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Thread Number: 27198
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
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| Post# 304629 , Reply# 2 11/4/2014 at 15:51 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 304630 , Reply# 3 11/4/2014 at 15:53 (3,459 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK) | ||
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Every 3 months eh? My DC39 was every month. And I'm sure the DC40 says wash once a month too. Mine DID need washing once a month, and as said above the example given is by following the used guide and actually washing them at the correct intervals. | ||
| Post# 304631 , Reply# 4 11/4/2014 at 15:54 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha well you surprise me turbo :-) Press button open flap dump close flap done. Now smelly rotting bag :) | ||
Post# 304632 , Reply# 5 11/4/2014 at 15:55 (3,459 days old) by bagintheback  (Flagstaff, Arizona) |
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 I prefer bags in every situation expect one: dry carpet cleaning. When using Host or Capture, both fantastic products for cleaning carpet with light to medium soiling, my Dyson is my best friend. Capture in particular is so fine, it clogs most bags almost immediately. Even Tristar bags quickly loose suction, and to vacuum up the powder you need maximum suction consistently. I have not had a suction issue with cyclonic bagless vacuums with more than two cyclones.
When the bin is full, I simply walk outside and empty it. Let's say this takes a minute, and I only have to do this once a room. Afterward, although not mandatory, I dissemble the cyclone, blow out any dust remaining with the blower function on my Electrolux, and then suction off the filter. I've never actually washed my DC14's filter. This takes maybe 7 minutes. Otherwise, I would have to replace a vacuum bag every few minutes or so while cleaning, walk out to the trash can each time, and pay for every bag, although honestly I buy C bags in bulk so that doesn't amount to much. I've found it to be both more economical and time saving to use a bagless vacuum in that particular situation. | ||
| Post# 304633 , Reply# 6 11/4/2014 at 15:55 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Nah the; instructions say every 3 months matt I have them in front of me :-) | ||
| Post# 304635 , Reply# 8 11/4/2014 at 15:58 (3,459 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England) | ||
Yep Bagged here too. Me and my dad are allergic to dust so emptying the container of a bagless vacuum is a messy and painful task. With a bag, all you have to do is take it out, put it in the bin, and put a new one in. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, and really no need for anything more complicated or time consuming.
Wavering slightly off topic here, I saw this scan the other day and thought you may like it Chris. Apologies for the large size of the picture. 
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| Post# 304636 , Reply# 9 11/4/2014 at 15:59 (3,459 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK) | ||
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3 months for what Marcus? for a DC41, yes. Most other Dyson machines are now monthly. Or the DC39 was when I owned it, as was my last DC25 and as was the last DC40 I saw on display in Currys | ||
| Post# 304637 , Reply# 10 11/4/2014 at 16:02 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes my advice is buy the DC41 :-) But I said I wasn't going to mention it again whoops :-) | ||
| Post# 304638 , Reply# 11 11/4/2014 at 16:04 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh a whole 90 seconds well shiver me timbers haha :-) | ||
| Post# 304639 , Reply# 12 11/4/2014 at 16:04 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 304640 , Reply# 13 11/4/2014 at 16:07 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Oh a whole 90 seconds well shiver me timbers | ||
| Post# 304641 , Reply# 14 11/4/2014 at 16:08 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha when do I ever get any respect for my views turbo? | ||
| Post# 304642 , Reply# 15 11/4/2014 at 16:11 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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You are always bashing my poor Dyson what has he done to you? I'm gonna go and hug him now haha | ||
| Post# 304643 , Reply# 16 11/4/2014 at 16:12 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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when do I ever get any respect for my views constantly! When have your views been disrespected, more to the point? I don't think anyone has smacked you down for liking your Dyson, despite you smacking others down for preferring another cleaner. Infact, some of us are quite pleased that Dyson have AT LEAST made a cleaner with a decent brushroll in it. Respect works both ways, ya know. | ||
| Post# 304644 , Reply# 17 11/4/2014 at 16:13 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I'm gonna go and hug him now haha ...am I reading that part right, or have I just been on the wine a bit too much tonight? :P
Marcus, let me get one thing perfectly clear. I don't have anything against your DC41.2. At all. I'm really glad that you've found a product that works so well for you. I've not had chance to use the mk2 yet, so I can't comment. But overall, I'm not a fan of Dyson products (any of them!), I don't like James Dyson as a person based on what I know and I don't like the company. Whilst I've no major issue with the performance of their cleaners, I've always found them very mediocre for the price you pay. I don't think that the high price tag reflects the quality of the machine you get. | ||
| Post# 304645 , Reply# 18 11/4/2014 at 16:15 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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ERM 90 seconds my arse??? And I think you called my views ridiculous last night? Anyway I don't want an argument. If you don't want me on here I will willingly leave :-) | ||
| Post# 304646 , Reply# 19 11/4/2014 at 16:22 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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If you don't want me on here I will willingly leave | ||
| Post# 304648 , Reply# 20 11/4/2014 at 16:28 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Its difficult to enjoy the debate when its me against the world. Anyway I shall rejoin a debate when its not a Dyson bashing one. Goodnight | ||
| Post# 304649 , Reply# 21 11/4/2014 at 16:34 (3,459 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK) | ||
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This isn't Dyson bashing. Its about bagged VS bagless and the time it takes for care for each type of machine. Bagless could be Dyson, Hoover, Vax ect ect If anything I've tried to be kind to bagless and chosen the Dyson. Had I chosen a direct filter bagless... Say an Electrolux Vitesse you could spend 700 hours cleaning the ruddy filter in 4 years. | ||
| Post# 304651 , Reply# 22 11/4/2014 at 16:37 (3,459 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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You know sometimes I think you would all be better off posting in the Junior section. Have any of you grown men got any idea how ridiculous you sound? | ||
| Post# 304652 , Reply# 23 11/4/2014 at 16:44 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 304658 , Reply# 24 11/4/2014 at 17:01 (3,459 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 304665 , Reply# 25 11/4/2014 at 17:29 (3,459 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 304681 , Reply# 26 11/4/2014 at 17:55 (3,459 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
 Oh gee, poor Matt, do you even know what a can of worms you've opened? Let's see where this goes!
