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Mid 1990s SEBO Automatic X1
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Post# 315713   2/16/2015 at 22:06 (3,348 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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Purchased this on eBay for an absolutely unbeatable price. Can't wait for it to arrive later this week. In the meantime, I'll share the photos from the listing.

I'm really excited for this machine. I've been searching for a good deal on another SEBO/Windsor ever since I sold both of my Windsors a couple years back.

I think it's in fantastic condition and as said above, the price was absolutely unbeatable.


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Post# 315717 , Reply# 1   2/17/2015 at 01:23 (3,348 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Well done Matt i'm thinking of getting an X4 or G1 :)

Post# 315742 , Reply# 2   2/17/2015 at 07:23 (3,348 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Nice version!

Post# 315763 , Reply# 3   2/17/2015 at 13:01 (3,348 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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Marcus, go for it, mate! You will absolutely love either of those cleaners.

Sebo_Fan, thanks! I was hoping one of our resident SEBO experts would chime in here! Any idea what years mine would have been produced? I'd never seen an X1 in that color before.


Post# 315770 , Reply# 4   2/17/2015 at 14:08 (3,348 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Check in the inner bag door/door that comes off- there are two circles that indicate the year in which the SEBO was made, shown by arrows. They are located near the top beside the bag slider mechanism.

Post# 315788 , Reply# 5   2/17/2015 at 15:30 (3,348 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        
That's because

It's a kenmore, it's called the kenmore professional. I used to have that exact machine, don't worry the only thing kenmore about it is the name

Post# 315810 , Reply# 6   2/17/2015 at 18:28 (3,348 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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It is not a Kenmore Professional. I've seen those before. It says very clearly on the base SEBO Automatic X1, Made in Germany.

Post# 315813 , Reply# 7   2/17/2015 at 18:37 (3,348 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        
Ahh

Now after zooming in I can see that. Weird I have not seen that color Sebo either, funny I didn't notice it when I saw it on eBay.

Post# 315814 , Reply# 8   2/17/2015 at 18:41 (3,348 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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Yeah, I'll curious to see when it was made. I've only ever seen the X1 in grey.

Post# 315816 , Reply# 9   2/17/2015 at 19:19 (3,348 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

ive yet to try them but I'm going to get the hepa bags for my x4 transparent. I find the paper bags performance diminishes really quick in these machine. hopefully the HEPA bags do the trick, they usually do.

I'm wondering if this color wasn't exclusive to a magazine or a certain store or something along that line.


Post# 315820 , Reply# 10   2/17/2015 at 19:40 (3,347 days old) by HenryDreyfuss (Ohio)        
Congrats, Matt!

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Last week, I found a Windsor Sensor at a flea market, and it needed some TLC. In my hunt to get my vacuum tuned-up, I noticed your machine on ebay. I have the same model, but with a 15-inch nozzle, and it was always a pleasure to use. My family uses it in their office now. Quiet and very light, but still rugged. Fool-proof.

I finally got bags for my Windsor Sensor S12 tonight (along with the extension hose in the background). This is the same model as the Sebo Essential/Professional G1, and it's awesome! It cleans VERY well! The floors look amazing! I also like how the machine lays flat to the floor, so I dont have to move much furniture while I vacuum. Great machines!

Had to include a picture of the beautiful carpet lines it leaves.


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Post# 315823 , Reply# 11   2/17/2015 at 19:58 (3,347 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Would love to have a machine like those, so easy to use.

Post# 315824 , Reply# 12   2/17/2015 at 20:06 (3,347 days old) by Reflector ()        
Synthetic Bags

I haven't tried out the HEPA Ultra Bags, but I recommend giving the European Ultra Bag is worth a shot, there's someone selling them on Amazon but it takes them 2+ weeks to ship via snail mail all the way from the UK. Using the synthetic Ultra Bags really increases the airflow.

If not, there's also a generic synthetic bag that seems to work pretty well, but I think I have to give it to the genuine ones for flow. Either way they're better performing than the multi-layer paper bags.

I have a topic on the X/C/370 bags in detail with photos if you're curious for photos:
www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...


Post# 315827 , Reply# 13   2/17/2015 at 20:23 (3,347 days old) by HenryDreyfuss (Ohio)        
Those Ultra Bags look NICE! I'll try them soon!

