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Thread Number: 25769
New 2014 Vax Air total home - I am speechless |
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| Post# 289149 7/17/2014 at 09:30 (3,564 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
Couple of days ago, I was browsing the argos site as you do when you are waiting in the doctors, when I noticed the new eco Vax air was in stock (albeit at £299.99). I posted a thread about this when I saw it and the new brush design really intrigued me. So when I got home, I ordered it, as I had just sent back a Bissell Powerglide lift-off, which was okay, but the awkward swivel neck and leaking dust bin put me off, despite the fact it had good agitation and nice suction.
So I wanted a bagless upright, so I have a bagged and bagless machines. My biggest problem with bagless machines isn't as much the emptying, but the silent around the dust cup, as when the dirt spins around on multicycolonic systems especially, the dust finds its way between the rubbers if they are poor quality, and gathers on the outside of the bin. Nasty. I had a Vax powerhead cylinder not so long ago. Although that was very poor on carpet performance, it had excellent sealing and a brilliant multicyclonic system. The filter didn't discolour when I used it for the first time, which was good. So I ordered one yesterday, and it arrived about 2 hours ago. Now because this is such a new product, it isn't even on the Vax website, I had very little information to go on. No wattage rating, and no air watts. All argos says about it at the moment is it received an A rating across the board on the new EU regulations which measure noise levels, pick up performance on hard flooring and carpets, energy usage and exhaust emissions (not it's not a car) for the filtration. I have to say, that is a very good idea as it will increase competition by displaying performance stats against other cleaners, helping people who are buying a cleaner to be able to make a more accurate choice. More on this later. So I unboxed it, only had to pop in the now aluminium, non-painted handled (big improvement over the original air) un-wound the longest lead I have ever seen on an upright (longer than the felix), plugged it in and that's where I started to seriously be impressed. I do not know what wattage this cleaner is but it sounds like no other cleaner I have used. It is so quite! It sounds like a high pitched motor being used next door, the noise is very suppressed. The motor in the head is noisier and actually louder than the suction motor, but it is a very pleasant sound, and sounds powerful, which it is, and probably only more noticeable because the suction motor is so quite. It sounds really, really nice. This head is fantastic. No grills on the sole plate! VERY stiff bristle, as stiff as the sebo felix. It vibrates the carpet, grooms it as well as the felix, if not better. The suction though, it is incredible! It is so powerful, when pulling it back across any carpet, it lifts the two rear wheels off the ground! I cant use it on my lightweight mats in the bathroom as it glues itself so well to the floor, its stop spinning the brush and it thinks its jammed! I don't mind that as I can use the turbo brush, which is the most powerful I have ever used, and the most innovative. Look at the picture and you will see it has small rubber fingers which attract the hair. It sound like a jet taking off. It is brilliant! It picks up everything, like EVERYTHING in one pass. It gives you a workout, it is so powerful! The suction at the end of the hose is comparable to a felix with a new bag but they have mastered sealing the suction at the head. It is very light to carry. It is apparently 5.3KG, that is lighter than my cat who is nearly 7 (bless him, he isn't fat, he is just very big, like a lynx) The 3 in one tool is a usual affair from Vax these days, and is very good. Nicely shaped crevice tool, a flat design upholstery tool and a soft dusting brush. It also comes with a low profile flexible crevice tool which I found a use for straight away, getting the cats toy fish from underneath the TV stand which it sucked onto nearly immediately. The seal around the dust cup it brilliant, not a spec of dust on the outside, and the filtration is brilliant. It's only 1 litre, but im sure it compresses the dirt as you fill up, as when I started, it spun it up like candy floss (cotton candy for our transatlantic cousins) but as I kept cleaning, it got smaller and more compressed. Look at the fine dust it collected! And I cleaned with the felix yesterday morning ! The cable is longer than the felix as well. I plugged it on downstairs, did the stairs and all upstairs and still had slack in the cable, couldn't do that with the felix. It is quitter than the felix, and lighter. Build quality is very nearly as good, not quite as good in places, but the difference is negligible and feels like a quality product. 6 year guarantee as well. This looks like an evolution from the original air. Apparently there is an eco air 3 max with, I would hate to imagine ever more power, and a swivel neck, but this is plenty powerful enough for this household. I really can not find much to fault this cleaner on. I would imagine that price is going to come down, or if this proves popular, it may not. It is certainly worth £300. It comes with nearly every tool you can think of, amazing on hardfloors with he soft brush strip at the head, it is light weight, immensely powerful, great filtration, quite, well made, and its a vax. Vax went stagnant a few years ago but recently, with the launch of the air cordless and these models, there is no reason why you would by a dyson or any other branded bagless. Honestly. I am amazed. | ||
| Post# 289151 , Reply# 1 7/17/2014 at 09:43 (3,564 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 289155 , Reply# 3 7/17/2014 at 09:48 (3,564 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Just read your post about the wattage. I wonder if it has a 700 watt suction motor and a 120 watt brush motor. | ||
| Post# 289160 , Reply# 5 7/17/2014 at 09:57 (3,564 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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I thought that as well about the decibel rating. I think they combine the suction and head motor, and like I said, the brush motor is noisy and probably brings it up to 86, but the pitch is quite high but it is very suppressed. Either way, it really it not noisy. Also the brush when it spinning on carpets makes a noise, like the felix, beating the carpet.
