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Post# 299421   9/23/2014 at 00:56 (3,496 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut)        

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Has anyone seen changes made to Consumer Reports?
They have a whole new format to the magazine which is pretty sucky.

Small font everywhere yet they don't utilize the whole page. Every page has unused empty space at the top.

Anyway, they only list 13 bagged uprights (with only Kenmore, Miele, Hover, Eureka, Kriby, Sebo) making the list.

Only five Bagless uprights (Hover, Eureka, Dyson, Shark).

Six bag canisters (Kenmore, Panasonic yes two brands make the six tested)

Three bagless (Kenmore, Panasonic, Hoover).

It's like they didn't even try or feel like testing anyting else but Kenmore.

I think Consumer Reports has finally hit an all time low and how can they be taken seriouly with so few tested brands.


Post# 299426 , Reply# 1   9/23/2014 at 03:05 (3,496 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Glad I don't subscribe anymore.

Post# 299432 , Reply# 2   9/23/2014 at 08:35 (3,496 days old) by sbakerde (Millsboro, DE )        
I never did

Have much faith in consumer reports. I have always felt their testing of vacuums was somewhat unrealistic. To me testing a vacuum in a warehouse with staged dirt is nothing like cleaning a really dirty house. I would be more appt to trust a review from a cleaning lady who uses the vacuum in different houses with different sets of challenges. But that's just my opinion.

Post# 299465 , Reply# 3   9/23/2014 at 14:04 (3,496 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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My friends always called the magazine "Communist Reports". How ironic that they've almost always been WRONG since the first issue in December 1936. In December, 1936, the LOWEST RATED cleaner was the Hoover 150. The highest rated cleaner was the General Electric AVF-3. In the "unacceptable" category was the Air-Way Sanitary System.

In June, 1939, the Rexair was the one rated "unacceptable" because Communist Reports thought people would get shocked from it. The Electrolux XXX was the highest rated cleaner, with Communist Reports saying it removed more dirt than motor driven brush uprights (which it isn't possible to do).

Only once, in 1970, did CR get it right. The Lux 1205 was the Number One cleaner, with the Lux model L the number two cleaner. Both were fitted with pistol grip electric hoses, and telescopic wands, as well as PN-1 power nozzles.


Post# 299507 , Reply# 4   9/23/2014 at 20:27 (3,495 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
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read all of the vacuums to me (knowing my affiliatiion). I'm underwhelmed. But, then, lots of reports and people, for that matter can do that. Glad I never relied on the report.

Post# 299513 , Reply# 5   9/23/2014 at 20:37 (3,495 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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Just because it's bad on CR doesn't mean it gonna be bad for you. I read all personal reviews by people who actually use them, not some made up demo on tv where you can hear the hoses being blocked by something so what they're selling of course does a better job.

Post# 299516 , Reply# 6   9/23/2014 at 20:59 (3,495 days old) by sbakerde (Millsboro, DE )        
A few years ago

CR rated the eureka boss (RR style bag) very highly. So of course droves of people went out and bought one. Iv heard an encyclopedia of complaints on that machine. Everything from too heavy, too bulky, belts don't last more than a month, useless on hard floors, hard to push, and it goes on and on. Needless to say these people bought this vacuum because a magazine told them to. And they all found out what a disappointment it was.

"Communist Reports". HAHAHa. I love it!


Post# 299583 , Reply# 7   9/24/2014 at 15:34 (3,495 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
I didn't renew my subscription for this magazine.

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I don't regret it one bit. How can the ratings change for a vacuum, if it's the SAME test, and the SAME vacuum? (The newest Hoover Windtunnel Self Propelled) I seriously question the validity of their reports.

Post# 299587 , Reply# 8   9/24/2014 at 16:13 (3,494 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        
Still have the old Rainbow in online reviews.

The CR web site reviews quite a few vacuums. I'm still not sure what to think about the Rainbow review. They don't have the newest model reviewed yet. they give the price range as $889 to $2100 - which is considerably lower than the $2600 that I was quoted.

Under "lows" it says that "the power head is an optional accessory". My question remains - was it tested with a power nozzle or not?

Personally, I'm happy that the Rainbow gets a lousy rating - regardless of whether it's accurate. It made it a lot easier to get rid of the super annoying Rainbow salesperson.



