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Hoover Windtunnel vs Eureka AirSpeed
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Post# 293695   8/15/2014 at 16:02 (3,539 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        

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Anybody like to do vacuum tests? I did this one just for fun.

First, I vacuumed my first floor (living room, family room, dining room) with my Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet (which still has a broken canister).

Then I promptly went over the same areas with the Eureka AirSpeed Unlimited Rewind, and much to my surprise, I got a handful of pet hair and fluff, plus a small pile of dust and grit!

In my mind, the AirSpeed technology works really well. The dirt travels through an oversized tube with limited bends and turns. Plus, its canister is easier to empty.

On the Windtunnel, the dirt travels through the hose, like with most vacuums. Dust always gets stuck in the hose. I don't like the canister on this vacuum. Pet hair gets stuck in there and you have to bang it like crazy to empty it.

These are some amazing results! (You'll have to excuse the bookshelf, the sword and the paper shredder.)


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Post# 293697 , Reply# 1   8/15/2014 at 16:03 (3,539 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Hoover results

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Post# 293698 , Reply# 2   8/15/2014 at 16:04 (3,539 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Eureka results

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Post# 293708 , Reply# 3   8/15/2014 at 16:56 (3,539 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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I guess the cook book & book of blood come in handy too...I see what your up to!!

Post# 293724 , Reply# 4   8/15/2014 at 17:55 (3,539 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Haha

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I'm not up to anything suspicious...really! Like I said, this was a "just for fun" test. I took the pictures using my Android phone. I guess I should've moved to a different location, but I decided to upload anyway. Sorry about the quality, the pics are very pixelated.

Off topic, but that bookshelf contains cookbooks, reference books and my dad's books. There are mostly fantasy novels in there. That "Books of Blood" is a collection of horror fiction stories by Clive Barker.

And now, back to vacuums!


Post# 293740 , Reply# 5   8/15/2014 at 19:10 (3,539 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I think pretty typical, always more left for next machine. maybe next time reverse the procedure and see how it looks?hoover last?

Post# 293751 , Reply# 6   8/15/2014 at 21:13 (3,539 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Hmm...

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It is typical. I did a similar test last year, pitting the Hoover against my overpriced Dyson. Sure enough, the Hoover picked up more.

I don't know if I will be able to do another versus test, because I might not keep the Eureka. It's going to my dad's friend, who needs a new vacuum.


Post# 293763 , Reply# 7   8/15/2014 at 21:58 (3,539 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
I like to do tests.

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I wouldn't be surprised that the eureka out cleans a T series. Back when i had a T series the airflow read in at about a 2.5-3 at the hose, and while i've never measured a bagless airspeed the eureka smartvac pulled about a 5.5-6 at the diverter port.

Post# 293797 , Reply# 8   8/16/2014 at 01:53 (3,539 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Well...

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First of all, the Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet is NOT a T-Series. It is based on the T-Series, but the design, motor, brushroll etc. are different. Windtunnel 2 is just a name. It is not related to the Windtunnel 2 released in the mid-2000s.

On the Windtunnel, all the dirt travels through the hose when cleaning carpets. The air path consists of two bends and turns, before going into the canister.

What makes an AirSpeed an AirSpeed is the oversized, smooth tube which decreases the path that the dirt travels through. This increases the airflow at the vacuum head, making it better at cleaning carpets and floors. To use attachments, you flip a dial on the side of the vacuum to "tools." This focuses all the suction to the hose for above floor cleaning. However, it's easy to forget to change it back when vacuuming floors. I did that the first time I used the Eureka, and it was leaving clumps of debris on the carpet. I couldn't figure out a thing, until I realized that the suction control dial was set to "tools." Once it was turned to "floors," the vacuum worked like new.


Post# 293803 , Reply# 9   8/16/2014 at 04:32 (3,538 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I dont know what happened to the message I put the first time... but. ..
The Airspeed in the UK has 150 air watts - all models have the same motor. I had one. I wasn't impressed with the plastic quality and the silly wave set into the bin didn't appeal to me - a gimmick that shows off dirt circling around similar to those bendy shaped straws you could get as a child.

