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Post# 299504   9/23/2014 at 20:22 (3,495 days old) by kenkart ()        

I know some of you will think im crazy, but I have TERRIBLE luck with Convertibles!! I know some of you can rebuild one with your eyes closed...but I always mess up something, same for a Dial a Matic...I have been trying to get a brushroll working in my Dial a Matic for a year or 2..disaster!!!!..I can take any canister apart blindfolded, but uprights in general drive me nuts!!!..the easiest motor to rebuild to me ,is a Constellation or Electrolux....the hardest..again, a Hoover upright, that bearing causes many curse words!!!!..LOLI would just once like to have a good working Convertible...I lke them..they just dont like me....the easiest upright to work on is a Royal....


Post# 299508 , Reply# 1   9/23/2014 at 20:30 (3,495 days old) by kenkart ()        
Oh yeah..

The canister I will do ANYTHING to avoid tearing down is a Rainbow!! Thats enough to make a preacher cuss!!! I like them, and have several, but if they need anything, I let Clay Floyd fix it, he can tear one down and rebuild it in the time it takes me to get the spider off!...he has a trick I never saw until I met him, he runs the whole thing thru the dishwasher...field coils armature and all!!!! when its thru, it all looks like new!


Post# 299509 , Reply# 2   9/23/2014 at 20:31 (3,495 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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I haven't had a dam open before, the concepts are pretty easy, brush rolls can be tricky as I revamped my concept one the bearings were filthy took them out, cleaned them in a jar of mineral spirits over night, dried them then oiled them (not dw40 but sewing machine oil) & it now works splendidly! Now royals I haven't I did one but there was that red square thingy that attached to the wires on the motor, forgot to put it back...BOOM so from that point on I stay away from them. I have a Hoover Slimline & Portable that are working good & thanks to Fred on here gave me support on how to open them up. Electrolux I did one once but wired it wrong & it spun in the wrong direction. Haven't tried any new ones because they are all disposable so why put forth the effort.

Post# 299549 , Reply# 3   9/24/2014 at 11:36 (3,495 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I hate working on Rainbows. That being said, the fact that I worked on them for more than 25 years, and could rebuild one with my eyes closed, doesn't make them easier. Every Rainbow service man needs a blow torch and a sledge hammer to get them apart.

By far the worst vacuum to rebuild ever, is the Filter Queen model 200. There's more damn screws in that thing. Unnecessarily complex and over engineered.

As far as modern cleaners go, the Die Soon DC28 is the worst. Cleans well and is a fascinating machine, but hell to work on. So is the first "ball" model - DC15. Horrible.


Post# 299565 , Reply# 4   9/24/2014 at 13:04 (3,495 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
I don't have tons of experience with vintage repairs but

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Hoover Dimension 1000 canisters are a lot of parts to remove to access motor area. They are time consuming for cleaning.

Two of my friends got stuck working on a Dial A Matic once and I had to figure it out. It was tricky- they gave me all of the screws and everything from scratch to figure out. It was funny!!

This machine would be Contemporary Forum but since the question was asked:

Many newer market machines like bagless Eureka Altimas from around 10 years ago are awful to take apart just because of how filthy they are. Every part you remove is filthy, even areas like the headlight which is completely separate from motor housing and air ducts.


Post# 299566 , Reply# 5   9/24/2014 at 13:12 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I love old Hoover Juniors especially the "last classic" U1104 but its the U1104 that seems to get me into trouble. When getting into the faceplate, the pin that holds the combo release and power on button always slips out and gets lost. A gentle, slow and patient mind is often required with the old Hoovers.

Post# 299571 , Reply# 6   9/24/2014 at 14:02 (3,495 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I was discussing this with my two Technicians, Robert and Sam.

 

They don't really work on vintage machines that's my department, and it would be the Hoover Junior. Concept one for all its cir clips 

 

On Modern machines we all agreed any of the new Electrolux /AEG Ultra ones,Ultra active and Ultra performer's. Its impossible to open the machine without leaving some scaring on the body while trying to remove clipped in covers or cord/switch buttons.

 

However our most hated modern machine would be the AEG/Electrolux twin clean. Too many sensors circuit boards and little air tubes that can be easily pinched in re assembly and rendering the machine useless. Great machine but oh when one comes into our workshop I run the other way 


Post# 299614 , Reply# 7   9/24/2014 at 19:25 (3,494 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        
I would rather have a root canal......

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Than to tear into a Rainbow! Most vacuums don't bother me to tear into, especially the Electrolux tanks, but a blasted Rainbow sends me into fits! I use one to clean with but absolutely detest the idea of ever having to do anything other than basic maintenance on it!

