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Sebo Felix, how does it compare? |
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Post# 317082   3/1/2015 at 07:55 (3,343 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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So there's a used Felix on ebay i've been looking at which is in the 200-300 range. I'm unsure about buying it though as i've been pretty dissapointed with the performance of some of their other machines. So i'm curious how does the Felix compare to the Miele S7 and other high end uprights purely in terms of cleaning performance?
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Post# 317085 , Reply# 1   3/1/2015 at 08:11 (3,343 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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The Miele S7 is slightly better when it comes to deep cleaning medium pile carpeting according to Consumer Reports. It also has better airflow through the hose for above-the-floor cleaning and is quieter. The S7 comes with a longer cord (40ft vs. 31ft), but is heavier to carry (22lbs vs. 16lbs).
Every S7 model except the BOL Twist comes with a headlight which you don't get with the Felix. |
Post# 317086 , Reply# 2   3/1/2015 at 08:13 (3,343 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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It is a fantastic vacuum and a great all rounder. Don't know what SEBO models you have been trying but they sue SEBOs in Buckingham Palace, White house as well as schools, hospitals and hotels around the world.
The felix is nice to sue, great build quality, fantastic performance eon carpets. The automatic SEBO's don't dig into the carpet as much as the manual adjustable sebos, which the felix is. |
Post# 317087 , Reply# 3   3/1/2015 at 08:22 (3,343 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 317088 , Reply# 4   3/1/2015 at 08:26 (3,343 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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I was gonna say. I have had the S7 and really was not impressed. Very heavy, awkward to manoeuvre, very expensive parts. Brushrolls are in excess of £70 here in the UK versus less than £20 for a felix. I found the S7 didn't deep clean nor groom my carpets as well as the felix.
The build quality Is also questionable. A lot of the plastic feel less than substantial on the S7 and replacing the brushrool is a nightmare they are just not easy to repair or maintain. |
Post# 317111 , Reply# 8   3/1/2015 at 11:58 (3,343 days old) by sprockkets (Eau Claire WI)   |   | |
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Oh, and blackheart, if you are looking to buy one, I might be selling mine, cause I can't keep it. I'd rather sell it here than ebay. |
Post# 317122 , Reply# 9   3/1/2015 at 13:06 (3,343 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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I read somewhere that te Queen has 3X Dyson DC05 Motorheads 😁 |
Post# 317128 , Reply# 10   3/1/2015 at 13:29 (3,343 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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You would think the queen would have a Royal :-) |
Post# 317140 , Reply# 11   3/1/2015 at 15:15 (3,343 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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We do have a thicker carpet in the main areas of the house which makes me think the felix may not be a good match for me.
Joe- the black one is/was the one I was watching I like the color of it, which model do you have how much would you be asking and why are you parting with it? I'm still uncertain about getting a felix but I'll ask just in case. |
Post# 317149 , Reply# 12   3/1/2015 at 16:23 (3,342 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 317150 , Reply# 13   3/1/2015 at 16:35 (3,342 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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is what we have and i HATE IT.
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Post# 317183 , Reply# 15   3/2/2015 at 03:35 (3,342 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire)   |   | |
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One inch thick carpets! You'd better not ever invite Mickey Rooney over or you'll never be able to find him. Check out the link below where I took part of that quote from. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Sensotronic's LINK |
Post# 317184 , Reply# 16   3/2/2015 at 03:39 (3,342 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Haha Jerry Lewis I remember watching his films a kid, used to crack me up :-))) |
Post# 317188 , Reply# 17   3/2/2015 at 06:43 (3,342 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Whilst I agree with a lot of what has been said, I do agree with "CC" as the Felix is very different from your usual upright vac design. Running costs are lower with any SEBO model over Miele for starters. You get more dust bags in one box compared to Miele. The only advantage that the Miele has apart from its bells and whistles is the larger bag capacity - but you'd be better off with a SEBO G1/G2 if you want similar; you just lose out on variable suction, brush roll on/off and that headlight.
But then you get greater build quality and a slightly lighter feel compared to the much more bulkier Miele S7. The Felix does have that brush roll on/off which makes it more unique with the SEBO uprights. I can forsee a few members from the U.S buying parts from other countries since it would appear that the mark up is very high in the U.S. Certainly sourcing an outer filter colour exhaust filter may be cheaper than buying "at home," if some Sebo models aren't fitted with the standard colour filter. End of the day weigh up what your costs are likely to be as well as the size of your home taken into consideration, not just how thick your carpets are. |
Post# 317202 , Reply# 18   3/2/2015 at 07:56 (3,342 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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So the sensor/g you feel is a better performing machine? I've owned a sensor s12 and I was not impressed with its performance, the build quality and features were great but it just didn't impress me. Performance is a huge factor in purchasing more expensive vacs. So...I think I'll pass on the felix. Thank you all for your input.