It looks to me that the Hoover has picked up a lot more.

I thought the Windtunnel design was down to the dual suction channels on the sole plate i.e two main dust channels instead of the one you would normally get. That and the possibility that the motor might produce a lot more than 150 air watts is a no-brainer.


Post# 293827 , Reply# 10   8/16/2014 at 11:46 (3,538 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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You know what could out-clean BOTH the Hoover and Eureka? it has one, single turn! Take a wild guess, Kirby! laughing


Post# 293831 , Reply# 11   8/16/2014 at 11:53 (3,538 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh I know, but then you have to go all to the bother of fishing out attachments on the Kirby since nothing is on board apart from a dime collection slot to save up for bags.

As for weight, I know which one I would rather carry around - and it 'aint a Kirby!


Post# 293839 , Reply# 12   8/16/2014 at 12:14 (3,538 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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oh sure it is, You'll have to import one, though! tongue-out

 

That Hoover doesn't come with a Carrying Strap!


Post# 293850 , Reply# 13   8/16/2014 at 13:32 (3,538 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Respectively Alex, if you have never had experience of these two brands, then there really isn't much point in mentioning Kirby. You seem to do this in other threads.

Clearly this topic is about the modern uprights, and bagless ones at that. I don't go on about SEBO in every thread, I like Miele too, but I have also owned similar Vax uprights and the Zanussi equivalent one to the Eureka one shown. Thus, my opinion is valid.

Lastly - the Hoover Windtunnel shown doesn't need a carrying strap (one would imagine it would be more painful carrying a vacuum via a carrying strap anyway) when the main handle to the vacuum can be clearly seen from the front on top of the dust bin.



Post# 293854 , Reply# 14   8/16/2014 at 13:59 (3,538 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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oh no, I've had experience with the T-Series before. it was a decent vacuum for the money, and actually did a good job on carpets, but it also got hot during use. i almost regret giving it away! tongue-out


Post# 293862 , Reply# 15   8/16/2014 at 14:59 (3,538 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        

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Sebo_fan, the only AirSpeed models that have the swirls on the dust cup are the AirSpeed One series. Those vacuums have been getting mixed reviews. Owners say that they are cheaply made, have weak suction etc. One YouTube reviewer stated that the dust cup was VERY HARD to get on and off of the vacuum.

I don't have my Eureka anymore. My dad just gave it to a friend who needs a new vacuum, and can't afford a new one (his wife was about to be laid off). So I can't do any more vs. tests between those vacuums. Both machines clean carpets very well.

Super-sweeper, I've never used a Kirby, but because of the direct-air design, it would out-clean both of my vacuums. However, the attachments are cumbersome to use, because you have to take off the front of the vacuum to attach the hose. Plus, because they are bagged, you have to keep buying bags, which gets expensive. And the direct-air design is vulnerable to large, hard debris, such as rocks, coins or nails. Suck one of those up with a Kirby, and it could kill the machine.

You guys are correct, my Hoover doesn't need a carrying strap, but the hose is really short and it only comes with a short extension wand. Because of that, I can barely reach the ceilings in my house when I hunt for cobwebs. I have to pick up and carry the vacuum to reach the ceilings.

My Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet, which is based on the T-Series, also gets hot during use. One design flaw lies within the cord rewind mechanism. The exhaust air passes through the cord rewind assembly before being blown back out into the air, which results in the cord (any part that remains retracted) getting really hot. This makes me worry about the longevity of the machine. However, I've had the machine for a year, and the cord rewind still works. Plus, it still has the original belt, which is still in very good shape! If only I didn't have the experience with the broken cord clip and the broken dirt cup hinge...

Negative comments aside, I'm still enjoying my Hoover, but it's messy to empty the canister. Although it's dual-cyclonic, the filter gets clogged with hair quickly. It's not a bad vacuum for the money (or for free from Amazon Vine).

Here is a link to the VacBin review of the Eureka AirSpeed One Reach (Target edition of the AirSpeed One).


CLICK HERE TO GO TO niclonnic's LINK


Post# 293889 , Reply# 16   8/16/2014 at 15:25 (3,538 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I was just given a Kirby, it was that rough that had you can't imagine in its bag, half a pair of nail clippers? yes, like 3" long, several coins, a few screws and nails, not little ones. Fan is fine! Go figure.