Post# 299612 , Reply# 9   9/24/2014 at 19:20 (3,494 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        
Rainbow

I think it is high time they retest the Rainbow, they haven't tested one in so long and the improvements are substantial.

Post# 299657 , Reply# 10   9/24/2014 at 22:57 (3,494 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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The Eureka RR The Boss was and is a good vacuum! It's bulky, sure, but an EXCELLENT vacuum cleaner! laughing

 

Communist Reports...LOL I love it!!! tongue-out


Post# 299658 , Reply# 11   9/24/2014 at 22:59 (3,494 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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😈 me too, it all makes cents now 💰

Post# 299664 , Reply# 12   9/24/2014 at 23:10 (3,494 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Mark, did a Kirby fall off a shelf on you? Your replies just don't make any sense tonight! tongue-out


Post# 299722 , Reply# 13   9/25/2014 at 14:34 (3,494 days old) by raycarter (Taylor, Michigan)        

I remember reading in the 1986 report on vacuum cleaners , where there was a small retrospective piece regarding the 1936 report, being that it was Consumer Reports' 50th anniversary, that two Hoover models performed well in the 1936 tests. Does anyone know which two those were, or have a copy of the ratings? I'm frankly shocked to hear that the Hoover 150 was so low-rated.

Post# 299745 , Reply# 14   9/25/2014 at 16:49 (3,493 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)        
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I have 2 models that sold alongside the Hoover model 150 at different times, How did consumer reports rate the Hoover 25 and 26? I personally love both.


Post# 299757 , Reply# 15   9/25/2014 at 18:02 (3,493 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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I just received the November 2014 issue of Consumer Reports.

On page 19 is their latest Upright vacuum reviews.

 

The Kirby Sentria II was rated #9 down the list for bagged vacuums.

The Dyson DC65 Animal was rated # 3 on the bagless list.

 

On the Sidebar it states: Kirby #A9 at $1800.00

 

"If Price were no object,

Kirbys are made to be rebuilt, not replaced. The Kirby Sentria II is weighty-among the heavist tested-and somewhat noisy, but the self-propelled bagged upright moves to the top of our list of picks for it's Superb Cleaning ability." Now as a Sentria owner, I will have to totally agree on the Superb Cleaning ability.

FYI - The Kenmore Elite 31150 was #1 on the bagged list.

 

It also states:

"The Dyson DC65 Animal bagless upright #B3 was impressive for carpets and pet hair, and top notch for keeping what it sucks up."

FYI - the Hoover Windtunnel T-Series Rewind made #1 on the bagless list.

 

I have a question: After reading Oli's review of DC41 MK2, and not knowing much about Dyson vacuums is: What is the difference between Dyson DC65 and DC41 MK2? Are they similar or totally different?




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Post# 299767 , Reply# 16   9/25/2014 at 19:45 (3,493 days old) by filterqueenman (Park City UT)        
Do not know if it is true but...

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I heard Sears allows C.R. to use their facilities for testing and that is why you see Kenmore Appliances so highly rated.  Do not know if it is true or not - just saying that is what I heard.  


Post# 299836 , Reply# 17   9/26/2014 at 10:37 (3,493 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
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December, 1936. Communist Reports rated the GE upright AV-1 the top rated upright (costing $29). The Premier Duplex was rated number two. While the Hoover 150 as well as the Hoover 25 got great marks for cleaning ability, Communist Reports stated that they were both "extremely overpriced". The model 150 was dead last in the Acceptable list. They also rated REBUILT Electrolux model 12's (the American Edition with the 350 watt motor) as an excellent cleaner for deep cleaning and a great value. Rated two down from the rebuilt Electrolux, was the brand new Model 12 Electrolux (which as we know, with no rotating brush, cannot clean a carpet very well). The Air-Way Sanitary System (Twin Motor model no less), was rated "unacceptable" due to the fact it used sleeve bearings which require greasing. They claimed that sleeve bearing would make the motor life very short. As we know, Air-Way cleaners always run perfectly.

History very rarely proves Communist Reports correct.



