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Thread Number: 25387
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| Post# 285373 6/19/2014 at 11:18 (3,591 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
My sister is moving out in a few months and of course, the first question I wanted to ask was, "what vacuum are you going to buy?" She said, not sure. I asked, "what flooring are you having?", she said wood floors throughout the entire house, I could of fainted!!!
So I said, to get a Miele or Sebo Cylinder or a Henry...She said I don't want bags (this woman could give me a heart attack) "I want a bagless cleaner" she muttered, so I said it had to be Dyson, then she suggested she wanted a Dyson Hand held. I challenged her on this saying that for that price you could buy two Henry's! And by buying one Henry think of all that left over money you would have to buy bags to last you YEARS. She insisted she wanted a Dyson handheld, I said well if you find it inadequate DON'T come crying to me! | ||
| Post# 285375 , Reply# 1 6/19/2014 at 11:23 (3,591 days old) by sonnyndad () | ||
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"WHY DO THEY NEVER LISTEN?!" Because they're all stubborn know-it-alls. Every last one of 'em. | ||
| Post# 285377 , Reply# 2 6/19/2014 at 11:30 (3,591 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
~Alex
They have to learn for themselves. Everytime my Mum had a new bagless 'cheap' cleaner all I heard was 'it loses its suction' 'I dont know why' 'Its a good make' 'its lightweight'
and then she wondered why nothing was performing or lasting very long. I waited ten years after countless suggestions for her to take in bagged was better and to buy something based upon her needs that would work and work well. Now shes got a Henry all seems to be well. Just wait - it might be 10 months it might be 10 years but eventually they realise and your opinion will be heard. Let her make her own mistakes and just concentrate on having a laugh with her than arguing over her choice in cleaner mate. Thats more important. | ||
| Post# 285399 , Reply# 5 6/19/2014 at 14:07 (3,591 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
Actually, the dc59 cordless from dyson is incredibly powerful, I must admit. The agitation beats that of lot of corded uprights and the suction is enough to pull a medium sized rubber matt from the floor. I know, ive seen and tried one out, seriously considering getting one, but they are fantastically expensive. If I was her, i'd go for a sebo k3.
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| Post# 285400 , Reply# 6 6/19/2014 at 14:10 (3,591 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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The only new Dysons I like are the DC39 animal, DC54, DC59 (apart from looking kinda ugly), DC65 and the DC44/35 models. | ||
| Post# 285403 , Reply# 7 6/19/2014 at 14:53 (3,591 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 285410 , Reply# 9 6/19/2014 at 15:17 (3,591 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 285412 , Reply# 10 6/19/2014 at 15:20 (3,591 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 285413 , Reply# 11 6/19/2014 at 15:21 (3,591 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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It was a rehtorical question Ah well you see, without the tone and body language which would have been present during a one-to-one conversation, it is difficult for a reader to know that a question is rhetorical. However, I do admire you greatly for taking the challenge. | ||
| Post# 285472 , Reply# 12 6/19/2014 at 21:07 (3,591 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
"The new Dysons are going down-hill" | ||
| Post# 285475 , Reply# 13 6/19/2014 at 21:19 (3,591 days old) by RainbowD4C (Saint Joseph, Michigan ) | ||
You have to look at this from a different standpoint. There could be a couple of different ways to look at this. One of them could be. -How old is your sister? If she is still young and just getting started she maybe thinking about the financial side. Money could be tight and she is trying to save and make ends meet. -It's a decision that she wants to make. It's going to be her place and she may have a completely different vision than what you have. -She may not be into the vacuum interest like you are and to her it's just an appliance that is used for housework. However if you are concerned you could always buy her a gift of a vacuum.
Just my two cents. Andy | ||
| Post# 285502 , Reply# 15 6/20/2014 at 02:08 (3,591 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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No supersweeper, the DC04 was a great improvement on the DC01, the DC07 had much more power, the DC14 had a better design than the DC07, the DC25 had better grooming and Dyson is 21 years old BTW | ||
| Post# 285505 , Reply# 16 6/20/2014 at 02:56 (3,591 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
It was a rehtorical question  | ||
| Post# 285515 , Reply# 18 6/20/2014 at 05:32 (3,591 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I was trying to explain to her what would be ideal and a dyson "stick vac" would not be ideal for someone who has a child and husband to clean up after and as her ONLY vacuum cleaner, what about when it runs out after 12 minutes? Hmmm? She will have carry on cleaning tommorrow as it ran out of battery. What about the car? Not enough charge nor power for that either.
