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| Post# 296308 8/31/2014 at 21:10 (3,519 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
SEBO in Germany have updated their website to reflect the 1st of September 2014 cut off/new EU law for lower watts. The UK website hasn't been updated as yet and most of the brochures online haven't yet been updated to reflect the change of the motor watts or new motors.
The following models may not be available in all countries - certainly for example the K series in the UK is often limited in versions. The X4 and X5 series has 1100 watts down from 1300 watts The Felix range has a few different motors per spec: Felix 1/1 Premium has 1175 watts Felix 2 Premium has 1200 watts Felix 3 has 1300 watts Felix 4 Kombi has 1000 watts Most of the commercial uprights either have 1100/1175 watts or 1300 watts where applicable Dart commercial upright with "new" 1.2 model with 1175/1200 watts and "Eco" model with 875/900 watts. SEBO Professional D8 has a 700 watt motor, all other commercial version of the D series cylinders have 1200 watts. Domestic versions of D series are available with 700 watt/1200 watt - high end D4 models have 700 watts. SEBO K1 Nero - 1200 watt SEBO K1 Kombi - 1200 watt SEBO K1 Kombi 700 - 700 watt SEBO K1 Coach - 1200 watt SEBO K1 Eco 700 - 700 watt SEBO K1 Parquet - 1200 watt SEBO K1 Turbo - 1200 watt SEBO K3 Lava (replaces Vulcano) - 700 watt SEBO K3 Comfort - 1200 watt SEBO K3 Premium 700 - 700 watt There's probably others that I have missed, but that's to give you a fair idea. The Evolution 300 series etc seems to have been temporarily taken off the site. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK
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| Post# 296331 , Reply# 1 9/1/2014 at 05:12 (3,519 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296334 , Reply# 2 9/1/2014 at 05:27 (3,518 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Richard, depends if you think the extra £20-£30 is worth it for the additional extension hose and dusting brush. I bought the x1.1 because it was only £175 (although I think it's back up to £199 now) and I wouldn't use the extension hose, having a Dirt Devil Handy for the stairs.
It's worth getting the x4 if you're going to use the extra hose, but if not, go for the cheaper option. There is absolutely no difference in performance between the 2 models. Also, probably worth mentioning, the 1300w X4 and 1150w X1.1 are both still on sale. I haven't see the new 1100w X series cleaners on sale yet and they're not on the Sebo UK website yet. | ||
| Post# 296335 , Reply# 3 9/1/2014 at 05:58 (3,518 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296337 , Reply# 4 9/1/2014 at 06:07 (3,518 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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push it around the floor so I have to tilt the vacuum
All uprights do that. I've tried it with both the Sebo X series, Felix, Dyson clutch and ball models, Vax Mach Air and a Panasonic upright. I have to sweep the cat litter into a pile and then suck it up with the hose rather than trying to pick it up straight off the floor. You'd be better off with a cylinder for that.
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| Post# 296338 , Reply# 5 9/1/2014 at 06:08 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 296339 , Reply# 6 9/1/2014 at 06:10 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Automatic X4 "ratings"
Look further into SEBO.DE"s website and you can pick up energy ratings through the "Technical" spec of their new models. I am a bit shocked with their ratings for the X series:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK
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| Post# 296341 , Reply# 7 9/1/2014 at 06:16 (3,518 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296342 , Reply# 8 9/1/2014 at 06:17 (3,518 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296343 , Reply# 9 9/1/2014 at 06:19 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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We'll have to wait and see - after all, its only the 1st of September 2014.. the ratings of the X5 are slightly better but they also carry a similar phrase for hard floor cleaning.
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| Post# 296344 , Reply# 10 9/1/2014 at 06:21 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Here's the one for Miele's new 1500 watt S7.
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| Post# 296345 , Reply# 11 9/1/2014 at 06:23 (3,518 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296346 , Reply# 12 9/1/2014 at 06:32 (3,518 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296347 , Reply# 13 9/1/2014 at 06:38 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yep.. Its the same with a lot of of the energy labels that have appeared in the last couple of weeks. The ratings are a joke IMHO. Look at the one supplied with a Miele S6 "C3" - a model with a suction only floor head. Hard floor performance rated at C???
