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Thread Number: 25519
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| Post# 286615 , Reply# 1 6/29/2014 at 12:01 (3,580 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 286660 , Reply# 3 6/29/2014 at 19:31 (3,580 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 286696 , Reply# 6 6/30/2014 at 03:09 (3,580 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 286698 , Reply# 7 6/30/2014 at 05:52 (3,580 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 286716 , Reply# 9 6/30/2014 at 16:07 (3,579 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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Post# 286766 , Reply# 14 7/1/2014 at 03:51 (3,579 days old) by tolivac  (Greenville,NC) |
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Can we focus on talking about VACUUM CLEANERS-NOT cars-thought this was a discussion about Meile vacuums-then it went to cars.After reading this thought I was on a CAR discussion forum-instead of vacuum cleaners. | ||
| Post# 286771 , Reply# 15 7/1/2014 at 07:30 (3,579 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, the problem is the poster of this thread seems to think everything should be as well built as a Kenmore. It isn't a downside because I guess, everyone is entitled to their opinion but he did go into mentioning German built cars, thus tarring every downside with the same brush and probably wasn't expecting a response back from one of the other members.
I sold my SEBO D2 Total a few weeks ago to a good friend. She is American. She has had plenty of vacs in the U.S but in Scotland where she now resides, she has gone through tons of bagless uprights and canisters. The last straw was with a Morphy Richards upright (not the ones sold in the U.S by Shark) but from the 1990s. Even I couldn't push it! She loves the SEBO's twin metal telescopic tubes (not the ones supplied on the K3 because the K3 has an electric embedded cord for the PN) and the fact that the SEBO hose is longer (the D series and some K series models have 2.1 metres over 1.8 metres which some SEBO models have AND Miele as standard without their clip on 1.5 metre hose extension accessory) as well as the huge bag capacity and the long 12 metre cable. She also loves the power and the quietness in general. The only downside that she doesn't like is the dust brush. She loves the crevice tool and the flat T shape upholstery brush, even if she got a stair cleaning turbo brush as well. Evidently this is an American thing all round - and I have noted this on several other threads by our U.S members before. The thing to remember DT is, that Europe is very different to the U.S in the first respects. We don't have a huge market with canister vacs that have PN's added OR canister vacs with great big cleaning tools. Secondly, the only brand we have in the UK who offer PN canisters vacs are SEBO. There was Wertheim but they didn't stay around due to reliability issues. Miele only offer a rechargeable PN head with some of their cylinder/canister vacs. Thirdly, most European buyers and owners don't tend to require huge "smaller" cleaning tools on board vacuums - if you want to dust, you'll use a cloth and furniture polish or other means (I use damp microfibre cloths and no agents). Our homes are on average FAR SMALLER than U.S homes. So, when it came to the dusting brush issue since the SEBO D has a similar tool to the type Miele supply with their round dusting brush, I gave my friend the larger X series dusting brush with long bristles. I explained that due to the 2100 watt power of the SEBO that the bristles would probably get sucked in, covering the dust channel - but this doesn't appear to have been noticed. | ||
| Post# 286774 , Reply# 16 7/1/2014 at 07:43 (3,579 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
You don't need the revolving brush of an upright or power nozzle canister to deep clean carpets under furniture. For the once a year thorough room clean-up, when the furniture gets moved anyway, you can use any bulky upright to deep clean the rugs that are covered by beds and other furniture.
But the dirt under furniture is never ground-in by footsteps - it stays on the surface. And for that you can use a hose and wand and upholstery nozzle to get rid of surface litter and dust. You can even use a suction-only carpet nozzle to do this. Obviously, for carpetless floors, you can use a bare floor brush. It's actually safer to clean the dark reaches under furniture this way because you don't have the danger of jamming a brush roll with a sock or a plastic bag that you did not see. :-) | ||
| Post# 286794 , Reply# 18 7/1/2014 at 14:17 (3,578 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Once a year cleaning under a bed? Maybe for you. Spare a thought for those who may have beds in UK rooms that may not have enough space "to move out of the way."
