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Hoover's new Sebo Rip off |
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Post# 282051   5/27/2014 at 18:07 (3,593 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA)   |   | |
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Everything from the finger tip on/off switch to the height control knob to the bag screams Sebo. To bad to see such a good company use another brands cleaner as there own,
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Post# 282052 , Reply# 1   5/27/2014 at 18:13 (3,593 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Ran out .
I own this machine it OUT cleans Sebo it has Windtunnel technology . It was a gift from my great friend John Gregory of Sweeper central in Dunmore Pa. Many machines are copied this was an improvement over a Sebo . This has been out for a few years and is an awesome vacuum . Dan
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Post# 282053 , Reply# 2   5/27/2014 at 18:24 (3,593 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Post# 282054 , Reply# 3   5/27/2014 at 18:32 (3,593 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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The copyrights had expired. It happens all the time and not just with vacuum cleaners. |
Post# 282057 , Reply# 4   5/27/2014 at 18:46 (3,593 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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See previous threads www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...
and www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... With the new SEBO 300 Evolution waiting in the wings, the Insight's days be limited : ) |
Post# 282058 , Reply# 5   5/27/2014 at 18:48 (3,593 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 282060 , Reply# 6   5/27/2014 at 18:51 (3,593 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 282066 , Reply# 7   5/27/2014 at 19:39 (3,593 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 282120 , Reply# 8   5/28/2014 at 11:24 (3,592 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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If manufacturers didn't copy their competitors once a patent was expired, there would be NO revolving brush on any vacuum other than Hoover. There would be no disposable bag other than Air-Way. There would be no water filtration vacuum except Rexair (Rainbow). All great ideas began by being patented. Once a patent is up, anyone is free to use (and/or improve) a patented idea.
Apparently Hoover liked Sebo's durability under commercial use. They made their VERSION of the Sebo, with some of Hoover's patented features (like Windtunnel technology) to go along with it. |
Post# 282145 , Reply# 9   5/28/2014 at 16:02 (3,592 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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I wonder why patents are not renewed though? |
Post# 282149 , Reply# 10   5/28/2014 at 16:36 (3,592 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 282154 , Reply# 11   5/28/2014 at 17:21 (3,592 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The thing that gets me is that Hoover have far more designers and in house workmen to be able to design something around a design like the SEBO if their intention was to build something close to the design. What I wasn't expecting was something that SEBO could well sell themselves - it looks like a SEBO from a distance.
But then I am the owner of a Vax VCU02 - the model equivalent to Hoover's Signature bagged upright and itself a copy of an Oreck XL. Now of course they're all under the same roof of TTI, it doesn't make much of a difference - but TTI do not own SEBO...yet. |
Post# 282210 , Reply# 12   5/29/2014 at 00:01 (3,592 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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I know that HOOVER made a "convertible" not too long ago. It really was a Savvy. they HAD to keep "convertible" in circulationdue to a patent. THIS information came DIRECTLY from the mouths of HOOVER in Ohio.
The TTI designers in Ohio should listen to others, ourselves included. They need to stop mimmicking Dyson and come up with a fresh, new specimen. Everyone right now is "reinventing the wheel".... OR, the "BALL" |
Post# 282220 , Reply# 13   5/29/2014 at 03:32 (3,592 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Well put it this way, I had a vax mach 8 or 7 uprights, the black one which claimed to have "windtunnel technology" and I literally could not see what it was, and certainly did not pick up anything like my felix. The brushroll are not firm enough and the bristles are too short, not to mention the build quality.
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Post# 282276 , Reply# 14   5/29/2014 at 13:30 (3,591 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 282279 , Reply# 15   5/29/2014 at 13:56 (3,591 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA)   |   | |
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John,
I couldn't agree more...stop fixing something that is not broken. Look at Kirby and Aerus, other than some minor body changes they still have some of best vacuums on the market...and still use bags...what a novel IDEA! Or how about the Sainitaire Upright...still will out clean almost anything on the market..old design...great product. Not to mention only a 6 or 7 amp motor...same with Kirby! In a few years, they will change the design back to bagged and call it a new idea... Look at Hoover in the early years...it made no difference which convertible you purchased, they would all clean the same because they used the same motor and brush roll...the only changes were bumper, cord length, handle grip and headlight...yet they had the consumer fooled that one machine cleaned better than the other....mind over matter...it cost more...so it must be better! Same way I feel about many of the new machines, especially bagless...just because it has a clear bin and you can see the dirt, doesn't mean it is cleaning any better. Remember Lewyt and the bags with the dirt window so you could see how full the bag was without removing it. |
Post# 282284 , Reply# 16   5/29/2014 at 14:36 (3,591 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Someone missed HOOVERS new idea not mimicked by anyone ???