I hear you when you say argos may reduce the price but I bought something from them earlier in the year about just over two weeks later they had knocked £120 of it, I phoned them up just out of curiosity and they refunded me the difference. Apparently there is something written in the sales of goods act, don't know why rule or law it is, but if a product gets reduced by a certain percentage within 28 of purchase, the retailer has to reimburse you. It is something which isn't advertised or promoted for obvious reasons. | ||
| Post# 289161 , Reply# 6 7/17/2014 at 10:01 (3,564 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Yes. That is one thing I did love about the lift off. Some scattered cat litter usually goes on our kitchen mat when the cat cleans his paws and I used the Bissell and couldn't believe how much it was shaking it, so much it bounced the dirt onto the cleaner head, a couple of inches away. The vax isn't quite as aggressive but it does shake the dirt as much as the felix.
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| Post# 289163 , Reply# 7 7/17/2014 at 10:13 (3,564 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
I really want the www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/pa.... it looks fantastic I'm happy that you like you vax it definitely looks very good
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| Post# 289167 , Reply# 8 7/17/2014 at 11:01 (3,564 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Thanks for sharing. This certainly looks like an impressive machine. Nice to hear the performance is still there with a lower wattage motor. We've all been saying for YEEEAAARRSS that you don't need a gazillion watts and these new cleaners are really proving that, with Vax at 700w and Numatic at 580w.
Really looking forward to trying one of these out at some point. | ||
| Post# 289170 , Reply# 9 7/17/2014 at 11:26 (3,564 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Dont want to burst your bubble but...
As an owner of the original orange one (Mach Air) and then the Reach model, which is still IMHO the best one going and still eco efficient for the moment at 1200 watts (better now that it has been reduced to £99 at Argos), I quite liked your intro about this new Vax upright.
However, I never liked the Dyson copied slide down and lock 3 in 1 cleaning tool and its a pity to see this new Vax is still saddled with a similar one. The problem I found largely was the other side of the "cup like" upholstery tool that really isn't as useful as a flat Miele tool, or Hoover's flat tool with the new TeliosPlus or indeed SEBO's T shaped tool. Judging by your photos, Oli - can I assume that the acrylic cover no longer comes off the top like the Vax Mach Air & Reach models? Or do they have clips like the old models? They have a pull up push down clip either side that allows instant access that unlocks the clear cover to clean off the brush roll. Clearly, what Vax have offered up here is a good model for eco-efficiency led buyers BUT ALSO seems to mimic the original design of the Hoover Windtunnel Air that TTI offer in the U.S etc. Their original model for example has the hose coming down and locking onto the left hand front compared to the rear hose on our Vax branded models. I think it will be a massive seller based on its wattage and cleaning ability. I'm glad you brought it to the attention of the forum members. | ||
| Post# 289174 , Reply# 10 7/17/2014 at 11:43 (3,564 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England) | ||
Not bad. Not bad at all, looks the part! To me it appears to be slightly pricey, but I am a Northener after all!
Thank goodness someone else is working on bringing wattages down. As Vax are becoming increasingly popular I think it's great they've acted quite early on.
If I was James Dyson I'd be getting worried. After all, they sell more Vax's than Dyson's nowadays. | ||
| Post# 289176 , Reply# 11 7/17/2014 at 12:03 (3,564 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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@Suction selector - Yes, it is pricey, but put it this way, it's not as over priced as some bagless machines we could mention, besides which, this is very new machine. I guess that's a novelty of sorts. Like I said, if it gets reduced within a months time, I can claim the price difference, which is good. Amazon are the only people who will tell you this, I am told.
