take the micro mesh screen out and dump the filtered stuff in the garbage, rinse every thing out and I'm done.

As for other water base machines, I tried an H2O vac, it worked ok but was a pain in the tail to clean out and get all the lint and gunk out of all the baffles in the water chamber. You could never clean it like you can a Rainbow water basin.

I love my E series and just got a power nozzle for it. I usually use my canisters for above floor cleaning then use my Kirby for the carpet.

A lot of the more expensive vacuums Kirby, Electrolux, Rainbow or Rexair with proper care will last a lifetime. My Kirby C (1936) will still make the carpet vibrate, and my Rexair series A (1937) still does a great job cleaning. I am wondering though if the plastic body of my Rainbow E will still be like it is now in 50 years.


Post# 318024 , Reply# 36   3/11/2015 at 18:37 (3,332 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
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This is my hepa filter after five years. I wanted to cut into it to see what it looked like. A lot of the pieces of filter were still snow white. I think this hepa still had a lot of life in it but since it had been so long I changed it. The water/separator keeps the hepa cleaner longer than any other machine I've ever seen with a hepa filter. I've seen hepa filters look worse than this after 3 months. Trust me, the Rainbow works GREAT. I'm glad I'm not on septic though. I've always dumped down the toilet..

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