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Post# 277519   4/22/2014 at 07:32 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Hey folks,
Since there's been a LOT of drama between the UK members recently, some of us were chatting and thought this might be an interesting, fun way to pull us all back together again. As a team effort, lets pull together the complete history of the Hoover Junior. This should certainly get very interesting into the 1960's - 1980's when the exclusive and unusual models start cropping up. I think between us, we've got them all. Lets try and keep it in order too? I'll start us of with the Hoover Junior 370. The 370 was a complete departure for Hoover as it was designed and built exclusively for the UK market and the first cleaner to not be sold on either side of the Atlantic simultaneously. There was considerable demand in the UK for a smaller cleaner. In many cases, the Hoover was just too large to be maneuvering around British homes. The 370 arrived in 1934. It has a 225w motor, along with the famous "beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans" action. As well as being smaller, the 370 was cheaper than the larger cleaners, which is why it is fairly widely considered to be the first affordable vacuum cleaner in the UK. Before this, only the upper classes would have been able to afford a vacuum. Here is a video courtesy of vintagehoover. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK |
Post# 277522 , Reply# 1   4/22/2014 at 07:59 (3,628 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Good idea Chris!
If anyone has any info on the 375 which is the model which came after the 370, it would be greatly appreciated!
Joe CLICK HERE TO GO TO Ultimatevacman's LINK |
Post# 277530 , Reply# 2   4/22/2014 at 08:20 (3,628 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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No idea about 375 history but here is a picture of one! From My Collection |
Post# 277535 , Reply# 3   4/22/2014 at 08:31 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Sam,
That 375 is lush! The 375 was the first redesign, and arrived in late 1935. Some of the styling changes brought it more in-line with the larger Hoover cleaners, marking the beginnings of the Junior/Senior styling combo. It's certainly more common these days, I think mainly because it had a 5 year run vs the 18 month run of the 370. The Junior 119 followed in 1949 and production/sales of the 375 overlapped until it was discontinued in 1950. See link to the 119 thread. There are 2 styles - the earlier style with the gold lettering on the hood and the later style with red lettering. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK |
Post# 277536 , Reply# 4   4/22/2014 at 08:34 (3,628 days old) by ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277538 , Reply# 5   4/22/2014 at 08:36 (3,628 days old) by ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277539 , Reply# 6   4/22/2014 at 08:38 (3,628 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277540 , Reply# 7   4/22/2014 at 08:38 (3,628 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Lovely, Joe! Did the 1224 come after the 119? |
Post# 277544 , Reply# 8   4/22/2014 at 08:50 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Spot on, George. The 119 ran from 1949 to 1957, when it was replaced by the last of this style, the 1224. The 1224 ran from early 57 to late 58, one of the shortest runs of any Hoover cleaner. It's basically the same as the 119. but in a much more striking and modern colour scheme.
Photo here courtesy of chestermike, showing the 1224 alongside the later style 119 with the red writing on the hood |
Post# 277545 , Reply# 9   4/22/2014 at 08:51 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277548 , Reply# 10   4/22/2014 at 08:57 (3,628 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Wow, that is a lovely colour! Then was it the red 1334 style Junior after the 1224? |
Post# 277574 , Reply# 11   4/22/2014 at 11:02 (3,628 days old) by andy-lux ()   |   | |
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The 119 for me was a pleasure to use. Manoeuvrable and enough power to do a fairly decent job. in a uk home it was easier to use than the larger senior |
Post# 277590 , Reply# 12   4/22/2014 at 13:11 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277592 , Reply# 13   4/22/2014 at 13:16 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277593 , Reply# 14   4/22/2014 at 13:23 (3,628 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277594 , Reply# 15   4/22/2014 at 13:24 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277596 , Reply# 16   4/22/2014 at 13:25 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277597 , Reply# 17   4/22/2014 at 13:26 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277600 , Reply# 18   4/22/2014 at 13:28 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277602 , Reply# 20   4/22/2014 at 13:31 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Alex, that 1334E looks gorgeous! I'm glad you asked about that, as this is where my Junior knowledge goes a bit squew-wiffy.