@Turbo500 - yes. I had use it already and found out how good it was, and then looked at the sticker on the machine and found it was 820, and as sensortronic pointed out, it may very well be a 700watt motors, with a 120 watt brush roll motor. Just used it to do the conservatory which we have relatively dense pile hardwearing carpet, and the other spare rooms and I am sweating, eww I know, but this thing sticks to the floor like nothing I have used before. | ||
| Post# 289377 , Reply# 12 7/18/2014 at 11:27 (3,563 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 289411 , Reply# 13 7/18/2014 at 16:37 (3,563 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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I like that sound of that sticking to the floor! And stiff bristles! OMG I am so buying one :O | ||
| Post# 289453 , Reply# 15 7/19/2014 at 03:07 (3,562 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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@sebofan - This sticks to the floor on nearly all the carpets I have used but because the cleaner Is so light, it is easy to drag backwards. Going forward it is very easy as there are two large-ish roller on the front which help things. If I remember rightly the original mach air had quite small ones.
Also, this head sticking may be to do with the opening on the head being quite thin, concentrating the suction even more. No bad thing what-so ever and it proves to be very effective. It doesn't stick on hard flooring but makes a very good seal. As you can see just about on the picture of the floor head, there is a strip of very soft bristles, sort of the same softness as those brushes you could buy to clean vinyl's a few years ago. This obviously helps to sweep the floor but also means not dirt is left behind. Hard floor performance is the best I have seen on a vacuum with no additional attachments for hard floors. @parwaz786 - This machine is very quite, but indeed the noisiest part of this cleaner it the brushroll motor and hearing the brush agitate on the floor. You can certainly hear this over the suction motor. All together, when using the cleaner with the brushroll on, its probably a fraction quieter than the sebo, although the 86dB doesn't suggest that, as sensortronic pointe out, this may also be to do with the pitch of the sound, but what I can hear, (and there is nothing wrong with my hearing touch wood) it is one of the quietest cleaners I have used, especially when using suction only. The brushroll motor sound very beefy, not like the shark/MR navigator series brushroll motors which whine. Long time since I used a DC07 or DC14, but the suction on this isn't quite as good as them, it is more or less the same as a felix with a new bag, that's the best way I can describe it. Perfectly adequate for any household to be honest. It picks up everything in one pass, partially thanks to the bar less soleplate. | ||
| Post# 289610 , Reply# 16 7/20/2014 at 19:13 (3,561 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I like this new design by Vax/Hoover but...
Thing is, I would never compare a cordless upright with any mains power vacuum, let alone a SEBO Felix, which you forget has two motors, one for the PN and the other suction motor...
I do understand your excitement though. I was the same when I bought my first Vax Mach Air and the secondary Reach model but those are corded mains power vacs compared to something cordless. I wasn't that impressed with the Vax's inability to go flat to the floor for cleaning though. Also I have had a look at the underside of the old Vax Mach Air and the smaller wheels by the brush roll aren't that much of a difference compared to this new cordless upright. I would suspect that if Vax have redesigned the sole plate to be a great deal flusher, thus allowing the vacuum to STICK to a floor, then in time this kind of force of suction will either weaken the battery on board because of the brush roll friction and suction working at the same time or the brute force that may be required to push the vacuum along. On the other hand, whilst you are perfectly entitled to make any comparisons you wish, bear in mind that if there is any competitor which springs to mind in which this new Vax cordless upright actually rivals, then it surely must be any one of the newer cordless stick vacs that are coming out, and have come out already - Bosch Athlet for example as well as AEG's updated Ergorapido and the Gtech AirRam. What Vax have brought out here is a better alternative - not determined by the brush roll or performance but rather outright design - the airflow is going to be wider than the narrower, smaller suction channels on both the AEG models and the new Bosch Athlet. Everything on the Vax is bigger including the dust bin capacity AND a full size HEPA filter. Thus in turn, the wider channel isn't likely to clog up long term compared to those narrower stick vacs and the Vax also comes with a rather handy long extension hose - something that traditional cordless stick vacs appear to lack, except in some cases dependent on the design for the owner to lift out a cordless dust buster, which may well be a lot heavier than a stretch hose alone. | ||
| Post# 289667 , Reply# 17 7/21/2014 at 05:30 (3,560 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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@sebo_fan - I think you are getting confused here. You keep mentioning cordless uprights, this vax is corded, it is not the air cordless. It has a very long power bale, don't actually know the stats but it is longer than the felix.
