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Post# 306429   11/16/2014 at 23:06 (3,440 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx)        

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Well it's actually been cold in south Texas! Imagine that?! Anyway I haven't been wanting to go out into the cold just to empty the vacuum so this is about two weeks worth of filth from my floors.....Even though it's clearly past the "full" line the Dyson continues to suck! In a good way. ;) I'm actually not a huge fan of Dyson however, with the active baseplate technology it's the best bare floor cleaning upright period. I hate to say it, but it's the truth! I think Dyson vacuums would be so much better if they actually cleaned carpet well and had way better build quality. That being said I'm holding on to that 5 year warranty!!! Happy vacuuming!

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Post# 306433 , Reply# 1   11/17/2014 at 01:03 (3,440 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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I guess miracles really can happen! 


Post# 306434 , Reply# 2   11/17/2014 at 01:32 (3,440 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Lol its not a miracle as it doesn't break the laws of Science.
BTW the DC65 has a much better brushbar which drives the bristles deeper into the carpet pile, so it should pick up more dirt.


Post# 306435 , Reply# 3   11/17/2014 at 03:06 (3,440 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I personally think the build quality is really good actually fantastic.u should of Got the DC65 Cleans carpets fantastically and is so much better then the dc40. In England the doc 40 is technically the same but has a new redesign clean head and actually cleans carpets fantastically even better than the old DC 41.

Post# 306465 , Reply# 4   11/17/2014 at 12:14 (3,439 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Just goes to show you...

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Dyson is the best. I have owned a Dyson DC07 for nearly 7 years and it's still going strong. My mom now has it in her apartment. I've had some rare occasions where the bin was filled past the MAX line, and also continued to suck, in a good way!

Dyson is without a doubt my favorite vacuum brand. I think the industrial design is the most awesome aspect of a Dyson. What's also awesome about a Dyson is the cyclone technology. Because Dyson was the first to invent cyclonic technology, they're also the only company to have perfected it. Dyson cyclones capture ALL of the microscopic dust entering the machine. As a result, the pre-motor filter remains spotless after months of use.

There are other bagless vacuums that use Dyson-like cyclones. But those cyclones are inefficient and allow dust and hair to pass through, which clogs the pre-motor filter, resulting in a loss of suction.

The carpet cleaning performance is not my favorite side, though. I would like to buy a Dyson DC65 one of these days, due to the high rating in Consumer Reports. Plus, I'll have a BALL at the same time!


Post# 306466 , Reply# 5   11/17/2014 at 12:24 (3,439 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I completely agree with you Nick. And yes the DC65 and the later DC41 Mk2 in the UK do a fantastic job on carpet.
I think u'd be impressed :-)


Post# 306470 , Reply# 6   11/17/2014 at 13:31 (3,439 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lets see...

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I will put my Kirby Sentria up against any Dyson on carpets and we'll see which one gets the most dirt out of a carpet.

 

And we'll see which one is still outcleaning the other after being a daily driver 30 years from now! I'll bet the Dyson gets thrown in the dumpster way before that.

 


Post# 306471 , Reply# 7   11/17/2014 at 13:40 (3,439 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Yes we know a Dyson isn't as well built as a Kirby. Kirby's cost a lot more don't forget.
As for performan on carpet there won't be a great deal of difference. Definitely no more than 5% at the most. And I find the Dyson much easier to use in my home. My wife couldn't carry it up the stairs


Post# 306473 , Reply# 8   11/17/2014 at 13:41 (3,439 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Couldn't carry the Kirby upstairs I should have said

Post# 306476 , Reply# 9   11/17/2014 at 14:01 (3,439 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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I think that number is closer to 25% in favor of Kirby.

 

The Kirby only weighs 5 lbs. more than DC65. You're both young. You should be able to lift 22 lbs.


Post# 306477 , Reply# 10   11/17/2014 at 14:04 (3,439 days old) by marcusprit ()        

25% you're having a laugh! :)

Anyway i'm glad the Kirby works for you.


Post# 306483 , Reply# 11   11/17/2014 at 15:32 (3,439 days old) by fantomfan (Rochester, New York)        
Actually, Dyson didn't invent cyclonic technology.