As for me, I'm bagged-bagity-bag bag bag! Whenever I empty a bagless machine, household schmutz always sticks to the cyclones, against the bin. The only exception to this is Fantom, they knew how to design a bagless vacuum! The cuckoo cyclones are not part of the bin, schmutz falls out with ease. However, on those....'other'....bagless vacuums,I find myself constantly beating the bin against the trash bin, creating a giant dust storm.if only I had chosen a bag for the job,I would've been done faster and cleaner! Even my shake-out Kirbys aren't as bad as those things! | ||
| Post# 304685 , Reply# 27 11/4/2014 at 18:21 (3,459 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Rainbow or Filter Queen for bagless; but I much prefer bagged | ||
| Post# 304686 , Reply# 28 11/4/2014 at 18:36 (3,459 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
I have Got three cats and 2 dogs and lots of thick rug and my old DC 41 never had its filter washed it stayed clean for almost a year and a half I never cleaned it or anything but I got rid of it. And my carer has a Dyson DC 40 is about 5 to 6 months old in the filter is still spotless and the whole house is carpeted and it's quite A big house you've got two dogs and 5 people live there it's used every day is emptied every time and she has actually got allergies and she doesn't find A problem at all and there's never a dust cloud It all just simply drop out. There is some bagless machines that wouldn't even touch because They are just filthy like machines with nonaffective cyclone technology seems that just a crappy filters that blocked up easily They are just a nightmare the only bagless machines I will have is Dyson and shark and some VAXes
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| Post# 304690 , Reply# 29 11/4/2014 at 18:50 (3,459 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 304693 , Reply# 30 11/4/2014 at 18:53 (3,459 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 304695 , Reply# 31 11/4/2014 at 18:57 (3,459 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Bagged v Bagless
Gotta go with bagged machines i've owned several bagless ones including a fantom Cyclone XT, Dyson DC-07, 11, and 17, A hoover T series, a dirt devil vibe, shark navigator lift away, etc
Bagless machines have such complex airpaths which causes them to have poor airflow. out of all of the ones i have owned the T series had the most flow with a 3/10 on the baird meter. Bagged machines often have a simpler air path and this allows them to have higher flow some examples include; Hoover windtunnels 8/10, Simplicity 7/Riccar 8900s 7.5, Electrolux olympia 4.5/10 When i had bagless machines, i would almost always take the bin to the garage to empty, and i'll tell ya when it's -30f outside it's not fun. The bins were dumped nearly every time any of them were used. The only bagless system i like is the silver king, it's not a true bagless as it uses disposable filter pads | ||
| Post# 304696 , Reply# 32 11/4/2014 at 18:58 (3,459 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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That air will be 1,500 times dirtier when you empty the vacuum, though! You could drop a sealed HEPA bag off a roof, with no problems. If you empty that Dyson 5 inches off the floor.you have a miniature dust storm! Happens with all my bagless models, it's that silly, inefficient bottom-opening dust bin that's too blame. Fantom, Amway, and Rainbow are the only bagless machines in my possession that have been (whether thoughtfully or on pure accident) designed to prevent this event. | ||
| Post# 304697 , Reply# 33 11/4/2014 at 19:05 (3,459 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 304700 , Reply# 34 11/4/2014 at 19:10 (3,459 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 304701 , Reply# 35 11/4/2014 at 19:11 (3,459 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA) | ||
I prefer bagless in just about any situation, especially with pets. If you have a pet that sheds a lot, a vacuum with a "pet" designation, such as a Dyson Animal, is the way to go. I think pet hair will fill bags very quickly, which means more frequent bag changes, and thus burning through money. I have been accustomed to bagless and have never owned or used a bagged vacuum in my current home.
However, a bagged vacuum has worked in one situation in the past: cleaning out a fireplace. Back in my old apartment, my family owned 2 vacuums: a Eureka Ultra ESP and a Fantom Fury. The Eureka had a hose that clamped onto the bottom, then my mom would use the hose to clean out the fireplace. She said that bagged vacuums make it easy to clean out fireplaces because all of the ash is locked in the bag and makes for easier disposal. Mom, at the time, used the Fantom Fury in that apartment with 3 cats and dark brown carpet. I now live in a home with a gas fireplace, so we don't have to constantly maintain it. When the bin is full, I take it to the kitchen trash can and empty it. I prefer to do this after every single use, regardless of how full it is. I don't like having dust and dirt sitting in a bin or bag, which can potentially rot and result in bad odors. Then I follow the maintenance instructions in the manual or on the vacuum itself to wash the filter(s) as directed. I've never experienced a loss of suction on a vacuum with two or more cyclones. If you're cleaning up lots of pet hair, a bagless vacuum is much more economical. | ||
| Post# 304707 , Reply# 37 11/4/2014 at 19:43 (3,459 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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Niclonnic, take that dirt your [BAGLESS VACUUM HERE] just picked up, and then vacuum it up with a bagged vacuum. notice a difference in size? that's because bagless vacuums "fluff" up the dirt and dust, thanks to all that lovely cyclonic action!
That poor Eureka, if this was one of the fan-first models, I can only imagine what that fan would've looked like! | ||
| Post# 304709 , Reply# 38 11/4/2014 at 19:43 (3,459 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA) | ||
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Wow...
Of course I've never used a bagged machine, so I was not aware of the "compacting" effect of bags.
Now I'm aware of a side effect of cyclonic technology: the rapidly spinning air "fluffs" out the dirt and makes it look larger than it actually is. Plus, lots of bagless vacuums have an inner chamber in the dirt bin, which itself takes up a lot of the bin's capacity, resulting in a smaller bin. | ||
| Post# 304712 , Reply# 39 11/4/2014 at 19:48 (3,459 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA) | ||
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Oh Super-sweeper... | ||
| Post# 304713 , Reply# 40 11/4/2014 at 19:51 (3,459 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 304714 , Reply# 41 11/4/2014 at 19:57 (3,459 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA) | ||
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Hahahahaha!
I don't shop at Montgomery Ward! If I had to use a bagged vacuum, I would want to try a Miele S7260 Cat and Dog. It looks nice, but is expensive!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO niclonnic's LINK | ||
| Post# 304719 , Reply# 43 11/4/2014 at 20:15 (3,459 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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Re Eureka upright.. My 1950 Eureka built Ward's is still running fine....proving one thing, metal is always better than plastic! | ||
| Post# 304722 , Reply# 44 11/4/2014 at 21:04 (3,459 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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You don't shop at Wards? that's ANOTHER thing we can change!