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I ended up with generic Envirocare bags. Because of the clever filtration setup (the tall pre-motor filter), I never noticed issues with suction loss or anything, but I like how good HEPA bags keep the bag compartment spotless.

I couldn't wait to try mine, so I blasphemously dumped the filthy bag it came with, taped it back up, and used it anyway. Did a great job!

Also included is the beautiful brushroll that makes the magic happen. Still waiting on one broken part (rear bottom plate). I saw user oliveoiltinfoil pulled the brushroll guards out of his Felix, and I tried the same thing here. No regrets!


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Post# 315864 , Reply# 14   2/18/2015 at 07:25 (3,347 days old) by Reflector ()        
Synthetic bags

I think you'll really have to give any of the synthetic bags a try, even the generics. From my experience they increase the flow significantly that it feels like you've upgraded the motor outright.

Post# 315870 , Reply# 15   2/18/2015 at 07:39 (3,347 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The only problem I found with removing grids on uprights is that rugs on floors, especially the corners get driven up into the brush roll. I am having that problem all of the time with the Vax Cordless Air upright because NO grids have been added. Whilst Oli may not have a problem on his Felix, I wouldn't bother removing any of the grids - they are there to flatten out carpets as well as preventing edges of rugs from being driven up into the dust channel.

The Ultra bags are quite good. I have fitted a new one to my SM2 commercial upright and Im impressed with the suction. I also started fitting the ultra bags as soon as they arrived in the UK a few years ago; they tend to last an extra month, so they are worth it.

I also have a few brown paper bags left over. Pocono if you want me to send you a few, let me know. Might be quicker than 2 week delivery.


Post# 315873 , Reply# 16   2/18/2015 at 07:43 (3,347 days old) by marcusprit ()        

This is true what Nar says, the corner of rugs do get driven up into the brushroll. This has happened on my Dyson which doesn't have any bars.

So remove the bars if you want but be careful on edges of rugs.


Post# 315890 , Reply# 17   2/18/2015 at 08:04 (3,347 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Pocono - I meant I could send you some synthetic bags NOT paper ones lol

Post# 315909 , Reply# 18   2/18/2015 at 09:35 (3,347 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

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If I had small throw rugs, or area rugs with fringe I would have kept the brushroll guards, but in my current living situation I don't. Actually my home has been robo-proofed for my Neato Botvac 80, which is scheduled to clean twice a week while I'm at work. The few mats and loose flooring items I have are ones that won't snag cleaners.

The Sensor has a responsive brushroll sensor, so if it gobbles up a shoelace or cord it just shuts down. Adds to that reliable design I continue to admire!


Post# 315916 , Reply# 19   2/18/2015 at 09:53 (3,347 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Oh yes Sebo's are fantastic! :-)

Post# 316005 , Reply# 20   2/18/2015 at 20:15 (3,346 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

Matt I am sure you will love that Sebo. They may not be the best deep cleaners but they sure are one of the best all around upright vacuums. I have a Century 400 UVac which is the same as a Sebo Essential G, and it is one of my go to machines when I want to clean quick and easily. The machine is so user friendly and really feels durable in use. Let us know how you get on with it once you receive it.

Post# 316018 , Reply# 21   2/19/2015 at 02:33 (3,346 days old) by marcusprit ()        

You say Sebo's aren't deep cleaners. They won't clean as deep as a direct air motor but for a clean air motor they are up there with the best! :)

Post# 316036 , Reply# 22   2/19/2015 at 07:16 (3,346 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The days of deep cleaning are off for me - especially with wool carpets. Even when I wash them with my Bissell I have to be quick - too much wool comes off because of the aggressive brush roll.

Post# 316099 , Reply# 23   2/19/2015 at 15:51 (3,346 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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Sebo-Fan, I dropped you a line. Thanks!

Post# 316108 , Reply# 24   2/19/2015 at 17:45 (3,346 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        
marcusprit...

Sebo's are pretty good for a clean air machine yes, but they do not have a real aggressive brushroll and not the most airflow for true deep cleaning. However I find that on most carpets Sebo performs really well. The thing I like most about them is how robust they are and are extremely user friendly.

