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Post# 291395   8/1/2014 at 00:50 (3,553 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

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Look carefully at the image of the data plate. It is fuzzy and upside down but does it not say "Made in China"? WTH?


Post# 291413 , Reply# 1   8/1/2014 at 05:56 (3,553 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Looked at the picture again-think the nameplate is on the Power nozzle part and not the vacuum itself.I have one that was made in Korea.

Post# 291455 , Reply# 2   8/1/2014 at 12:58 (3,553 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

You are correct. Good eye! Still, considering all the flag waving that company does it is surprising to see.

Post# 291458 , Reply# 3   8/1/2014 at 13:10 (3,553 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Riccar/Simplicity are assembled in the USA now, this was not always the case. Uprights have been assembled here longer and canisters more recently. You will find older models made in South Korea and accessories made in China. Even today, they are assembled in the USA of 'globally sourced' parts.


Post# 291459 , Reply# 4   8/1/2014 at 13:11 (3,553 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

that's a nice looking vacuum. Tom Gasko could likely explain when Tacony moved production of the canisters to the US. I don't know which components are sourced and which are made in the US. I do know that Tacony employs a lot of people in St James, Missouri to assemble vacuums. Hopefully as they introduce newer models they will incorporate more US produced parts. I applaud Tacony for investing in Tom's vacuum cleaner museum.

Post# 291467 , Reply# 5   8/1/2014 at 14:17 (3,553 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

The vacuum in that ad looks like a current production model Impeccable Premier or Immaculate Premier canister. The original price mentioned in the ad makes me think it is the former. How long has that vacuum been in production for it to have been insourced recently? Are the powered brushes still sourced from China perhaps?

Post# 291554 , Reply# 6   8/2/2014 at 03:39 (3,552 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have two of these vacs-will have to look on their powernozzles to where the powernozzles were built.Just remember the canisters were built in Korea.Got both from the former Riccar dealer that was here.The owner died and his widow passed the machines and other ones to me.The models were 1700 and 1800.The 1700 is blue and the 1800 is "copper" like in the picture.Mine were the older stock-be fore they were built in US.Beleive Daewoo built the machines before.They are a major Korean manufactuerer-they built all kinds of things.From guns to machine tools to electronics.

Post# 291567 , Reply# 7   8/2/2014 at 06:03 (3,552 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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Rex, Daewoo also builds cars too, believe it or not! But GM bought the division back a few years ago, thinking around 2007-2008? I remember seeing the Chevrolet Aveo compact cars showing up here in Canada, with the info sheet on the side saying "Daewoo Motor & Technology Corp, South Korea". So whenever the Aveo started production, GM must have bought them the year before & then started preparing for the Aveo's production. Daewoo tried launching their own cars here in Canada, remember seeing the Daewoo Lanos on the streets the odd time, but I don't think they were particularly successful.

Rob


Post# 291571 , Reply# 8   8/2/2014 at 06:44 (3,552 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Yes,thats right forgot cars-Daewoo builds just about everything!

Post# 291589 , Reply# 9   8/2/2014 at 10:27 (3,552 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

I know Daewoo. They are one of these big Asian conglomerates, the Koreans call theirs "chaebol", like Mitsubishi or Kawasaki that make everything from big ships to railway equipment (the subways in Singapore for example run cars made by Kawasaki) to aircraft to cars and trucks to home appliances. Heck, I remember when I was stationed on Diego Garcia back in the mid 1980's (now there is a real garden spot, NOT!) living in a Porta-Camp building in E-Circle complete with open air showers (and you never knew if the Philippina maid would decide to mop out your shower stall while you showering, WTF?, of course those Philippina chicks have seen it all) that the canned tuna sold in the Ships Store wasn't Star Kist or Chicken of the Sea, it was branded Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi canned tuna.

I have a Simplicity S24 coming and it's data tag shows it was made in Korea. So much for the flag waving.


Post# 291594 , Reply# 10   8/2/2014 at 10:56 (3,552 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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It was made in 2006. BEFORE manufacturing of the Top of the Line canisters was brought back to the USA.

Post# 294424 , Reply# 11   8/19/2014 at 16:55 (3,534 days old) by CAVacTech ()        

Like others have said, Riccar's full size canisters (Impeccable and immaculate)as well as their uprights and full size powerheads are all made in Missouri. I've talked to some reps who have also indicated they are looking to bring production of their smaller machines to the US as well.

