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Thread Number: 26136
Miele - old S5 vs new S6 / S8 |
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| Post# 293071 , Reply# 3 8/11/2014 at 21:01 (3,537 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Here are my thoughts from a Miele owner...
Well, for starters, Miele in other countries differs greatly. In the UK there are no versions available with a power nozzle - you can buy a rechargeable "cordless" power nozzle but Miele would love it if you bought their S7 for that cleaning task.
The Miele S5 in the UK is still selling even though the S8 is supposed to replace it. I own both - an S5211 Red Pearl vacuum and an S8340 Ecoline model. I previously owned an S6 Ecoline model and an S6 standard model. The S5 replaces older Miele S700 cylinder vacs, particularly those with the bigger GN dust bag known as XXL models. The S5 is the old flagship of the Miele vacs and thus it is heavier and has tools that you would hide under a flap on top of the body. It also uses the bigger GN style 4.5 litre dust bag. The S6 was supposed to replace the old compact S4, so it uses the smaller FJM dust bag (3.5 litres) and does NOT have a flap under the top hood to store the tools - the three of them sit on a clip that can be unlocked and either locked in at the hose on the top of the vacuum or behind the handle. Certainly if you want a compact super efficient vacuum, the S6 with its smaller bag will serve you well - and it also features Miele's new auto cord rewind known as "Comfort rewind," that basically requires just a tap ONCE on the pedal and the cord rewinds back in. Personally I wouldn't bother asking anyone in the trade - they will only give you an opinion of what sells and what they might want to sell you! The new S8 is a bit lighter to lift and pull around than the S5 in my opinion. The S8 also benefits from the auto cord comfort rewind function - one touch or tap from the foot means the whole cord goes back into the machine. The S5 requires you to keep your foot on the pedal. Some S8 models also come with a touch longer cord than the S5. Ask me if you want to know more. I am not a dealer, but a true Miele owner. | ||
| Post# 293072 , Reply# 4 8/11/2014 at 21:05 (3,537 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I forgot to add as well - the S6 is lighter to lift than the S5 being much smaller in size.
BUT, Miele also cap their models dependent on the models - the S2 for example uses the same larger bag as the S5 and S8 BUT comes with a shorter hose, shorter power cord length, external clip on tool holder and isn't as well made as either the S5, S6 and S8 in my opinion. I am including this rather funny video that you might have seen before. It reiterates the Miele auto cord rewind pedal, which this man doesn't know he has his hand placed on it and gets rather annoyed that the cord won't stay out... it always gets me in stitches. | ||
| Post# 293134 , Reply# 6 8/12/2014 at 06:45 (3,537 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Consider your home's needs first....
Well it really depends on your needs. If you have a medium to large home, the S5 would be an ideal choice. The S8 is merely a new machine that uses the same design blue print with only a few changes to make life easier - the variable control dial on the S5 AND S6 has been replaced by memory buttons on the S8. I adore that feature. I leave the machine in the second setting most of the time and when I switch it off and use it the next time, the S8 remembers what setting I left the vacuum in.
It isn't really that different to leaving a manual dial in the same selection. The S5 is a bit heavier than the S8 - 7.7kg versus 7.1kg and I found recently that my Miele S8 appears to have a 7.5 metre power cord length from machine main body entrance to the plug. The S5 has 1 metre less of cord stretch. The S6 is lighter than both of them but isn't as well made IMHO as the S5 or the new S8. (Here is where the SEBO K1 series comes in, which is far better than the Miele S6 in terms of build and ease of use). The Miele S6 is also smaller in terms of dust bag capacity and slighter smaller body size. Although I'm a fan of the previous S4, the only thing that the S6 has that I like is the comfort auto rewind pedal. I'm not keen on the external tool holder - some of the tools used to fall off quite regularly either in use, moving the vac around my home and sometimes in storage when I just put the vacuum away and the hose would touch one of the tools, bringing them off the holder. That's the compromise you go with and the S6 doesn't have as many external bumpers to save it from scrapes etc. For overall cleaning satisfaction, both the S5 and S8 are better than the S6 in my opinion. The S8 however is the better deal for me - my home requires multiple cleaning needs. At cost the S5211 was £200 whilst the S8340 cost me £249, paying extra for the tools and the upgraded Active Air Clean filter. Im not sure what the deal is in Italy but in the UK you can buy separate tools and upgradeable filters singularly. | ||
| Post# 293135 , Reply# 7 8/12/2014 at 06:51 (3,537 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Also don't forget the new EU law...
