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Post# 284700   6/15/2014 at 02:44 (3,602 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

Following on from an earlier thread about new vacs at Argos, I was looking at the Argos iPad app and see that they have listed a lot of new cleaners, mainly from Vax and Hoover.

Unfortunately when clicking on the new items, it is unable to show further details at the moment and when searching Argos on the desktop website, the new models don't show up.

From what has been listed so far, most if the new cleaners are the same as the current high wattage machines, but with lower wattage motors fitted. The Purepower is still there in the same red and white colour scheme along with the bagless Dustmanager variant. The only new Hoover cleaner I can see is a bagged mains powered stick cleaner. There is a Telios based cleaner marked A A A, which I assume means it has A carpet pick up, A floor pick up and A energy rating, but I could be wrong.

There is a range of Vax cleaners called Impact, but they seem to be based on existing models.
I noticed what seemed like a new Vax Dual Power carpet washer, but the picture only showed the inderside of the machine. It could be the larger version that is marketed by Hoover in the USA.

In time the website and app will be updated with the full range of new models from all manufacturers, but judging by the new batch from Hoover and Vax, there's nothing to get very excited about.
I still think that this new EC law is a good thing and in time will hopefully bring some new innovations to the market, especially when the maximum wattage reduces to 900W in 2017.


Post# 284709 , Reply# 1   6/15/2014 at 05:57 (3,602 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Thanks for the heads up, Roger.

I agree, the new legislation is a welcome market shake up.


Post# 284712 , Reply# 2   6/15/2014 at 06:07 (3,602 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        

Hey Roger,

Thanks for highlighting the change. Looks like Hoover has taken the easy way out and just changes the motors with no new models.

And that corded stick looks like it could be from the DIVA range in Europe by that thumbnail picture. I have one already I got from Germany, nice machine.

Cheers
Mark


Post# 284714 , Reply# 3   6/15/2014 at 06:33 (3,602 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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By the looks of it on the normal website, the energy ratings have failed to reach Miele's S7 uprights and a few others.

Post# 284716 , Reply# 4   6/15/2014 at 07:06 (3,602 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

I guess the energy rating will only be displayed for new models or models that are under 1600 watts at the moment. Come September the rating will have to be displayed for all the types of cleaner under the new legislation. The Miele S7 uprights have an 1800 watt motor, so they will need to have a lower wattage motor fitted to new models.

I'm wondering if the eco Purepower will have an improved brushroll to compensate for the lower wattage, but the cleaner is probably the same as the high wattage version. In the past manufacturers would offer high wattage cleaners and the customer in many cases would choose one model over the other because it had a higher wattage motor. So an uninformed consumer would say pick a 2100 watt upright over a 1600 watt model, even though in reality, the 1600 watt model may perform better. Now that pick up ratings will be displayed, I think manufacturers are going to highlight that, rather than the wattage. So now a customer may choose a vac because it has a triple A rating over a vac that scores a B rating or less. Personally I would want the best performing machine, so I would look for A rated cleaners over ones with a more mediocre score.

I will check the Argos and other websites daily to see of any new models appearing. I look at Very and Grattan a lot because they still offer twice yearly printed catalogues like Argos and they need to have info on new models earlier so can get them published. I seem to remember that printed Grattan and Freemans catalogues used to be sent out to customers in late June, so changes to their websites must be iminent.

All in all I am excited about this new law and looking forward to seeing some new innovations in the marketplace, even though for now, some manufacturers will just be modifying current models.


Post# 284721 , Reply# 5   6/15/2014 at 07:40 (3,602 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Any chance you could put a link to All the argos vacuum

Post# 284723 , Reply# 6   6/15/2014 at 07:45 (3,602 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

I can only see the new vacs on the Argos App on my iPad, so a link will not work. I can't even copy the pictures either. If you have any sort of mobile device that you can download the Argos app into, then I suggest you try that. Failing that, just keep checking the Argos website as it will be updated in due course.


Post# 284724 , Reply# 7   6/15/2014 at 07:45 (3,602 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

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Post# 284725 , Reply# 8   6/15/2014 at 07:55 (3,602 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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If you click the home button a the Off button at the same time it takes a picture.Just a suggestion

Post# 284726 , Reply# 9   6/15/2014 at 07:58 (3,602 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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When will there be a new video

Post# 284728 , Reply# 10   6/15/2014 at 08:08 (3,602 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Post# 284729 , Reply# 11   6/15/2014 at 08:54 (3,602 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I have a feeling we'll be seeing the Greenray Purepower upright again, but either with "new" Eco tags or just tarted up in new colours. It already had a 1200 watt motor.