Post# 299638 , Reply# 8   9/24/2014 at 22:19 (3,494 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I hate working on Dysons! You can't take the cyclone apart, and that's all I clean when I get one in for refurbishment! I don't even WANT to know what it takes to get into a ball model! yellsurprised

 

That being said, Fantoms are far easier to completely break-down for service. Convertibles, too,but I rarely encounter a Convertible that needs anything besides a good cleaning! I wonder why! laughing


Post# 299640 , Reply# 9   9/24/2014 at 22:21 (3,494 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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I don't know 🚀

Post# 299654 , Reply# 10   9/24/2014 at 22:39 (3,494 days old) by kenkart ()        
LOL!!

The next Convertible I get I will send it to you to fix!!!


Post# 299777 , Reply# 11   9/25/2014 at 20:20 (3,493 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        
Alex

Believe me, you do not want to know what it takes to get into a ball model Dyson. They are a pain in the you know what. Dyson's are the one vacuum I hate to work on. Way to complicated to get to certain components. 


Post# 299783 , Reply# 12   9/25/2014 at 20:37 (3,493 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I've encountered one before, thankfully I had to resemble it, not tear it down! smile


Post# 299815 , Reply# 13   9/26/2014 at 03:07 (3,493 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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I can't exactly remember the best way to dissemble a Dyson, is it with an ax or a hammer?


Post# 299820 , Reply# 14   9/26/2014 at 05:41 (3,493 days old) by kenkart ()        
.........!

How about a sledge hammer!


Post# 299821 , Reply# 15   9/26/2014 at 05:45 (3,493 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Hateful vacuums-to me that could include ANY present day bagless machines-Yes,Esp Dysons.Speaking of overengineered and too many parts-Dyson would win that award!!Yes,agree on the ball ones-worked with one at the vac place--HORRIBLE-that thing makes you want to tear out hair!!Its no wonder many Dysons end up in dumpsters.Too hard to work on.

Post# 299825 , Reply# 16   9/26/2014 at 08:27 (3,493 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I once acquired a Hoover Dial-a-Matic that was in good shape, but all the foam insulation in it was rotten.  I just about lost my Jesus getting that thing back together! 

 

Rainbows can be a real challenge too if they haven't been maintained, especially with the D3 and D2 models.  If they've been properly maintained, they're fairly straightforward. 


Post# 299826 , Reply# 17   9/26/2014 at 09:11 (3,493 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I think it has a lot to do with how often you work in them, although SOME  ( especially water filtration machines have a tendency  to rust shut) 

 

I can tear down and rebuild a dyson dc25  in 15 min. Actually 14.5min. Total strip down and re assembly. I had a bet with my two techs who could do it faster. I won. (We were using power drivers though)

 

I worked on a assembly line when I was 16 at Electrolux in my Holidays. you learn how to work fast but properly.

 

When I first got into vacuum repair I worked at a company called Lanzon services in Wynberg in Cape Town. It is a older suburb and many of the residence still used Hoover Convertibles ( 652 here ) and Seniors ( closed hood 652 ) The most common fault was dry or worn bearings. We would do an overhaul incuding brush roll bearings and brush strips, carbon brushes , New bottom bearing and clean and re oil the sleeve bearing + a general scrub down and clean. I never timed myself but I could do 8 - 10 after lunch till home time ( 12 -4.45 pm ) Having the right tools and space made all the difference. I also never worked on just one but had as many as needed repair on seperate stations at the same time.  


Post# 299842 , Reply# 18   9/26/2014 at 14:06 (3,493 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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You think that something! I can dissemble a plastic vac in 0.4 seconds, but I must confess, there never seems to be enough parts to put it back together again - after that buck and ball tears through it!  

 

I'm just jinking you, I always try to pass a " STEAMER " on to someone else, anyway!tongue-out

 

 


Post# 299871 , Reply# 19   9/26/2014 at 19:32 (3,492 days old) by sries (Tacoma WA)        
I'd have to say...

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Hoover dial a matics and kirbys. I have one dial a matic, took it apart and had to take it to a vacuum shop to get it back together. I've never been able to get a Kirby back together.

Post# 299881 , Reply# 20   9/26/2014 at 21:56 (3,492 days old) by sbakerde (Millsboro, DE )        
For me it's

A dyson dc28 or a Bissell pro heat 2x for the most hated. Most dysons are a pain, though iv gotten rather good with the 7, 14, and 17. Rainbows don't bother me too much anymore, but the d2 and d3 I still try to avoid. Give me a sanitaire or electrolux tank any day! Kirby's aren't that bad. And orecks I can do with my eyes closed.

Post# 299890 , Reply# 21   9/27/2014 at 02:06 (3,492 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        
sries

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WOW, that's the first time I've ever heard of someone not finding the ware withal in putting a Kirby back together again. Congratulations, that's quite a FEAT!  


