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Hoover Decade 80 Hot Belt
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Post# 282838   6/2/2014 at 21:32 (3,609 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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I bought a freshly rebuilt Decade 80 from a local vac store back in March. Great vacuum. But the belt gets so hot. I snapped one the other day and i can smell rubber burning on the new one already. Am I installing the belt wrong? Thjs js my first Hoover. Always owned Kirbys and Eurekas. I paid $150 for it, so I want to know what's wrong. It has a year warranty on it. I love how powerful it is and the Type A bags are amazing. What could be the issue?

Post# 282840 , Reply# 1   6/2/2014 at 21:36 (3,609 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
$150 Better have bought Quality!

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That's likely more than the cleaner cost new-But it is a true HOOVER!

 

If it was truely rebuilt-Then you must be installing the belt wrong, or even inside-out for all I know. using GENUINE HOOVER parts will always ensure peak performance-The word "HOOVER" should be facing out on a genuine belt. There should be a metal plate on the inside of the belt and air-flow channel. Install the belt so that the lower part of the belt is rested slightly above this.

 

Hope this helps, and if it doesn't, Make use of that warrenty!tongue-outwink


Post# 282846 , Reply# 2   6/2/2014 at 21:51 (3,609 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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There's two ways it can go. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to have the belt lower on the left or right side.

Post# 282848 , Reply# 3   6/2/2014 at 21:55 (3,609 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
There will be a diagram of

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the proper direction of that belt. You'll see it near the pulley. Hope this helps.

Post# 282851 , Reply# 4   6/2/2014 at 22:13 (3,609 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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Upon further inspection the brush roll feels a little tight. There is some resistance.

Post# 282868 , Reply# 5   6/2/2014 at 23:22 (3,608 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
Take it back to the shop-

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And have it looked at under warrenty!laughing


Post# 283030 , Reply# 6   6/4/2014 at 06:10 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Have it serviced under warranty. The brushroll should spin freely with the belt removed.

Post# 283109 , Reply# 7   6/4/2014 at 14:44 (3,607 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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Called today. The motor has a 1-year warranty. Nothing else is covered. He quoted me $20 for a new brush roll.

Post# 283113 , Reply# 8   6/4/2014 at 15:06 (3,607 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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Does it currently have a Genuine Hoover brushroll or a CWP replacement...at 20.00 my guess would be a CWP replacement.



Post# 283127 , Reply# 9   6/4/2014 at 16:02 (3,607 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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The current brushroll is a genuine Hoover. The replacement is not.

Post# 283146 , Reply# 10   6/4/2014 at 18:06 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Genuine Hoover brushroll wholesales for $24 and is special order through all 3 of my suppliers. The generic replacement wholesales for just under $10, so I'd try to negotiate for a bit off the $20 if you're okay with the CWP replacement.

Post# 283893 , Reply# 11   6/9/2014 at 17:57 (3,602 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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So I went by the shop today abd he gave me a new roller and a pack of new belts 44783. It is still getting extremely hot. When I rub my hand over the new belt, small pieces of rubber collect on my hand and its almost too hot to touch. I checked.the diagram and I am installing them correctly...

Post# 283921 , Reply# 12   6/9/2014 at 23:52 (3,601 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

does the new brushroll spin freely without the belt? if so, how's the belt tension when installed? is it extremely tight or is there a bit of play? the belt could be a bit too short and dragging on the pulley, or a bit too long and slipping...either will create quite a bit of friction heat. I'd have to see it in person though.


Post# 283949 , Reply# 13   6/10/2014 at 09:13 (3,601 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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It is pretty tight. But I've always thought the convertible blets are tight. I'm use to the RD belts for the Eurekas. Would pics help? Id be more than happy to post some this evening.

Post# 283951 , Reply# 14   6/10/2014 at 09:48 (3,601 days old) by bvac6 (Fort Wayne, Indiana)        
Brushroll

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What end caps are on that brushroll, are they metal or plastic? Often times ive seen these plastic caps warp and cause drag on the bearings. Or, are the bearings simply not well lubricated? With the belt off a convertible brushroll should spin very freely.

Post# 283953 , Reply# 15   6/10/2014 at 10:09 (3,601 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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They're plastic. I literally used the new brushroll for the first time yesterday and it started doing this immediately.