Post# 293906 , Reply# 17   8/16/2014 at 15:45 (3,538 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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Sitting here still enjoying my Vacuflo central vacuum with Electrolux Quietclean power team. Yes it's cyclonic & no bags to by, just empty the bin once a year...

Post# 293944 , Reply# 18   8/16/2014 at 17:32 (3,538 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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That's exactly what I worried about with my T Series, the cord always got hot while in use. I didn't like to use it for long! You're correct that direct-air rules over bypass, it's far more efficient! Take that Cyclonic Technology! tongue-out

 

Kirby's fans are durable, but not invincible. I've heard horror tales of all the things people find in Kirby bags, one Classic III inhaled LIVE ammunition, i think it was shotgun ammo! it actually fired off inside the fan chamber! it lived to chase dust again! laughing

 

The only people i see having trouble with Kirby's many attachments are the elderly, people who cannot bend or move well, and young people who couldn't care less if their vacuum can shampoo carpets and polish silverware! I have no trouble breaking out attachments, they are a LOT more user friendly than a short stretch hose! laughing


Post# 293946 , Reply# 19   8/16/2014 at 17:47 (3,538 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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its clean enough to be in my house today, after a day in the garage spa, happy as a clam, sounds great, and even better, smells nice NOW

Post# 293966 , Reply# 20   8/16/2014 at 19:24 (3,538 days old) by joshdonnell ()        

If he likes bagless vacuums just let it be.

Post# 293979 , Reply# 21   8/16/2014 at 20:22 (3,538 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Where did you get the idea i was disproving his liking of bagless vacuums? we were talking about direct air V.S clean air, nothing more. there is such a thing as a direct air bagless vacuum if that's where you're getting this from!


Post# 293988 , Reply# 22   8/16/2014 at 21:06 (3,538 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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Oh boy

Post# 294026 , Reply# 23   8/17/2014 at 02:43 (3,537 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

As a shooter and occasionally-reloader-Shotgun shells are too big to enter the Kirby fan chamber.They will be stopped by the motor shaft.And make a loud noise as the shaft rubs against the head of the shell..22 ammo and handgun ammo COULD possibly enter the fan chamber-same with live primers.I do my utmost to keep live primers and ammo off the floor-(primers)they could go off if you stepped on one-makes a loud noise and could hurt your foot.My reloading press has a spent primer catch tray-they fall into this as you decap(removing the spent primer with the sizing die decapper pin)Then your shell is resized to be reloaded.The case expands when fired to fit the gun chamber.Resizing it brings the case back to orig factory specs.Then you can charge the case with powder-then seat the bullet.Yes,small cases and bullets can fall to the floor-they CAN break Kirby or other direct air fans.
But anyway still use my Kirbys-just be careful cleaning your reloading area!Small shotgun pellets aren't good for fans,either-if they get flattened and wedged between the fan blade and fancase-will break the fan-even a tiny shot pellet.Canisters will pick those up OK-non direct air.If the machine can pick up such a pellet-that is agood test.shot pellets are small but heavy.And I don't like vacuuming powder-it is flammable solid.


Post# 294041 , Reply# 24   8/17/2014 at 04:48 (3,537 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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There is no mention at all of "lets compare" never mind the first words uttering a comparison of direct air vs clean air, Super-sweeper and you know that. Your first response further up this thread mentions Kirby as outcleaning them both. Its a bagged vacuum as well. Go figure.

Post# 294073 , Reply# 25   8/17/2014 at 11:24 (3,537 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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What still amazes me is how much dirt is coming out of those carpets. It's obvious that none of the vacuums there are working good. I have never pulled out anything close to that in my house even when I did use a bagless (I thought it wasn't working because very little was in the bin) after my Kirby (the bags lasted a long time & can be bought even at Walmart) & now with the central vacuum the bin is no where near needing to be empty & it's supposed to be done twice a year. Have you ever had those carpets steam cleaned?? Oh & I have a cat...a Maine coon with that said nothing like that filth coming up. I guess people are more messy then others, I'm not & I vacuum maybe once every 2 weeks, if I feel like it every week & live in the country, you all know how dirty things are here in the country.