Post# 299870 , Reply# 18   9/26/2014 at 19:10 (3,492 days old) by raycarter (Taylor, Michigan)        
Dysonman1

Thank you for clarifying that point. I figured it had to be the Hoover's prices that Consumer Reports had a problem with. The Kirby model G4 suffered similar judgment in the 1995 report, with the remark, "despite its solidity, the Kirby is simply too expensive to be recommended." Oh, please-have they never heard of installment plans?

Post# 299896 , Reply# 19   9/27/2014 at 03:52 (3,492 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Sleeve bearings---"Communist Reports" folks don't much about bearings--The bearings in large generators are SLEEVE---they are lubed with pumpted oil under pressure---and they last---50,60 yrs???And keep in mind those bearings are supporting a rotor that is weighing hundreds of tons and turning at 1800,3600 RPM!They also seal the hydrogen coolant gas inside the generator.Don't worry-the generator won't explode with a pure atmosphere of the hydrogen gas inside it-cools better than air,and quenches arcs better.Back to the bearings-if sleeve bearings are lubed properly---they will OUTLAST sealed ball bearings.And if you have dried sleeve bearings-like on a Hoover Convertable--just dampen them with oil and---they WORK AGAIN-same with other sleeve bearing motors.

Post# 299926 , Reply# 20   9/27/2014 at 14:13 (3,492 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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In the latest Comunist Reports Nov. 2014 CR states on page 19:

 

"If Price were no object,

Kirbys are made to be rebuilt, not replaced. The Kirby Sentria II is weighty-among the heavist tested-and somewhat noisy, but the self-propelled bagged upright moves to the top of our list of picks for it's Superb Cleaning ability."

 

As a Sentria owner, I will have to totally agree on the Superb Cleaning ability.


Post# 300096 , Reply# 21   9/29/2014 at 09:26 (3,490 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Any Eureka F & G uprights or Sanitaires been on CR? Which is better?

Post# 300104 , Reply# 22   9/29/2014 at 12:34 (3,490 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

Don't hold your breath on the latest Rainbow being reviewed positively man114... LOL! CR won't rank it any higher. No matter how many improvements they make. CR is focused on price. Their testing methods and results have always been bizarre. For 40 years they ranked the Kirby "below average" in rug cleaning... They used to get copious amounts of hate mail from Kirby owners... Poor Rainbow suffers from clogged HEPA filter when they test them due to the use of talcum powder as test dirt. It reduces their dirt removal ability. Lux machines used to shut off due to reduced suction for the same reason (clogged bag). Real dirt and household use is the best way.

Post# 300110 , Reply# 23   9/29/2014 at 14:05 (3,490 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Electromatik - I think Rainbow has shot themselves in the foot with a poorly designed power nozzle in the past. They put the belt right down the middle of the power nozzle and had a big dead space for cleaning. The latest model moved the brush to the side. I think the new Rainbow, once tested will see an improved score.

Objective testing requires the rigors of lab measurements. Certainly the tests have room for improvement (i.e. multiple carpet types, variations in dirt composition, etc).


Post# 300203 , Reply# 24   9/29/2014 at 22:50 (3,489 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

That might have something to do with the results, Ralph123. Consumer Reports' testing is still highly flawed. I don't believe they intentionally mislead anyone, but the methods they use are highly suspect. Also, they were not conducted in a valid scientific laboratory. Unless they have changed, their "lab" used to be plastic sheeting taped together and hung in the employee lounge... Hardly what anyone would call rigorous. Talcum powder is also CR's test dirt and is a very poor choice for testing vacuums. Talcum powder isn't part of normal household dirt and affects the machine negatively. If you have talcum powder in your carpet you've got a problem no one else has. LOL! The best testing is performed by the CRI. They use carpet swaths that are the same size and texture, environmentally controlled sealed rooms, and a computer controlled machine that drives the machines back and forth across the carpet at the exact same speed. The carpets are soiled by a machine and the results are measured by fluoroscope. In true scientific fashion, they perform the test 3 times and average the results. This is the most rigorous testing currently available. Rainbow performed very well in their tests.

Post# 300236 , Reply# 25   9/30/2014 at 11:22 (3,489 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I'm surprised to NOT see TriStar on CR; however, any TriStar with a Ametek/Lamb 2-stage motor will outclean any other vacs

 

How can a Hoover SideWinder (Twist N Vac) be rated so low & a Black & Decker Flex at the top?