Post# 294438 , Reply# 12   8/19/2014 at 18:53 (3,534 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
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No offense, but who cares if the body of the canisters is formed in America & assembled here if they are still using Chinese motors & circuit boards inside? Considering the full-size canisters sell for about the same as what a German-made Miele canister vacuum sells for, NO WAY would I choose a Tacony canister! I'll support a German company ANY DAY before I support a company that sources components from China! If I wanted a China vacuum....and I do have a couple in my collection....I would just go to Wal-Mart.

Rob


Post# 294479 , Reply# 13   8/19/2014 at 23:18 (3,534 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
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I found this video showing a motor repair for the Wertheim 4410. This is the same vacuum as the Riccar Starbright, Charisma & Pristine, comes from King Clean in China, just a different name on it. You can see how cheaply made the canister is. And that's not just my opinion, the vac shop owner repairing the vacuum even says it in the video! This video also proves that Riccar uses Chinese made motors & components for their canisters, despite Tom Gasko claiming otherwise in the past.

Rob


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Post# 294489 , Reply# 14   8/20/2014 at 01:26 (3,534 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

As has been said so many times, only the top of the line, full sized canisters are assembled in the US. Nobody, especially not Tom Gasko, has ever claimed otherwise, nor has there been a claim that they don't contain Chinese or other Asian made parts. Kirbylux77, you seem to delight is stirring this subject up and attempting to bash Tacony and Tom by making statements that simply are not true. You claim Tom has made claims about these mid sized canisters that have never been made, you attempt to damage his reputation and it is just plain petty.


Post# 294505 , Reply# 15   8/20/2014 at 06:27 (3,534 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I have no

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Idea why he is allowed to stay in this site always bashing people and vacuum companies .
It's really annoying how he is so nasty yet is allowed to post here when ever he wants ???

Dan


Post# 294514 , Reply# 16   8/20/2014 at 09:15 (3,534 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Sure if you read the fine print Tacony acknowledges components are sourced internationally, but that is the fine print. The ad hype from them leaves a less critical consumer with the very strong impression the entire vac is American made. It's not outright fraud, but it's not entirely honest either. Putting American flag themed stickers on machines assembled in Korea, as I have seen, is to me thoroughly dishonest. Tacony draws this sort of criticism by waving the flag so vigorously. They are counting on customers not being critical. It's their tough luck that some of us are. Don't hold it against someone when they call Tacony's BS, which is what it is.

Harley Davidson is just as bad about waving the flag touting how American their bike is while packing them with foreign sourced components, and while Levis uses all kinds of American iconography in their ads touting their California Gold Rush heritage, they don't have a single US assembly plant. I won't buy from them for any reason because they so blatantly misrepresent what they sell. They are shameless liars and Harley only somewhat less so. Wrangler and others don't stoop to this level so while they might not be any more American than Levis, at least they are not lying in their ads.


Post# 294516 , Reply# 17   8/20/2014 at 09:37 (3,534 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
You guys must not

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Live in the US almost EVERY product that says Built in the US has globally sourced parts .

Tacony touts the truth and employs MANY Americans who live in the USA they are a great company I used to sell them in my store and will once again when I decide to go back in business plus I own MANY
Tacony products which are quality products held to the highest standards please get your
facts correct and stop bashing a WONDERFUL vacuum company !!!

Dan


Post# 294532 , Reply# 18   8/20/2014 at 10:48 (3,534 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

So we have a sales person upset that some potential consumers are critical of his product and maybe don't believe some of the advertising for that product. It's a perfectly healthy situation. Consumers should be critical and ad hype is almost never to be believed fully. Just because some sales person says it doesn't make it true.

Most of the world haggles price. The US is one of the very few places where people just pay the price on the tag. If you are going to sell something to the public you have to have a tough hide and not dismiss the criticisms of protential customers. Getting mad at consumers because they express doubts about the veracity of ad hype isn't going to help you sell your product. Believe me it won't. Putting little American flag themed stickers on vacuums that say Made in Korea on the data plate isn't helping the cause either. You see something like that and nothing else the firm or the seller can say will be fully believed. Sorry, just the way it is.


Post# 294538 , Reply# 19   8/20/2014 at 11:10 (3,534 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Miss Walton needs to learn that Mexico is in NORTH AMERICA just like she is. Ametek (lamb electric) is the current supplier of motors to Tacony.

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Post# 294539 , Reply# 20   8/20/2014 at 11:26 (3,534 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Tom Gasko

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from Tacony just put you all in your places go somewhere else and bash please .
I really think you all bash because you could never afford a new Tacony vacuum .

Dan


Post# 294576 , Reply# 21   8/20/2014 at 16:46 (3,533 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Goodness me, look at you all.