Post# 294075 , Reply# 26   8/17/2014 at 11:59 (3,537 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Don't be confused by excess dust vs carpet piles.

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The only problem I have had with bagless uprights is that brand new, even when they go over a floor that has just been cleaned with another vacuum, the only thing that gets pulled up is tufts of wool from the carpet. It makes me wonder whether a lot of buyers who become new owners don't realise that the tufts of coloured carpet are actual carpet and not actual dust.

Sellers adore the clear bin idea - they frown on the old selling method of examining what a new vacuum picks up over the old one - but more so since they no longer have to open up the magic cloth that used to show up the excess dirt.

I am not amazed by the dirt collected - simply put I would more amazed if the floor was untouched and left untouched over a set period of time before a new vacuum goes over it. If a vacuum cleaner test goes over carpet that is then walked over by shoes (even socks on feet leave dirt behind) as well as pets walking all over the place, doesn't surprise me that dust will settle.

Another thing that I have noticed is when I have taken videos with my own vacuums, whether or not they are NLOS bagless or bagged, dust hovers in the air and thanks to gravity settles back down on the carpet. Thus adding to the dust for the next vacuuming session later.


Post# 294077 , Reply# 27   8/17/2014 at 12:08 (3,537 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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I was just looking at the colour of the dust & filth & from past experience when it gets that colour it's time to steam clean the carpets. I do love my hoover spin scrub it does a great job & doesn't soak the carpet & no streaks, you should see what comes out of that mess...sand, guck, & other things I had no idea that were in there. I try to do them twice a year & so far have been getting by with once a year & this is light sea foam plush carpet.I am not trying to be mean, that's the farthest thing from my mind I was just wondering if the carpets were ever washed because that does play into how well & what the vacuum will pull up.

Post# 294079 , Reply# 28   8/17/2014 at 12:14 (3,537 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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The bagless vacuum that I was using is a Hoover Windtunnel Air, it was a reconditioned unit (a lot cheaper) at biglots I figure it's bagless & cheap. Now I will say it did hold onto the carpet, has strong suction & the cones are different then the T-series which I also had but it lost suction really fast BUT the filter(s) were clean so I can say there is a big difference...try the windtunnel air & if you don't like it...take it back. It's set up like the thin Dyson which I know you like. Unlike the T-series you can hear the pitch tone gets higher as the filters clog with dust, the air doesn't & when I was finished vacuuming I would take the foam filter outside & clap it against my other had to see how much dust was in there....not a lot but there was some in there. The T-series, forget it that one you would have to wash after each use to keep the suction on it & also it had the green & red filter gauge to tell you when to clean it...that didn't work right either but from the time I turned it on the suction wasn't very good like the air model.

Post# 294081 , Reply# 29   8/17/2014 at 12:18 (3,537 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
I have to say

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It seems that every time I create a new thread in this forum, they drift off into other subjects. I first posted about a comparison between two budget bagless vacuums, then it turned into a discussion about Kirbys.

There is no denying that Kirbys are well made. I agree with you guys, they will out-clean other vacuums. The subject of this thread was to show which vacuum worked better, and the Eureka AirSpeed pulled out more dirt than the Hoover Windtunnel did. Sadly, I don't have the AirSpeed anymore.


Post# 294088 , Reply# 30   8/17/2014 at 12:36 (3,537 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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You shouldn't get so het about other discussions niclonnic - it adds to the topic in question unless some members feel it is their right to talk about something completely different. But as you may see I tried to pull the topic back on course.

As you will see I have not strayed away from discussion about either the Eureka or the Hoover in the test photos you have provided, but it is good to discuss within that the content of the dust pick up.

Marks - were you referring to me about liking Dyson? I can't see anywhere in this thread where I have said I do. I did have the Vax version of the Windtunnel Air - and that has pretty strong force IMHO. That's where I discovered rolls of wool carpet coming up rather than actual dust.