Post# 284734 , Reply# 12   6/15/2014 at 10:09 (3,602 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Just curious what this legislation you mention is and it's purpose. In the US there has long been a maximum amperage for household appliances of 12 amps. This is a safety margin for 15 amp circuits, which are pretty much the norm here for residential use. With our 120VAC house current that works out to 1440 WATTS.

Post# 284744 , Reply# 13   6/15/2014 at 13:12 (3,602 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
It already had a 1200 watt motor.

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HA! "Purepower Greenray"...yet the Purepower started out as a 1200w upright.

Post# 284746 , Reply# 14   6/15/2014 at 13:28 (3,602 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yeah, and the original also had a bag full LED light, which this one doesn't.

Post# 284821 , Reply# 15   6/15/2014 at 22:00 (3,601 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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DesertTortoise: In the EU they have passed a law that limits the max wattage of vacuum cleaners to 1200 watts in September 2014 and then down to 900 watts in September 2017. This is intended as a measure to help reduce greenhouse gasses.

 

In the US we have been limited to 1440 watts for several years now. This is a safety measure to prevent the possibility of overloading our 15 amp (1800 watt) household circuits.

  


Post# 284843 , Reply# 16   6/16/2014 at 00:16 (3,601 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

The maximum wattage will be 1600 watts from September 2014 in EC countries.


Post# 284862 , Reply# 17   6/16/2014 at 06:34 (3,601 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        
When will there be a new video

Well dys0nb0y, new videos will be uploaded to my channel very soon. Apart from the three cleaners pictured, I will be unboxing and reviewing a new carpet washer and upright vacuum cleaner. In the future I will be uploading videos for a Miele Revolution, Miele stick vac, Numatic Hetty, Sebo Duo,Bissell Spotbot, Miele S4, Miele Hybrid, Sebo Professional G, Hoover Alpina and more.
I have to work to buy these vacuums, so I will upload videos when I have the time.


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Post# 284901 , Reply# 18   6/16/2014 at 13:52 (3,601 days old) by moojuiceuk (Southampton, England)        
In Blighty....

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Our 13 Amp plug and socket system allows a load of up to 3120 watts to be pulled by an appliance (assuming 240v). Technically speaking we are on 230v (+10%/-6% tollerance fudge factor) because of harmonisation legislation rubbish from Europe, but as most substations are old, you can expect 240v on the line and anything upto 253v!

A Canadian friend of mine moved to London a couple of years ago and was amazed at how quick electric kettles boil over here (as most are 3kW).

One negative thing about our plugs - the risk of treading on one barefoot. The prongs tend to point up when left on the floor and it does hurt.



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Post# 284905 , Reply# 19   6/16/2014 at 14:57 (3,600 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Something that confounded me trying to cook breakfast in the UK are the switched outlets. When I saw switches next to the outlets I thought they were for lights and could not for the life of me figure out why the outlets had no juice. Ah, you have to operate a switch to get some juice to the outlet. Why is this? Do UK cats like to stick their tongues into electrical outlets? Then just to make brekkie even more fun, you Europeans have switches oriented up for off and down for on, exactly the opposite of US practice.

Then there was trying to suss out the dial on a German washing machine..............


Post# 285062 , Reply# 20   6/17/2014 at 12:57 (3,600 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        
Argos pictures

The Argos app has been updated today and more vacuums are viewable. Here are most, but not all of the new Hoover models.

Most of the "new" machines have mediocre performance, high noise levels and high dust emissions, despite having HEPA filters. The only cleaner of interest is the new stick vac, based on the Diva I believe.

There are some new Vax machines which I'll add to this post shortly.


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Post# 285064 , Reply# 21   6/17/2014 at 13:05 (3,600 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        
Some Vax machines

Here are a few of the Vax cleaners. Like Hoover, there isn't a lot of brand new designs, but some of their cleaners do better than Hoover, especially the Air uprights. It's interesting how wattage isn't shown, instead KWH usage per year.

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Post# 285070 , Reply# 22   6/17/2014 at 13:49 (3,600 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thank you for posting these, Roger.

However, it is terribly misleading quoting the noise levels - those Vax models have 86 decibels, which is a warning on some websites as anything "over 80db is considered hazardous to health."