Post# 283954 , Reply# 16   6/10/2014 at 10:19 (3,601 days old) by bvac6 (Fort Wayne, Indiana)        
Brushroll

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Weird but how freely does it turn with the belt off?

Post# 283969 , Reply# 17   6/10/2014 at 12:26 (3,601 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH)        

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cwp brushrolls are absolute crap on convertibles. get an actual metal hoover brushroll with beat bar. brush strips are still easy to find for them and the bearings are servicable. cwp brushrolls for convertibles have a bad reputation of overheating motor bearings, esp on the old metal based machines.

Post# 283981 , Reply# 18   6/10/2014 at 15:02 (3,601 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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It spins freely

Post# 284025 , Reply# 19   6/10/2014 at 20:44 (3,601 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
I find the CWP brushes

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To work GREAT in the 1980s plastic-base Convertibles, but I would NEVER use one in an older metal-base Convertible!


Post# 284041 , Reply# 20   6/11/2014 at 01:12 (3,600 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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My experience with Hoover has not been a gpod one. I think I will steer away from them and go back to Eurekas and Kirbys.

Post# 284058 , Reply# 21   6/11/2014 at 09:36 (3,600 days old) by bvac6 (Fort Wayne, Indiana)        
Mystery

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Thats an odd problem with the Decade 80, Im not sure what that problem could be!

Post# 284062 , Reply# 22   6/11/2014 at 10:44 (3,600 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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Okay this is what my vacuum man told me, the new oem hoover belts are made a bit smaller then years ago with a stronger rubber compound thus it being hard to stretch over the shaft if you can get it over it & once on the roll rush would barely spin & the motor was struggling to turn. He has had many complaints from customers with old machines burning up motors so he started using eureka belts which solved the problem. You might want to try this to see if this fixes it, if not try rebuilding the old brush roll, they will last better then the new plastic ones. Hope this helps. Cheers!! Mark D.

Post# 284074 , Reply# 23   6/11/2014 at 14:02 (3,600 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

I also disagree that the CWP brushrolls are crap. I think they work very well on particular machines; in the end, it's certainly nice to see something modern available for a machine that hasn't been in domestic production in nearly 23 years.

 

I would not use a CWP brushroll in ANY Convertible earlier than the High-Performance models from the mid 70s. The earlier Convertibles don't have the amperage/wattage and motor speed to get the CWP brushrolls moving fast enough to not get bogged down.  For this same reason, I am also careful to not use any genuine brushrolls or replacement brush strips comprised of white or red bristles - as they are stiffer than the black bristles.  The new, stiffer bristles were introduced when the high-performance machines came out. 

 

Any of the High Performance metal-base machines, or plastic base machines from the mid-70s onward would be an ideal candidate for a CWP brushroll, in my opinion. But again, I would never recommend or even think about putting a CWP brushroll in any Convertible from the 50s, 60s, or early 70s - unless you install a later motor in an earlier machine*. 

 

*I did this recently, having gotten the "formula" from Jeff Parker many years ago, I took parts from both a mid-60s Convertible (model 584), and a Decade 80, and created a souped-up Convertible.  It made sense to combine some of the motor parts, and took a bit of rewiring to get it right.  It works amazingly well, and the CWP brushroll holds it's own.  I picked up the machine at an estate sale and it sat in the garage for a while.  When I found a Decade 80 to part-out, I realized that the 584 was a diamond in the rough, under a layer of filth, so I got to work...   Here's a picture of my monster.  cool


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Post# 284123 , Reply# 24   6/11/2014 at 22:13 (3,600 days old) by smow69 (Muskogee Oklahoma)        
decade

sometimes the decade body where the roller sits gets worn also you might check that i have had two or three this way.

Post# 284145 , Reply# 25   6/12/2014 at 00:00 (3,599 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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This cleaner is in mint condition. No wear at all. And I tried the RD Eureka belt. It will ride too high on the pulley as soon as you turn it on.

Post# 284176 , Reply# 26   6/12/2014 at 10:21 (3,599 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

What kind of carpet do you have, and which carpet-height setting are you running the machine on?

Post# 284231 , Reply# 27   6/12/2014 at 16:02 (3,599 days old) by firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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I have high carpet. I run it on high or shag.


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