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Numatic's Brand New Henry HVR200-A2 Has Been Changed After Only 3 Months!
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Post# 309141   12/18/2014 at 09:29 (3,388 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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First of all I thought I would tell you all that I recently bought the new 580w Henry and found that the motor power was strong but not as strong as the older 1200w model. What I found more bizarre, was that it sounded just like the older 1200w model in the hi setting, but quieter if that makes sense, but it didn't sound like the John or lewis which also have a 580w motor. Anybody know why? Not that it is a problem but it just puzzeled me, as the wattage was the same and they were supposed to be using the same motor. I did buy it on Black Friday, not when they first came out in September.

Now going back to what this post is about, I have also noticed that Numatic have changed the New Henry line already! Henry's now carry the model number HVR200-12 and they have a two speed motor, unfortunate the they went bavk to it!! At least it is not the Autosave system as it has the original type two speed, green hi/lo switch and the red on off button, they also uped the wattage from 580w to 620w.

No idea why they have done this.

Alex.


Post# 309159 , Reply# 1   12/18/2014 at 11:54 (3,388 days old) by rutger (England)        

Hello

That really is very surprising. Do you have any further info' or pictures of the new machines?
I wonder what the reason was behind it? I have a Numatic John & it's plenty powerful enough (no real difference I can tell between it & my 1200w Autosave) so I can't see that being a factor.
Most puzzling !
Merry Christmas to all.

Dave


Post# 309162 , Reply# 2   12/18/2014 at 12:29 (3,388 days old) by Dysonabsolute ()        

Evening, I had the hetty autosave 1200w. Swapped it for a new HET200-A2 and I can't really tell the difference compared to the 1200w. Has anyone tried a standard floor head on the 580w model instead of the supplied wessel werk one?

Post# 309164 , Reply# 3   12/18/2014 at 12:32 (3,388 days old) by rutger (England)        

I tried the standard Autosave floor tool on my Numatic John. I didn't notice that much difference, I don't think it's quite as effective (& I certainly prefer the Wessel one) but it didn't seem too bad at all.
Dave


Post# 309165 , Reply# 4   12/18/2014 at 12:36 (3,388 days old) by Dysonabsolute ()        

I've just looked at the instruction manual on the numatic site, strange that they have ditched the 580w model in just 4 months.

Post# 309167 , Reply# 5   12/18/2014 at 12:41 (3,388 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Here are some pictures of from Numatics site and from the new "HVR200-12" manual.

Post# 309168 , Reply# 6   12/18/2014 at 12:42 (3,388 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Notice they uped the power to 620w

Post# 309169 , Reply# 7   12/18/2014 at 12:43 (3,388 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Post# 309170 , Reply# 8   12/18/2014 at 12:49 (3,388 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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They have gone back to the original hi/lo switch, hey, why not put the 1200w motor back in and remove the horrid "eco" flower and be done with it!

The first ever Henry I owned was my 2008 Henry HVR200-22, with (at the time) newly designed switch bank with no flower, regular hi/lo switch and transfer face! and not to mention, no silly parking bracket! I loved that machine, unfortunately I sold it, I deeply regret that.


Post# 309180 , Reply# 9   12/18/2014 at 15:15 (3,388 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
no silly parking bracket!

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The parking bracket is the single best addition to a Numatic that they've ever made.


Post# 309194 , Reply# 10   12/18/2014 at 16:36 (3,388 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Well...

I kind of like it, looks like the 2008 Henry :)
I like the Hi lo setting TBH, wanted one of the new 580W ones but was out off that they had less suction, so wanted an Eco one. And no parking bracket? Damn! Why?


Post# 309228 , Reply# 11   12/19/2014 at 02:45 (3,388 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Tayyab, I think you've missinderstood. The new Henry does have the park feature, Alex was saying he prefers it without

Post# 309238 , Reply# 12   12/19/2014 at 08:09 (3,387 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Oops

Well then, I think I will like this new Henry then :)

Post# 309252 , Reply# 13   12/19/2014 at 10:32 (3,387 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I just think it looks cleaner without the bracket and the flower. They are a bit of an eye sore, to me.