Post# 299987 , Reply# 22   9/28/2014 at 03:06 (3,491 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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It's funny you mention the 7,14 & 17 models, I've worked on and owned all of those! The 14 had to be the easiest, the cyclone assembly came apart by screws, not by welding! Fantom was easier, the cyclone was one easy-to-clean piece! Orecks (ESPECIALLY the XL1, XL2 and the 9100 series) I can do blindfolded AND with one hand! I love them! laughing


Post# 300108 , Reply# 23   9/29/2014 at 13:36 (3,490 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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dyson ball vacuums

Post# 300386 , Reply# 24   10/2/2014 at 08:47 (3,487 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

Of the many I've worked on the Dyson plasti-junk-vacs take the cake. I hate unscrewing things because I'm afraid the screwhole will either crack or will strip when I gently put the screw back in! Plus the plastic is so flimsy, it makes lining things up correctly a pain in the rear. If any of my friends ask me to look at them, I'll LOOK at it, but I won't invest time in it otherwise they'd be getting one heck of a repair bill.

On the other hand, I love working on Kirby's especially the older ones without TechDrive. So simple and straightforward! :)


Post# 300457 , Reply# 25   10/2/2014 at 23:54 (3,486 days old) by vacuumssuck213 ()        
as strange as it may be

I have the worst luck with Kirbys luckly I havint "needed" to take one apart I always end up striping a screw or mess up a clip or something I've taking apart my eureka and convertable no problems but the Kirby's hate me

Post# 300467 , Reply# 26   10/3/2014 at 03:06 (3,486 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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I'd rather dig a bullet out of my own arm than to work on a cheap explosive plastic vac! Check this out and you'll see what I mean! Liam Neeson and Pierce Brosnan, two great Irish actors in Seraphim falls...one fantastic movie, a cinema delight! Well anyhow, this is exactly how I feel when I see a wretched plastic vac, and you know what they all say, " A picture tells a thousand words."  Now it is time to enjoy my pain, so pop some popcorn and have a respite at my expense, and oh yeah...enjoy!    



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Post# 300516 , Reply# 27   10/3/2014 at 16:21 (3,486 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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What do you find in your arm more often, Calem, bullets or explosive plastic vacuum bits? laughing


Post# 300519 , Reply# 28   10/3/2014 at 16:34 (3,486 days old) by LillyLux (Oklahoma City)        

I cannot abide any of the "bagless" vacuums and post millenial vauums as a whole are not worth the effort I think. I love working on most vintage vacs but I dread dealing with an impeller fan that is frozen. Then I need one of you more experienced to drill out the bearing plate for me!

Post# 300528 , Reply# 29   10/3/2014 at 17:46 (3,486 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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I have replaced the fan in all 3 of my Kirbys with no problems. D50, G3, and Sentria.


Post# 300615 , Reply# 30   10/4/2014 at 16:31 (3,485 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Alex, I only caught shrapnel once, I'm just so glad that it did not come from a cheap explosive plastic vac! I'm sure I would've gotten the green rot and that would've been all she wrote! I'd be sighing off for another broadcast day and they wouldn't be singing " Oh, say can you see " but they would playing Taps as a dirge for my requiem...softly, sadly. 




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Post# 300656 , Reply# 31   10/5/2014 at 09:32 (3,484 days old) by vacuumman206 ()        

The only time I ever had problems taking vacuums apart was when I would neglect to inspect for hidden screws and would swear more in 5 minutes than most people do in their life as to why the cleaner wouldn't come apart. My fault of course for not being more patient and looking more carefully.
Nobody has mentioned Fantoms as vacuums sometimes questioned as not being worth putting back together. I came close a couple times with those.


Post# 300728 , Reply# 32   10/5/2014 at 17:59 (3,484 days old) by BikerRay (Middle Earth)        

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Dyson and Shark are the two I hate working on.

Post# 300762 , Reply# 33   10/5/2014 at 22:46 (3,483 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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You don't need an engineering degree to work on a Fantom! I find them fun to rebuild at times! laughing


Post# 300812 , Reply# 34   10/6/2014 at 09:51 (3,483 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I think if you know what you are doing no vacuum will be hard to work on, Just frustrating.
I hate working on big commercial wet& dry vacuums and scrubbers that have been used in the floor stripping and sealing industry. The chemicals they use ( especially in the Concrete and tile resurfacing industry) can be very corrosive They rust bolts and screws shut. a Simple 20 min job now takes 90 min because of having to cut out bolts that are not easy to access. Its not hard its just time consuming and in my workshop that means money consuming.
Carpet washers are also machines I dislike working on because people leave the water in them its goes moldy , They often smell and are normally full of fatty deposits they lift off carpets. Not hard but YUCK



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