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Post# 301653   10/13/2014 at 10:27 (1,043 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hey folks,

Does anyone have any idea what Kirby have been awarded as part of the EU energy labels? I presume they are affected by the new ratings as they're sold across Europe. Has the Sentria 2 been rated or do we think that the first cleaner to be given ratings will be the new Kirby?





Post# 301656 , Reply# 1   10/13/2014 at 11:02 (1,043 days old) by Matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Whatever they're rated you can bet it will be loads better than that Sebo rubbish you use to spead the dirt about on your carpets ;) lmao

Post# 301658 , Reply# 2   10/13/2014 at 11:28 (1,043 days old) by marcusprit (cardiff)        

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Sebo rubbish? I own a Sebo Felix it's an awesome machine.OK it won't have the same air flow as a direct air motor but it is far more user friendly than Kirby. I owed one once.I found it too big and bulky to manoeuvre around my home. It was also noisy, heavy a pain in the butt having to take the floor head off and attach the hose when you want to use the tools it also wasn't the best filtration. So you can keep your Kirby!

Post# 301659 , Reply# 3   10/13/2014 at 11:52 (1,043 days old) by Matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Firstly I was joking with Chris. Hence the winking face and the 'lmao'.

Secondly my Kirby is a new Sentria II so it is light to manoeuvre with the tech drive and the filtration is HEPA rated.

Everyone has their personal preference. I like my Kirby. I have also owned several new Sebo machines and I also hold them in high regard.

My previous comment was said purely as a joke, so please get down from your soap box


Post# 301660 , Reply# 4   10/13/2014 at 11:55 (1,043 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
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Hi Chris, I checked with Kirby a month or so before the new regs came in to effect.

The Sentria II hasn't been rated and the "New" machine will be the 1st to be rated.

 

We'll just have to wait too see what the new machine has been rated at.

 

Jamessmile

 


Post# 301661 , Reply# 5   10/13/2014 at 11:56 (1,043 days old) by marcusprit (cardiff)        

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Oh fair enough :-)

Post# 301663 , Reply# 6   10/13/2014 at 12:03 (1,043 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi James,

I thought the might be the case.

Whilst I've no doubt the Kirby will be A energy rated, it will be interesting to see what the other ratings look like and if those doing the testing note that the cleaner can be converted to cylinder mode (and other features, of course!)


Post# 301670 , Reply# 7   10/13/2014 at 13:26 (1,043 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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This new kirby sounds really interesting

Post# 301691 , Reply# 8   10/13/2014 at 16:27 (1,043 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        
I'm sorry to go WAYYYYYY off topic....

If used correctly then there is no reason the Kirby should not score 'A' in every category. Certainly in carpet performance without a shadow of a doubt.

I don't want to sound bias at all, but...
To use the DC41mk2 as an example - It has scored 'A' for everything. There is no way that you can tell me that a new Dyson is a better performer than a new Kirby. Yes the Dyson is far more user friendly when it comes to using the tools - nobody can argue that - so please don't think I'm trying to slander one particular brand.

As another user has said, they once owned a Kirby and found the filtration poor.
And you often see youtube videos of people compairing an old machine from brand X against a new machine from brand Z.

For example there are endless videos of users comparing Kirby Legend era machines against much newer Dyson machines ect ect. In some of these videos the NEW machine may come out better - but how worn was the brush in the Kirby? Was the belt old / stretched / genuine? Was the bag empty and a genuine part?

It's what really gets me when people say 'Oh I had one once and it was rubbish'.
Yes, it might of been rubbish by the time you had finished with it, but how old was it? How maintained was it? Fair enough if you owned it from new and it was rubbish from day one. NOTHING in life is going to perform as well as it did when it was new without propper care and TLC.

There is no doubt that a brand new 400 Dyson will perform very well. But treat it like a normal user - don't clean the brush and never clean the filter ect ect and then in two years time when performance is poor replace it with a 50 bagless machine - The 50 machine will perform so much better than the poorly maintained 400 Dyson and you'll go "wow, that Dyson really was cr@p!", when in reality the Dyson would be far superior if it had been maintained.