Say, here's your chance to try a bagged vacuum, AND shop at Wards! Tell 'em Super-Sweeper sent 'ya! CLICK HERE TO GO TO super-sweeper's LINK | ||
| Post# 304742 , Reply# 46 11/5/2014 at 01:13 (3,459 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 304743 , Reply# 47 11/5/2014 at 02:03 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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As far as filter washing is concerned. What about Dyson Cinetic? Not only no filters to buy no filters to WASH either? Wow how amazing is that? :) Dyson i take my hat off to you :)))) | ||
| Post# 304751 , Reply# 49 11/5/2014 at 03:50 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Wow how amazing is that? :) | ||
| Post# 304754 , Reply# 51 11/5/2014 at 04:02 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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But on 99% of bagged cleaners you will have to change the filters. | ||
| Post# 304756 , Reply# 52 11/5/2014 at 04:37 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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But it is not a deep cleaner
What has that got to do with filter maintenance? It's still a vacuum cleaner and one that's far better than a lot of other straight suction cylinders available. And it has virtually no filter maintenace, which is the point I was making - I wasn't commenting on the performance of either machine, just the lack of filter-washing required to maintain the machine.
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| Post# 304757 , Reply# 53 11/5/2014 at 04:42 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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on 99% of bagged cleaners you will have to change the filter
My mother hasn't changed a filter on a vacuum in..well..ever. In the 17 years we had our Panasonic in daily use, it never once had a filter change. The bag went in the bin and that was it. When I got my hands on that cleaner in 2007 when it was finally replaced, the filters weren't all that dirty either, although I did replace them at that point.
Even with all those years without replacing the filter, the performance of the cleaner never dropped to a level that it didn't pick up. Our house was always clean and we vacuumed a lot, having 4 cats. Filter maintenace on a vacuum really only became a more well known and regular maintenance task when Dyson hit the market and bagless vacuums became more popular. And infact, at the time Dyson launched in 93, dirty fan vacuums with absolutely no filter maintenance at all were still widely available. | ||
| Post# 304759 , Reply# 55 11/5/2014 at 05:16 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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That is a fact my friend.
Oh, I agree with you there. I'm meant to change the filters on my 2 Sebo's every 10 bags, but 10 bags last for years, per machine, so I change them annually. But you made the point of the Dyson Cinectic being "amazing" and, whilst it's a very clever design, I don't think it's all that amazing for a vacuum to have no filter maintenace. Many vacuums never did and there's still plenty of other vacuums on the market that don't, hence the example I gave you of the Kirby and the Henry.
As I've already said before, I much prefer for all the dust and dirt to be contained in a bag and to not come into contact with it. Whilst there may be bacteria in the bag, it's not escaping from the machine thanks to the S-Class filters and it's call containted within the bag, so I never come into contact with it. I'd also like to point out that until recently, you were an advid bagged fan. As you've admitted, it's only since buying this DC41mk2 that your opinion has changed, so I find your statements very hyprocritical. Based on your own logic, for all those years you were using a bagged vacuum, was your house dirty and smelly from all that rotting dust in the bag, then? | ||
| Post# 304760 , Reply# 56 11/5/2014 at 05:37 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha yes I am still a bagged fan. I'm just teasing. I do like to be able to empty the dust weekly. All I'm really interested is the best performance easiest to manoeuvre and best filtration I can find. I don't mind if that is a bagged cleaner or bagless. :-) | ||
| Post# 304762 , Reply# 57 11/5/2014 at 05:44 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The Riccar Brilliance is a machine I'd love to get my hands on. Tandem motors. Now that is a clever design and they use metal parts where needed. I'm really impressed by that machine. :-) | ||
| Post# 304764 , Reply# 58 11/5/2014 at 05:57 (3,459 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 304787 , Reply# 60 11/5/2014 at 09:44 (3,459 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Dont forget there are bags/filters treated with BactraStat to discourage germs from forming inside tge vacuum | ||
| Post# 304789 , Reply# 61 11/5/2014 at 09:56 (3,459 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes there are. Not sure how effective they are though as the bag fills | ||
| Post# 304790 , Reply# 62 11/5/2014 at 09:58 (3,459 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 304791 , Reply# 63 11/5/2014 at 10:14 (3,458 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh well that's better than none Sebo fan :-) | ||
| Post# 304849 , Reply# 64 11/5/2014 at 14:23 (3,458 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 304979 , Reply# 66 11/6/2014 at 00:04 (3,458 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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The Riccar Brilliance is a machine I'd love to get...... Well I can't fault mine- an amazing machine.......Bagged every time here.... Seamus CLICK HERE TO GO TO SeamusUK's LINK | ||
| Post# 304982 , Reply# 67 11/6/2014 at 01:21 (3,458 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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You have a Riccar Brilliance? Lucky you!!! Did you have to buy a huge Step up Transfomer cause of the Voltage difference? | ||
| Post# 304983 , Reply# 68 11/6/2014 at 01:35 (3,458 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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Voltage difference.... Hey Mark This is sorted with this...... Seamus
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| Post# 304985 , Reply# 69 11/6/2014 at 01:44 (3,458 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Could you tell what is the suction through the hose like? I'm told it is not the best? Is it a noisy machine and what is it like for edge cleaning? | ||
| Post# 304987 , Reply# 71 11/6/2014 at 02:24 (3,458 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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This vacuum is better than a modern bagless.... And I'm not kidding, either! It's called experience, and experience is a great teacher! But I guess you can lead a horse to water...Oh well, you know the rest.
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| Post# 304990 , Reply# 72 11/6/2014 at 03:25 (3,458 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I agree with you Parwaz I like the floorhead on that Eureka :-) | ||
| Post# 305007 , Reply# 73 11/6/2014 at 05:59 (3,458 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Parwaz - nice opinion but a bit too optimistic
Yes but people chuck out cheap upright bagless vacs if they can't source a belt for it locally. No different to turfed bagged vacs if they can't find bags for it. That's their fault at the time for not being able to research the product thoroughly and what consumables they might need.
