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Post# 286825 , Reply# 1   7/1/2014 at 21:20 (3,557 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 286834 , Reply# 3   7/1/2014 at 22:13 (3,557 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)   |   | |
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Post# 286835 , Reply# 4   7/1/2014 at 22:17 (3,557 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 286853 , Reply# 5   7/2/2014 at 01:10 (3,557 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)   |   | |
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Post# 286854 , Reply# 6   7/2/2014 at 01:11 (3,557 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Thank you, Nathan (you can call me Alex if I can call you Nathan!) I would love to see people turn back to bags, but I only see that happening if they discover that cheapo bagless vacuums breed the plague or something! It would be very hard to do so in a market where every vacuum in the isle is bagless! I'd love to see the class and elegance of vintage vacuums, but I am only 1 of millions of consumers! So until either WAL-MART demands bags, half of America demanding bags, or all of vacuumland marches into China and holds TTI hostage, I don't see bags coming back!
Calem, just don't use the good blenders! Buy one from Wal-Mart and do whatever you want with it! Although I'm doubting it will last past 10 frogs! |
Post# 286859 , Reply# 7   7/2/2014 at 01:41 (3,557 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)   |   | |
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it would be Tiananmen Square all over again, except this time, it would be our legs sticking out from under the tank treads. We would all die for protesting against planet Wal-Marts' toxic/plastic trash. And after they cremated our crushed bones, Wal-Mart and China would have a great big hearty laugh, all this of course, after they figured out how to make lampshades out of our skins. Just picking at you....or am I?! Oh yeah, don't ever leave that Wal-Mart garbage plugged in, it's liable to burn your house down, and that's no joke!
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Post# 286864 , Reply# 8   7/2/2014 at 02:14 (3,557 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 286898 , Reply# 9   7/2/2014 at 10:21 (3,557 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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David- The reason why vacuum shops are closing is that the majority of people want bagless vacuums, & they don't want to spend a small fortune to buy a vacuum. Consumers don't care, for the most part, about why buying a bagged vacuum & buying a better quality vacuum from a vacuum shop makes sense in the long run. Yes, there are consumers out there who "get it" & will spend the big bucks to buy better quality vacuums, but they are few & far between. So, unfortunately, we can directly blame cheap bagless vacuums sold at mass merchants for vacuum shops closing, since most vacuum shops seem unwilling to offer bagless vacuums.
Nathan- I like your idea of bringing back some retro features on vacuum cleaners. However, specifically referring to beater bars, the reason they were eliminated was the beater bars were no longer effective on certain types of carpeting found in today's homes. In some cases, replacing the beater bars with bristles cleans better....I have heard this is the case with the 2nd Rainbow powerhead, the long square one, that if you replace the beater bar brushroll with the aftermarket all-brush brushroll, it improves performance. As for the Hoover Constellation, that has already been tried & failed, due to the air blowing dust all over the place, & the cheap hose, tools & turbobrush they included. I think the results would be the same if Hoover tried a third time to reintroduce the Constellation. I do think it would be nice to see more direct-air vacuums introduced into the marketplace though. Alex- I disagree with your point that consumers couldn't be persuaded to buy bagged vacuums. The problem isn't just the consumer not wanting to spend money on bags, it's cleaning performance. Yes, I did say above to David that spending more on a better quality bagged vacuum makes sense, BUT that's because the vacuum would be better quality & bags are obviously more sanitary to deal with than dumping a dirtcup, & would be better for allergy sufferers. The problem I have always had with bagged vacuums, which I bet most consumers have experienced, is that they lose suction power & airflow very quickly & reduced cleaning performance on carpets, usually before the bag is 1/2 full. And this holds true for the vacuums I own that use HEPA cloth bags, too. The only clean-air upright or canister vacuums I own this hasn't been a problem with has been my 2 Miele canister vacuums, & for direct-air upright vacuums Kirby & Royal metal uprights. This may also be part of the reason some manufacturers, such as Panasonic, have taken to redesigning the bag cage on their vacuums, in an attempt to make suction & airflow last longer in their vacuums. Having said that, I think that Miele may have already developed the solution with their AirClean bags, as it's the one clean-air vacuum I own that the bags can be stuffed 3/4 full with dirt before cleaning power drops considerably. When the patents expire on the AirClean bags, if other vacuum manufacturers start making the AirClean bags for their vacuums & promote the fact that suction & airflow lasts considerably longer than other vacuums with normal bags, I do think that consumers could be persuaded to buy bagged vacuums again, as long as the bags aren't ridiculously overpriced as Miele bags are. Rob |
Post# 286909 , Reply# 11   7/2/2014 at 12:55 (3,557 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Can you imagine some sort of Hybrid Convertible, with a hepa bag? on board tools, (or an option of some soret)? With all of the Dial A Matic's faults, those tools, hookup, suction, etc were excellent. LED light.not the Decade 80 type Commercial, but. something.