I think a lot of the comparisons we see need to be done using both machines NEW. It's no good comparing a sparkly new Dyson against a machine thats 15 years old with a million miles on the clock.

From PERSONAL EXPERIENCE my most recent machines, owned FROM NEW within the last year or so have included a Sebo X4 PET, DC39 Animal, DC41 Animal, DC25 All Floors, Miele S8 Cat & Dog, Sebo Felix PET, Numatic Henry (580w eco version and the older autosave version), Kirby Sentria 2, DC33 Multi Floor, AEG Ultra performer & AEG UltraOne AUO8870 with the electro brush. There's probably a few I've missed out. oh I also had a Miele S7 Cat & Dog from new too.

Now they're all premium machines with premium price tags - apart from maybe the Henry and Ultra performer. And can you guess what? In terms of dirt removal and filtration I would say they have all performed about the same. Thats using them in normal domestic circumstances and maintaining them correctly.

From the cylinder machines the two AEG's were without a doubt the best cylinders I have ever used in terms of dust removal. The Ultra performer was a bagless suction only machine but had incredible airflow and pulled out so much fine powdery dust. The Ultra One with the electro brush - WOW - this was amazing. Sadly it was let down by a cheap and nasty feeling hose. I wouldn't say there is a worst performer in the cylinder machines I have listed as I feel the others all picked up just as well as each other.

From the uprights the best machines I have found from what's listed in terms of dust removal have been the Sebo's (I preferred the Felix), Miele S7, DC41 and the Kirby Sentria 2. The worst performer I feel was the DC33 followed by the DC25.

While I feel the actual dirt removal capabilities of the machines was all well and good, the machines differed wildly when it come to build quality, ease of use, carpet grooming ect ect

I currently own the new version Henry and the Sentria2.
The Henry offers me something quick, robust, user friendly, basic, no frilly bits straight forward cleaning with cheap running costs in relation to bags.
The Kirby offers me what I have found to be the best in terms of dirt removal and carpet grooming - however you have to work for the results in terms of faffing about with the tools ect
I can't say there is a HUGE difference in the overall cleaning ability between the Kirby and Sebo machines I have owned. I'd like to think the Kirby performs just that little bit better given the much higher airflow around the brush, but I suppose we each have our own opinion.

And as far as the EU ratings go.... They're a load of Bollo......

The Henry scored 'A' for energy use - as it should do being only 580 watts.

'C' for carpet performance - okay, a bit dissapointing but it is straight suction after all.

'C' for hard floors - Really? Are you kidding me? And yet the upright Dyson scored an 'A'? Wellaye kidda pull the other one!

'C' for filtration - At this point I start smashing my face off a brick wall. The henry has HOSPITAL GRADE filtration. Used correctly with the Numatic Hepa Flow bags there should be 0 dust escape. I'd happily go to town vacuuming up asbestos with my Henry and I'd even inhale a nice gulp of the exhaust air afterwards. Fair enough I wouldn't want to change the bag. How the hell is it only a 'C'?!? Are they basing this on carbon dust emissions from the motor? Surely they must be? Because theres nothing escaping from the bag chamber on correctly used machines thats for sure!

So yes, it will be very interesting to see just what the Kirby is awarded under the new rating system.



Post# 301698 , Reply# 9   10/13/2014 at 17:03 (1,043 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Henry gets c on hard floor cause because they put cracks on the hard floor The Machine has to pick it The dust in the crack to get a good rating. I think Kirby get A for energy and A for carpet I don't think hardwood and omissions will not be that good. For Henry don't forget this is all done by professionals and people know what they're doing. As for Henry know someone has a Henry Everytime it's turned on always smells like dust they always change the bag and use genuine bags and it's only about-nine months-old.

Post# 301700 , Reply# 10   10/13/2014 at 17:20 (1,043 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
I agree the EU ratings are a nonsense

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Well, if anyone stopped by to see the Hoover Idol stick vac thread and the machine I bought, Hoover have gone and slapped an "A" for hard floor cleaning. A pain in the A** more like! It has a rubber squeegee roll that doesn't move with the air from the vacuum cleaner but moves freely, presumably designed to roll across a floor. Then there is a static dual channel of squeegee strips at the back where the main suction channel is.