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| Post# 296349 , Reply# 14 9/1/2014 at 06:49 (3,518 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296352 , Reply# 15 9/1/2014 at 07:16 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 296364 , Reply# 16 9/1/2014 at 09:34 (3,518 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 296366 , Reply# 17 9/1/2014 at 09:42 (3,518 days old) by v6jme (Telford, Shropshire/Gdansk/Gdynia) | ||
29.08.2014
From September 5th to September 10th the IFA will take place in Berlin. Of course, SEBO Stein & Co will be there presenting its products at its own exhibition stand. Marvin Mueller, Sales Manager: "Our main topic on this year's IFA will be the introduction of the EU regulations concerning the energy consumption labeling of vacuum cleaners. Since this law enters into force on September 1st 2014, we will present our adapted collection of vacuum cleaners. In addition, we will present you a world premiere. Therefore, it is definitely worth visiting us at our exhibition stand in hall 6.1 / stand 109. | ||
| Post# 296368 , Reply# 18 9/1/2014 at 09:46 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Did you see the above post? The Dyson isn't rated A for energy efficiency and dust emissions haven't been given. Infact when I went onto the Dyson website this morning, there is no mention on any energy ratings. The specs only reveal weight, air watts and a lot of other non-important info.
As I said in previous responses here, the data that has been given on SEBO Germany's website may be updated in time. Having a look at Vax's UK website and on their Eco vacuums, they only appear to give an overall rating for energy - there is no mention on carpet, hard floor or emissions data. In light of the data and in some cases missing data, I think the phrase that springs to mind here is "patience" and also the phrase "benefit of the doubt." Either way, the EU tags aren't all that important to ME but at the same time I feel sympathy for buyers and less so for the EU who have truly mucked up things. | ||
| Post# 296369 , Reply# 19 9/1/2014 at 09:48 (3,518 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
I am equally puzzled. I thought the Felix navy I have is a bench mark for carpet cleaning performance, but it only gets a B for carpet performance? It is being outclassed by a Vax eco air and a Dyson ! ?
One thing I will stick up for James Dyson in saying is that no one has made clear how the tests are conducted and by who. Surely it cant be the manufacturers themselves, that would obviously be silly as they would be biased and somehow make the test turn in their favour. | ||
| Post# 296371 , Reply# 20 9/1/2014 at 09:51 (3,518 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Well I think it's Dyson And vax for me now
Josh, surely somebody with as much experience as yourself with vacuums wouldn't take a label as an accurate means of measuring the performance of a vacuum? You KNOW how Miele and Sebo perform and yet you're taking the word of a sticker that doesn't include any test data? Seem's ridiculous to me to write off other brands based just on that.
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| Post# 296380 , Reply# 21 9/1/2014 at 10:19 (3,518 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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Don't worry I think some of the labels are correct but I think some of them are wrong if you go on the Dyson website Dyson DC 41mk2 it says itvonly has 110aw for a fact I know it's 198aw as all the proper information was on the mobile website that's gone now luckily I took pictures and The mobile website says it cleans better than any other vacuum cleaner and that's not on the main website so something must be wrong and as everyone knows I'm not a big fan of Miele and Sebo i'm a Bagless person if I had to go was a bagged vacuum it Will be be a sebo or Henry or a miele i've had the new Dyson DC 39 animal it gets A for everything nut it gets B for carpet I can say the DC 50 gets A for everything but it gets B for energy I think everyone has to wait until maybe The labels get sorted Will properly know when the ables are put on machines in stores
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| Post# 296457 , Reply# 22 9/1/2014 at 17:35 (3,518 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296460 , Reply# 23 9/1/2014 at 17:43 (3,518 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Lots of the ratings don't add up.
C rating on hard floors for straight suction Miele and Henry's but a Vax upright gets an A? Different energy ratings for 2 different Sebo's with the same motor in them? B rating for a Miele with a standard air clean filter but F for an s-class Sebo? C rating for a Miele S7 on carpet? It's all utter rubbish. As far as I can tell, the testing is being done by the manufacturer based on guidelines set by Brussels, but each manufacture is doing their own tests. There is no standard way of measuring the energy labels, they just have to meet certain criteria. | ||
| Post# 296461 , Reply# 24 9/1/2014 at 17:43 (3,518 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK) | ||
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I can't wait to try an Eco one. Have a soft spot for Sebo Felix ;)) | ||
| Post# 296467 , Reply# 25 9/1/2014 at 17:57 (3,518 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 296468 , Reply# 26 9/1/2014 at 18:00 (3,518 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Certainly don't Turbo500. C rating for a Miele S7 for carpet!!! Did they forget to turn the power brush on! As for the F for SEBO s-class was a letter of the alphabet plucked from the air!! Surely if SEBO s-class was that bad would you not notice if it wasn't filtering very well!