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Post# 317203 , Reply# 19   3/2/2015 at 08:08 (3,342 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The "Sensor G" I have in the UK is a commercial SM2 which has the longer brush roll and 4 manual height settings. I believe its length gives better pick up. Any better and my thick wool carpets will be utterly destroyed!
Dont forget though the Felix swivels, so in effect you'll get a quicker vacuum to clean up. Sounds like you made up your mind well before though - given that the price you saw online for that auction listing puts the Felix into a far cheaper cost efffective product than buying brand new. Certainly if I was a collector, I'd buy the Felix for that sole reason. |
Post# 317204 , Reply# 20   3/2/2015 at 08:13 (3,342 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I'd be very surprised if you were disappointed with the performance of the Felix. If you want the VERY deapest clean you'd have to look at a Direct air or Tandem Air cleaner. |
Post# 317205 , Reply# 21   3/2/2015 at 08:20 (3,342 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Put it this way. I have a Bissell big green carpet washer and it is excellent. I have had it for a few years now and before I had my felix, it would always get up gritty sand, clump of dead pile and pet hair. Since using the felix, the Bissell picks up nothing more than dirty water, so the felix must be doing an excellent job at cleaning my carpets. Most of my carpets are very thick and heavy, which I prefer as it makes a room quitter and helps with heat insulation, not only that they are just more comfortable, but obviously dense piled carpets pose more of a challenge to a vacuum than medium to low piled carpet typically, and the felix works very well on all of them. I suggest you try both machines out before you make a decision however, see what you personally like.
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Post# 317213 , Reply# 23   3/2/2015 at 10:26 (3,342 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 317214 , Reply# 24   3/2/2015 at 10:32 (3,342 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The Felix was my current daily driver until I took delivery of the SM2. Now the Felix is taken to one other church I have also signed up to do cleaning with - for free - just one other advantage of being a congregational member and someone who isn't over the age of 60 lol.
Infact the ladies who have used the Felix adore the fact that it can be dropped to the floor for cleaning the hard wood floor in between the pews on setting 1. The short hose comes into its own for cleaning the carpeted pew seats and I've since added the turbo brush at the front so that they can turbo clean the pews even faster. There's a lot to love about the Felix, but very little to complain about. The only thing I wish mine had was a bigger dust bag capacity - but when it is used at my home and at the church, it is no wonder! |
Post# 317216 , Reply# 25   3/2/2015 at 10:42 (3,342 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Well done Nar I think you will be going to heaven whereas I'll be going in the opposite direction haha |
Post# 317217 , Reply# 26   3/2/2015 at 10:51 (3,342 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Its a real pity infact, that my X1 Automatic barely gets used these days. Sometimes when I have all the time in the world I go around my home with the X1A. I still love its auto adjustment though it is easy to say this if you own the auto model, the one with manual height adjustment AND a Felix. I also owned the Dart model for awhile but sold it to a nearby shop. It is a far more basic version of the Felix (like the Axxcess by Windsor) and runs hot and high all the time due to the fixed non-variable suction control.
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Post# 317223 , Reply# 27   3/2/2015 at 11:36 (3,342 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 317251 , Reply# 28   3/2/2015 at 16:02 (3,342 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 317281 , Reply# 29   3/2/2015 at 19:45 (3,341 days old) by sprockkets (Eau Claire WI)   |   | |
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Weird how ebay works Blackheart? That vacuum went for $229, then $209, then $179, but no one cared until you bidded on it. Do what I do, don't bid on it until the last ten seconds. Bidding for whatever reason attracks competition. |
Post# 317310 , Reply# 30   3/3/2015 at 06:39 (3,341 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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I bought my felix new about 2 years ago and have had mixed feelings about it since.