Post# 316110 , Reply# 25   2/19/2015 at 18:31 (3,346 days old) by Reflector ()        
Enough airflow once you use synthetic bags

I'm going to say that the X4's airflow dramatically increases once you use the synthetic bags. Previously my X4's motor was really the only thing I heard from it in normal operation. After I replaced the paper bags with a generic syntheic bag I can hear the sound of rushing air over the motor. The same applies to my C3.1, previously the power nozzle was the loudest part thing, now the sound of rushing air competes against the PN.

Post# 316131 , Reply# 26   2/20/2015 at 00:11 (3,345 days old) by marcusprit ()        

You can take agitation too far, ok it might clean better but it will also wear your carpets prematurely. It's all about getting the right balance which i think Sebo do well.

Post# 316133 , Reply# 27   2/20/2015 at 00:31 (3,345 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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I think Mark is right on the money with all his points :)

Post# 316140 , Reply# 28   2/20/2015 at 01:55 (3,345 days old) by Reflector ()        
Blah, a correction

Sorry: "previously the power nozzle was the loudest part thing," should be "previously the power nozzle was the loudest part of the vacuum." I wrote that without checking the preview over again after doing some edits earlier.

As to agitation: If a X doesn't provide enough agitation, a Sebo Essential G or a 370 has manual adjustment, as do the the ET nozzles. You can set them all the way down. However in my experience of using the X4 using the green brushroll ("For delicate carpets." My X4 was second hand it came with the green brushroll.) alongside the C3.1 with the ET-1 (Has the normal blue brushroll) set to the lowest height and with the X4's automatic adjustment, I haven't had any issues pulling larger particulate out of some rugs. Abeit I think the X4 is a little more "grabby" than the ET-1 on a wand when it nails the height adjustment, it seems to want to pull forward with more force. The X4's head seems to vibrate carpet infront of it moreso than the ET-1 nozzle from my experience.

But I wouldn't go as far to claim that the Sebos would compete against some of the machines with the brushrolls with the beater elements molded into them or some of the uprights with really aggressive brushrolls. Like the Bissell Powerglide Lift Off that Roger has a video review on Youtube.


Post# 316232 , Reply# 29   2/20/2015 at 19:16 (3,345 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

Yes there is an extreme to agitation I am by no means saying the Sebo is weak if you would actually read the post, if someone wants poor agitation Oreck is one of the top. Yes Sebo actually do get some things right for a modern plastic vac, that is why I own one of them. I have used everything from a Riccar, Simplicity and a Sanitaire which are known for having some of the most aggressive brushrolls on my 15 year old plush carpeting. So far after all these years I have not noticed any excessive carpet wear, so these other manufacture must be doing something right.

Post# 316251 , Reply# 30   2/21/2015 at 01:28 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I have used a Riccar Brilliance, it is a very impressive machine and yes it does have aggressive agitation. I would have thought aggressive agitation would wear carpets faster than less aggressive agitation but I may be wrong. I often am :-))

Post# 316274 , Reply# 31   2/21/2015 at 09:31 (3,344 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Marcus you're spot on. A brushroll that's too aggressive will damage a carpet more than save it. That's why the old Hoovers were so good - the smooth, metal beater didn't damage the carpet, but agitated enough to remove the deep down dirt.

Post# 316279 , Reply# 32   2/21/2015 at 09:52 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Yes Chris I've seen videos of the Turbo power 1 and 2. Great brushrolls.:-)

Post# 316280 , Reply# 33   2/21/2015 at 09:56 (3,344 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The TP1 & 2 had a different brushroll. I was referring more to the Junior's & Seniors.

Post# 316281 , Reply# 34   2/21/2015 at 10:00 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Oh haha.I like the Turbo powers. My mother had a Hoover junior. The filtration was terrible. Sucked in one end blew it out the other :-)
Did the turbo powers have a beater bar?


Post# 316283 , Reply# 35   2/21/2015 at 10:19 (3,344 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Yes, but it was very different to the older style. Despite being more flimsy than the previous Hoovers, the Turbopower's & Turbomasters were one of the best carpet cleaners ever made.

Which TP Junior was it?


Post# 316284 , Reply# 36   2/21/2015 at 10:22 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Yes I was impressed in the video.

It was the one with the brown bag.


Post# 316286 , Reply# 37   2/21/2015 at 10:26 (3,344 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Here are the 2. The first one is the senior brushroll, with 2 rows of bristles and 2 solid, metal beater bars.

