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| Post# 294504 , Reply# 1 8/20/2014 at 05:21 (3,533 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
My Miele S8 and S6 both used to get hot when used in the highest speed, but I know what you mean about the Felix. I think that is part of its design downside due to the exhaust cover. I don't mind it though because my Felix rarely puts out a lot of heat because I seldom use the highest speed. Infact, the Felix is better than the Dart as the Dart used to give a roasting each time due to its fixed speed - great for cold homes or commercially cleaning lol.
The other vacuum that I used to have which blew a lot of hot air, and not helped by its thinner plastics was my old Bosch BSGL5PRO model. The hottest one I have ever experienced are the types with the exhausts on the rear end of a cylinder vacuum - Electrolux Powerplus springs to mind here. Not much use if you have painted stairs! | ||
| Post# 294513 , Reply# 2 8/20/2014 at 09:10 (3,533 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 294604 , Reply# 4 8/20/2014 at 17:51 (3,533 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
 I'll stick to my Toaster-Master for now....found it in a thrift store a week or two ago for $3!
D.T, there was one vacuum that had ALUMINUM for it's motor winding, The Dirt-Devil Featherlite! it was a horror story! Air blowing out of all seams isn't that good of an idea, think about carbon dust! shooting air out of a jet-hole in the back is tried and true, and even better when you throw a filter on there! | ||
| Post# 294624 , Reply# 6 8/20/2014 at 18:33 (3,533 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 294767 , Reply# 7 8/21/2014 at 11:05 (3,532 days old) by DesertTortoise () | ||
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I would argue that carbon dust from the brushes is less than 1% of the total dust that makes it's way past the motor and final exhaust filter. | ||
| Post# 294769 , Reply# 8 8/21/2014 at 11:26 (3,532 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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From a vacuum cleaner perhaps not much carbon is thrown into the air but from other domestic appliances in the home, carbon emissions are higher than they have ever been. More so in countries like UK and Europe where homes depend on central heating.
A lot of home owners are investing in HEPA air purifiers for good reason - the air quality in home in recent years has become dirtier.
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| Post# 294776 , Reply# 10 8/21/2014 at 12:48 (3,532 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 294777 , Reply# 11 8/21/2014 at 12:49 (3,532 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, they use oil lamps in India so the air is always full of paraffin - but in a room only and India have ceiling fans so the smell clears away. Or air conditioners, which also produce carbon…
The smell of horse manure would probably not enter a home.
As for wood burning stoves - Id rather have that scent in the air. I rather like the smell of burning wood. And, only in the last couple of years due to the high cost of electricity in the UK, many people are changing their stoves to wood burning stoves so that it heats the whole home. A lot of the modern wood stoves have a vent that takes the smell away outside with burning wood.
So in far as air quality is concerned, a lot of modern appliances still put out a lot of carbon outwith whatever change from old traditional ways you might add in your modern home. | ||
| Post# 294788 , Reply# 13 8/21/2014 at 14:45 (3,532 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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If you're going to go all anal on this, DT then believe me you won't have a fighting chance.
The amount of carbon in a home can be filtered through HEPA air purifiers. '
I actually live across from a farm and at one time in the year it is possible to smell the manure in the air. However it is not on a street and the farm is miles away, but close to my home as I can see it from the hill where my home is built on. The smell does not come into the home.
Tellingly, carbon and carbon dioxide is dangerously high in most western countries. The usage of gas and electricity contributes to those factors. Have a look at this table and you'll see what countries use the highest.
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| Post# 294886 , Reply# 14 8/22/2014 at 06:34 (3,531 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Has anybody noticed the cable gets hot with certain vacuums? BTW My Dc04 doesn't get that hot, I vacuum for 25 mins- 45 mins and they just don't burn you.My Dc01 Detsijl does though for some reason... The HEPA Filteris what you can't touch after an hour of use | ||
| Post# 295474 , Reply# 16 8/26/2014 at 09:33 (3,527 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
This is something I've noticed with my Sebo D2, so much so that the air from the exhaust is actually hot rather than merely warm. To be fair, I don't think it's a trait specific to this brand, as I've experienced the same with Miele and other makes too. It's just what happens when you have a motor that pulls over 2kW, coupled with sound insulation inside the motor compartment and several stages of fine filtration.
The fans themselves will also generate some heat; they spin at tens of thousands of RPM, and the airflow through them creates friction. This is why some cleaners such as Nilfisk and the Hoover Freedom cylinder had an ass-backwards configuration, where the air passed over the motor first, and THEN through the fans. Keeps the motor itself slightly cooler than if it were arranged the opposite way round, as is usually the case. | ||
| Post# 295523 , Reply# 19 8/26/2014 at 16:55 (3,527 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
I only really notice the heat from my SEBO Felix when on full power. I only use this setting for a deep clean on carpets once a week or so. I use it on half to three quarters of power on the slider switch which I found very adequate both for floors and tool use. I sometimes use full power on hard floors too. That way you don't notice the heat so much from the exhaust filter.