Nic - In regard to your test it is easy to see "which vacuum cleaner cleans better" from the mountains of dust collected in each one, but surely its the Hoover that has picked up more from your photo, not the Airspeed?

What people should be doing to get an even fairer test is plopping said dust on a digital scale and measuring the weight of it. Then you'll get a closer idea of how much dust and stuff each vacuum picks up.


Post# 294092 , Reply# 31   8/17/2014 at 12:41 (3,537 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Let me dispell some myths about Kirby's direct air desig

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Now everyone knows that the Kirby "Direct Air" system is the most effective carpet cleaning system there is, so let's dispell a couple of the negative attributes that many people believe about Kirby's.

 

First off, let's talk about the myth of bags. The Kirby bag is quite large and will take mutch longer to fill up than many bags in some "Bypass air" vacs which are quite small, fill quickly and very expensive as well. The Kirby HEPA bag can be had for as little as $3.00 each and can last from 6 months to a year whereas the small bypass air HEPA bags fill much more quickly and cost as much as $8.00 each. So it is a MYTH that the large Kirby HEPA bags are too inconvient and too expensive.

 

Now let's talk about the Kirby Direct air system. Any Kirby manufactured after 1997 has a fan made of an advanced polymer called Amodel and was designed by Kirby with the aid of NASA. Amodel is found in many places in the construction of the Space Shuttle. This new Amodel fan is almost indestructable and is 300% stronger than Kevlar. The new Amodel fan is not only Bullet proof, it is much stronger than the metal fans that were used in the older Kirby's. It is almost impossible to suck up something that will cause the new Amodel fans to break. The old Horror stories of "I sucked up a Nickel and busted the fan in my Kirby" can now be PUT TO BED! This will most likely never happen to any Kirby with an Amodel fan in it!

 

Hopefully these facts will help to dispell some of the myths of the Kirby Direct air system.

 


Post# 294096 , Reply# 32   8/17/2014 at 12:47 (3,537 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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I was referring to Nick as he said he likes Dyson & the air is similar to it with the cyclones.

Everyone on this thread is trying to help with their experiences & if the subject goes off course just a bit there's no reason for everyone to get bent!

I am speaking for myself & all I want is the best for you with what resources you have to work with. If it means saving up for a better machine then have at it, if you can't wait then get what you will BUT just remember you get what you paid for!

This is like kids room on aol


Post# 294104 , Reply# 33   8/17/2014 at 13:14 (3,537 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I have yet

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to pull that amount of dirt from my carpets in a year heck probably not even 5 years .
How is that possible ? I barely get anything while vacuuming my carpets no matter what machine out of my 400 + collection .


Post# 294113 , Reply# 34   8/17/2014 at 14:16 (3,537 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

"I have yet to pull that amount of dirt from my carpets in a year heck probably not even 5 years . How is that possible ? I barely get anything while vacuuming my carpets no matter what machine out of my 400 + collection"

My "supercharged" EXL Tristar with Ametek 115923 motor & green bristle HPO roller (removed from my Epic 6500SR) has pulled more dirt than that, regardless of which vacuum I use; & I vacuum daily

No wonder why I go thru bag after bag within a 2-week period when vacing with the EXL!


Post# 294115 , Reply# 35   8/17/2014 at 14:21 (3,537 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Erik my carpets are

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spotless I NEVER walk on them with shoes and neither do my guests so when you are not tracking in dirt I guess you can`t pull any dirt out even with you super powerful supercharged EXL .

Dan


Post# 294118 , Reply# 36   8/17/2014 at 14:29 (3,537 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        

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Sebo_fan, yes, it's true that bagless vacuums can pull out lots of fluff from carpets. Another issue with bagless is that dust tends to collect on the OUTSIDE of the vacuum body.

Before Dyson came out, market research showed that people wouldn't be happy with a clear bin for the dust. James Dyson and his team decided to make a clear bin anyway. Now clear bins are everywhere, although they're not all made of the same plastics. My Dyson DC07's bin is made out of polycarbonate, which is a tough plastic that bounces back. My Hoover Windtunnel's dirt cup is made out of plastic that shatters.