 

When I perform the test, they are actually done at customer's house/workplace


Post# 300239 , Reply# 26   9/30/2014 at 12:04 (3,489 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Erik,

So how do you run your tests?


Post# 300248 , Reply# 27   9/30/2014 at 13:51 (3,489 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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If the Hoover Air Cordless was second from last in the ratings, what was the 'worst'? I own a Hoover Air Cordless, and while it is made to surface clean a carpet, it does pick up an awful lot of dirt. I agree that it could never get a dirty carpet clean, it will help keep a fairly clean carpet in tip top shape on a daily basis. But you still need a full sized, full power cleaner for once a week cleaning. In my opinion, an AwfulWreck has to be the worst cleaning vacuum on today's market.

Post# 300319 , Reply# 28   10/1/2014 at 14:31 (3,488 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        
Rainbow in CR and other expensive vacs

Electromatik,

Completely forgot that CR uses non wetable stuff like talcum powder in these tests. This is probably why when they tested the D4 in the past that it rated poorly for emissions (or the old 11 amp Fantom without a HEPA for that matter). I can tell you that if used properly the Rainbow's HEPA lasts a long time, because you are not vacuuming up things like talc on a regular basis. Depending on the design of the vacuum this would degrade the performance of plenty of vacuums. Most people don't regularly vacuum that type of dirt. If the argument is made that carpet fresh would do similarly you wouldn't need it anyway since you can use Rainbow's own scents. I do think the new powerhead is a great improvement however and would help carpet cleaning scores regardless.

The other thing is they down rate expensive vacs like Kirbys. I can't see the logic to it. Take a look at the 1980s ratings and pick models people are still using on a regular basis (outside of collectors) other than Kirbys, Rainbows, Electroluxes etc. So if you spent the money back then think of all the vacs you didn't have to purchase in the last 30 years. It makes no sense to me.


Post# 301359 , Reply# 29   10/10/2014 at 17:26 (3,478 days old) by Metaphor ()        

I was at my favorite vacuum shop today. The owner is a licensed Kirby repair shop and has quite a few of them around. Two are out on the sales floor for very reasonable prices. As I was waiting my turn to pay for what I bought I said to the owner "next time I'm in if you aren't too busy maybe you can show me why Kirbys are such great vacuums".

Before the owner could reply the lady in line in front of me paying told me "I own one and they aren't so great" In short she found hers miserable to use. The store owner shook his head in agreement as she spoke. I have never used one, but moving them out from their displays to examine them I can't get past their weight and general clumsy bulkiness, and from prior experience avoid soft bagged uprights, even if they have a paper bag inside. I have passed up thrift store Kirbys in the $10 - $20 range more than once.

To be brutally honest I think people who buy such expensive vacuums feel they have to defend spending so much money on a common household item. Btw, I see the same dysfunctional justifications of buying expensive automobiles. They aren't worth the price. Maybe C-R sees this and offends those who popped for the high priced spread. They are making recommendations for normal consumers with limited household budgets, not vacuum collectors.


Post# 301366 , Reply# 30   10/10/2014 at 17:54 (3,478 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Max I am a Kirby LOVER and

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EXPENSIVE German automobile enthusiast & owner of 3 expensive (in your mind) autos and own over 20 NIB Kirby's plus many more I personally use daily and take offence to your nasty uneducated remarks .
Please learn to respect fellow members as this is not a site to bash people and their vacuum and automobile purchases !!!

Dan


Post# 301382 , Reply# 31   10/10/2014 at 19:23 (3,478 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Things that make ya go hmmmmmm I wonder......

Post# 301426 , Reply# 32   10/11/2014 at 06:28 (3,478 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I own all of the Kirby "G" series vacuums and don't find them "clumsy" at all.Their Tech drive makes a diffrence.Suggest you TRY a Kirby before knocking it!And older 500 Kirbys are lighter in weight and easy to push and maneuver.Again TRY the machine!!!

Post# 301427 , Reply# 33   10/11/2014 at 06:49 (3,478 days old) by kenkart ()        
Re CR

Cr very rarely got it right, Comparing a Hoover 150 with a GE of the same vintage would be like comparing a Falcom with a Town Car!..they always rated a Kirby as a poor rug cleaner, and they said he Preco air driven power brush was wonderful!!LOL..They also said for many years, that a Rexair/Rainbow was a dangerous machine because of the shock hazard...it goes on and on....they did however say in the 50s that the Apex Strato Cleaner had the highest suction ever tested...that was a true statement...