I think your right with regards to the testing, I can't see Brussels testing every single vacuum cleaner to rate all the different area's for each one! Same here blakaeg I can't wait to try the Eco Felix and the X series too, although the X series will be the same as the X1.1 surely. Would like to try the K & D series if the UK get 700 watt versions too. I do love my SEBO Felix too, and SEBO in general. | ||
| Post# 296469 , Reply# 27 9/1/2014 at 18:04 (3,518 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 296476 , Reply# 28 9/1/2014 at 19:27 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 296553 , Reply# 29 9/2/2014 at 00:16 (3,518 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296561 , Reply# 30 9/2/2014 at 01:58 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 296562 , Reply# 31 9/2/2014 at 02:04 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Back on topic
Anyway, SEBO have added a few other things online today.
SEBO Felix Kombi - 700 watt and in a rather remarkably similar choice to what I decided on myself, when it came to changing the colour/different patterned exhaust cover a few months ago on mine... Available in either Pearl or Platinum colours.
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| Post# 296563 , Reply# 32 9/2/2014 at 02:16 (3,518 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Oh, I got this all wrong. Okay. SEBO and Miele are terrible vacuum cleaners. They must be because of these rating labels. They have terrible filtrations and well below average carpet cleaning performance not to mention terribly inefficient motors. I mean its not exactly as if SEBO and Miele have won awards from which? magazine and GHI, among being used in Buckingham Palace, the White House amongst hospitals, hotels and schools right across Europe and north America. Nah, if you want a real deep powerful cleaning machine with excellent filtration, buy a Vax!
Seriously come on people, and especially you dysonboy. These labels mean nothing at the moment, the tests have not been conducted to a standard and they have not got proper information yet. Manufactures are rushing to get all of this done. Give it until the end of the year at least before the labels actually mean anything. | ||
| Post# 296582 , Reply# 34 9/2/2014 at 05:09 (3,518 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The thing is though, the EU labels are hardly for the benefit of collectors, HI-LO - they're for the unsuspecting Average Joe buyer who might just believe everything they read.
Mind you, when you look at what gets an A for mostly everything, it 'aint exactly cheap. If you go in for all manner of performance data (I can only think of one ex-member on here who springs to mind and who is probably spitting pips regarding the SEBO data) then you'll most certainly have to pay through the nose for it. | ||
| Post# 296637 , Reply# 35 9/2/2014 at 11:55 (3,517 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 296765 , Reply# 36 9/2/2014 at 22:32 (3,517 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, the Navy colours would suit the Classic a lot, or the Vogue exhaust filter. It has enough contrast that wouldn't make the classic look out of place. I believe online classic filters can be cheaper to buy since it is an older model.
The other thing regarding the X series is that they have forever been sold on the basis that they gently clean carpets. Though I would have expected a better performance data for carpet cleaning, at least the X doesn't get a D rating. At the end of the day Im hopeful that the ratings may be re-tested, not just for SEBO but for other brands. As Chris notes, there are too many variables in the EU label tests and in my mind they don't go far enough to justify the ratings. | ||
| Post# 296790 , Reply# 37 9/3/2014 at 03:12 (3,517 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Something is definitely amiss!
Looked at the G1/G2 on SEBO's Germany site. Confusing stats for each, when both are the same model yet the G2 has a bigger floor head.
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| Post# 296828 , Reply# 38 9/3/2014 at 10:40 (3,516 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 296862 , Reply# 39 9/3/2014 at 13:09 (3,516 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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SEBO Felix 1 Premium Eco Pearl, SEBO Felix 4 Rosso & SEBO X4
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| Post# 296919 , Reply# 40 9/3/2014 at 17:12 (3,516 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Nice line up, loving that Eco Pearl Felix! Like the white X4 too. I wonder if the X1.1 will be dropped in the UK due to the lower wattage motors in the X series!? Unless the UK doesn't get the lower watt ones, just the Felix, D and K Eco models.
Thanks for the filter suggestions for my Felix Classic, I will bare though in mind. | ||
| Post# 297059 , Reply# 41 9/4/2014 at 15:33 (3,515 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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In that news report that showed off SEBO UK, they said that they had just taken in the last of the models before the new EU ones. I can't imagine that the UK would lose out on eco versions of the Felix or D series - particularly in light of the fact that the D series in the UK has yet to have a low wattage model for the domestic model.