And I don't really know the complete science as to why this vacuum sticks to the floor so well, but I used my felix a couple of days ago and actually found it harder to push backward and forwards than this vax, even though the felix doesn't stick to the floor as much. I always thought the felix is the ultimate in cleaning performance for vacuums priced around £200 - £300, but this vax is seriously making me think. It is so powerful, it is genuinely brilliant machine. I will be getting the air silence powerhead when that comes out, as judging by the photos, the air silence powerhead (newly designed) looks similar to the this model, but it has the suction channel in the middle with a chevron style brush (I think that's what it is) where the bristles "scoop" the dirt and debris into the channel of suction. I have a feeling the cylinder will also be more powerful, as the total wattage for this air model is 820, meaning the suction motor on this air might be around 700, with this efficiency, and extra 80 watts may make a noticeable difference. Vax still have excess power wattage to use for other models, if that makes sense. | ||
| Post# 289691 , Reply# 18 7/21/2014 at 12:46 (3,560 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ah, sorry I thought you bought the cordless one!!
Oh well. Good luck with your new CORDED Vax! lol I'd have bought the Reach model though. I consider the Felix as an excellent all rounder, but I wouldn't say it is the ultimate. I think something ultimate may come eventually from Germany but not just yet. The Felix is a good one though - I much prefer pushing it than the Vax Mach Air Reach - all because it has those 4 height adjustments. | ||
| Post# 289714 , Reply# 19 7/21/2014 at 15:37 (3,560 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 289715 , Reply# 20 7/21/2014 at 15:43 (3,560 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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I would never have thought this vax would be more powerful than the felix. The suction is on par with the felix, but I have been getting a bit sick of the felix recently because of the bag situation, when it gets a 1/3 full the smell is very bad, despite the fact I have a charcoal filter I bought separately, and also the felix isn't great for attachment use, but I do appreciate the build quality and it does clean well. I am very interested in the cylinder air silence power head as it looks amazing.
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| Post# 289829 , Reply# 21 7/22/2014 at 13:42 (3,559 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The Vax Mach Air Reach always did come with a stair turbo brush, long 12 metre cable and the same add on extension hose.
Surely to god this model features something else other than the flexi tool and the lower watts? The newer metal based handle and everything else is a bit expensive for what you paid... | ||
| Post# 289834 , Reply# 22 7/22/2014 at 14:44 (3,559 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio) | ||
The showstopper here | ||
| Post# 290064 , Reply# 23 7/24/2014 at 06:23 (3,557 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I'd be wary - if the brush roll is that good, I hope my wool carpets wouldn't be cut to shreds!
I have to be very careful with choice of daily drivers. My own 450 watt Vax VCU02 is a fantastic lightweight bagged upright, but is has a ferocious bushy brush roll that can damage more than it can clean if over used. | ||
| Post# 290227 , Reply# 24 7/25/2014 at 17:00 (3,556 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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We have had this conversation on another thread and it is a good point, but I think more damage is doesn't to carpets due to a weaker brushroll not agitating properly and getting the grit out, than an aggressive brushroll. As long as you don't hold it in one place for prolonged periods of time. Woollen carpets are obviously more delicate than man-made fibre, so you do have to be careful.
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| Post# 290301 , Reply# 25 7/26/2014 at 05:44 (3,555 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I would disagree with that completely. Why? Because although brush rolls may have a different texture of bristle, carpet contact with a vacuum cleaner is always variable because of the air between the suction floor head and the carpet pile. It is basic science versus weight and design of the floor plate AND stronger suction dependent on model.
For years I never knew that regarding the sole plate design. With my old Hoover uprights the only time dirt was pulled off a carpet was perhaps at the edges. With the SEBO X, the dirt can be pulled in well before the sole plate actually hits that part of the carpet and at the front - this is more noticeable on hard floors and ALSO with the Felix. Thus, in turn, I've had a delicate brush roller in both my Felix and SEBO X. Softer bristles means the carpets are cleaned to my cleanliness ideals - if I want a deep clean I can use any old Hoover with a beater bar to beat the carpet, OR a brushier brush roll such as the one fitted to the Vax VCU02 - BUT, with stronger suction AND a brushier textured brush roll, damage can occur quite easily, whether the upright's brush roll adjusts properly or not. After all, if you brush your hair with a stiff brush compared to a soft one, the chances are that the agitation of it and the action of the bristles can remove more hair than necessary. Same with a carpet, which also has the force of strong suction AND a brush moving at high speed that removes more carpet pile than actual dust. | ||
| Post# 290322 , Reply# 26 7/26/2014 at 09:48 (3,555 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Well, each to their own, but this vax got up a lot of fine dust and grit which was surprising considering I only vacuumed with the felix the day before. The bristles are stiff but not like scrubbing brush stiff. They agitate all my carpets which range from low piled to dense high pile carpets. It really does deep clean, something that couldn't be said for the original air upright.