End of the day so what if components are made in China? At least you have a vacuum cleaner, and quite a lot of vacuums in the U.S that we unlucky ones in the UK don't get to see.





Post# 294590 , Reply# 22   8/20/2014 at 17:31 (3,533 days old) by vackid (Pennsylvania)        

So coming from another Tacony retailer, lets take a look at the FACTS. Tacony has never touted that their entire machines are made in the US, one of the reasons for this, as explained to me by one of the executives of Tacony, a lot of products needed to make those machines CANNOT be sourced from the United States. Cords was the example used because all copper production is in China and they couldn't find a cord manufacturer in the US to make them cords. The only factories still making motors for Lamb in the US is making specialty central vacuum motors, leaving no other motor manufacturers left in the US to make them. The last belts that were used on the uprights were sourced from another country, Tacony then found out about a manufacturer that could make them in the US, in the state of Indiana I believe, and that is who is now producing the belts for Tacony. They very proudly print on ever belt "Made in the USA". Tacony goes to great lengths to make the machines as American as possible, and even for those machines that they do not produce in St. James, if you were to ever tour the factory (I've been to it 3 times) there is an inspection line where every machine is inspected and tested for absolute quality down to the very last detail. This cannot be said for the similar machines you were comparing them to.

The products that are shipped into our stores that have the USA made stickers on them are the full line of uprights, that includes Maytag, Riccar or Simplicity, The Riccar Full-Sized power nozzle and Mid-Sized power nozzle and Premium Full Sized Canisters. The Mid, Compact, and Sub-Compact machines do not have a USA made sticker on them, only the power nozzle has the sticker and any reputable dealer will explain the differences to the consumer. I certainly do in our stores. Just like with the MD and Vacuflo central vacuums we sell and install.

Here's my personal opinion, If I, as a consumer had the choice to support a company that employed 150 people, just in production, who otherwise wouldn't have jobs, i would choose to support that company. Because what some people don't understand is it's not just those 150 people working in the assembly factory who have jobs, its the 50 that work at the belt manufacturing plant, the Fed-Ex Truck driver who delivers the pallet of Riccar's to the dealers doorsteps, the marketing agency that provides the POP (Point of Purchase) for Tacony so it's dealers can spread the word about their product, the ad rep for the radio, newspaper and tv stations who are calling on Tacony dealers to advertise the products. It's not just 150 people who assembly those machines who benefit from a USA made product, it spans further than anyone can even imagine, Because those people who are getting a paycheck from Tacony, are going and spending it in town, at the grocery store in St James and at the beauty salon in New Jersey, next to one of their shipping facilities, just to name a few. That money is then going into that store owner's pocket, who then pays his employees, who goes and spends it at other places, who knows, maybe they even go to buy a Riccar, Simplicity or Maytag vacuum.

So here's my question, would you rather Tacony ship all manufacturing overseas and all that remains is a call center like Hoover, Dirt-Devil, Eureka, Sanitaire and Royal or would you rather have a company that supports US Job growth and the US Economy? I'm not saying Tacony is the perfect brand, because no vacuum will ever be, but until you actually tour the factory and see just what a difference that company makes in it's surrounding communities, I think some of you would have a change of attitude.


Post# 294612 , Reply# 23   8/20/2014 at 18:11 (3,533 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
You are one

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Amazing smart young man .

I really think those bashing Tacony are really non vacuum experts who might own
a couple of vacuums and think they know the entire vacuum industry as many of us
actually do .

I for one have over 40 years experience with ALL vacuums makes and models and actually
own almost every brand made over 400 vacuums to be exact . When you can own and actually fix or at
least take them apart to learn about how they tick then you can be an expert .

Plus anything made in China can be of high quality it all depends what the manufacturer is willing to pay .

Dan


Post# 294615 , Reply# 24   8/20/2014 at 18:15 (3,533 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
he might

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be "amazing and smart" but he also bullies the disabled.

Post# 294629 , Reply# 25   8/20/2014 at 18:51 (3,533 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Dan, you can be a good guy at times, but doubting the economical status of fellow VacuumLanders doesn't sound like a smart idea.

 

D.T, I hate to say it, but it's a lot harder than it used to be to have an all-american company. I agree to the above point of supporting those American jobs by investing in the Maytag brand. Think of all the American jobs the Tacony corporation keeps in business, jobs that we could've easily lost to foreign lands. Honestly, if i had a vacuum company i would make what i could not find an american supplier for in my own factory. Hoover used to do this, it was always cool having your vacuum's brand stamped into the custom-cord! But for now, there's plenty of Country-Supporting in Tacony, maybe one day it'll proudly put 'Made in the U.S.A" on all it's vacuum lines! laughing


Post# 294635 , Reply# 26   8/20/2014 at 19:28 (3,533 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Well Alex

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Maybe if they'd stop bashing a great company and know the facts I wouldn't have said that .