Yes, many bagless machines expel dust back into the air, which is the reason why they smell. Now, some higher-end machines, like Dyson, Shark and Miele, utilize completely sealed systems that won't kick dust back into the air.

I don't think anybody read my first post, so here's how the test went:

1. I vacuumed the carpets with the Hoover Windtunnel.

2. I immediately went over the same areas with the Eureka AirSpeed.

3. The mountain of dust on the Eureka paper was what was left in the carpet AFTER using the Hoover.


Post# 294119 , Reply# 37   8/17/2014 at 15:05 (3,537 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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My friend has owned essentially both models there you have. She tried the Hoover for a year, it frustrated her with her dust and hair plugging the cyclones or shroud? She had a Cheap basic Eureka before with washable filter, guess she likes washing it every time, she bought another at Wally, loves it, says it cleans better for her. Nothing specific, but she seems happy.

Post# 294139 , Reply# 38   8/17/2014 at 17:12 (3,537 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Well...

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My Hoover Windtunnel is dual-cyclonic, similar to the Fantoms. Hoover's take on dual-cyclonic technology allows quantities of hair and fluff to pass through and eventually clog the pre-motor filter.

That Eureka is also dual-cyclonic, but Eureka's take on the technology allows lots of fine dust to clog the pre-motor filter.

However, I haven't noticed a decrease in suction with either of these machines.


Post# 294143 , Reply# 39   8/17/2014 at 17:21 (3,537 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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I thought you didn't have the Eureka anymore???

 


Post# 294146 , Reply# 40   8/17/2014 at 17:31 (3,537 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Sebo guy,I see your point. I should've simply wrote that at no point in this conversation had I judged Niclonnic diffrently because of his preference of bagless! laughing


Post# 294147 , Reply# 41   8/17/2014 at 17:48 (3,537 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
No, I don't have the Eureka anymore

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My dad helped his friend move yesterday, and gave them the Eureka AirSpeed because their vacuum just died and they couldn't afford a new vacuum. But hey, it was free from the Amazon Vine program!

Post# 294216 , Reply# 42   8/18/2014 at 06:29 (3,536 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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In reply to your response, Nic in No. 36, bagged vacuums can suffer from dust OUTSIDE of the bag as well. I know my Hoover TTI based Vax VCU02 often has a line of dust on the floor head after a work out in my home.

I am not sure where you are getting your info from regarding a "clear bin for dust" - after all, several dust busters on the market were appearing on the market with clear plastic well before Dyson came to market. Yours truly had a rather faithful Black and Decker for many years, straight from the U.S - and ever since then I am still very faithful to that brand.

I also have the Dyson book, the first edition of the autobiography and Dyson points out that he did have a dark bin when the first bagless uprights appeared but consumers wanted a clear bin. Therefore the first couple of Dysons had dark acrylic as opposed to clear. Evidently you might have the same book if you are quoting polycarbonate versus shattering plastic.

Bagless vacs may expel dust back into the air but that is not why they smell! They smell because most owners don't give a thought to washing out the hose, or the other plastic parts where dust and oils from dirt get ingrained, sit on the machine and the moment air rushes past, takes the odour from it and puts it through the machine.

Even bagged vacuums that have no additional filters built in suffer from this. Those that have high filtration dust bags also suffer eventually if they are used in a home with pets. This is why the charcoal filter was invented - it absorbs the smells on the exhaust when fitted.

But when owners are in a home with pets, it is evident that the scent is hanging around because it is clinging to the bits of plastic that owners don't give much thought about cleaning out. I find this quite often with any second hand Miele parts, spares or even donor machines that may well have had an old charcoal based HEPA or AAC filter fitted to it for most of its life, but still stinks of old dog!


Post# 294275 , Reply# 43   8/18/2014 at 15:27 (3,536 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Bagless and bagged vacuums stink alike, it's not in the design as Sebo guy was saying. The worst is oil from pet hair, that can stick to hoses easily, and STAY there! Some oils can even engrave their 'scents' into cheaper plastics!

 

The clear dust bin goes all the way back to the 1940s. Rainbow invented it as a salesman's demonstration piece. Customers fell in love with the clear bin, and Rainbow started manufacturing all of their new models with clear bins.