The X1.1 isn't available in many other countries. It would be a pity to see it go - certainly from SEBO's point of view it could become the tester model if they fit a 900 watt motor into it. Having that model means it doesn't affect the more premium level of the X4. | ||
| Post# 297143 , Reply# 42 9/5/2014 at 09:10 (3,514 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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New product launch Anyone know what this new Sebo is that launched today at the IFA? | ||
| Post# 297157 , Reply# 43 9/5/2014 at 11:31 (3,514 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 297158 , Reply# 44 9/5/2014 at 12:11 (3,514 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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I will be very disappointed if this new cleaner turns out to be the Evolution. Why all the cloak and dagger stuff with a product covered by a shroud on the website, when it has been on full view for weeks before? | ||
| Post# 297162 , Reply# 45 9/5/2014 at 12:49 (3,514 days old) by v6jme (Telford, Shropshire/Gdansk/Gdynia) | ||
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| Post# 297165 , Reply# 46 9/5/2014 at 13:17 (3,514 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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That's true. I wonder what SEBO Eco models the UK will get look forward to seeing that.
I would be a shame to loose the X1.1, that's a good point to put a 900 watt motor in the X1.1 to see how it fairs. That will give them a good view of how a 900 watt motor performs in domestic use. A new cylinder from SEBO can't wait!! Doesn't look like it will replace the K series then! New power head may be! Could that mean new power heads for the Premium D & K plus the Felix. We will see I suppose very soon! | ||
| Post# 297167 , Reply# 47 9/5/2014 at 13:32 (3,514 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well the K series has been around since 2002; it would be good to see another model - but do SEBO really need another cylinder/can vacuum cleaner on the market?
The way the K has been made, though it survives on a 3 litre dust bag, it sits between rivals on dust capacity alone. Bosch and Miele both offer 3.5/4 litre dust bags with their FJM and then the 4.5/5 litre GN series bags, and Bosch also offer a larger size capacity dust bag for their bagged cylinder vacs. Something in the middle range between the K and the D series could make sales, but then I think SEBO could offer a "Grand Felix" size that could in theory, take over from the X series uprights. | ||
| Post# 297168 , Reply# 48 9/5/2014 at 13:43 (3,514 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Photo has appeared from one company online about new products at the 2014 IFA show. Nothing as yet from SEBO themselves yet...
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| Post# 297174 , Reply# 49 9/5/2014 at 14:41 (3,514 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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"Sebo_fan" Look at the top-most edge of that photo. Just visible, pinned to the wall above the white X4 upright, is what appears to be the back end of a cylinder machine. I think I can identify the slot for parking the carpet / floor head. | ||
| Post# 297176 , Reply# 50 9/5/2014 at 14:55 (3,514 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Looks a bit similar to the back of a K model, but it definitely looks like a new design. | ||
| Post# 297179 , Reply# 51 9/5/2014 at 15:49 (3,514 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ah, I wondered what that was!
Now starts the speculation - if it is that wide, it could be for additional tools or a larger dust bag. Or just a prototype on the wall.
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| Post# 297181 , Reply# 52 9/5/2014 at 15:54 (3,514 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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I don't think that's the actual cleaner, just a oversized model on the wall for display purposes. | ||
| Post# 297182 , Reply# 53 9/5/2014 at 15:55 (3,514 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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It looks like it could be more of a circular shape rather than a cylinder. | ||
| Post# 297187 , Reply# 54 9/5/2014 at 17:02 (3,514 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I think a new model to fit in between the K and D series seems plausible and would make sense. If it was to replace the K series surely they wouldn't have updated the K series with lower watt motors!
I like your idea of the 'Grand Felix' Sebo_fan. Suppose they could keep a base X series model if they did this! That picture sure looks like a new product. Shame we can't see a bit more of it. I'm surprise no one has posted anything more online! | ||
| Post# 297203 , Reply# 55 9/5/2014 at 19:37 (3,514 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 297204 , Reply# 56 9/5/2014 at 19:58 (3,514 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 297233 , Reply# 57 9/6/2014 at 03:32 (3,514 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 297368 , Reply# 58 9/7/2014 at 06:02 (3,512 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 297523 , Reply# 59 9/8/2014 at 09:35 (3,511 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Well, that's one theory to this label issue!
Whilst I fully support the lowering of the wattages, the problem with the ratings is that there is no consistency in how these are tested. Each manufacturer is left to do it's own testing based on guidelines written by Brussels. But there are too many variables. For example, you could get 2 different sets of results from the same cleaner just by using a different test carpet. There really needs to be strict consistency and tests done all in the same place by the same people using the same types of flooring, timings and the same types of dirt to test with.