Also found this on the net with regard to cleaning commercially!


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Post# 285072 , Reply# 23   6/17/2014 at 13:58 (3,600 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Here's the DIVA/SCOPA 1100 watt sold in other EU countries, "greenray" style, bagged stick vac. The one shown in Roger's photos doesn't seem to have the same kind of floor head shown here.

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Post# 285083 , Reply# 24   6/17/2014 at 14:28 (3,599 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        

I had a quick look tonight for the pictures I took of the DIVA I got a couple of years ago, here's a few.

Like how the hose is built into the handle and the neon power switch.

It's a nice machine not your normal build quality from Hoover.

I also have the power nozzle for it somewhere.

Mark


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Post# 285091 , Reply# 25   6/17/2014 at 14:59 (3,599 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Nice! Does it take the same bags as the Hoover Junior stick vac that Hoover UK brought out a few years ago, i.e the 1.5 litre paper dust bag also fitted to the same model, Athyss?

Post# 285094 , Reply# 26   6/17/2014 at 15:04 (3,599 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        

Hi Nar,

No the Junior stick takes the H59 bag and the DIVA takes the H68 bag.

Mark


Post# 285095 , Reply# 27   6/17/2014 at 15:06 (3,599 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

I like the look of the new stick vac, but not at the launch price of £250!


Post# 285097 , Reply# 28   6/17/2014 at 15:10 (3,599 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        
Hoover A2

Here's some more pics from the Argos app.

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Post# 285099 , Reply# 29   6/17/2014 at 15:20 (3,599 days old) by ozhoover (London UK (but born and raised in Melbourne, Australia ))        

Here's another stick vac I got about three years ago, it has since be relaunch by Hoover in the same brown/bronze colour as the current UK Turbopower range. I have one it that colour too but I never took a picture before I stuffed it in storage.

I like the Polisher pad just like the Hooverette

Mark


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Post# 285107 , Reply# 30   6/17/2014 at 16:10 (3,599 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thanks for letting me know. Seems the bag capacity is 1.8 litres.

Post# 285207 , Reply# 31   6/18/2014 at 10:30 (3,599 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Some of these ratings are very interesting, especially the total emmisions rating. G on some of those Hoover cleaners. They must be throwing quite a bit of dust out to get a rating like that.

Post# 285218 , Reply# 32   6/18/2014 at 12:02 (3,599 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

Yes Chris, I would avoid any cleaner with a G rating for emissions if I had any respiratory problems. Most of the Hoovers have very mediocre performance, something I have learned first hand today with my new unfortunately named Hoover Eco G. I think the G stands for Globe, but after using it, it could be its average performance rating. It's nice to use, but very noisy and very poor on hard floors with an average pick up on carpet.

I'm glad the rating system is being introduced because it makes it easy to compare different models.
I personally will not buy a new cleaner unless it's A rated in most tests. I don't mind a B or C for energy use, but I would want A for pick up on carpets and floors.


Post# 285225 , Reply# 33   6/18/2014 at 12:51 (3,599 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I found this has the energy rating. it doesn't look too bad

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Post# 285233 , Reply# 34   6/18/2014 at 14:14 (3,598 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

B for carpet and F for hard floors. I'll give that one a miss, especially at that price.


Post# 285236 , Reply# 35   6/18/2014 at 14:25 (3,598 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Post# 285237 , Reply# 36   6/18/2014 at 14:40 (3,598 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)        

Great, why don't you buy it Josh, because it's highly unlikely that I will get one unless it gets reduced to around £50.


Post# 285291 , Reply# 37   6/18/2014 at 19:12 (3,598 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Those ratings on pick up performance...

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...Are really of little help. Yes but we all know that even if a cylinder vac gets a poorer rating for carpet cleaning, it will improve if we fit a turbo brush to it after purchasing.

For example, where Hoover's stick vac is concerned, if it uses a standard and removable 32mm fitting, what's to stop you from using a generic 32mm turbo brush floor head? Suddenly pick up has improved!

In short, there's very little point in collectors believing in the ratings, or anyone else who may have generic tools leftover that can substantially improve the performance from the vacuum cleaner sold.


Post# 285292 , Reply# 38   6/18/2014 at 19:23 (3,598 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

I think this new rating system is interesting and will likely come in handy for consumers. And it appears that Hoover UK has some work to do!
Roger, (if I may call you Roger), will you be doing a video on this horrid Hoover?
Thanks
Scott



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