Also, I went on argos website this owning as their new range is out. Some interesting new vacuums including a very peculiar looking Samsung upright, but I saw this vacuum had been reduced to £179.99, so I contacted argos, was on hold for about 20 minutes but explained that I only got this just over a week ago and they said they would honour the refund difference, so I am even happier now. | ||
| Post# 290331 , Reply# 27 7/26/2014 at 11:48 (3,555 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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I noticed that you saw the Samsung upright and I've actually got one of those and I've got to say it is one of the best upright vacuum cleaners I've had its very light it deep cleans carpets and it comes of lots of attachment if you got the model I did today I went down to Argos and got the blue one really wanted to see what the Blue was like but I wanna kept it if it came with the same accessories my other one did haven't used it that will be go back to Argos £300 not a bad vacuum cleaner is a bit pricey I got mine cheaper than that are paying about 240 should give wanna try to be very pleased to the cyclone technology is very good I've used it two times a day and the filter is spotless
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| Post# 290379 , Reply# 29 7/26/2014 at 19:40 (3,555 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oli - you are obviously very impressed with the Vax, but you are totally missing the point I am making.
The Vax has NLOS so it doesn't surprise me in the least that the pick up is going to be better than ANY Bagged vacuum let alone the Felix. However having too much suction can never be that good for a carpet - and in the defence of the Felix, at least you can adjust the power AND the height adjustment of the brush roller. | ||
| Post# 290419 , Reply# 30 7/26/2014 at 23:19 (3,555 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 290454 , Reply# 31 7/27/2014 at 01:17 (3,554 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Well be that as it may, the combination of agitation and suction power this vax has is very good for all types of carpeting, and I say that because I have jsut about all types of carpeting, low piled, thick pile, dense and shaggy rugs and this does brilliant on all of them, and what it picks up from them is very good, so I can hardly say that having this much pulling power is a bad thing.
However, that is something I would critisize about this vac, is that is needs a way of adjusting the power as on lightwiehgt bathroom matts for example, it sticks so much it start to swallow them up. I have mastered a way of cleaning them, by havign the head half on and half off the matts, hopefully this is something vax can address. | ||
| Post# 290511 , Reply# 32 7/27/2014 at 05:47 (3,554 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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IMHO the Mach Air Reach is the best bagless upright I have tried so far. It has a soft brush roll so its a winner in my eyes but it is a brute to take off hard floors or whenever the brush roll is turned off. Doesn't sound like Vax have learnt their lesson here.
A small air valve could have been applied to the acrylic floor head to let out some suction air, so that it doesn't stick to hard floors or a vent somewhere at least for air to be a bit less when dealing with hard floors. | ||
| Post# 290536 , Reply# 33 7/27/2014 at 10:51 (3,554 days old) by Mieles5380Leo (Virginia) | ||
Hoover? | ||
| Post# 290539 , Reply# 34 7/27/2014 at 11:12 (3,554 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 290541 , Reply# 35 7/27/2014 at 11:25 (3,554 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe) | ||
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| Post# 290542 , Reply# 36 7/27/2014 at 11:47 (3,554 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Vax copied no one. I trust that you are awear Hoover US and VAX are both owned by Hong Kongs TTI who design and manufacture a lot of other vacuum cleaners for various manufactures, and this design is an original Vax design. Indeed on the box it says "designed in the UK" so it is possible Hoover US adopted this design and used it on their models.
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| Post# 290545 , Reply# 37 7/27/2014 at 11:54 (3,554 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
 "The 2014 Vax Air looks like a Hoover wind tunnel AIR. Which brand copied who?"
Mieles5380Leo: In case you didn't already know, Vax and Hoover USA are both owned by the same company: TTI Floor Care Products LLC. So no one copied the other unless you wanted to say: TTI copied itself.