May be the lower wattage motors coming out will generate less heat in general! | ||
| Post# 295834 , Reply# 21 8/28/2014 at 13:36 (3,525 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I think it comes down to past experiences of other models - for example so many owners' reviews I have read regarding the Felix complain about the high heat. I know I moaned it about myself when I bought the Dart commercial upright version a year before I bought the Felix. But as soon as I used the Felix I realised that it isn't like some other brand's offering.
The Dart is bad because it does not have variable suction control, so you get the full force of 1300 watts each time. The Felix is better because you get the choice of low, medium to high power via the slider. But, as with most SEBO vacs, the brands and the models teach you do to things slightly different to what has gone on before. Where the Felix is concerned, you don't need full power for maximum pick up - so many owners easily forget that the Felix has two motors on board and that the 175 watt ET1 floor head has 4 manual height adjustments that can additionally improve pick up - without unnecessarily amping up the suction to match. | ||
| Post# 295856 , Reply# 22 8/28/2014 at 16:09 (3,525 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Blakaeg, your welcome but if I remember I think it was sebo_fan that mentioned it or suggested it once and I've tried it and it works a treat. You don't always need full power for vacuuming flooring especially carpets I feel now. Plus you do not get so much heat from the motor when not on full power. Be interesting to see if the lower watt Felix will emit less heat on full power probably will do.
That surprises me you use number 1 on the ET-1 head for all floors. Do you not find it hard to push on carpets? Suppose you get greater pick up I hard floors with the brush roll switched on. I know what you mean about the Dyson brush roll! I use the ET-1 on number 1 for hard floors with the brush bar off on 3/4 to full power but I prefer the Deluxe Parquet Floor tool to vacuum my hard floors which are mainly tiles. I feel I get a better pickup. My carpets are short pile I could use number 1 height setting but find it hard to push the vacuum. I mainly use number 3 on 1/2 to 3/4 power and for a deeper cleaning number 2 on the same power setting. I occasionally use full power as and when I want. I find the 2 height settings clean my carpets great grooming and lifting the pile. How thick are the carpet you use the Felix on? Have you tried the new synthetic bags? I've found these have help to give better performance without the vacuum having to be on full power. | ||
| Post# 296000 , Reply# 24 8/29/2014 at 15:58 (3,524 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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The brushes haven't warned down have they with the brush head now not switching off? I know what you mean always wanting them deep clean.
Thats interesting, I must admit I prefer them. I do notice the pet hair sticks to the side more with the synthetic bags but it still generally fills from the bottom. I've noticed the bag indicator hardly moves for me with the new type bags. Saying that my bags are full of mainly pet hair as well as general household dust and dirt properly why the bag indicator doesn't move much. I noticed it moved more using the paper bags. I only notice a slight change in suction as the synthetic bags fill compared to the paper ones which was noticeable as the bag became fuller. Great tip for pushing the dust and dirt down. My bag is nearly ready for changing and the bag indicator is only on a quarter! Must change both filters as not been changed in 7 years!! Saying that I didn't use it much in the first few years of owning it, and I'm only on my second box of bags too. Do try the lower setting and let us know how you get on. The Felix does cope very well with pet hair. Mines the Felix Classic. | ||
| Post# 296001 , Reply# 25 8/29/2014 at 16:00 (3,524 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 296003 , Reply# 26 8/29/2014 at 16:36 (3,524 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thanks for that info sebo_fan I didn't know that about the delicate brush roll digging deeper. I've heard the delicate brush roll can wear down quicker than the harder blue bristle one. Are the bristles longer then for it to dig deeper? Suppose it's due to the bristles being softer. Might have to invest in one then!
Thats good Knowing that info for when I get an X series I would feel happier using the delicate brush roll on hard floors. | ||
| Post# 296009 , Reply# 27 8/29/2014 at 18:19 (3,524 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Glad I could help as always.
The bristles are the same length, just softer and green in colour. TBH I dont notice a big difference between the two with the choice of roller brushes. What I do notice however is that the X is slightly heavier to push with the delicate brush roller fitted. I've since returned to using the harder bristles in my X1 Auto due to the sensor and the delicate brush roller in the Felix since it has the manual height adjustment. | ||
| Post# 296083 , Reply# 28 8/30/2014 at 09:39 (3,523 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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You sure did thanks. Slowly getting to know the SEBO brand and it's vacuum cleaners more and more which I find interesting thank you for your help and knowledge and sharing too.