After all you don't buy a table lamp and just rely on the special golf ball bulb it comes with at the time of purchase. You'll usually find buyers will have bought a spare bulb - same with vacuum bags and other consumables. As for the lack of "dust cloud," from an Argos vac - that's all very well but what about the dust that clogs to the paper pleated filters or mesh filters? Same with just about any other bagless vac I can think of when dust gets stuck to the top of the shroud. Far more dangerous health wise than a "dusty compartment," in a bagged vacuum. Also Hoover's Purepower at £79-99 has pull seals on the bag when it is taken out. Henry's HEPA Air Flow bags also have a seal. Not much of a heartache there compared to having to dismantle a filter shroud or pushing your hand into the bagless bin to pull clogged dust out. | ||
| Post# 305044 , Reply# 75 11/6/2014 at 12:16 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305057 , Reply# 76 11/6/2014 at 14:47 (3,457 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Oh yh, it's those cardboard things which you pull?if I remember correctly | ||
| Post# 305067 , Reply# 77 11/6/2014 at 17:09 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes but the dust channel hole has a rubber membrane seal, so even when it is pulled off the bag channel, only a little a little dust comes out before the seal pull covers the hole. Bosch also have bags like this for their cylinder vacs
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| Post# 305108 , Reply# 78 11/7/2014 at 01:10 (3,457 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC) | ||
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I prefer BAGGED. ...and something to Consider..... Consider that most vacuum cleaners have been bagged from the beginning of thier invention. I'm sure there is a reason for this. I would say that bagged vacuums will continue to be the majority in the future. What do you think? | ||
| Post# 305132 , Reply# 79 11/7/2014 at 05:33 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well I wouldn't say that they were "bagged" from their invention in terms of using replaceable, disposable dust bags. My father's own Hoover Junior in the 1960s didn't come with a paper dust bag, but rather just used the outer bag for capturing the dust, thus constantly requiring it to be shaken out, creating lots of dust in the home and rather messy.
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| Post# 305146 , Reply# 80 11/7/2014 at 06:40 (3,457 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Nar, that's a really good point. The first Hoover with a paper bag was, I believe, the 1346 in the early 70's. The first Kirby with a disposable paper bag was the Tradition. Prior to this, they were all cloth shake out bags.
It always makes me laugh that disposable paper bags were put in vacuums to make disposal of the dirt easier and more hygenic, and then they were taken away again. Kind of a step back. | ||
| Post# 305148 , Reply# 81 11/7/2014 at 06:44 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I agree, but then I have often wondered that with the inner shake out material dust bags that allow air to pass through, why brands haven't offered a triple layer bag whereby a fleece coating is provided and a paper bag inside?
I am pretty sure I once saw something like that on a Numatic commercial tub once (the big ones on huge golf bag trolley wheels.). I guess it is the expense and probably nowadays given the high filtration layers that most bags now have that it would eliminate the need for an outer permanent fleece lining? Plus of course strain on the motor has to be taken into account I suppose plus restricted airflow etc | ||
| Post# 305165 , Reply# 82 11/7/2014 at 08:45 (3,457 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 305176 , Reply# 83 11/7/2014 at 09:10 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305187 , Reply# 85 11/7/2014 at 10:07 (3,457 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I agree with you Blakaeg | ||
| Post# 305190 , Reply# 86 11/7/2014 at 10:41 (3,456 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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The Hoover 1346 was late 1950s | ||
| Post# 305193 , Reply# 87 11/7/2014 at 10:51 (3,456 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 305369 , Reply# 89 11/8/2014 at 14:54 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I agree with Adam. This is what I have found. The seperation on the Dyson cyclones is fantastic. I don't think my filters will need washing for 6 months! | ||
| Post# 305377 , Reply# 90 11/8/2014 at 16:00 (3,455 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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The Riccar Radience is a superb tandem air bagged vacuum and there are no cyclones or filters to wash. Just remove and throw away the HEPA bag. It contains more dust and dirt than the Dyson ever could. This post was last edited 11/08/2014 at 16:30 | ||
| Post# 305395 , Reply# 91 11/8/2014 at 19:16 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305413 , Reply# 92 11/9/2014 at 01:40 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Nar if Sebo offered washable filters I think the majority of their customers would approve :-) | ||
| Post# 305414 , Reply# 93 11/9/2014 at 02:09 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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And you could also say buyers these days shouldn't have to purchase bags and filters. And don't forget Cinetic which all Dysons will probably become will require no washing of filters. | ||
| Post# 305423 , Reply# 94 11/9/2014 at 07:03 (3,455 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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Re Old Eureka pic.... Of course its better than anything new...ITS METAL!, and its 80 years old or so, I bet you wont find todays plastivacs running in 80 years! | ||
| Post# 305424 , Reply# 95 11/9/2014 at 07:13 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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You certainly won't. But I like to change my vacuums every 5 years. I'd find it very boring using the same machine for decades. Yawn yawn :-) | ||
| Post# 305425 , Reply# 96 11/9/2014 at 07:48 (3,455 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I'd find it very boring using the same machine for decad
Marcus, you are a conundrum. One minute you're talking about what the customer wants and then in the same debate you're switching to you personally getting bored with machines. It almost reads like you're being argumentative for the sake of it.
We, as collectors/enthusiasts do not represent what the customer wants. We are far more fussy in that regard and I'd imagine that more customers would agree with Kenkart and want something that will last for years to avoid the inconvenience and expense of having to buy a new one every few years. | ||
| Post# 305428 , Reply# 98 11/9/2014 at 08:34 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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If buyers didn't have to purchase bags and filters for vacuums, they'd still have to buy drive belts if they have an upright.
And you would be scunnered with your allergies if there is no filter to contain any dust escaping! Of course one might be lucky to own a cylinder vac but you'd still have to wash the filter - the dust that escapes the main chamber has to go somewhere other than out in the room. Not all Dyson uprights let alone cheap uprights have lifetime drive belts, after all and Im sure it will take an age for the "Dyson Cinetic" to appear on ALL of Dyson's vacs. As for SEBO washing filters - that will never happen. The brand (and Miele) offer replacement filters to purge the vacuum's main exhaust and therefore refresh the vacuum. The only washable item SEBO sell is a shake out permanent dust bag for their commercial uprights and not many owners have them because they prefer disposable dust bags. | ||
| Post# 305429 , Reply# 99 11/9/2014 at 08:36 (3,455 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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No, I'm not disputing your opinion. Read what I said. I'm pointing out that we do not accurately represent the vacuum buying public, so you can't legitimately say "customers would want this" and then say "I like to do this" in the same debate, because you're not an "average customer". You know more and care more about your vacuum than most.