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| Post# 297528 , Reply# 60 9/8/2014 at 10:04 (3,511 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 297530 , Reply# 61 9/8/2014 at 10:09 (3,511 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK) | ||
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I found the SEBO Felix filtration to be excellent. Never had an issue with it. | ||
| Post# 297531 , Reply# 62 9/8/2014 at 10:21 (3,511 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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it doesn't have a have a HEPA filter | ||
| Post# 297534 , Reply# 63 9/8/2014 at 10:34 (3,511 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 297535 , Reply# 64 9/8/2014 at 10:34 (3,511 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 297536 , Reply# 65 9/8/2014 at 10:37 (3,511 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I would prefer it to have a HEPA filter | ||
| Post# 297540 , Reply# 66 9/8/2014 at 11:07 (3,511 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 297548 , Reply# 68 9/8/2014 at 12:28 (3,511 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 297569 , Reply# 69 9/8/2014 at 14:49 (3,511 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
 I love to see prototype machines but back to the topic of lower wattage motors. Now before I start this I am in no way implying that sebo has done this at all.
One of the things that has been worrying me about this law, Remember in the 70's leaded petrol was banned, How poor the performance was on some of these cars until they started to come up with more efficient engines.
Now in another thread on this forum their was a post about a Journalist creating panic but by saying that powerful machines were going to be gone forever. We all made fun of this but their may be a thread of truth about it. How many manufacturers are simply going to dump smaller motors into machines designed for more powerful ones.
Small motors are all good and well but if the machine they are fitted into was designed for a bigger one their could be a real lack of power.
Most manufacturers have been very lazy They simply put more and more powerfull motors in machines instead of designing a machine that didn't need a 2000watt motor to suck properly I fear many will simply put a smaller motor into these older design machines to save money for now creating some really bad machines. This is especially a problem in Europe were most vacuums and Canister style machines and are straight suction.
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| Post# 297593 , Reply# 70 9/8/2014 at 17:06 (3,511 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, it all goes back to the 1960s and may I say it, even before that where brands constantly used "extra suction power," or "higher power" to sell the product. It all got out of hand in the 1990s IMHO.
Even modern vacuums in the U.S were advertising "ESP" on some certain brands (Eureka?)... Im not sure what you are seeing DT, best to leave it until SEBO actually reveal the vacuum in question. As for filtration - HEPA and S-Class are nearly the same. S-Class came first before HEPA - even Miele used S-Class before they changed to HEPA - there is very little difference. An actual HEPA filter compared to ones used in vacuums are completely different, any way. Also, the U.S markets have HEPA filters for the X series, but SEBO in Germany have tested them and found them to be below their preferred S-Class filters in terms of emissions. They may well make HEPA eventually but I think SEBO's hospital grade branded filters add a lot more weight to actual professional filtration standards. | ||
| Post# 297602 , Reply# 71 9/8/2014 at 17:48 (3,511 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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Yep, ESP was Eureka's big thing in the 1980s, they even had a an entire line-up called ESP! I have one of the first 1978 versions, it's a great vacuum but the self-propulsion isn't the best! The amps craze really did get out of hand in the 90s, especially Hoover's 'performance rating'system! Some people thought Hoover was selling a 28 Amp vacuum!! | ||
| Post# 297988 , Reply# 72 9/11/2014 at 09:53 (3,508 days old) by v6jme (Telford, Shropshire/Gdansk/Gdynia) | ||
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E series | ||
| Post# 297990 , Reply# 73 9/11/2014 at 10:27 (3,508 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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in the UK by the end of October | ||
| Post# 297991 , Reply# 74 9/11/2014 at 11:00 (3,508 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Picture of Sebo E First pic.
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| Post# 297993 , Reply# 75 9/11/2014 at 11:17 (3,508 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 297994 , Reply# 76 9/11/2014 at 11:26 (3,508 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Info from SEBO Germany
As you will see, info regarding the E is given from the same photo taken from SEBO Germany site.
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| Post# 298000 , Reply# 77 9/11/2014 at 12:11 (3,508 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 298033 , Reply# 78 9/11/2014 at 16:48 (3,508 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 298036 , Reply# 79 9/11/2014 at 17:03 (3,508 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Very true it certainly does, in keeping with the D series. Sleek lines too. Looks like the bag compartment access is on top like the ad series. Wonder if it has the blue status light around the power switch like the D. Like you hope that's a cord rewind button next to the main power button!