I am tired of vacuum bashing I detest Dyson but never make a thread to bash them that's my personal
preference and is kept to myself .

Dan


Post# 294653 , Reply# 27   8/20/2014 at 20:20 (3,533 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I understand your pain towards them for bashing a fine company, but I don't see how that automatically translates to doubting one's income. I don't start threads bashing brands, and i try not to start wars, I usually only bash in Dyson, but only with facts and evidence, not spreading lies and incorrect information. i state my opinion, my experience, my factual knowledge whenever i can.


Post# 294712 , Reply# 28   8/20/2014 at 23:50 (3,533 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Until recently Lux could make a legitimate claim to being all American. Two of their machines still can. Kirby always could and doesn't stick little American flag themed stickers on their stuff. They don't need to.

Tacony, well, putting those American flag themed stickers on Korean made machines lost my respect. It's not honest. I'm not apologizing for that opinion either and I am not sorry if that offends some.

I paid cash for my home and all of my rental properties. I don't need to prove anything to anybody. I don't need my day job but I get to see and do cool stuff at work that I could never do anyplace else so I go to work as the sun rises or before in the winter months and do hard to do things for our Navy. Our base has a great history of innovative weaponeering. I'm thrilled to be part of that. The money is only secondary. I'd pay good money to see (and feel!) some of the things I get to experience at my day job.


Post# 294744 , Reply# 29   8/21/2014 at 06:54 (3,533 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
It's VERY

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Obvious DT doesn't know how to read or only reads what he wants .

P.S Kirby puts an American flag on the box the Kirby comes in even though
many parts are globally sourced .

Dan


Post# 294778 , Reply# 30   8/21/2014 at 13:08 (3,533 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

To be honest I have never seen a new Kirby vacuum. I think I have maybe seen two Kirbys of any vintage in my whole life, one farily beat G at a thrift shop and another well used example for sale in vacuum shop. I don't know anybody who has one, or any other expensive vac for that matter. The thrift store Electrolux Epic 8000 I bought is the one and only Electrolux I have ever seen.

As for Taconly products I have only seen the mid priced Korean stuff with the little US flag stickers. That is what turned me off to Tacony. It has this American made sticker on it but you flip it over and it says Made in Korea (Made in China on the floor brush). Maybe some stuff really is made here but don't try to misrepresent a Korean made vacuum as being US made. That's bull crap. Like we say in the Navy, one awshit cancels all attaboys. If they can be phoney about that, what other misrepresentations can they tell? I don't want to feel like I have to visit the plant and take their effing product apart to see if it really is made here. I don't trust them now, never will. You can do what you want with your money and have whatever opinion you care to have. You don't have to like my opinion of Tacony. I don't care. The Desert Tortoise has a thick, hard, sun baked shell.


Post# 294800 , Reply# 31   8/21/2014 at 16:24 (3,532 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
kirbyloverdan,

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Obviously you enjoy bashing other members as much as we like bashing Tacony. Everyone has their own opinion, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply. Don't complain about others "bashing brands", because you are doing the exact same thing. My Kirby will put your Tacony machine to shame any day.


Post# 295559 , Reply# 32   8/27/2014 at 00:04 (3,527 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND)        

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Tacony doesn't put the stickers on any of the machines not assembled in America... The dealer has stickers they can put on whatever they choose to... It is their property.

Tacony puts the stickers on what they assemble here. When the machines come in, the boxes are opened and kitted with an assembled in America power nozzle... The boxes don't have the sticker on them, only the power nozzle. The boxes the machines are shipped in are very clear where the product is coming from. Even CarpetPro machines say Made in China, underneath it says Another fine product from Tacony...

Something else to keep in mind... Tacony owns most of the companies that do their production. They own the company in China and they own Truvox... They are still recovering from the company that ripped off the Pristine Molds which is why they are bringing out the Prima and the Wonder.

The last little bit, when Tacony started their dealings with Ametek / Lamb, the motors were made in America... Tacony didn't force them to move to Mexico or China, they did that on their own... Tacony chose to stay with Mexican-Sourced. They are at least still in North America... Also the Central Vacs are made in Canada... Still North America.. and they are fitted with an American Made power nozzle.



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