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| Post# 305431 , Reply# 100 11/9/2014 at 08:41 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Ok i shall take note Chris. :) | ||
| Post# 305497 , Reply# 101 11/9/2014 at 17:06 (3,454 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 305575 , Reply# 102 11/10/2014 at 03:36 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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From someone who is trying to sell bagged machines.Not quite an impartial view. I'd say they both have advantages and disadvantages. | ||
| Post# 305577 , Reply# 103 11/10/2014 at 03:58 (3,454 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305579 , Reply# 104 11/10/2014 at 04:02 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I don't understand your point Olive oil? :-) | ||
| Post# 305580 , Reply# 105 11/10/2014 at 04:20 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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As I said there are advantages and disadvantages to both bagged and bagless. Some will prefer bagged and that's fine some will prefer bagless that's fine too. Some like both. Whatever works best for you. :-))) | ||
| Post# 305581 , Reply# 106 11/10/2014 at 04:56 (3,454 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305582 , Reply# 107 11/10/2014 at 05:02 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes and your point is? | ||
| Post# 305583 , Reply# 108 11/10/2014 at 05:39 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Call me stupid but I can't quite grasp your point? :-) | ||
| Post# 305584 , Reply# 109 11/10/2014 at 06:01 (3,454 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I think Oli is getting at dustbags being a step forward in terms of ease of use and hygiene. Then with the arrival of bagless vacuums, a step backwards and return to "dust clouds", similar to the effect of taking a carpet outside and sweeping/beating it.
Am I right, Oli? Correct me if I'm wrong Incidentally, with regards to your "Not quite an impartial view" comment, he may not be completely impartial but he didn't say anything that wasn't true. | ||
| Post# 305585 , Reply# 110 11/10/2014 at 06:07 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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OK we are comparing the dust cloud created when beating a carpet or dusting a floor with a broom to emptying the Dyson bin? Hahahaha shakes head :-) | ||
| Post# 305586 , Reply# 111 11/10/2014 at 06:17 (3,454 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Hahahaha shakes head | ||
| Post# 305587 , Reply# 112 11/10/2014 at 06:21 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha if you like. And I will move on from your ridiculous comparisons of emptying the Dyson bin. I should upload a video of my method of emptying the bin proving once and for all that I do not come into contact with the dust. It doesn't affect me one bit. :-))) | ||
| Post# 305588 , Reply# 113 11/10/2014 at 06:23 (3,454 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305589 , Reply# 114 11/10/2014 at 06:27 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes but agreeing with his view. Anyway I was being balanced in my view saying that there are advantages for both bagged and bagless. You prefer bagged and that's fine. We shall agree to disagree about bagless :-p | ||
| Post# 305590 , Reply# 115 11/10/2014 at 06:39 (3,454 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Yes but agreeing with his view.
Who the heck said I was agreeing with this view?
Are you having your own conversation in your head? Read what I said!! I elaborated on, what I thought was, the point was that Oli was making. I then made a further comment in response to yours regarding the video that sptyks posted. Nowhere did I say that I agreed or disagreed with Oli's point. Good god, I get more sense out of the kitchen wall! Starting to think that Shirley Valentine had the right idea! | ||
| Post# 305591 , Reply# 116 11/10/2014 at 06:42 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Sometimes feel like banging my head against a kitchen wall! Hahaha | ||
| Post# 305593 , Reply# 117 11/10/2014 at 07:20 (3,454 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305599 , Reply# 119 11/10/2014 at 08:37 (3,454 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Finally ! Getting somewhere.
I think I prefer bags all in all, although having a couple of bagless vacuums in the house is good, knowing that I have another option ahah ! Is there a third way? Water filtration? Is that a clean and sanitary way of getting rid of dirt? I know that when dust hit water, it has no where to go obviously, but what about any bacteria that grows in the water? I am not up on Rainbows and water filter vacuums so someone fill me in. I hear the vacuums themselves are apparently very good. | ||
| Post# 305600 , Reply# 120 11/10/2014 at 08:49 (3,454 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 305601 , Reply# 121 11/10/2014 at 08:49 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Hmmm no comment on Water filtration i don't want to open another can of worms! Haha! :-) | ||
| Post# 305602 , Reply# 122 11/10/2014 at 09:43 (3,454 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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My Dad had a Neptune Waterfilter vacuum in the late 90's/early 2000's. Bought around 1998. It was a great vac. Very strong suction and the air really was clean - you could smell the difference on the exhaust air.
The only problem with it was that it was damn messy. You had to empty the water tank (which was full of black water) down the toilet and wash the filters and water tank everytime you used it. My Dad thankfully kept hold of his Turbopower 2 and used that as a quick pick up vac, then used the Neptune weekly. I think the whole thing got scrapped after my Dad left dirty water in it for a week when he couldn't be bothered to empty it. But for all it's faults, I can't complain about the filteration or performance of that machine. Ours was the same as the one pictured, only it was sea-green, not blue. 
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| Post# 305604 , Reply# 123 11/10/2014 at 09:57 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Actually, water filtration isn't so new in the UK, not just with Chris' dad's Neptune vac.
In theory any wet and dry vac can be used for cleaning up dry suction dust. I tried it once with my old Vax 3 in 1 machine. I just took out the dust bag out, put the recovery bucket in as if I was going to wash the carpets and instead of faffing about with the pump and whatever, set the Vax up into dry mode and added a little water into the base of the machine. I spent a lot of time cleaning out the recovery bucket though afterwards. It can be done with Vax and other tubs but it is messy. | ||
| Post# 305605 , Reply# 124 11/10/2014 at 09:57 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes that is the problem. My apologies to you Chris for earlier. | ||
| Post# 305609 , Reply# 125 11/10/2014 at 10:14 (3,453 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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It was really messy!