I clean under my spare double bed in the spare room every three months, or per season - simply because all my clothes are under there in wheeled storage boxes. I simply don't have the room or space to store clothing in any other way despite having two cupboards full of coats as per season. The flooring isn't taken up with lots of boxes, but enough space on the carpet for dust to settle under there, noticeable on the grid lids of the boxes when I go to pull them out. You may well have a bed that you only clear ONCE a year. However, whenever I've had pets, it requires constant cleaning - cats adore going under beds if there's any chance of hiding or in hunter mode and the hair that collects under there is a nightmare! | ||
| Post# 286805 , Reply# 19 7/1/2014 at 16:13 (3,578 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 286813 , Reply# 20 7/1/2014 at 17:43 (3,578 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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That's not what I meant: I only intended to explain why you don't need to clean under furniture and beds with an upright or a power nozzle. You can get rid of all the surface dirt with a suction only canister on a daily basis. I have a very small apartment and I take apart the bed twice a year or maybe three times a year to flip the mattress and vacuum all sides thoroughly. I even lean the box spring and mattress frame up against the wall! That's when my carpet gets a deep cleaning with my Hoover upright. But the deep cleaning is not needed on a daily basis.
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| Post# 286816 , Reply# 21 7/1/2014 at 18:42 (3,578 days old) by gm1982 () | ||
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Sebo is one of the least repair prone brands! If you do not like the tools the next best thing is the Aerus and Simplicity vacuums. Other than a Kirby, you might as well just use a good old fashioned broom and shovel if nothing appeases you. | ||
| Post# 286868 , Reply# 23 7/2/2014 at 05:01 (3,578 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Most uprights that are used to clean out cars have an additional extension hose. It's what I use when I clean out my car using my Felix vacuum. The tools at the top of the handle AND the variable speed control on the handle also means cleaning with the SEBO is far quicker than bulkier uprights, especially when the hose comes out at the rear and you have to keep accessing the tools as well, from there.
Yes, it would be wonderful if vacuums were made the way they were - but they are not. All the German brands have upped the quality in their vacuums, but have made their cylinder/canister vacs as light as possible to lift and carry. That wasn't a requirement back in the 1950s and 1960s where "department store" vacuums, that were "better made" seem to have that design element. They were lighter than uprights, sure, but not as light as the ones around today, certainly not in the UK, in my mind. Another aspect to why I embraced German vacs, isn't just because of the fact that they may be better than a lot of other European vacs - parts and spares are available widely. I was a big Hoover fan when I first started out collecting vacs, but parts and spares were eventually very difficult to get. You have to bear that in mind if you are a collector and more so if you are an owner hell bent in keeping an old vintage vacuum as your daily driver. | ||
| Post# 286887 , Reply# 24 7/2/2014 at 09:25 (3,577 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 287031 , Reply# 26 7/3/2014 at 09:53 (3,576 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 287179 , Reply# 29 7/4/2014 at 04:01 (3,576 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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So WHAT????
In the U.S everyone is so het up about industry being robbed and fobbed off to China. Its the way of the times. Get over it! We in the UK had to face that years ago. Not all Chinese produced vacuums are bad - and I bet half of the collectors on this forum aren't replacing motors in every vacuum cleaner they have. Buyers and owners won't even think about replacing a brush roll, never mind a motor. | ||
| Post# 287243 , Reply# 31 7/4/2014 at 16:18 (3,575 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh I thought you had retired.
We had the US Navy in Scotland. And American cars, and American appliances. A few of my friends back then didn't moan about things made in China though. Funny how things turn. Here's a pic of the famous U.S.S Simon Lake in Dunoon, where it sat for many years in our Holy Loch.
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| Post# 287613 , Reply# 39 7/7/2014 at 10:52 (3,572 days old) by DesertTortoise () | ||
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Tolivac, there is a thriving garment industry in Los Angeles and California is a major cotton producer. NAS Lemoore, east of Fresno, is surrounded by cotton fields. | ||
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