Now if you have ever tried pushing a rubber broom across a hard floor, it doesn't always glide - it is positively difficult to do with Hoover's roller and fixed design. Yet Hoover have rated it's hard floor performance as "A" with this hard floor tool. It fails to pick up properly the first time around and yes there is a video being made of it, to show up Hoover's poor design.

Meanwhile Numatic's John and Lewis models should do better at carpet performance - both are equipped with Airobrush turbo floor heads as well as their suction only floor heads.


Post# 301703 , Reply# 11   10/13/2014 at 17:30 (1,043 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I don't think I can even be bothered to argue with that hugely flawed statement.

Firstly, have you used one of the NEW Henry machines? That floor tool could pull the plaster from the walls. I really can't see how it is only scoring a 'C' on hard flooring when upright machines are scoring an 'A'. In fact you can't even move the new floor tool on hard flooring unless you pop the brushes down because without the brushes down creating a form of airflow release it welds itself to the floor with the superb suction.

It smells of dust does it? Maybe thats because it has a bag full of dust inside of it? Using genuine bags has nothing to do with the way the machine smells. My Henry is a month old and smells of dust. Chris (Turbo500)'s Sebo machine smells of dust. My Kirby smells of dust when the bag is starting to fill. ALL bagged machines smell of dust when they have a bag full of the stuff. You know what that tells me? That it's working. That the dust is in the machine and not on the floor.

"don't forget this is all done by professionals and people know what they're doing" LOL - where do I even start on that one? Really? Next you'll be saying everything that you read in the news is the truth!

And as far as the Kirbys ratings go. How would it not score well on hard floors and dust retention? Its a direct air machine with MASSIVE airflow for starters so I can't see a bit of dust down a crevice being an issue. HEPA filtation. I've filled 5 bags with my Kirby so far and there has been NO dust escape from them.

Again I can only stress that I don't want to sound bias. I'm not banging on saying 'this is best' because it's all I have or all I've ever known. I've tried most makes, most recent models, and this is what I've settled on. I'm not saying the Henry and Kirby filtration is BETTER than say, a Dyson, but what I AM saying is that they are certainly no worse and that the ratings should reflect this.


Post# 301704 , Reply# 12   10/13/2014 at 17:36 (1,043 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

SeboFan - believe it or not the Henry Xtra (with the airo brush) still only scores a 'C' on carpets!! Check it out on the Argos website.

God only knows who they have making up these ratings.

Maybe they have a sack full of rating stickers and just pick them out at random? Or maybe theres just a load of monkeys locked in a room with typewriters that only have A to G keys? Whatever key the monkey hits between throwing feces is the rating the machines recieve hahaha


Post# 301706 , Reply# 13   10/13/2014 at 17:37 (1,043 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, the other thing to remember Matt is that we don't know what indication the home is in for dust to start smelling out of the vacuum cleaner. It could be a number of things like a stinky hose, or perhaps the Tritex filter on board hasn't actually been washed.

Lets not forget that Average vacuum cleaner owner rarely cleans out their vacuum cleaner.

Unlike collectors!


Post# 301710 , Reply# 14   10/13/2014 at 17:43 (1,043 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Actually I have had one the new ones and I thought it was fantastic for the price but the only thing I didn't like was it was a bit clumsy.i Used to think if then machine smells It was coming out dirty silly me:). As I forgot you can turn the busbar off on the Kirby what we made my scratch the floor as it's all metal. What is the new one it looks good I might get one.:)

Post# 301713 , Reply# 15   10/13/2014 at 17:54 (1,043 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Ohhhh Sebo_fan. Shame on you! The filter in my Henry has a little tag on saying 'DO NOT WASH' lol

To be honest I don't care for my machines as much as you'd think.
On Henry's I have owned I change the bag. Thats as far as internal care goes. The filter never really gets dirty due to the HEPA bags, but if it was soiled I'd just give it a shake or vacuum it with another machine.