Might give the delicate brush roll a try, will have to order one when I order my new filters for my Felix. Suppose the softer bristles are able to dig deeper into the carpet pile. The Delicate brush roll must make the X series head lower more then with the standard harder bristles hence heavier to push. I know SEBO would never make one but it would be nice to have an ET-1 head with automatic height adjustment like the X series but offer the one with manual height as well. The auto ET-1 head would have to have a hard floor setting so if you turn the brush bar off it lowers to a height suitable for hard floors unless you left the brush bar on. I know a silly idea!! | ||
| Post# 296085 , Reply# 29 8/30/2014 at 10:46 (3,523 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I think that's the reason as to why they don't have an auto sensor ET-1. As far as I can remember the ET-H has an unusual function whereby the dial at the back click locks into a height adjustment but when actually activated onto carpet, the dial doesn't really make much of a difference. If you look at Roger's video for the Sebo K3 Premium, he shows this off to good effect.
The ET-1 was developed purely for manual height adjustment and for a time for domestic owners who wanted something newer - apparently. I don't think I would like an auto sensing ET-H. The Felix is so much better at cleaning around the home because it takes a far shorter time to get around than the slow and progressive X1. I like both as you know, but most of the time my Felix gets used far more often than the X series. I do like the wand and short hose on the X though. | ||
| Post# 296204 , Reply# 31 8/31/2014 at 02:24 (3,522 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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It would also complicate what is an already great power head with manual height adjustment which works beautifully. You've jogged my memory I remember watching Roger's video with the ET-H on the SEBO K3 Premium. I will take another look so I can see that dial you mention on the ET-H thank you.
I know what you about the Felix it does make for quick and easy cleaning and very agile around objects like furniture. That's what I like about the Felix too. I do miss a hose and wand setup which is why I would like an X series for though hard to reach areas both floor and above. Suppose a cylinder would do for that! Just out of interest have you ever used sebo_fan your Felix or X series with the Duo-P to brush it into the carpet for dry cleaning? | ||
| Post# 296222 , Reply# 32 8/31/2014 at 06:32 (3,522 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Regarding DuoP powder, I have tried the SEBO trick of unlocking the hose and using the vacuum to brush roll the powder in. It kind of works but I prefer to use the SEBO daisy wheel brush broom - mine is a Rug Renovator that I ordered from a seller in the U.S many years ago and constantly emailed SEBO about it in the UK to stock it in. They eventually relented - the Rug Renovator or SEBO Daisy Wheel brush is perfect for putting the powder down though either way you'll have to clean off the power when you are finished.
On the Felix the bottom of the hose must be kept in place for the brush roll to keep spinning, otherwise when taken out the brush roll will stop. On the X series the hose can either be unlocked from the top of the machine leading to the bag OR just taken out of the top of the wand hoister since the X doesn't have brush roll on/off. Thereafter once the powder has been put in and after half an hour when it is time to brush out the powder, I find the entire brush roller does take up all the powder, but the cavity in which it sits in can get a little clogged up. It doesn't affect normal dry vacuuming performance but over time if you leave the powder clogged up in there, it will gradually build up. Once the hose is added back in, then the powder naturally can be sucked up. | ||
| Post# 296228 , Reply# 34 8/31/2014 at 06:56 (3,522 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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X versus Felix
The thing about the X versus the Felix in my experience is that the Felix is not a lightweight vacuum cleaner. It isn't designed to be as light as an Oreck but it was designed to offer something different when it came along. More like a small to medium flat and home vacuum compared to the X.
The X series, as we all know is pretty old but for a company who are still private and independent, SEBO have just allowed the old design to soldier on with only a few basic upgrades. Only buy an X1.1 or X4 is you want longer lasting dust bags and a lighter weight to push around. Whilst the X can cope, they're good if you want progressive slow cleaning around your home - I find the Felix is far quicker and dependent on the carpet height setting I have it on, can be lighter to push. Rather than pay out massively for an X1.1 or X4, my best opinion however would be to find or seek out a refurbished X1 Automatic - the dark grey and light grey contrasting models are powerful enough, even if suction is a lot stronger from the Felix. It's still the model of choice given their cheap prices second hand. In time the X1.1 will take over but I suspect even with the newer models coming in for the EU Law, it may take a long time for the original X1 Automatic to slowly disappear. At least if you try an X1 Automatic, you can either keep that for the long haul or sell it on cheaply and then finally buy an updated X rather than going full hog and spending some £150 or so on a new model. | ||
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