Thought this E might replace the K but doesn't look like it as why would SEBO introduce Eco versions of the K series. | ||
| Post# 298037 , Reply# 80 9/11/2014 at 17:14 (3,508 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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IM surprised that the E will use the 3 litre dust bag from the K series to be honest. It would be good if the capacity could be 4.5 litres so that it sits closer to the D series in terms of a mid-range cylinder vacuum and would bring it closer to the likes of Miele with their FJM series bags.
From what we've seen SEBO aren't in a habit of replacing a new body with an old name. I can't imagine the K series would be sold alongside the E though - it may well eventually replace it. | ||
| Post# 298038 , Reply# 81 9/11/2014 at 17:36 (3,508 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Now you say that I'm surprised too, from another comment above that the E will fit in between the K and D series you would have thought it would of had a bigger bag capacity for a mid range model. Like you say 4.5 or even 4 litres. Suppose it saves on cost of bag manufacturing. No new bag to develops or manufacture.
No that's right. Agree with you there especially having the same bag capacity too. That's why when I saw the picture of the E I thought this looks like a K replacement. Sure we will see more details about it soon! | ||
| Post# 299028 , Reply# 82 9/20/2014 at 15:28 (3,499 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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SEBO Airbelt E series...
Just some more info about the SEBO E Airbelt series.
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| Post# 299050 , Reply# 83 9/20/2014 at 16:59 (3,499 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Sounds interesting, I like the idea of the 3 models. I wonder if the power head will be the ET-1? Sure it will. Looks like the SEBO Airbelt E series will be setting some new standards in the market. Would love to add a SEBO cylinder to join my Felix Classic as well as a X series I'm looking at getting at some point.
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| Post# 299165 , Reply# 84 9/21/2014 at 10:30 (3,498 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, it is how the model line up first started with the cylinder vacs like C1, C1.1, C2. C2.1 and so on.
Here's a snapshot of SEBO's original line up in the 1990s. There were K2's in other countries, like Canada I think. The K3 in the middle seems to have a suction only combi floor tool but the electric hose/tubes can be seen. 
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| Post# 299203 , Reply# 85 9/21/2014 at 16:54 (3,498 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Love that picture of SEBO line up back in the 90's thanks for posting that sebo_fan. Keeping the range in a particular model line up simple helps the customer distinguish the differences between them. I think SEBO are good at doing that. I bet the UK will get a Per version of the E series.
Really looking forward to seeing the range and specs of the new Airbelt E series and see the top end power head model too. | ||
| Post# 299218 , Reply# 86 9/21/2014 at 18:45 (3,498 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 299359 , Reply# 87 9/22/2014 at 14:56 (3,497 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 299373 , Reply# 88 9/22/2014 at 16:39 (3,497 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The main reason to why the SEBO X sells isn't just because of the auto sensor though - it sells well because of its high reliability record and because it was designed to be repaired by the owner rather than be sent back to the company like other companies and their various models.
Espares videos on You Tube are great if you're an X series owner. There's virtually everything you need to know on there in terms of repairing most of the parts that go with age, or if you buy second hand etc. | ||
| Post# 305626 , Reply# 89 11/10/2014 at 12:28 (3,448 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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That pic would be about 1999 onwards as that was when the x4 was launched. The 370 been launched in 1997 to replace the ageing 360. Its a pity it would not live up to the 360 reliability. The dommell motors were much more powerful but they overheated and often melted the body of the machine. This mostly due to over filled bags by staff but never the less the 360 would take that kind of abuse day in day out for years without issues.
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| Post# 305628 , Reply# 90 11/10/2014 at 12:36 (3,448 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Espares make some useful videos I must say. | ||
| Post# 334548 , Reply# 91 9/24/2015 at 07:42 (3,130 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 334554 , Reply# 92 9/24/2015 at 11:39 (3,130 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 334640 , Reply# 93 9/26/2015 at 07:37 (3,128 days old) by Sebo_Fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Also it is not as if SEBO as a brand fit high power motors any more. Yes, they did with their previous models but only due to customer demand and to what other brands were doing. But even when the K series in Europe had 2100 watts, a lower 1500watt version was well before the new EU law came in. All the uprights have low energy efficient power.
Im surprised that SEBO actually changed their X series upright motors. 1300 watts isn't exactly against the law. | ||
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