I think I've owned my Kirby for about 9 months? Certainly getting close to a year now. Today I sat and gave it a bit of a polish and changed the belt for the first time I also checked the brush roll bearings were clean. Nothing special in my eyes. I'll do the same in another 9 months or so. I'll look after this machine given I paid 1000 for it, but I certainly don't treat it like royalty. Other than changing the bag, belt and polishing the metal as and when needed it won't be getting any special treatment. I won't be pulling it to bits and washing bits of it willy nilly thats for sure! Having said all that I'd cry if I scratched it or damaged it in any way. It gets used, not abused. I know there are some people out there who will polish bag chambers and polish the external housing after every use - honestly, I coundn't be @rsed with all that fuss LOL


Post# 301723 , Reply# 16   10/13/2014 at 18:54 (1,043 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, you see - you'd cry if you damaged it. I can't imagine anyone who owns a Kirby and who isn't a collector would cry over a dent or a scratch. When you consider the price and durability of them, they're probably as longer lasting as a Volvo - i.e you can bash it and bash it and bash it and still, it looks like nothing has ever happened to it.



Post# 301727 , Reply# 17   10/13/2014 at 19:03 (1,043 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Oh lol, could you imagine how the Kirby would rate in the 1970s, imagine how the Handi-Butler would rate! tongue-out


Post# 301728 , Reply# 18   10/13/2014 at 19:06 (1,043 days old) by Marks_here (Crossville TN & Altoona PA WOO HOO )        

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That resembles my Volvo 😁

Post# 301733 , Reply# 19   10/13/2014 at 19:27 (1,043 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

LOL Sebo_fan I fuss over all my stuff just as much don't worry. It's not just the Kirby that I'd be devastated if it got damaged. I'm still gutted that I knocked my iPod off the docking station and put a tiny little dint in the side of it - and that happened MONTHS ago lol I'm one of these people who will worry over anything. I like to look after my stuff and I'm one of these people who goes through life with the opinion if you want it doing properly then do it yourself. I hated it when my Mini had to go back to the dealer for a minor warranty repair (bluetooth fault) and I spent ages going over the car afterwards making sure everything was perfect. Guess I just appreciate stuff a bit more than 'normal' folk. I know what you mean about Kirbys and Volvo's being able to take a bashing though... My Volvo was built like a tank. No doubt I could bash the Kirby about with no ill effects, but its just not in my nature. Not only do you risk spoiling the machine, more importantly you risk spoiling furniture and decor.

Post# 301735 , Reply# 20   10/13/2014 at 19:33 (1,043 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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LOL I look out for my stuff like I get paid to, especially new stuff, like my Heritage II, or things like my 8-Track player and my vacuums! laughing


Post# 302054 , Reply# 21   10/16/2014 at 15:26 (1,040 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I still genuinely think it is incredible for people to assume the dc41 mk2 will be not as good as a Kirby when they have not used one at all. I "assume" Kirbys are good vacuums but will not say they are better or worse for sure than my dyson or sebo because I haven't used one.

Everyone who has used the dc41 mk2 has said nothing but praise for the cleaner, especially its performance. I have posted video demonstrating as best I can its agitation and suction at the head. It bouncing around rice so much that it lands on top of the head, and sucking to the carpet so much it is lifting up heavy 1 inch piled wall to wall carpets a good couple of inches form the ground.

It surprising how gullible some people are, especially when this is supposed to be a vacuum enthusiast forum.


Post# 302063 , Reply# 22   10/16/2014 at 16:15 (1,040 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I feel your pain Oli. It was like the time someone on here went on and on about SEBO uprights not agitating. Until videos were made to show it, people continued to rant on and on. Evidence has to be continually rammed home on here until people get the message, and even then some are still not convinced until they feel the darn machine in their hands and they can see the results themselves.

The Dyson may well be able to deliver on what you suggest, what you have shown and what others have since found with new purchases. Clearly people are going to learn, even when watching your videos.

As for Volvo, Matt - I'm a big fan of the Swedish brand.


Post# 302070 , Reply# 23   10/16/2014 at 16:45 (1,040 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Oli - Please don't think I'm intending to disrespect the Dyson machine because I am not, however I may of come across in my rantings posted above.

I do think that it is a simple fact a dirty air machine with no hoses or airways between the fan and the floor is going to generate more airflow. Be it a Kirby or a Hoover Junior.

I had purely chosen the DC41 to use as a comparison as it was the first AAAA rated machine that came to mind - I also tried to stress that I was not meaning to slander the DC41... just to use it as an example.