Inside the water tank there was this square plastic filter thing that sat inside, with a long tube underneath that went under the water level and then it had green, foam filter wrapped around the top of it. The filter used to get covered with gunk and hair. IIRC, the machine came with 2 filters so that one was always clean, but it did mean a lot of maintenance was required. From what I've seen of Rainbow vacuums, those just need the water tipping out and not much messy filter cleaning. | ||
| Post# 305611 , Reply# 126 11/10/2014 at 10:50 (3,453 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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If I could have any cylinder cleaner from the US I think I'd choose the Aerus Lux Platinum.:-) | ||
| Post# 305612 , Reply# 127 11/10/2014 at 10:57 (3,453 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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^I'll second that!! I'd really love to try out the Aerus Lux machines. It would certainly be an interesting comparison between the "proper" Electrolux's (for lack of a better term) and the Aerus made machines. I really love the styling of some of the older models and some of the attachments like the air-powered polisher are really nifty little gizmo's.
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| Post# 305613 , Reply# 128 11/10/2014 at 11:09 (3,453 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Seen a few videos of it on YouTube. Looks to have very strong suction/airflow. Very quiet too. Excellent filtration build quality it looks gorgeous. I can't fault it really. Maybe a non crushable hose. | ||
| Post# 305801 , Reply# 129 11/11/2014 at 14:17 (3,452 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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A very good passage by SEBO themselves on their website, explaining why they think bags are better than bagless. They draw a comparison of kitchen bins and why everyone uses bin liners.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO oliveoiltinfoil's LINK | ||
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Post# 305803 , Reply# 130 11/11/2014 at 14:26 (3,452 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I, of course, have both.
Matt, i appreciate the way you phrased this thread...very mature and responsible.
I NEVER bash, never plan to. I have HOOVER bagless, just because you MUST have a few if you collect. Personally, give me BAGGED ANYDAY. I used to clean our church with a HOOVER Guardsman. It's a huge cathedral type. It takes 2 hours to vacuum that church. I would fill an "A" bag every time. Afterwards, I'd simply remove the bag, insert a new, fresh one for the next ime. i never had problems changing bags, EVEN the "C" bags. Just my preference. Thanks. John. | ||
| Post# 305806 , Reply# 131 11/11/2014 at 14:34 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 305813 , Reply# 132 11/11/2014 at 14:52 (3,452 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 305814 , Reply# 133 11/11/2014 at 14:52 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305815 , Reply# 134 11/11/2014 at 14:55 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I think we have exhausted this subject now. Some prefer bagged some prefer bagless. Whatever works best for you. Can we pllllllleeeeeeese move in to another subject. It's getting sooooooooper boring. Haha | ||
| Post# 305818 , Reply# 135 11/11/2014 at 15:10 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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No we can't...because...
Skip to the top and look at the original creation that Matt added.
He worked out subjectively the amount of usage per two vacuums, one bagless and one bagged vacuum. He then realised that the bagged vac is a concept he is better off having despite paying out for consumables. I have always stood by and will remain to stand preferring bagged vacuums. I've also said it time and time again - until hospitals use bagless vacs, I remain unconvinced that they eliminate less time. They eliminate the bag, Yes, but they don't eliminate extra maintenance to keep the bagless vacs going. We should allow this thread to stay open. | ||
| Post# 305820 , Reply# 136 11/11/2014 at 15:13 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I don't see what else there is to say. All the points have been made. Some prefer bagged some prefer bagless. Get over it!!!!! | ||
| Post# 305821 , Reply# 137 11/11/2014 at 15:22 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Im not over anything. You forget I have bagless vacuums. I like both.
However some other members must realise that by antagonising other responses other members have put here, they're not going to get away with it. Besides it is not up to YOU or Me to declare whether this topic is closed or not. The interesting aspect in all of this, is that there is ONE other vacuum that I can think about that may well deter the generalisation of a bagless vacuum. I have referred to it in a few other posts and Im going to say it here: The Hoover Vortex "cellophane" dust bag concept. They were more or less, clear dust bags that were designed to line the bagless bin to capture the dust and make disposal easy. But the Vortex also had a filter that had to be cleaned. | ||
| Post# 305822 , Reply# 138 11/11/2014 at 15:28 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes that would be a good compromise. Like a cross between the 2. Why don't we design one Nar and go into business together :-) | ||
| Post# 305827 , Reply# 139 11/11/2014 at 15:45 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305828 , Reply# 140 11/11/2014 at 15:57 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes I guess if you were going to do that you might aswell get a bagged machine. | ||
| Post# 305830 , Reply# 141 11/11/2014 at 16:17 (3,452 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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It's getting sooooooooper boring | ||
| Post# 305837 , Reply# 142 11/11/2014 at 17:07 (3,452 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Pardon me, but now who's on a high-horse? | ||
| Post# 305838 , Reply# 143 11/11/2014 at 17:11 (3,452 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 305890 , Reply# 144 11/12/2014 at 00:30 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yeeeeee haaaaaa :) | ||
| Post# 305892 , Reply# 145 11/12/2014 at 00:56 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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But thanks Chris I shall take your advice :-) | ||
| Post# 305897 , Reply# 146 11/12/2014 at 03:10 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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This is for you Christopher :-)
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| Post# 305900 , Reply# 147 11/12/2014 at 05:38 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305908 , Reply# 148 11/12/2014 at 08:02 (3,452 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Sorry, but if you find it "sooooooooper boring", the logical solution would just be to not read it. It's not up to any of us when the conversation will end, as long as people are still interested in it, it will continue. It's not just about you, there's plenty of other members reading this thread.
This is, after all, a forum. The thread has a pretty clear title. If you're finding it boring, don't click into it. Read something else. Nobody is forcing you to continue to click into the thread and read all the posts. 
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| Post# 305909 , Reply# 149 11/12/2014 at 08:07 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha think you need to take a chill pill Chris before you burst a blood vessel. Mmmmmmmwwwwah
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| Post# 305910 , Reply# 150 11/12/2014 at 08:09 (3,452 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305911 , Reply# 151 11/12/2014 at 08:12 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I would but i'm not a contortionist hahahaha | ||
| Post# 305914 , Reply# 152 11/12/2014 at 08:45 (3,452 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Do you get the feeling Chris doesn't like me? :-))) | ||
| Post# 305916 , Reply# 153 11/12/2014 at 09:00 (3,452 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305918 , Reply# 154 11/12/2014 at 09:19 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305927 , Reply# 155 11/12/2014 at 11:13 (3,451 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Oh, Nar, don't even go there! P!ssed off doesn't even come close. I've never known anything so damn stubborn in my entire life. We've reached the point now where we're going to have to take her for an injection daily for 2 weeks since she absolutely refuses to swallow tablets or take the liquid meds - we've both got the war wounds to prove it, although husband got it worse than I did standing directly in the firing line lol!