The good It cleans well Its suction is good when the bag is empty The brush is awesome at groomin carpets Although not as good as others its swivel nick is a nice touch. The Bad The hose is a Joke , who at sebo thought this nasty cheap hose was a good idea, Considering what a great hose the x series had I cannot comprehend what they were thinking. and then it doesn't have a extension pipe either. Despite it costing more than any of its competition that all have hepa filtration it did not come with it. Despite me at the advice of Sebofan fitting a charcoal filter it still stinks of dog after a few uses with a new bag. Its stores indoors in a cool dry environment away from light but it has still turned yellow on some of the white parts. As the bag fills it looses suction like no other Modern bagged vacuum I have seen including other sebo's. You can actually feel a difference. The hard floor tool it came with its very nice but you have to lean the machine against something when you are moving furniture and its top heavy so it falls and breaks. Its a nice machine but not worth anywere near what I paid for it. Maybee not even half of that |
Post# 317311 , Reply# 31   3/3/2015 at 06:50 (3,341 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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I put a bid on it of 220 before I went to bed, and it went for 222. I usually prefer to put my bids in near the end but it was ending about 3 to 4 hours after I was to go to bed so... I do see there's an ice blue model for 225 but if I don't like the vac the white head wouldn't go too well with the filter magic.
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Post# 317318 , Reply# 34   3/3/2015 at 11:06 (3,341 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I checked Ebay.com last night - there are quite a few Felix models on there, including a lovely looking red Rosso model. It seems to come with two long extension straight suction tubes - a factor that gsheen has pointed out.
It does pain me to point out that the SEBO Felix is NOT a large home upright vacuum - the Felix hose when stretched out does offer 3 metres same as the X series in my experience and you do have to hold each upright when the hose is used. In the UK the Felix was never any more expensive the X series, if only slightly cheaper. Now with eco models tagged on, cost prices for the Felix still vary but due to popular demand, they do appear to be more the expensive to buy than the SEBO X1.1 and SEBO X4. Clearly this is not the case in every other country though it would stand to reason for it being cheaper based on the bag capacity alone. |
Post# 317321 , Reply# 35   3/3/2015 at 12:14 (3,341 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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I have thought for some time that if you bid on an item it just attracts other bidders. I wait until the last and put my absolute highest I am willing to pay. Have won some and lost some that way......
If you review the bidding, there are ebayer accounts that have zero feedback, that continually bid on an item, even before there is a first bid sometimes.....???????? I like ebay, and I actually like the Buy It Now options, especially if it is something you really want...... Just my 2 cents, PR-21 |
Post# 317384 , Reply# 36   3/4/2015 at 01:02 (3,340 days old) by spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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I think you're correct in saying bids only serve to attract other bidders, rather than it being shill activity. Sometimes I get the impression people start panicking when they see someone else has an eye on "their" item, and that's when a bidding war starts. Not cool if you're buying (that's when I drop out, another one will always come up), but as a seller I won't complain if it happens. Many a time I've sold used items at more than retail because bidders got carried away and just had to outdo each other.
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Post# 317530 , Reply# 39   3/5/2015 at 16:00 (3,339 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Oh right they've updated the filtration? I'll have to get a new filter then '-) |
Post# 317649 , Reply# 41   3/6/2015 at 22:49 (3,337 days old) by sprockkets (Eau Claire WI)   |   | |
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Maybe THAT will solve the pet odors lol. |
Post# 317673 , Reply# 42   3/7/2015 at 04:47 (3,337 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 317675 , Reply# 43   3/7/2015 at 05:09 (3,337 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Will look forward to it I hope :-) |
Post# 317676 , Reply# 44   3/7/2015 at 05:12 (3,337 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I keep getting blakaeg and blackheart mixed up!How confusing ;-) |
Post# 317681 , Reply# 45   3/7/2015 at 05:49 (3,337 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The beauty of mostly all the Felix models are that you can mix and match exhaust covers.
For example, my "Navy" Felix was purchased but came with a damaged navy filter. SEBO at the time sent out an Ice Blue one for free and in time I changed it back to the Navy filter. Now it carries the old Pet exhaust filter which seems to go well with the white model. The Pet filter isn't actually black but rather navy blue with silver through it; matches the silver colour hose on board.
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Post# 317683 , Reply# 46   3/7/2015 at 06:00 (3,337 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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That looks good Nar. I have the Vogue atm but I'm going to get the new Pet exhaust filter so it will look similar to yours. |
Post# 317684 , Reply# 47   3/7/2015 at 06:13 (3,337 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 317685 , Reply# 48   3/7/2015 at 06:17 (3,337 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Yes good idea. Wish Sebo UK included the E3 model which comes without the PN cause I could have used my Felix PN with it and saved some money being a tight arse! |
Post# 317749 , Reply# 49   3/7/2015 at 22:16 (3,336 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Marcus, You won't notice any difference in sound level with the F9 filter. It's thicker but does nothing for sound suppression. Hope that helps. |
Post# 317927 , Reply# 50   3/10/2015 at 13:33 (3,334 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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but it seems to be an older model because it's lacking the speed control and the telescoping handle which is really dissapointing to me. Is it possible to change the handles over to the new style with the speed control or would it require far more than just that?