So indeed, the Vax Air and the Hoover Windtunnel Air are basically the same machine except for minor differences such as color. | ||
| Post# 290573 , Reply# 38 7/27/2014 at 14:33 (3,554 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 290576 , Reply# 39 7/27/2014 at 14:40 (3,554 days old) by Mieles5380Leo (Virginia) | ||
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Neat fact, sptyks. | ||
| Post# 310080 , Reply# 40 12/27/2014 at 19:27 (3,401 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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There are so many bad reviews online because this new Vax is too powerful for them to push | ||
| Post# 310088 , Reply# 41 12/27/2014 at 20:20 (3,401 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Where are those bad reviews you speak of?? At Argos there only seems to be a couple of bad ones, but then the next one is totaly conflicting.
And are those rugs in the first comment/review fixed on the floor or portable? No upright can do them unless its super soft bristles and low suction. Otherwise they get sucked up into the mouth of the upright.
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| Post# 310120 , Reply# 42 12/28/2014 at 03:52 (3,400 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 310124 , Reply# 43 12/28/2014 at 07:21 (3,400 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Amazon has lots of them rated at 1 star, 2 and 3 etc. Those reviews make me want this more, lol. Not sure whether to get this in purple for £99 off Vax on Amazon, or a Dyson DC41 mk2 | ||
| Post# 310129 , Reply# 44 12/28/2014 at 09:03 (3,400 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 310136 , Reply# 45 12/28/2014 at 10:58 (3,400 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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No I mean in total, the negative reviews from different sites such as Argos, Amazon, etc makes quite a lot of people saying the vacuum is hard to push. So they have it a negative review | ||
| Post# 310168 , Reply# 46 12/28/2014 at 15:42 (3,400 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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It is difficult to push and pull across carpets and sticks to hardfloors, but it is a very effective vacuum and I have loved using it. The plastics used on the whole feel durable, some feel a bit brittle and the hose is stupidly short and very poorly placed, the handle doesn't go up high enough for me either, but this is now a vacuum you can buy at places like Tesco, Argos and amazon for around £100 so it is still excellent value.
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| Post# 310182 , Reply# 48 12/28/2014 at 17:23 (3,400 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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It's not "copying", they're exactly the same machines made by exactly the same company in exactly the same factory. TTI owns the Vax name in the Europe and the Hoover name in the US, but they don't own the Hoover name in Europe. If they did, I would expect that all their machines would be branded one or the other.
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| Post# 310199 , Reply# 49 12/28/2014 at 20:24 (3,400 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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I doubt the design of the Mach sir range etc are owned by TTI as these are not budget machines. These are their best ones ATM. | ||
| Post# 310203 , Reply# 50 12/28/2014 at 21:21 (3,400 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, following on from another discussion about another brand name on another forum... I remember the Tchibo company from Germany, who first had a mail order catalogue where you could buy rebranded household appliances and a few vacuums under the "TCM" brand name and also "Typhoon."
When the net came along, the company in the UK had already stopped selling appliances and went onto selling coffee and drinks alone on their UK website. However, Tchibo in other countries still sell unbranded vacuums and I came across this "Tchibo zyclon upright vacuum" It has since "sold out." No wonder - when it is an unbranded Vax Mach Air! CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK 
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| Post# 310204 , Reply# 51 12/28/2014 at 21:23 (3,400 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 310217 , Reply# 52 12/29/2014 at 04:52 (3,399 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Wow, I assume it was a budget vac then if its a small company so its great value :) | ||
| Post# 310224 , Reply# 53 12/29/2014 at 05:49 (3,399 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 310227 , Reply# 54 12/29/2014 at 06:32 (3,399 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Isnt that a small company's which sold the cheap/fake Mach air clones? | ||
| Post# 310257 , Reply# 55 12/29/2014 at 14:16 (3,399 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 310262 , Reply# 56 12/29/2014 at 14:47 (3,399 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Cool, you learn something new every day! :) | ||
| Post# 310308 , Reply# 58 12/30/2014 at 06:58 (3,398 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 310309 , Reply# 59 12/30/2014 at 07:09 (3,398 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK) | ||
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Did I say that Sebo_Fan. No I didn't | ||
| Post# 310311 , Reply# 60 12/30/2014 at 08:09 (3,398 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 310318 , Reply# 61 12/30/2014 at 09:03 (3,398 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK) | ||
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Ok Sebo_Fan whatever. | ||
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