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He perfected it, and continues to do so. Rexair was the first, with the 1936 Rexair model A. He has taken several ideas from the past (Cyclonic technology, swivel steering and brushrolls with the motors inside them (Think Kenmore Direct Drive), and uses them on his own machines. I am impressed with what James Dyson has done, but I see Dyson listed everywhere online as inventing bagless and cyclonic vacuums (Not on this site as much.) It certainly isn't true. I wouldn't say that all Dysons trap all particles. My Dyson Dc07 has several areas that have had their seals wear over the years, causing some dust to leak. You are right, most Dysons don't clean well, but some do clean well, like the Dc28. Dyson may be the best now, but I feel Hoover is catching up pretty quickly. I am very impressed with many of Hoover's latest multi-cyclonics. Bissell's Healthy Homes are also quite good. (With the exception of that pre motor filter.)

Post# 306491 , Reply# 12   11/17/2014 at 16:31 (3,439 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Well, I guess in another hundred years or so they will have it perfect!


Post# 306493 , Reply# 13   11/17/2014 at 16:50 (3,439 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Dyson can perfect those cyclones all he wants, but the truth is that nothing he does will clean as good as a good old "Direct Air" machine which is a technology that has been around for over 3/4 of a century. 


Post# 306495 , Reply# 14   11/17/2014 at 17:12 (3,439 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I'm not bashing, but I've let the bag on my Kirby 1CR fill about 3/4 full, it held enough crap to fill half a 5-gallon bucket, and guess how it treated my carpets? It kept on sucking!!!! tongue-out


Post# 306563 , Reply# 15   11/18/2014 at 01:54 (3,439 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Btw Dysons can still suck u till the gin gets so full, it starts to fill up the ducting, but it obly does that a little bit. Shows the suction power.

Post# 306580 , Reply# 16   11/18/2014 at 10:39 (3,438 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Absolutely amazing that the Dyson picks up dirt and so much garbage. For my bagged vacuums I never thought anything of the fact that I could continue using them until the bag was completely packed with dirt. However, I tend to pick up things like wrappers rather than vacuum them.

I'm still trying to figure out how to infer that the Dyson is doing an excellent job based on the fact that there is dirt, lint, pieces of food?, and trash in the dirt cup. Perhaps some have x-ray vision and can tell how much dirt is still in the rug after using the Dyson. Or how many candy bar wrappers have yet to be picked up? The Dyson may be doing an excellent job, but I sure can't tell from the pictures.

As for the Kirby cleaning better, it really depends on the user. If, for example, the user doesn't set the manual height setting properly, who knows what it will miss. How does the user know if the carpet height adjustment is set properly?


Post# 306586 , Reply# 17   11/18/2014 at 11:27 (3,438 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Kirby Height setting...

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"As for the Kirby cleaning better, it really depends on the user. If, for example, the user doesn't set the manual height setting properly, who knows what it will miss. How does the user know if the carpet height adjustment is set properly? "

 

Here's how to adjust the Kirby to the proper height setting:

 

Turn the Kirby on then lower the nozzle with the height adjustment pedal one click at a time until the brushes start to contact the carpet and you hear a change in pitch of the motor, then lower one more click and you're ready to go.


Post# 306596 , Reply# 18   11/18/2014 at 13:55 (3,438 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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You make that sound so terribly simple...Oh YES!!! because it is just that simple...very good!smile


Post# 306605 , Reply# 19   11/18/2014 at 15:15 (3,438 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Parwaz, you can keep using the Kirby until it tips over from the massive weight in the bag! wink


Post# 306609 , Reply# 20   11/18/2014 at 15:37 (3,438 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Until recently, Dyson never touted themselves as a brand for deep carpet cleaning. People primarily buy a Dyson because they're easy to maneuver and don't loose suction.  Plus they flat out look cool and aggressive. "Keeping up with the Joneses" probably plays a role in their sales too.  I agree with fantomfan, Hoover is catching up pretty quickly, but Dyson certainly has their place in the industry. 

 

Honestly, I think one of the reasons why Kirby has declined in popularity over the years, is not necessarily because they're bagged or slightly heavier, but because they refuse to move past door-to-door sales. The phrase "vacuum cleaner salesman" unfortunately has some negative connotations attached to it. I know I would never let a stranger into my personal home to try to sell me something. I don't think society is as trusting of each other as they used to. 