If she is going pay all that money for that, she should just get a Dustbuster and be done with it! A nice little Miele Cylinder would of been great for her as she says storage may be an issue. Imagine the price though of a Dyson hand held...she could get a full size vacuum for that. But no, they no best. | ||
| Post# 285521 , Reply# 19 6/20/2014 at 06:11 (3,591 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes but Alex, she IS NOT YOU. She probably doesn't go as much cleaning as you do - and let her buy whatever she wants.
She could have ANY vacuum cleaner she wants, not what you deem is the best. She'd probably do okay with an Argos bagged cylinder vac or even something that she sees at a second hand shop. LET HER LEARN herself. She may be quite happy to let the Dyson to run out of power and let it charge. | ||
| Post# 285547 , Reply# 20 6/20/2014 at 10:45 (3,590 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
Yep ... | ||
Post# 285562 , Reply# 21 6/20/2014 at 12:55 (3,590 days old) by gottahaveahoove  (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Correct, Matt
(Not throwing gasoline "petrol" on the fire but..............
People have asked ME my opinion of what to but. Some listened, some didn't. Some were sorry. I had bosses who made up their minds, THEN asked my opinion, knowing full well that they already decided. I always try to remember: WE can not be responsible for anyone Else's: lack of sense, taste, or manners. I hope she enjoys her choice. I'm as happy as a clam with my 400 HOOVERS. | ||
| Post# 285646 , Reply# 22 6/21/2014 at 11:07 (3,589 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Keep in mind ...
... we never really know anybody's motivations.
It could be she just likes the LOOKS of the Dyson. Or she really can't afford anything more than a stick vac. Or there's a powerful childhood memory associated with bagless stick vacs. I think vintage Kirbys are the perfect melding of beauty and strength in machinery. I even love how they sound. Many people, however, think they're butt-ugly. And it's true, they're not as streamlined or "modern" looking as a Hoover Convertible, which I also really like (mostly because they are, for me, filled with wonderful childhood memories). A lot of people REALLY like their microwave ovens. I think they're dangerous -- not just because of the EMFs, but because they're scientificaly proven to change the molecular structure of food, which in turn causes problems, over time, with your endocrine system. But people don't want to hear that. They want to be able to have hot food in 45 seconds, and even when presented with evidence that it literally turns the food into poison, shrug it off, dismissing it with the justification that "well everything will eventually kill us anyway". Hard to argue with that logic. | ||
| Post# 285650 , Reply# 23 6/21/2014 at 11:44 (3,589 days old) by Gr8DaneDad () | ||
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Can't change anyone's mind... all you can do is plant the seeds and see if anything grows. | ||
| Post# 285711 , Reply# 24 6/21/2014 at 18:27 (3,589 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
 I have long since learnt that you cannot change people's opinions. They will do what they see fit and nothing more.
What you can do however is advise them of what you think to be the best course of action to take and maybe in the future, when their decision blows up in their face (and being a Dyson it probably will, quite literally) they may decide to give your opinion some serious thought.
Don't get too wound up about it.
As somebody on here said to me a couple of years ago, "you can be happy or you can be right - but you can't be both". Very true. | ||
| Post# 285822 , Reply# 26 6/22/2014 at 17:59 (3,588 days old) by RainbowD4C (Saint Joseph, Michigan ) | ||
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Not to be disrespectful but... In rereading this entire thread and like someone else said she never really asked for advice. Her brother the author of this thread asked her the question and she gave him an answer. And as I stated in my first post there are different things that need to be taken into play with this. I think she just has an idea of what she wants and what she needs. Anyway I wish her the very best in her new adventure.
Andy | ||
| Post# 286386 , Reply# 29 6/27/2014 at 05:03 (3,584 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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If I had to choose between a Vax Swift and that Argos/Vax Essentials upright, or even their £59-99 Naked model, I'd choose the Swift - a lot heavier and they last a lot longer.
I've had to use a Swift before and had one in a student halls of residence when I was younger. They're noisy and they are heavy, but they do clean, even if they are paper pleated cone cyclones. | ||
| Post# 286471 , Reply# 31 6/27/2014 at 16:42 (3,583 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Tayyab - I had both, not at the same time though- and the first versions of them (in blue).
In my opinion the bagged upright was brilliant and a lot more powerful and easier to push than the bagless version. Plasticky yes but the hose could take 32mm tools and it lacked a dust brush. Due to its design I found a Dyson DC01 dust brush could easily slip onto the crevice tool at the back. The main problem with the bagged upright is of course only the dust bags are available from Argos on the high street unless you shop online. | ||
| Post# 287521 , Reply# 32 7/6/2014 at 18:50 (3,574 days old) by anthony (leeds uk) | ||
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