A re figured Constellation? A cross between a Concept, windtunnel, and Constellation? Would they be wild? And, if they color coordinated them like years ago? You could get an upright, stick cleaner, canister, and polisher all in the same color group. I'd have to buy "one of each", to quote me idol, Jacqueline Bouvier, Kennedy "onnassis". |
Post# 286921 , Reply# 12   7/2/2014 at 14:20 (3,557 days old) by marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 286934 , Reply# 13   7/2/2014 at 16:42 (3,557 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 286939 , Reply# 14   7/2/2014 at 16:56 (3,557 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()   |   | |
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Not refurbished, but rather new technology with retro styling. Along the lines of the Ford Mustang or Chevrolet Camaro.... look quite a bit like the classics of the 60's but all the mod-cons. |
Post# 286947 , Reply# 15   7/2/2014 at 17:54 (3,557 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 286974 , Reply# 16   7/2/2014 at 20:42 (3,556 days old) by vacuumssuck213 ()   |   | |
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is this what you are referring to? only retro style I could find online
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Post# 286986 , Reply# 17   7/2/2014 at 21:26 (3,556 days old) by marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 287244 , Reply# 22   7/4/2014 at 16:31 (3,555 days old) by marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 287265 , Reply# 23   7/4/2014 at 23:43 (3,554 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 287317 , Reply# 27   7/5/2014 at 10:42 (3,554 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)   |   | |
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It would be fun to see more retro vacs. A Convertible with LED lights and plug in attachments would be awesome. It seems to me though retro vacuums don't catch on as well as other items as people in general don't remember them in the same way they do a car or even kitchen appliances.
Also as far as bagless machines, it seems like that's all people buy anymore is bagless uprights. People think all they need is a Walmart bagless upright to clean their house. And I see a lot of people selling their vacuums because "they got laminate floors and have no more carpet". That tells me that they think a vacuum is only for carpets and not hard floors or anything else. And I think part of the reason bagless uprights are so popular is that is all that the big retailers sell anymore. I like how Sears pushes the idea of the convenience of bagged vacuums and has a good selection of upright and canister vacuums from various brands. But it seems Sears and Kmart are the last place most people think to buy a new vacuum. Walmart, Bed Bath and Beyond, Home Depot, Lowes, anywhere else that only seems to have bagless uprights is where they go. And I can understand why people don't want to spend a lot on a vacuum. With all the other things that they have to spend money on that they need and less to spend money on fun things, a vacuum will be pretty low on the list for most. |
Post# 287318 , Reply# 28   7/5/2014 at 10:58 (3,554 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)   |   | |
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... that the Hoover Convertibles and Constellations of old -- built as they used to be built -- would never be able to compete, price-wise, with the cheap plastivacs coming out of China.
Adjusted for inflation, a Hoover Convertible from 1968 would retail for over $600. Who would pay that much for a Convertible-style vacuum when there are so many $100 specials at Walmart? |
Post# 287330 , Reply# 29   7/5/2014 at 11:55 (3,554 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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You guys are extremely optimistic. You must understand that virtually no one buys a new Kirby because they are shopping for one. The salesman gains entrance to a home, and does his thing. No distributor would stock two different models, so each salesman has two machines out on consignment. They have enough trouble keeping track of one machine per salesman. A smaller Kirby without power drive would have to be demonstrated to the customer AFTER the more expensive one, making the demo take even longer. The distributor and salesman would make LESS money (something no one wants to do). It would never fly.
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Post# 287376 , Reply# 30   7/5/2014 at 20:52 (3,553 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 287440 , Reply# 31   7/6/2014 at 11:17 (3,553 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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