Post# 309258 , Reply# 14   12/19/2014 at 11:00 (3,387 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I agree, and the plastic bit sticking out of the back of the neck of the floor tool doesn't look very appealing to me either, and neither does the 3D face TBH in my opinion.

Post# 309261 , Reply# 15   12/19/2014 at 11:22 (3,387 days old) by rutger (England)        

I hate the flower, it's never looked right IMO.

I still don't see any difference in performance between my 580w John & my 1200w Autosave Henry (if anything the 580w seems better!) So the change puzzles me (unless it's a reliability issue - he says worriedly).

I would say though that neither seem as powerful as the early Henry I have, he's a beast !

Dave


Post# 309265 , Reply# 16   12/19/2014 at 13:15 (3,387 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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If Numatic are selling Henry vacuums in other EU countries that have a PN added, the increase of the wattage from 580 watts to 620 watts might be reflective to sit with a 180 watt PN head. After all, if the vacuum has anything less than 700 watts, it could be a figure that turns off the consumer who has been told of the new EU law with lowering watts.

Also, given that the 580 watt motor would see service in the bigger dust bag capacity Numatics, air flow might be lower - increasing the motor might put it more into level of existing acceptable figures.


Post# 309270 , Reply# 17   12/19/2014 at 13:31 (3,387 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Just curious, but

Which Henry has the most suction? From 1981 till present

Post# 309274 , Reply# 18   12/19/2014 at 13:37 (3,387 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I dont think there's a model that can be personally owned to tell much of a difference, Parwaz - unlike Dyson, Numatic's first course of importance with their products isn't suction but overall reliability, performance and build quality.

I have noticed a difference of suction though with the change over from their paper dust bags to their synthetic HEPA Flo bags, but it is minimal based on the fact that both bags have strong rubber membranes on the dust channel. The HEPA Flo bags tend to last a lot longer before requiring to be changed, in my experience.

Saying that I haven't noticed much of a difference between the 1200 watt models and the 580 watt models - I still have to loosen the air valve at the top for a better, lighter gliding feel since the suction only head grips carpets making it difficult to move unless you have strong muscles. A lot of cleaners tend to loosen the air valves at the top of the handle for easier use on fixed power models. The newer Wessel Werk floor heads are better however.


Post# 309279 , Reply# 19   12/19/2014 at 14:16 (3,387 days old) by rutger (England)        

Having mentioned this before to my other half, Sophie mentioned that when she uses the 580w John she finds him difficult to push on carpet & has to resort to opening the air valve (as you mention Sebo-fan). I wonder if the new 2 speed but with the slightly bigger motor helps with this as presumably when on it's lower speed the machine will be easier to push without resorting to opening the air valve.

I personally rather like the little 1 speed 580w.

Dave


Post# 309286 , Reply# 20   12/19/2014 at 14:59 (3,387 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

The important thing to remember here is that the 620 watts is being stated at 230 volts. The cleaner will be designed to run at 220 - 240 volts here in thje UK and the 580 watts stated previously could well be set against the 220 volt calculation.

No doubt the 2-speed switch has been reintroduced as it's what consumers liked - it makes the cleaner just that little bit gimmicky and of course on low setting will use very little electricity compared to some of the high-wattage cleaners still on sale.


Post# 309292 , Reply# 21   12/19/2014 at 16:19 (3,387 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

Thanks for the helpful response :)
I think I am going to go for a Henry made between 2004 and 2013


Post# 309648 , Reply# 22   12/22/2014 at 19:35 (3,384 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Personally I have found that the airvalve to be of much use on the Hi/Lo speed models. Sometimes as the bag gets fuller, and the natural reaction is to use Henry on high power all of the time, it can be frustrating to find that the Lo suction isn't as forceful. This is where I have used the High power all of the time but loosened the air valve at the top of the handle to have a little less air for easier gliding on the floor head, but with high suction power.

Since doing this when Numatic had these models on the market I tend to use air valves a lot more, even on my 2012 Miele S8 Eco cylinder vac. I seldom use the top 3 speeds when the first 3 are plentiful enough, but between the first two speeds, I open the air valve to make gliding easier with the heavy Ecoline/AirTeq 2 pedalled floor head.

More interesting to me though are the claims for filtration on these new Henry models now with 620 watts. The filtration claim still sits at a "C" rating but there is no additional exhaust filter.



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