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| Post# 305929 , Reply# 156 11/12/2014 at 11:33 (3,451 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 306036 , Reply# 157 11/13/2014 at 12:05 (3,450 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 306038 , Reply# 158 11/13/2014 at 12:10 (3,450 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Hahahaha I quite agree :-) | ||
| Post# 306242 , Reply# 159 11/15/2014 at 14:22 (3,448 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 306243 , Reply# 160 11/15/2014 at 14:30 (3,448 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 306244 , Reply# 161 11/15/2014 at 14:31 (3,448 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Kenny Rogers isn't it? | ||
| Post# 306245 , Reply# 162 11/15/2014 at 14:38 (3,448 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Everyone considered him the coward of the county :-) | ||
| Post# 306248 , Reply# 163 11/15/2014 at 15:04 (3,448 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 306271 , Reply# 164 11/15/2014 at 19:41 (3,448 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 306278 , Reply# 166 11/15/2014 at 20:41 (3,448 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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Mark, if you found everyone using a Kirby, there would be a thousand pros and a negative con- minus one, of course!
Oh, one finale thought: Kirby not only makes the world cleaner but Hap...Hap...Happier!
Truly, we would all enter into an Age of universal peace and tranquility, such as the world has never known before!
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| Post# 306398 , Reply# 168 11/16/2014 at 20:18 (3,447 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Well, personally, I have both bagged & bagless vacuums in my household. And I prefer both. Reason being is the main problem I have always had with bagged vacuums is even the ones that use HEPA bags seem to lose power quickly. Only exceptions being my 2 Miele canisters using the AirClean bags, & Kirby & Royal metal uprights using the HEPA Cloth bags. All the multi-cyclonic vacuums I have ever owned or used, they solved the problem of losing power quickly. However, if I had to choose, I would choose a bagged vacuum if I could only own 1 vacuum. Why?? Because bagless vacuums are so darn messy!! I have yet to see a bagless vacuum that doesn't get hair or muck trapped around the cyclonic shroud inside the bin. Plus, you have the mesh filter that needs washing occasionally & will eventually get clogged anyways & make it lose power. Plus, some vacuums, like my new Electrolux UltraCaptic, actually state in the owners manual it is suggested the mesh filter be replaced once every 2 years, so have you really saved anything if you have to pay to replace the filter? NO! Until they can TRULY make a mess-free multi-cyclonic vacuum AND make it so both the mesh filter & HEPA filter last the lifetime of the vacuum, I'll prefer bag vacuums over bagless vacuums if I ultimately had to choose.
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| Post# 306413 , Reply# 170 11/16/2014 at 21:40 (3,447 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 307496 , Reply# 172 11/28/2014 at 15:09 (3,435 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
I have to say ......after using my Shark rotator for a while now, there's NO dust that collects on the outside of the unit, like it did with my Fantom Fury I had a long time ago. Emptying them is the same ROYAL PITA that I remembered! I've found something for me that works great. I use my rainbow to dust the house after using my Rotator to do the carpets, then I suck the rotator bin, along with the foam filter clean with my rainbow. No dust flying...If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't have bought the shark rotator because the attachments are a complete joke, but it works GREAT for vacuuming carpets which I have wall to wall berber and it's light weight and easy to grab to do quick run through.....but I wouldn't want it as an only vacuum.
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| Post# 307507 , Reply# 173 11/28/2014 at 16:27 (3,435 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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No dust collects on the outside of my new Hotpoint Trolley cylinder bagless vac and it comes with 2 HEPA filters. However! When it comes to filter cleaning the foam filter collects a lot of loose dirt that requires to be cleaned off before the main motor HEPA filter. I would have much less to do if the Hotpoint I bought was a bagged vacuum.
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| Post# 307511 , Reply# 174 11/28/2014 at 18:07 (3,435 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 307512 , Reply# 175 11/28/2014 at 18:10 (3,435 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 308120 , Reply# 176 12/6/2014 at 17:32 (3,427 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Sebo_fan, when did you purchase your Hotpoint Vacuum? With regards to Hotpoint cleaners. I tend to use mine bagged as opposed to bagless, it's much cleaner & dust does not go everywhere when you try to empty the container. | ||
| Post# 308169 , Reply# 177 12/7/2014 at 09:41 (3,427 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ages ago - the review has already been put online.
In general I don't tend to use this bagless vac much - it was £60 which to me is a major bargain. But I wanted to try any one of those models after Hotpoint sent me a heads up about it 2 years ago after I did that Ciao Hotpoint washing machine video test. I think in time I may source the bagged conversion kit but even if I can't get one for it, it is no big issue. The vacuum is great for the cost price - only thing I intensely dislike are the floor heads to tubes with no locks. Very Bosch - same fittings, which means an upgrade to a better feeling floor head is possible as are the usage of certain Miele suction tools like their bendy long crevice to cleaning around corners and/or usage of their car clean set as well, larger dusting brush and really, any of their friction fit only cleaning tools. | ||
| Post# 308259 , Reply# 178 12/8/2014 at 14:17 (3,425 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I got mine for £71 if I recall which is a good price. I find it quite good quality but the bags are quite hard to source. I'll look out for the review. | ||
| Post# 308348 , Reply# 179 12/9/2014 at 13:20 (3,424 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 308374 , Reply# 180 12/9/2014 at 16:39 (3,424 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Rated. I agree with most of the points stated in your review, however I do prefer mine bagged. It saves cleaning the container & filter every time. | ||
| Post# 308380 , Reply# 181 12/9/2014 at 17:41 (3,424 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 308390 , Reply# 182 12/9/2014 at 19:34 (3,424 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
I definitely prefer bagged vacuums to bagless. Once I suck up dirt and hair and other crud from a dirty surface, I never want to see it again. I could not imagine having to remove clinging hair from the inside of a plastic vacuum bin. And if you don't have a garage or backyard where you can dump the dirt in a garbage bag, you are faced with dust clouds inside you home.