The second one is the Hoover Activator that came with the Turbopower, later juniors, Turbopower 2 and early Purepowers. The beaters are moulded as part of the roller and spread out around the whole brushroll.


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Post# 316289 , Reply# 38   2/21/2015 at 10:30 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Oh yeah they are very nice brushrolls. Why did the beater bar go out of fashion? Did the wear quickly?

Post# 316290 , Reply# 39   2/21/2015 at 10:30 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Oh yeah they are very nice brushrolls. Why did the beater bar go out of fashion? Did they wear quickly?

Post# 316292 , Reply# 40   2/21/2015 at 10:32 (3,344 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Post# 316294 , Reply# 41   2/21/2015 at 10:43 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Chris my mother had the Hoover Junior with the brown bag and attatchable hose. She didn't have a Turbo power sadly. I really do like those machines.

Post# 316295 , Reply# 42   2/21/2015 at 10:49 (3,344 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Could've been a 119, 1346 or the early 80's model (u1104 style but in dark brown - I can't remember the model number)

Post# 316296 , Reply# 43   2/21/2015 at 10:53 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Yeah early 80s model. It was the first cleaner I used when I was 6. Fond memories :-)

Post# 316299 , Reply# 44   2/21/2015 at 10:56 (3,344 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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They were great cleaners. They still used the older style brushroll.

Post# 316308 , Reply# 45   2/21/2015 at 11:38 (3,344 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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Well lads, the Sebo has arrived and I am absolutely in love. I really missed having one around the house.

Pics to come later on!


Post# 316312 , Reply# 46   2/21/2015 at 12:29 (3,344 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I have a Kenmore Professional 15 in the same colors, it would be the X2 instead though, its wider. I love that vacuum, mine was made in 97 I believe, and I have a Windsor Sensation that is a 96.

Post# 316340 , Reply# 47   2/21/2015 at 15:18 (3,344 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"Why did the beater bar go out of fashion?"

The 'agitator' with the metal beater bars, apparently flattened the pile on some carpets.

The Turbopower 'activator' was supposed to reactivate flattened carpet pile.

Remember also that the agitator body was metal (i.e. expensive). The activator, in comparison, was plastic moulded, thus cheaper to manufacture.

The very last models of Hoover Junior U1104 had the plastic 'activator' (circa 1990), rather than the traditional metal 'agitator'.


Post# 316342 , Reply# 48   2/21/2015 at 15:25 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Thanks Calum :)

Post# 316343 , Reply# 49   2/21/2015 at 15:34 (3,344 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
circa 1990

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They had the activator from about 1986 onwards, after the Senior Powerplus was superseded by the Turbomaster as TOL, Hoover scrapped the metal beater brushroll. The last Junior's were made in 88. They were replaced by the Turbolite. 


Post# 316344 , Reply# 50   2/21/2015 at 15:43 (3,344 days old) by marcusprit ()        

It's a real shame they don't make the same quality today.

Post# 316345 , Reply# 51   2/21/2015 at 15:56 (3,344 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"were made in 88. They were replaced by the Turbolite.&#

Not quite.

The 'activator' U1104 Juniors were on still on sale in 1990.

The Turbolite was an American import into the UK. It competed with the Turbopower Softbag.

The true replacement for the Junior was the horrendously atrocious Hoover Sprite.


Post# 316556 , Reply# 52   2/23/2015 at 15:53 (3,342 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        
As promised...

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Here's some pics of the Sebo!

In order:

The box as it arrived. I find it funny that it was shipped in a Sebo box!

Pre Assembly

All together!

Maiden Voyage

Love the quick draw hose

Half full bag from first use. Of course, I was pulling out furniture, doing all sorts of things that rarely get done, and shoving it under beds since it fits so effortlessly!



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Post# 316559 , Reply# 53   2/23/2015 at 16:04 (3,342 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Loving your SEBO X1 PoconoVacMan, sounds like you had fun using it on it maiden voyage around your house! Enjoy using it!

Love SEBO Vacuums, it's SEBO that moved me back to a bag vacuum from being bagless for years!


Post# 316581 , Reply# 54   2/23/2015 at 21:42 (3,341 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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At least you have some bags to get you started until the white ones arrive!


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