Post# 301443 , Reply# 34   10/11/2014 at 11:03 (3,478 days old) by Metaphor ()        

The comment on sleeve bearings is comparing apples to oranges. Those big industrial sleeve bearings mentioned above have full flow lubrication going to them to cool, lube and keep the bearing material clean. A sleeve bearing in a vacuum motor lives in heat and dirt, heat and the lubricant is never changed and does not circulate When the lube is used up and breaks down, as any lubricant will, there is nothing left to support the shaft and wear accelerates. Sleeve bearings in a small universal motor like a vacuum uses is a cost cutting kludge rightly condemned by C-R.

I will also bet those big industrial sleeve bearings are only supporting a vertically oriented shaft. If the shaft is on it's side a sleeve bearing will be chewed down on the low side very quickly.


Post# 301444 , Reply# 35   10/11/2014 at 11:18 (3,478 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Wow Metaphor aka Desert tortoise

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Why the name change ?

Dan


Post# 301445 , Reply# 36   10/11/2014 at 11:20 (3,478 days old) by Metaphor ()        

My apologies to upset you Kirbyloverdan. Sincerely. I didn't mean to get you mad.

I have had expensive Euro cars and bikes too. Over time I have come to regard all of that kind of thing as over priced for what you get. BMW charges a five figure premium for an M car over what they charge for the standard version. Same thing with their bikes, the R1200 is two grand more dear than the R850 version of the same bike. They both have the same parts count and are assembled on the same line using the same labor and the same number of assembly steps. The only differences are bore size and the mapping of the ECM, neither of which has any affect on manufacturing cost. It is every bit as expensive (or cheap) a bike to build as the smaller displacement model but you are charged two grand more for the 1200. Why? Image. You have a "bigger", even if the actual dimensions of the two bikes are identical, that you can thump your chest about so you are willing to pay more for it. The extra power doesn't get you down the road faster (no, it really doesn't) but people willingly pop the extra two grand so they can brag about their bike. It's silly to me. Same with their M series cars. That M series car doesn't cost ten or twenty grand more to build than the more pedestrian model. Ditto AMG Mercedes. The material costs are not ten grand different. The number of assembly steps are about the same. The bodies are basically identical. Most of that cost premium is pure profit for BMW or Mercedes and not justified by costlier materials and/or more assembly steps. It took me decades of over paying for things to finally figure this out. No more. You get older and money starts to matter.

It is the same thing with any high end product. The seller sells "exclusivity" and uses this as a form of monopoly pricing. But don't kid yourself that these products are necessarily worth their high price. I maintain that often they are not. Sellers are out to make a buck. Just because it is expensive doesn't mean it's good. But we see how offended those who paid the price get when someone questions whether the resulting quality justifies the high price. There is an interesting psychology in this and the reactions of people when you question spending such large sums for household goods that have a certain image attached are something I am fascinated with. People get emotionally attached to something they spent a bunch of money on, justified or not. We have seen this right here.


Post# 301452 , Reply# 37   10/11/2014 at 12:24 (3,478 days old) by Metaphor ()        

Btw, I got bitten right here too believing the received wisdom of the senior posters when I was stalking this site earlier. My upright was a, uh, shall we say budget Hoover pushing two decades old. Based on what people were saying here I decided to pop for a high end German upright. It's a beautiful machine. Excellent materials and workmanship. Ought to last decades. Big suction and airflow. Everyone says such good things about it. The only problem is it bogs down in my home's deep pile carpet and shuts off. Querying the manufacturer they told me that deep carpet is a limitation for their vacuums with no remedy and no work around. So sorry. So all I can use it on is the indoor/outdoor carpet of the garage. Many hundreds of my hard earned wasted. The Hoover is nasty but has no problems with my home's deep carpet. The brand new high end euro vac gets condemned to garage duty and the decades old cheap Hoover plastivac soldiers on inside the home. So, yes, I have learned to question the efficacy of the claims made here and other websites regarding the supposed superiority of high end products. I finally went out and bought a modern canister, open box stock at a very low price (cuz the Eurovac cleaned my wallet even if it can't clean my carpet), for inside the home. It isn't ideal either but better than a tired old Hoover. At least I got value for money out of the Hoover.