 

Worse yet, Rainbow had cyclonic action before James Dyson was even born, all the way back in the 1930s! surprisedlaughing


Post# 294280 , Reply# 44   8/18/2014 at 16:07 (3,536 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Im confused - I thought I had already said that pet hair and associated oil sticks in the plastic.

Worse so, if the airflow has plenty of cracks, and bends on the way through the hose where hair and oil will congeal and stick. I think sometimes brands do that intentionally - make leaky seals - safe in the knowledge that household dust will plug the seals "with common use."


Post# 294288 , Reply# 45   8/18/2014 at 16:49 (3,536 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Interesting facts...

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Sebo_fan, I've never used a bagged vacuum in my home, so I can't offer my thoughts on bagged vacuums.

I learned the clear bin information from Wikipedia. I looked up the Dyson company article, and that's where I got my information. This, in turn, came from an article called "A Clear Bin Policy" on www.jenkins.eu.... I don't have the Dyson book, but I learned about polycarbonate vs. shattering plastic from Dyson's testing videos on Youtube.

Bagless vacuums do have lots of parts that will eventually smell, especially the filters. A single cyclonic bagless vacuum, such as the Bissell Powerforce Helix from Walmart, relies on filters to trap all the fine dust. Cleaning out said filters is a very messy job, since they're packed with dust!

As for charcoal filters, some Hoover vacuums, like my Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet, have a HEPA filter with a layer of charcoal on its exhaust. That helps to get rid of pet odors. There is a rinsable pre-motor filter located above the dust cup, which gets clogged with hair quickly. When vacuuming floors, all the dirt travels through the hose, which when attached properly, has two bends and turns in the dirt path. This hose gets dust and grit stuck in it. I have to unclip the hose and stretch it out (with the vacuum running) to suck whatever's stuck in the hose into the dirt cup.

Super-sweeper, your facts seem like ancient history now! Bagless vacuums became popular in the early '90s. That was before I was born!

Here is a link to the "Clear Bin Policy" article.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO niclonnic's LINK


Post# 294291 , Reply# 46   8/18/2014 at 17:08 (3,536 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Clarification

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I learned about the polycarbonate vs shattering plastic from Dyson's testing videos on YouTube. Sorry, should have proofread the message and spelled YouTube correctly.

Post# 294316 , Reply# 47   8/18/2014 at 21:25 (3,536 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Sebo guy,I was reiterating what you had already said! tongue-out

 

Don't DARE believe those Dyson videos. WHY would they put a video of their own machine failing on the internet? They simply cannot be actual lab tests. Mowing a Dyson over with a Plymouth Fury is a lab test, as long as it's not done by Dyson! It's the same case as that car company that smashed their ugly excuse of a SUV into a Chevrolet Bellaire. The Bellaire had its engine removed, it would never crumple the way it did if it had an engine. If Dysons can barely hold up in average consumer use, why on earth would somebody believe those videos? 

 

-End typical Dyson rant!- 

 

You're right, bagless exploded in the early 1990s with the introduction of the American Fantom and the British Dyson. The days of bagged vacuums became numbered, especially in Britain, where you weren't the talk of the town unless you had a Dyson! Fantom was a more 'Hey this is a cool vacuum but I'm going to buy this Hoover because it's cheaper' case. Fantom didn't send a death-note to bagged vacuums, but rather introduced both competition and new ideas. Soon after, Hoover did experimenting with bagless.first the bagless Elite tragedy, then in 1999, the infamous WindTunnel.Eureka soon jumped in with the Whirlwind, followed by Bissell's infamous Powerforce. Bagless had stolen the market, and bagged cleaners dwindled into smaller manufacturing numbers. Today the market is ruled by the dominance of bagless. Rather it's the Dyson 'Hey neighbor, take that! I just bought the DC238!' Crowd or the Wal-Mart vacuum isle. Where bagged uprights stood proud now stands imported status-symbols.

 

Ok class, that ends my speech for the day. Your Bagless History II quiz is next Friday! Have fun at lunch! laughing


Post# 294321 , Reply# 48   8/18/2014 at 21:39 (3,536 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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