I really do hope that I haven't come across as being as narrow minded as some users on here :s


Post# 302081 , Reply# 24   10/16/2014 at 19:10 (1,040 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Oli, I for one cannot comment on the DC41's performance, but I can certainly comment on Kirby. I have yet to find a vacuum that the Kirby cannot out perform, even I am shocked when my Classic III pulls a giant and unexpected smutz pile from my seemingly clean carpets! should i come across a DC41 in my travels, i will give it a fair review against Kirby, or any brand for that matter, but I cannot see the value in giving in to that high price (Frankly I don't think it's worth it for what you get, these Dysons have to cost under $100 to build in Malaysia, just because everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon for modern doesn't mean i shall too. I still live in the era of Tail-Fins and 8-Tracks! tongue-out). Based off other's opinions, I can say that the DC65 and DC41 are the best in class for bagless, in my own opinion they are not worth the price. if you pick one up for cheap off the internet or the Sears catalog, that's a different story! trust me, if Dyson wasn't crazy on prices, I would've been jumping on the bandwagon long ago! tongue-out


Post# 302141 , Reply# 25   10/17/2014 at 10:29 (1,039 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Same with Kirby

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Im about to put scans on showing a very early British report from Which. It shows that the KIRBY excelled pick up tests. However, it also warns UK buyers that most testers found the model to be heavy, cumbersome and difficult to work with.

They also slate it for being quite expensive - more expensive infact than the "Kleeneze Rotork Cyclon," that was listed at 250.

Now of course, so many moons later even though the Dyson may be expensive in the UK, it isn't half as expensive as a brand new Kirby upright in the UK. I can only imagine what it is like in the U.S with Dyson unless I go and research prices. All things considered, even if the Dyson is expensive to buy, it isn't half as heavy as the Kirby = some things that I know, collectors and owners are happy to put up with, but some buyers aren't.


Post# 302164 , Reply# 26   10/17/2014 at 14:56 (1,039 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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The Kirby may be heavy, but with "Tech Drive" Power Assist, you can move it back and forth with just your little pinky finger.Tech Drive removes 90% of the effort needed to push and pull the Kirby.

 

Most reviewers of the Kirby are quick to mention the Kirby's weight, but they fail to mention the advantages of the Tech Drive.

 


Post# 302198 , Reply# 27   10/17/2014 at 17:57 (1,039 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Self-Propelled still doesn't help with the Kirby's bulk, unfortunately!  surprised


Post# 302244 , Reply# 28   10/18/2014 at 02:43 (1,039 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Weighty vacuums-don't forget the Royal Powercast,and the Hoover "Z"And of course a Rainbow with the machine assembled and the water bin full.You don't push the Rainbow of course-but like the Kirby or others you may have to pick it up while using it.The Powercast and Z don't have powered drive.So pushing them gives you a workout.One of the reasons why these FAILED in the marketplace.As far as the "heavies" go-the Kirby and Rainbow are still with us.

Post# 361369 , Reply# 29   10/22/2016 at 16:38 (303 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Does anybody have any update on this? I'm wondering how brands like Kirby and Vorwerk have managed to escape the EU ratings labels. Not that the labels are worth the paper they're printed on.

Post# 361378 , Reply# 30   10/22/2016 at 23:37 (303 days old) by Spiraclean (UK)        

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Chris, see link below for Vorwerk VK150 and VK200 energy labels. Can't find anything anywhere for Kirby though.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Spiraclean's LINK


Post# 361820 , Reply# 31   11/1/2016 at 22:21 (293 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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It is probably because they are sold door to door or through dealers and not sold in retail shops.

Post# 361828 , Reply# 32   11/2/2016 at 07:08 (292 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
You kow what they say;

"Cleveland rocks!" That's where Kirby's are made, Vita-Mix, and where Healthmor is, the Filter Queen parent company. Also where the Rock and Roll hall of fame is.
No longer the mistake on the lake, it's remake on the lake or the north coast.
It is also where the TTI floor care distribution headquarters is, todays Hoover, Dirt Devil, and Oreck.
Has BBC or Granada, etc. TV ever aired the Drew Carey show?
"We're goin' bowling, moon over Parma tonight! He grew up there, and Patricia Heaton is from Brook Park, just east of Lakewood.