Anyhow performance wise it's currently pulling a 5.5 on the baird meter, with a new bag which is pretty good It took 3 strokes (3 forward + 3 back) to remove all visible pink sand from a rug. It almost had it in 2 but there was still a little remaining. It's post motor filter is black and currently in the washer due to there not being replacement ones available in the area, i will be purchashing a new one though. So...how does it compare? It is hands down the best Sebo vacuum i have used. the airflow is far superior to the windsor versamatic, Sensor S12, and Sebo 370 i have owned. The 370 would pull a 2 max, the Felix pulls a 5.5 Compared to the miele S7, it's lighter, has more airflow (5.5 vs 3.5) which i'm guessing is due to a much simpler airpath, and it cleans better (3 strokes vs 4) |
Post# 317928 , Reply# 51   3/10/2015 at 13:36 (3,334 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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That is good to hear :-) |
Post# 317929 , Reply# 52   3/10/2015 at 13:56 (3,334 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Ah… the U.S may well have got the basic models when the Felix first got launched there.
In the UK, the Felix has always come with 3 height position height and variable suction control. What you effectively have is the commercial models we get in the UK, but if the Felix has a brush roll on/off on the floor head, then obviously its the domestic U.S market model. The variable speed control is on a handle which is screwed into the body of the machine. I dont think they are interchangeable without a donor machine. You're not missing much on the telescoping handle though unless you are short for space. |
Post# 317934 , Reply# 54   3/10/2015 at 14:16 (3,334 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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It is indeed quite old, i called Sebo to see if it could be upgraded, and i was told that all parts except for the motor would need to be swapped out. They were produced in 2006 for a short period as kind of a trial run to see if people would like them.
Seeing as it cannot be upraded i will not be keeping it, i like it so far but that variable speed would be a wonderful feature. |
Post# 317939 , Reply# 55   3/10/2015 at 15:30 (3,334 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 317965 , Reply# 57   3/11/2015 at 07:43 (3,333 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Love to say I told you so. It is a better machine than the S7. It is an all rounder, like a VW Golf. It can do it all and suits most people. Love my Felix. You can wash those post motor filters despite what some will say. It doesn't effect it at all, although it is good to change them form time to time, to change the design of them if you get bored !
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Post# 318129 , Reply# 59   3/12/2015 at 21:26 (3,331 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I doubt that SEBO will send the Eco models to the U.S, but one never knows.
Miele in the U.S don't appear to have sent over their 700 watt / 800 watt motors yet. Their current line up uses the similar "C1," C2" and "C3" model numbers to distinguish the "S2, S6 & S8" but it would appear that all of the vacs have the same 1200 watt motor as before. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK |
Post# 318182 , Reply# 61   3/13/2015 at 21:15 (3,330 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 318215 , Reply# 62   3/14/2015 at 06:47 (3,330 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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They cod an acceptable job, but. I know its not deep cleaned properly |
Post# 318217 , Reply# 63   3/14/2015 at 08:25 (3,330 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 318243 , Reply# 64   3/14/2015 at 11:07 (3,330 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Tayyab, you really need a Kirby or perhaps this all metal Royal Everlast. A rare sight in the UK. I guarantee this will deep clean your carpet very well. Such a steal for only 10 pounds.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Royal-Vacuum-C... |
Post# 318244 , Reply# 65   3/14/2015 at 11:10 (3,330 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Plus £20 shipping and about £80 for a step down transformer which you will have to carry around your home. I was thinking about it but I think in the UK a Kirby would be the better way to go. |
Post# 318283 , Reply# 66   3/14/2015 at 14:11 (3,330 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 318298 , Reply# 67   3/14/2015 at 15:25 (3,330 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Thanks, I am still looking for a Kirby Sentria |
Post# 318320 , Reply# 68   3/14/2015 at 16:24 (3,330 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 318380 , Reply# 69   3/15/2015 at 10:55 (3,329 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Awesome. Hope you get a nice one and hope you like it :) |