Post# 301456 , Reply# 38   10/11/2014 at 13:02 (3,478 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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And yet, with all your experience, you didn't bother sticking with the previous Kenmore brand that your previous posts on here continually promoted?

Im glad you have returned - Im still waiting to see how easy it it to put a PN onto a canister vacuum. Im waiting for you to show me, with eagerness.



Post# 301458 , Reply# 39   10/11/2014 at 13:29 (3,478 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Surely you could've returned your "eurovac" for a refund/exchange and got something more appropriate for your carpets?


Post# 301494 , Reply# 40   10/11/2014 at 18:38 (3,477 days old) by Metaphor ()        

No refunds. So sorry. How it goes. Kenmore? I was using a Hoover. I wanted something better and I needed HEPA filtration for my allergy suffering fiancee. This upright and the Hoover are HEPA. I have some very old Kenmores in the collection but they aren't so good for cleaning and have about zero filtration. They are just collectables. My old Panasonics are better for cleaning and so much quieter but hard to find parts for and likewise lack filtration. Hoses are impossible (same for the Kenmores) so a modern vacuum has to do the daily cleaning chores. I have an MC-CG902 that is an excellent machine in most regards. Last of the old school vacuums you can still buy new, but you will never read about one here. About all it lacks is adjustable motor speed. For that you have to pop for an MC-CG937. Another C note needed elsewhere.

Post# 301536 , Reply# 41   10/12/2014 at 00:03 (3,477 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Metaphor/Turtle: So to what German brand and model are you referring?

Post# 301547 , Reply# 42   10/12/2014 at 11:32 (3,477 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yet again your ignorance does you no favours, Metaphor.

Courtesy of Google search, the following threads from Vacuumland dating 13th November 2013 clearly shows a member buying the Panasonic MC-CG902.

www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...

Other posts also show some interesting discussions

www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...

Simply by typing in the model number, brand and then vacuumland produces results, Metaphor. You should learn to use Google in this way for any archive posts by current members. The first post with the mere mention of the model number on here goes back to 2012...


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Post# 301615 , Reply# 43   10/12/2014 at 21:47 (3,476 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
Okay already

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We get it, sebo-fan, you always have to be right. As for you "waiting eagerly", leave Metaphor alone and drop it already! From what I'm hearing, the only ignorant one here is you. Knock it off. 


Post# 301625 , Reply# 44   10/13/2014 at 04:50 (3,476 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Commercial-industrial generator bearings-as I indicated-these are used with pumpted and filtered oil.They support a generator rotor that can weigh up to 400 tons and turning at 1800(4 pole generator) or 3600 RPM(2 pole generator)Some very large syncronous "condensor" motors used for power factor correction at large substations have these bearings,too.The motors don't power a physical load.they are in a gastight enclosure filled with hydrogen as the generators are.The bearing pump system is designed where the motor or generator can't be activated unless the pumps are on and generating proper oil flow and pressure.The pressurized oil would actually be supporting the shafts.The generators above are in coal or nuclear heated powerplants.One of mans largest and most powerful machines!

Post# 301643 , Reply# 45   10/13/2014 at 09:16 (3,476 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
It's not about being right, Jaker

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But then again, WHO ARE YOU to tell me what to do? I really don't care what "you have heard" and "what you have been told." Maybe you're young enough to worry about what people say about you.

For me, this site is mostly about being able to learn from others and to be able to pass that information on. That is why I chose to join this forum in 2012. I have learnt a lot about brands that we don't get in the UK and also being able to view and look at other vintage vacs. If you fail to see that, then you have a lot more to learn about vacuumland.

This isn't a place that you can necessarily shoot from the hip without much evidence, let alone not really check out other areas of the site. Due to changes to this site, I am still learning on aspects that I seldom use - but I read early on by Googling on how easy it was to find archive posts.

I have been a member of this forum longer than you, Jaker PLUS contributed greatly to this forum. I deeply resent your comment because you do NOT KNOW who you are dealing with.

Maybe you don't want to know - that is fine with me - but don't ever tell me to shut up when it isn't warranted.



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