Post# 361862 , Reply# 33   11/2/2016 at 15:59 (292 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
probably because they are sold door to door

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So are Vorwerk but they've not escaped the rating system.

Post# 361881 , Reply# 34   11/2/2016 at 21:31 (292 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Aww, I am not sure then, maybe because they are made in America? And an American company?

Post# 361902 , Reply# 35   11/3/2016 at 07:45 (291 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        
Could be why Alex!

The TTI products are all form China now.
Perhaps the motors used in Kirby's can be fitted with a simpler speed limiter because they are very durable and will not fail when their windings are running warmer when connected to a resistance rheostat. Slower speed, less current draw, while the large fan still makes plenty of power to clean.
Not sure on that, just an educated guess.
I've toyed with motors a bit. I replaced a 3 pole motor once with a 5 pole armature in one of my ho scale model locomotives, and it runs faster with less current draw. Same voltage, same amperage.
Once a motor is spinning, providing the bearings are vey free moving, the current cycling of AC current also has coasting properties. For each push of current pulse, there is also a coast between pulses.
Anyhow, back in Cleveland last night, the Chicago Cubs won their first baseball world series since 1908! The Cleveland Indians also have a strong team. The game went over the 8 innings when it was tied.
Amazing! Wrigley field in Chicago didn't even have lights for night games 30 years ago either.


Post# 362025 , Reply# 36   11/5/2016 at 15:28 (289 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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certain cleaners are exempt from the regulations - multifunctional machines like George, carpet washers and commercial vacs are all not affected. Maybe Kirby found a loop hole in that?

Post# 362030 , Reply# 37   11/5/2016 at 16:22 (289 days old) by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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Well, I think Kirby would be considered a multifunctional machine since it can be converted into multiple modes.

 

 


Post# 362047 , Reply# 38   11/5/2016 at 20:10 (289 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Chris...

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Yes you are probably correct there, the Kirby is a multifuction vac.

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Post# 371995 , Reply# 40   5/10/2017 at 11:15 by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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The F rating for dust emissions is the carbon dust escaping similar to the Sebo X series.
88 dB yes it's quite noisy but a C rating for performance on carpet? That is ridiculous! The Kirby has fantastic airflow and deep cleans carpets. I would have thought if any cleaner would get an A rating it would be a Kirby


Post# 372074 , Reply# 41   5/12/2017 at 11:28 by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Depends on the carpet. We've got the same carpet running throughout the house but the Kirby's don't like it. It's a tight woven, hard wearing pile and not much airflow can pass through it, so dirty fan vacs don't do too well in our house.

Another problem with the testing and ratings - it's impossible to rate for every house and every floortype.


Post# 372077 , Reply# 42   5/12/2017 at 14:15 by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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This confuses me. How does the dirt get into the bag if it's by airflow? Is it with a magic wand?

Post# 372078 , Reply# 43   5/12/2017 at 14:18 by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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If it's not by airflow.

Post# 372096 , Reply# 44   5/12/2017 at 22:01 by Tseg (World Traveller)        

Yikes. Glad I don't own a Kirby with those ratings. :)

Post# 372126 , Reply# 45   5/13/2017 at 13:09 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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It is obvious that the EU testers do not know how to properly test a Kirby G series machine.

 

In the US Kirby earns a GOLD rating in every category from CRI (Carpet and Rug Institute). Carbon emissions from motor brushes are not included in the test as carbon is considered to be harmless in these minute amounts.

 

The Kirby Sentria II and Avalir have earned recognition world wide as being unbeatable in deep cleaning tests.

 

 


Post# 372128 , Reply# 46   5/13/2017 at 13:21 by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Carbon emissions are included in the test. How do you differentiate between household dust particles and carbon dust particles? The vacuum cleaner is placed in a sealed unit, any particles that are exhausted will be measured. That is why it gets an F rating. The Sebo X series which has a very good S Class pre motor filter also gets an F rating because of the carbon dust escaping from the motor.

The Kirby bags do filter well though especially the allergen plus bags.

I disagree with the C rating on carpet.





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