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Thread Number: 24749
The new Numatics - the spec |
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| Post# 277928 4/24/2014 at 08:28 (3,647 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Hey everyone,
A friend of mine has just bought one of the new "Lewis" Numatics. They're based on the new spec under the new legislation. Some points to note: - they're 580w single speed - the floortool is a Wessel Werk tool, similar to a Miele floortool - super quiet - suction is less than the 1200w models, but not enough to hinder performance and it still spins the Airo brush. 
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| Post# 277930 , Reply# 1 4/24/2014 at 08:29 (3,647 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 277931 , Reply# 2 4/24/2014 at 08:30 (3,647 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 277933 , Reply# 3 4/24/2014 at 08:31 (3,647 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 277960 , Reply# 4 4/24/2014 at 09:48 (3,647 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Does the Airo brush come with the Lewis ? | ||
| Post# 277965 , Reply# 5 4/24/2014 at 10:05 (3,647 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 277970 , Reply# 6 4/24/2014 at 10:13 (3,647 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 277972 , Reply# 7 4/24/2014 at 10:14 (3,647 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 277973 , Reply# 8 4/24/2014 at 10:35 (3,647 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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Thanks for that Chris. I may be tempted to get one. | ||
| Post# 277976 , Reply# 9 4/24/2014 at 10:44 (3,647 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Yay! Single Speed again! :) | ||
| Post# 277980 , Reply# 10 4/24/2014 at 10:47 (3,647 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 277983 , Reply# 11 4/24/2014 at 10:57 (3,647 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 278015 , Reply# 13 4/24/2014 at 13:45 (3,647 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Plus 5 years good warranty. Which being single speed hopefully you won't need it! | ||
| Post# 278047 , Reply# 14 4/24/2014 at 15:04 (3,647 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Does the John com with an Airo brush? also What is the air wattage of both vacuums? Thanks | ||
| Post# 278056 , Reply# 15 4/24/2014 at 15:13 (3,647 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 278057 , Reply# 16 4/24/2014 at 15:24 (3,647 days old) by richardlee1985 (Swindon, Wiltshire) | ||
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| Post# 278061 , Reply# 17 4/24/2014 at 15:48 (3,647 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Thanks Chris | ||
| Post# 278138 , Reply# 18 4/25/2014 at 01:07 (3,647 days old) by seamusUK (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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Well... I shall be sticking a pair on the credit card later- think these are worthwhile keeping NIB :-) Seamus | ||
| Post# 278375 , Reply# 19 4/27/2014 at 15:12 (3,644 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 278378 , Reply# 20 4/27/2014 at 15:29 (3,644 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 278383 , Reply# 21 4/27/2014 at 16:00 (3,644 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Love the vid. The new floor head is very similar to the one on my Hotpoint, the middle portion pulls upwards so the main head stays in contact with the floor. | ||
| Post# 278430 , Reply# 22 4/27/2014 at 17:40 (3,644 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 278451 , Reply# 23 4/27/2014 at 20:45 (3,644 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
I'm betting, | ||
| Post# 278476 , Reply# 24 4/28/2014 at 03:35 (3,643 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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a limited number of these made | ||
| Post# 278810 , Reply# 25 4/30/2014 at 19:44 (3,641 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
WANT! But I can't justify it seeing as I already have a perfectly good Sebo cylinder and not enough storage space.
Really pleased to see how the latest update to Henry has turned out, and hope to see similar from other manufacturers as the new legislation comes into force. Imagine being able to have your pick of quieter, more efficient cylinders that don't double as a room heater, yet still have ample suction power. It'll be just like the olden days. Numatic picked what is probably the best combi floor head out there at the moment, a vast improvement on the one they've used in recent years. I can't believe how well the turbo brush runs on that thick rug either, and it just goes to show they've managed to wring a heck of a lot of suction out of a 580 watt motor. | ||
| Post# 278881 , Reply# 26 5/1/2014 at 08:02 (3,640 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England) | ||
Lewis...
...they are very nice. Not thoroughly used one, but Joe has one from a few days ago, and I had the pleasure of using it for the first time!
First impression's are, it's very quiet. The motor is powerful to say its just 580W but it shows you don't need 2000+ watts of power for good performance. As per usual with Numatic the quality is superb, and the tools are simple but well designed. I'm sure Joe will add some extra photo's soon :-) Will be ordering one soon. Fact. | ||
| Post# 278890 , Reply# 27 5/1/2014 at 09:18 (3,640 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279109 , Reply# 28 5/3/2014 at 05:24 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Henry did fine with the 850w motors they started out with, slowly over the years they've creeped up but that has shown to be unnecessary obviously! | ||
| Post# 279164 , Reply# 30 5/3/2014 at 15:02 (3,638 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Miele and SEBO already have cylinder vacuums in other EU countries with low watts. Also SEBO's D series commercial vacuum version has 1200 watts - it's only a matter of time before they lower that model even further to meet the 900 watt legislation. The reason that they are not here is simply because the brand has tried previously and models weren't high sellers. Buyers apparently wanted higher power, and both Miele, Bosch and SEBO met the customer's demand responding with 2100, 2200 and in Bosch's case, 2500 watts and even higher.
Same with Electrolux who had a lime green Powerlite bagged upright with 800 watts. It didn't sell well. | ||
| Post# 279165 , Reply# 31 5/3/2014 at 15:11 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Also, Hoover's Athos is around 2400w & 2500w, but they have an Eco 1000 watt version. They will probably launch that in the UK & lower the wattages of the Telios & Enigma models. | ||
| Post# 279168 , Reply# 32 5/3/2014 at 15:30 (3,638 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279173 , Reply# 33 5/3/2014 at 15:58 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I like the Athos too. The Nanopack system looks good. | ||
| Post# 279175 , Reply# 34 5/3/2014 at 16:35 (3,638 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The Nanospace idea is a good one but I find it flawed, or rather my neighbour did. She had one on a Mistral bagless vac and the clips didn't last.
Sometimes I wonder what Hoover Europe are on. Customers or owners aren't going to put up with rather silly design elements that break off too quickly - that and those silly tools that clip onto the handles, only for the storer to break off when required quickly. Hoover designed proper tools back in the 1980s and 1990s. They're not exactly heavy, so I'm puzzled as to why Hoover can't include them on the bodies of the cylinder vacs as opposed to cheaply made external tool storers that don't last that well. | ||
| Post# 279176 , Reply# 35 5/3/2014 at 16:41 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Like the Telios you mean? I do agree I find the machine looks less cluttered when tools store in the body of the cleaner as opposed to 3 on a tool holder put on the hose or extension tube. | ||
| Post# 279185 , Reply# 36 5/3/2014 at 19:27 (3,638 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes, the original Telios had tool storage (as well as the current TeliosPlus) but even before that the Alpina and the ARIA models also had tool storage under a flap on the main body and further behind them, Hoover's Sensotronic and other models had tool storage under the lid.
Its like Hoover have gone back two steps with adding external tool holders that were previously only restricted to budget models like the Arrianne. | ||
| Post# 279230 , Reply# 38 5/4/2014 at 07:23 (3,637 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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If that was the case, Benny, then ALL cylinder vacs in Hoover's price range as rivals would have tools clipped to the hose or under the handle - they do not.
Electrolux/AEG/Zanussi still produce the venerable cylinder vac that takes bags and has tools under a flap. Dirt Devil UK has a bagged cylinder model that has tools under a flap. Both of their models aren't as well built as Hoover, so there is really no excuse. | ||
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