Besides bagless Dustbusters and stick vacs, the only reason I could fathom for owning a bagless vacuum would be the smell caused by pet hair. Though I don't own a cat or dog, I hear that accumulated pet hair in a vacuum bag can create a very smelly bagged vacuum in the closet. | ||
| Post# 308395 , Reply# 183 12/9/2014 at 20:07 (3,424 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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In my experience, both bagged and bagless vacs get smelly with pet hair. The filter on board can only do so much - the reality of the pet hair is that the oils and associated gunk gets stuck to the coiled hoses of most vacuums, plus the floor heads, plus any cleaning tool that may be used in addition to the main usage of the machine. Also the main suction channel from the floor plate/brush bar on route to the bag.
So many owners fail to recognise that. | ||
| Post# 308399 , Reply# 184 12/9/2014 at 20:23 (3,424 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Interesting about the oils in pet hair. I guess the benefit of using bagless vacs would be the ability to wash the dirt bin and related cyclone modules. But you are still left with smelly tools and air ducts.
I wonder if special "pet odour bags" would help reduce the smell in bagged vacs. There must be some material that could be designed to handle the sticky oily pet hair better than conventional bags...Miele? Sebo? Are you reading this? | ||
| Post# 308414 , Reply# 185 12/10/2014 at 05:13 (3,424 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 308463 , Reply# 186 12/10/2014 at 17:27 (3,423 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Thank you Nar.....very enlightening to hear your experience dealing with pet hair. I guess a real, innovative "Pet Hair Animal Cat and Dog" vacuum would have revolutionary ducting, tubes and tools treated with some surface treatment that would minimize the absorption of pet odours.
Maybe pet hairs should only be removed by a wet-dry Shop Vac that can be washed? :-) | ||
| Post# 308470 , Reply# 187 12/10/2014 at 19:55 (3,423 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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It would be good to have a vacuum that has a built in, removable inner layer of suction air flow plastic that owners can take out to clean and then install back in. Same could be applied to the hose, but I doubt brands will ever be able to do that, never mind offer it.
Maybe a wet and dry is the answer but the floor heads would still have to be washed through for any "sticking" pet hair. | ||
| Post# 333471 , Reply# 188 9/7/2015 at 22:46 (3,152 days old) by blknblu (CT) | ||
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digging up an old thread, but the bag vs bagless debate goes on Came across this, read some of the stuff in this article, to me it is amusing. I'll keep using my bagged, while my Shark sits in a closet.
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| Post# 333489 , Reply# 189 9/8/2015 at 10:28 (3,152 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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“Not only do the bagless models have more power, but they will also save you quite a few trips to the store and the closet…”
Well maybe that holds true in the U.S, but these days in Europe and UK with the new EU law limiting vacuum cleaner power, I can't say that I would change over automatically to bagless with newer lower energy efficient motors. In my experience, some of the new models with claimed lower motors are rubbish compared to the stronger, longer bands of power from old. It isn’t the actual lower motors that are fault though but the brands who have made design adjustments to the soleplate for increased suction that often doesn’t consider the owner who has to push a much heavier upright across a carpet. As for saving oneself “a few trips to the store,” well, that hasn’t actually been proved. I doubt bagless vacs save many people going to the store given the amount I see on a weekly basis dumped at recycling sites. They’re not saving anything for a family who buy a cheap bagless vac, only to dump it a few weeks/months later given on the cheap cost prices of some models as well as parts that are far too difficult to clean out, in order to last longer. | ||
| Post# 333503 , Reply# 191 9/8/2015 at 14:27 (3,151 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 333508 , Reply# 192 9/8/2015 at 15:41 (3,151 days old) by vacuumlover (UK) | ||
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Bagged all the way for me 😊 | ||
| Post# 333510 , Reply# 193 9/8/2015 at 15:50 (3,151 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I like bagless - or rather, something without a bag but it depends on the kind of concept or format - after all I've always had one or two cordless hand held dust busters kicking around such as Black & Decker dust busters. I've owned bagged hand helds like the fab vintage Dirt Devil handy vacs, but for quick pick up on dirt, it's a cordless dust buster all the way. So handy for having quite literally to hand.
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Post# 333514 , Reply# 194 9/8/2015 at 16:10 (3,151 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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my preference I definitely prefer bagged vacuums. It's much easier to just toss a bag than to have to clean out the dirt cup, and you end up having to deal with dirty filters in most cases as well. As far as the lower power motors that are now used in Europe, older vacuums from the 50's and 60's used lower power motors and cleaned very well. This may force manufacturers to design their vacuums better. | ||
| Post# 333517 , Reply# 195 9/8/2015 at 16:28 (3,151 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The reality is that very little is being redesigned by all brands. Only a few have changed fan impellers or motors to increase power but remain energy efficient; other brands aren't following suit - since the new EU law has come in, other brands have started to either fall off or reduce their ranges such as Panasonic who no longer sell floorcare in the UK and Morphy Richards, the once darling brand of budget built vacs are reducing their ranges. It's really not a good time to be in Europe or the UK where modern brands are concerned.
I've also heard Miele are ceasing their upright vacuums in the UK. | ||
| Post# 333530 , Reply# 196 9/8/2015 at 21:03 (3,151 days old) by Mike81 () | ||
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Talk about the difference in sound level :D | ||
| Post# 333532 , Reply# 197 9/8/2015 at 21:06 (3,151 days old) by Mike81 () | ||
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Suction | ||
| Post# 333536 , Reply# 198 9/8/2015 at 22:06 (3,151 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 333537 , Reply# 199 9/8/2015 at 22:08 (3,151 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Post# 333539 , Reply# 200 9/9/2015 at 00:55 (3,151 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Agree--this could go on forever!But bagged for me! | ||
| Post# 333579 , Reply# 201 9/9/2015 at 11:02 (3,151 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 333582 , Reply# 202 9/9/2015 at 11:29 (3,150 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Me too... | ||
| Post# 333588 , Reply# 203 9/9/2015 at 12:33 (3,150 days old) by vacuumlover (UK) | ||
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Well said Nar :) | ||
| Post# 335075 , Reply# 205 10/2/2015 at 14:17 (3,127 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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