Also this is a great time to consider ANY of Miele's vacuums especially outgoing S8 models because by pricing alone, they SHOULD BE CHEAPER because of the EU law.
Newer models have already been released on the market with a low watt motor. The outgoing 2200 watt models have also been reduced in price somewhat - so you can get a base model S8 with the older higher output motor if you don't mind the threat of "poor efficiency." Im not a fan of these new EU Laws. I can see their value on paper in some respects, but I don't see long term savings to be honest and some of the ratings are far fetched. I can have the lowest appliances in my home, rarely use power and rarely use the heating unless Scotland goes into freezing days (which happens regularly!) and my power bills are always far too high regardless of the efficiency of the appliances. | ||
| Post# 293154 , Reply# 9 8/12/2014 at 13:00 (3,536 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, the UK and U.S are different...
I do wish you'd realise that the U.S is not worldwide in every vacuum cleaner market approach.
Similarly we have very few independent shops now that deal in repair and sales because the overheads to keep a shop open, let alone the cost of spares and hiring staff is no longer cost effective. The Internet has paid to that based on cheaper prices right across the board. In the UK cylinder vacs have also traditionally been sold as a lighter "above the floor" cleaning device. There is no need for any PN floor head. This is where the upright vacuum cleaner comes in. Furthermore, and thanks to my handle-name on here, at least SEBO sell cylinder vacuums with an electric power nozzle for buyers in the UK and worldwide. As the owner of the K3 Premium, I haven't had a problem with the electric handle or the slider control in the 7 or so years I have owned that model. A known problem with SEBO are the pigtail plugs that go between the handle and the connection plug. In time that will surely be resolved - but nope, I have never had a problem with the handle or the controls on the handle, and very few other owners who have reported online seem to have a problem with the handle's controls, either. Good for you on having people in the trade who don't rip you off, however. I can't speak for the same in the UK. Too many sellers who don't know what they are selling and half the time don't really care, unless they make a sell is an aspect that happens all the time in UK franchises. One also has to bear in mind, that whilst you may well have a good repairer or seller who won't rip you off, you can't exactly speak for the many Average Joe customers who walk into a shop looking for a vacuum cleaner. Not all sellers have a pessimistic view, but not all sellers are honest either. | ||
| Post# 293183 , Reply# 11 8/12/2014 at 16:18 (3,536 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Its that way in any kind of business.
Um not quite.
Realistically that may have happened before the age of the Internet. Nowadays buyers seldom visit a retailer FIRST. Most of the world are in a recession. The auction sites are making lots of money from this, as are Gumtree/Craigslist etc. Buyers know the phrase "mark up" and "cost effective" now. They weren't aware of those phrases twenty years ago. Lots of sellers try the little dance, but most UK consumers have been taught to haggle. If they don't haggle then they don't get their way. Others don't stand for the high sale tactics. One aspect that I will agree on is that because of the Internet, online reviews do boost individual opinions, but not all change the minds on buyers decisions. Some do and some don't.. Some can't be bothered to read a worded review or watch a video. But at the same time with the way that the Internet rapidly eliminates wasting time in a shop listening to sales patter, buyers are no longer being allowed to be conditioned into what they should be using as a vacuum cleaner in the home. | ||
| Post# 293307 , Reply# 15 8/13/2014 at 12:13 (3,536 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh well done on the S5 purchase!
Polvere - As far as I know the S5 has always been made in Germany. Only a few S4 models were made in China and they're the predecessor of the S6..
Hope you enjoy the S5212; it's a great model and has everything you will need on board. It is heavier than the S6 but at least you benefit from a bigger dust bag that should last 2 to 3 months or even longer dependent on the dust in your home. As for you, DT - you aren't catching my drift either. Even when I lived in some British cities, finding a reliable repairer was difficult. They have moved out and most have moved on, only some independents offering repairs on more modern vacs like Dyson because that's what is popular. Not all UK cities lack independent repairers of course, but depending on the brand you buy, some models are easy to repair yourself depending on the fault. | ||
| Post# 293316 , Reply# 17 8/13/2014 at 12:59 (3,535 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well I tell you what DT, since you seem to think you know everything including shops and seller/repairers in the UK, Find me a UK independent repairer who can sell me or at least repair my old Hoover Junior 1346A with the requirement of the same soft bag that it originally came with. I bet you'll find it difficult.
Similarly, many owners of existing old vacuums would find it even harder to find spares WITHOUT auction sites like EBAY and others that offer components that can lengthen the service life. Maybe I don't need advice, but it is not up to you to question whether I do or don't. | ||
| Post# 293503 , Reply# 19 8/14/2014 at 08:01 (3,535 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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