Post# 306610 , Reply# 21   11/18/2014 at 15:51 (3,438 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        
Dyson never touted themselves as a brand for deep carpet cle

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Old Dysons yeah but the new one definitely clean carpets really well specially England models every Dyson model gets better with better performance and just overall better. And especially old Dyson machines didn't clean carpets very well but Dyson have finally gave themselves a kick up the bum and finally make machines that deep clean carpet fantastically.


Post# 306611 , Reply# 22   11/18/2014 at 16:04 (3,438 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Oh,I won't even bother to make a Kirby joke....wink


Post# 306612 , Reply# 23   11/18/2014 at 16:14 (3,438 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Kirby in the morning,
Kirby in the evening,
Kirby at supper time,

If I give you a Kirby,
Will you always be mine???

I like that jingle

Copyright ©2014Because I did ®™


Post# 306621 , Reply# 24   11/18/2014 at 17:38 (3,438 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Oh yes, I know you can :) I had a dirt devil handy zip which I used to vacuum up like. Pile of sawdust, and it lost suction when the bag was only brick hard, impressive! I was then convinced that bagged vacuums dont lost suction from that day, until they are full though, obviously, but yeah!

Post# 306639 , Reply# 25   11/18/2014 at 19:33 (3,438 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Another issue with Kirby,not just price, or weight or the door to door, but the action required to attach a hose leaves many frustrated, probably none of us here, but average person maybe

Post# 306646 , Reply# 26   11/18/2014 at 20:11 (3,438 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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what has the world come to, when they can't even attach a hose to a vacuum cleaner? surprised


Post# 306668 , Reply# 27   11/18/2014 at 23:32 (3,438 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
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It depends on the type of vacuum. On the Hoover Windtunnel Air Steerable, you have to plug in the hose each time you want to use it. You have to take the hose out of its holster, flip a door down and plug the hose into a port. When you want to go back to cleaning floors, you unplug the hose and holster it back into its holder. Probably not the best vacuum if you use attachments a lot.

On some other vacuums, such as the Eureka AirSpeed series, there is a suction diverter on the side of the vacuum. It has to be turned from "floors" to "tools" when using the hose and attachments. I think this diverter allows the suction to be more direct, and more powerful, due to the AirSpeed technology. However, one has to remember to flip the diverter back to "floors" when finished with the hose!

On a canister vacuum, it's a different story. With uprights, I'm used to rolling the vacuum out of the closet, plugging it in and turning it on. Now, with a canister, I have a few more steps, as the vacuum is stored in 3 pieces: Canister, hose, and power nozzle/wand unit. When I go to vacuum, I have to attach the hose to the canister and to the wand/power nozzle unit. When I'm finished, I disconnect the hose from both ends to make the machine fit in my closet.

I would much rather have a vacuum where you just pull the hose out, attach your desired tool(s) and vacuum away. When finished, just store the tool(s) and put the hose back into the suction opening. Simple as that.


Post# 306673 , Reply# 28   11/19/2014 at 00:53 (3,438 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Post# 306682 , Reply# 29   11/19/2014 at 08:22 (3,437 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

BTW a Dyson hose and wand is ready to use in less than a second, Kirby takes more than 30 secs

Post# 306683 , Reply# 30   11/19/2014 at 08:51 (3,437 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Maybe in the next hundred years Kirby will invent on board tools.

Post# 306686 , Reply# 31   11/19/2014 at 09:54 (3,437 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
The best upright vacuums with on-board tools...

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Are undoubtedly the Tandem Air Riccar Radience or the Maytag M1200, both made by Tacony corp.

 


Post# 306688 , Reply# 32   11/19/2014 at 10:22 (3,437 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I agree with you there. Riccar and Maytag are the best uprights available today.

Post# 306693 , Reply# 33   11/19/2014 at 11:18 (3,437 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sorry Marcus I beg to differ - you can't go on 'hearsay" alone without actually owning that brand. They may well appeal in the U.S but then so do Oreck uprights and they have a patchy reputation here in the UK.

Post# 306695 , Reply# 34   11/19/2014 at 11:34 (3,437 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I will be trying one out next month. I think I'll be just as impressed as Seamus who imported the Brilliance.
Tandem motors, metal brushroll,foot release, cord hook, motor mountings. Very nice tools, excellent filtration.