I will remind you with a picture of my gift from my dear friend John Gregory of Sweeper Central located in Dunmore Pa . Hoover has revolutionized the vacuum market once again !!! Even though we hate bag less the "CONSUMER" demands them so that's what is HOT now hopefully they get over it but I don't think it will be anytime soon. Dan
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Post# 282293 , Reply# 17   5/29/2014 at 15:51 (3,591 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Didn't we comment the last time on the Eureka Freedom / Electrolux Contour cordless upright in the mid 1990s? You yourself said it had a short charge - so this "new" Hoover isn't exactly new when a bagged upright that was cordless appeared some 20 years before...?
Dont get me wrong, I think this new cordless Hoover is a good idea, but it can't be full size based on its 1.5 capacity and the mere fact that it is an upright with a moving brush bar means that it may be a first for a modern upright, but I dont think it is that original. And then there's the Hoover Windtunnel Linx / Vax U91-LF-B LiFE cordless upright stick that has one of the larger capacties of 1.4 litres. AEG's Ergorapido models have far smaller dust cups. |
Post# 282351 , Reply# 18   5/30/2014 at 10:37 (3,590 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)   |   | |
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Post# 282353 , Reply# 19   5/30/2014 at 10:45 (3,590 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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why parents aren't renewable - lol, and very true |
Post# 282357 , Reply# 20   5/30/2014 at 12:06 (3,590 days old) by tommymilan (milano)   |   | |
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Hello Guys... at least Sebos are made in Germany, I don't think that it is a bad thing buying good appliances from other company that make still manufacture good cleaners, of course it's a pity that Hoover doesn't put any energy in developing their own vacuum cleaners with a certain design and a certain quality. Very sad for a Company whose name is synonimous of vacuum cleaner.
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Post# 282367 , Reply# 21   5/30/2014 at 13:44 (3,590 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 282378 , Reply# 22   5/30/2014 at 17:48 (3,590 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 283555 , Reply# 23   6/7/2014 at 01:42 (3,583 days old) by DesertTortoise ()   |   | |
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Remember Sebo owes many of it's designs, features and even quite a bit of actual hardware, to Windsor. Also, ever see an upright vacuum from Fakir? |
Post# 283564 , Reply# 24   6/7/2014 at 04:57 (3,583 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 283580 , Reply# 25   6/7/2014 at 10:22 (3,582 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 283581 , Reply# 26   6/7/2014 at 10:24 (3,582 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Yes.
The older, soft bag models were made by Philips, and the current models are made by Nilco. They're nothing to do with Sebo.
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Post# 283604 , Reply# 28   6/7/2014 at 13:30 (3,582 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Actually, the German market as well as quite a few other European countries favour the canister/cylinder vacuum style rather than the upright. SEBO started out as a commercial brand to develop an upright for that market, and though they have a domestic line, they still hold the market in Europe at least, for commercial uprights.
High performance is just another aspect Germans have managed to add out of their precision and detail- their first principle in my mind is reliability and build quality. However, Bosch of Germany produce vacuums in China. But they are better built than a lot of the "big box bagless" brands IMHO. |
Post# 283972 , Reply# 30   6/10/2014 at 13:27 (3,579 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 283993 , Reply# 32   6/10/2014 at 16:07 (3,579 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well... IMHO the only successful height adjusters I've ever used and are quite durable are the heel types offered on the Hoover Senior (Convertible) and Hoover Junior side adjusters. The middle ones set on modern hoods don't tend to last long on European uprights. Either the slider types or dials - they often break because owners forget that most can't be switched when the upright is being used and the handle has to be put in the locked position. That to me is a waste of time and not convenient.
Auto height adjustment for some uprights don't have anything at all and by scientific means purely use the science of naturall vacuum suction airflow between the brush, sole plate and carpet pile height. I am surprised by the Sensor on the SEBO with the manual model though. I know the sensor can be disabled simply by pulling out the chip from the motherboard, but whether that affects the height adjustment dial at the side, Im not that sure. Dirt finder plates have been fitted for vacuums from the 1970s. Its a fancy thing that only gives those who are OCD cleanliness, peace of mind IMHO. |