Looks fabulous to me Nar. But we shall see :-)


Post# 306699 , Reply# 35   11/19/2014 at 11:59 (3,437 days old) by marcusprit ()        

But I take your point. They may be better suited to American homes.

Post# 306706 , Reply# 36   11/19/2014 at 14:13 (3,437 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Kirby may take 100 years to make on board tools, but Dyson had it on their first vacuum lol :)

Post# 306722 , Reply# 37   11/19/2014 at 16:11 (3,437 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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But Kirby did it right! tongue-out

 

I HATED the setup on my DC17, it was terribly awkward to use! You had to lift the wand up and out of the handle, then hold it an uncomfortable angle.I had 2 DC17s, and sold them both! OK on carpets, but there's a better way! wink

 

Homes aren't cleaned the way they once were. Used to, you popped the carry-strap and hose on your Kirby, then went around the house and attended to your Above-The-Floor cleaning. Now, the hose on an upright is seen to many consumers as a way to get gunk out of a corner. Setting up the Kirby for this would indeed be a hassle, but it's a PLEASURE when the couches, beds, ceilings, corners and everything else require cleaning! Would you rather have a shining aluminum power-house following you around, or a clunky plastic what-have-you? Think of all the drag-around-tragedies! surprisedtongue-out


Post# 306732 , Reply# 38   11/19/2014 at 16:57 (3,437 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Marcus: You really should visit Tom Gasko at the Tacony factory when you go to St. Louis. You will not only be able visit the largest vacuum cleaner museum in the world, but you can also visit the Tacony factory right next door and watch the Riccars, Simplicitys, and Maytag vacuums being built and rolling off the assembly line.

 

If you're interested, Tom can let you try one out and you will be very impressed. You will see for yourself  why Tacony built vacuums are simply the best, excepting Kirbys of course! Tom can get you a good discount on any of those 3 brands at the Factory Outlet Store and show you how take it on the plane with you back to the UK. I think he's done it before.


Post# 306741 , Reply# 39   11/19/2014 at 17:40 (3,437 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

The handle looks awkward on the DC17, but I so wanna try one because of people raving about the power. The replacement for the DC17 is the DC28 air muscle. The brushbar digs into the carpet for improved pick up on carpets.

Post# 306746 , Reply# 40   11/19/2014 at 17:55 (3,437 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Like I said,I sold BOTH of mine for something better! wink


Post# 306767 , Reply# 41   11/19/2014 at 21:41 (3,437 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Alex, what did you trade'em up for....a KIRBY?! smile

 


Post# 306862 , Reply# 42   11/20/2014 at 17:44 (3,436 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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lol I didn't need to sell a Dyson to have a good reason to bring home another Kirby! tongue-out


Post# 307392 , Reply# 43   11/26/2014 at 20:15 (3,430 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx)        

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I actually own a DC07 also, and it's like brand new for its age. I end up using them both a lot because the DC07 works better on carpet and the DC40 works better on floor. I like both of my Dyson's for their convenience, but I'd rather have a Rainbow or some sort of high end canister like a Tacony machine....I have more important things to spend money on right now other then a new vacuum cleaner.

Post# 308139 , Reply# 44   12/6/2014 at 22:57 (3,420 days old) by director12 ()        

Speaking of Dysons, didn't you own a DC14 at one point?

Post# 308144 , Reply# 45   12/6/2014 at 23:58 (3,420 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx)        
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Yes I did! Used it heavily for 7 years until it got completely worn out.

Post# 308159 , Reply# 46   12/7/2014 at 06:03 (3,419 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Are you that guy with the red DC14 purchased in Summer 2006, and painted the cleaner head for the clutch or something, and torn the hose, and never fixed it because parts were expensive? :) if so, I loved your videos :D

Post# 308164 , Reply# 47   12/7/2014 at 08:08 (3,419 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I recently got a bagless vacuum. I use it only for carpets but I use my rainbow for everything else like dusting, hard floors etc. I use my Rainbow to Suck the bin clean and the foam filter....

Post# 308274 , Reply# 48   12/8/2014 at 19:08 (3,418 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx)        
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Yep that's me! Haven't made a video in quite a while, my stupid I-Phone won't upload videos I take! Guess I'll need to import the videos to my computer and upload them to YouTube from it instead.


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