I believe the 1334E was launched alongside the 1346 in 1968. The 'E' stood for 'economy' and as the 1334E was the budget model, based on the old design. I've not seen one in that colour scheme before though. My Great Grandma had one, but that was 2-tone grey. Anybody else care to pitch in here? Al? Seamus? EDIT: Sorry, Benny, I missed your post. Think we must have posted at the same time. Thanks for the info regarding the 1334 differences. I wonder at which point did they become more plastic. I know by the time the 1346 arrived, the hood was entirely plastic. It seems even at that earlier point, Hoover had cottoned onto plastic being cheaper and were making cuts. There'd be an absolute out-cry if that situation were to happen today. |
Post# 277614 , Reply# 21   4/22/2014 at 14:58 (3,628 days old) by borusa (Edinburgh)   |   | |
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Post# 277619 , Reply# 22   4/22/2014 at 15:14 (3,628 days old) by andy-lux ()   |   | |
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Both my 1334A's had the metal hood but plastic belt covers. One in white and one in the dull grey colour. |
Post# 277625 , Reply# 24   4/22/2014 at 15:39 (3,628 days old) by andy-lux ()   |   | |
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Grey 1334A |
Post# 277642 , Reply# 25   4/22/2014 at 16:32 (3,628 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)   |   | |
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Post# 277643 , Reply# 26   4/22/2014 at 16:35 (3,628 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)   |   | |
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Post# 277648 , Reply# 27   4/22/2014 at 16:47 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277649 , Reply# 28   4/22/2014 at 16:50 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277650 , Reply# 29   4/22/2014 at 16:52 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277653 , Reply# 30   4/22/2014 at 16:56 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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The 1334E was something of a hotch-potch of parts - up against the newly restyled 1346 (then denoted as Junior DeLuxe by the way), looked very old fashioned although the main body was the attractive smoke pine/swedish green combo. It did have a grey bag, and i think the old grey style which was used back in the days of the second series machines - it did seem like they were using up old bits - those bags are like hens teeth now.
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Post# 277655 , Reply# 31   4/22/2014 at 17:00 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277656 , Reply# 32   4/22/2014 at 17:00 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277658 , Reply# 33   4/22/2014 at 17:05 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Al,
I knew you'd chip into a Junior thread :). The info is much appreciated. The 1334E certainly wouldn't be the last time Hoover made a model just to use up old parts. That's some very interesting reading regarding the 370, thank you for sharing. I wonder why, even when the cleaner was such a success, it was redesigned within the first 2 years of production? For a Hoover of that time, 2 years seems a rather short production life. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the next cleaner in our line up is the original 1346 with the brown bag and orange belt cover? |
Post# 277659 , Reply# 34   4/22/2014 at 17:05 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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I have always made it clear my belief that Hoover were not market leaders by accident, it was a combination of good product, clever marketing and extensive sales support. Note how though, the concern was not to use the 370 as a basis to trade up to the 450 or 750, but rather a trade down if the more expensive machine was beyond the means or not appropriate to the house it was being sold into. Note that last sentence, because I have recently been made aware that part of the Hoover sales technique was not necessarily to sell the most expensive machine, but the best machine for the household |
Post# 277661 , Reply# 35   4/22/2014 at 17:07 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277662 , Reply# 36   4/22/2014 at 17:09 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277663 , Reply# 37   4/22/2014 at 17:11 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277665 , Reply# 39   4/22/2014 at 17:13 (3,628 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Fascinating! |
Post# 277667 , Reply# 40   4/22/2014 at 17:15 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277668 , Reply# 41   4/22/2014 at 17:19 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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As we all know, or we should know, the 370 was given a styling makeover by Henry Dreyfus, although I have always been curious as to where the design of the 370 came from. Along with being more in keeping with styling of other models it was also easier to manufacture and to service - service was an important part of the Hoover operation.
I can tell you on good authority that when Hoover operated a fleet of sales/service men (up to the end of the 1950s) they had a target of 21 service call and 10 sales calls per week. of course not only was service an important generator of income in its own right, it was equally important as a means of generating sales leads. This is a favorite ad of mine for the re-launched 375 in 1945 |
Post# 277670 , Reply# 42   4/22/2014 at 17:26 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Even in 1946 the 375 was looking a bit long in the tooth, but it soldiered on until 1950 when it was given a design brush-up to become the 119 - although the US had it as the 115 before we did. by the way, although the 375 was not sold in USA a 115V version was sold in Canada - the 376.
I actually don't have many pictures of the 119, so here is a picture of the line up up to 1958 |
Post# 277671 , Reply# 43   4/22/2014 at 17:31 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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There was a sort of intermediate version of the Junior which was sold in the US called the lark, originally with the same foot print as the 119 - 12", and later widened to 14". Although manufactured in the UK, it was only sold in the US and Canada. We had to make do with the updated 1224 (in blue0 although it was similar to the 119. What WAS different was the tool set which had the lightweight blue stretch hose and restyled all purpose nozzle as has been shown previously.
Her are the cleaners above in action |
Post# 277672 , Reply# 44   4/22/2014 at 17:33 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277673 , Reply# 45   4/22/2014 at 17:34 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277674 , Reply# 46   4/22/2014 at 17:41 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Chris,
Indeed that was filmed at my home in what has now been christened the "Launderetta Conservatoire" by ChesterMike - yes, my conservatory is now full (almost completely full) of washing machines! I do not think it is correct to call it a restyled 1224, if anything it is a restyled 119 as it pre-dates the 1224. Although it shares some components (motor etc) there are some significant differences. It might have been intended as a replacement for the 119, but I believe it was difficult to manufacture as well and in effect, they went back to the drawing board on it. This meant that in some ways the 1334 was just as revolutionary as the 370 some 23 years before for it completely changed the landscape for vacuum cleaner styling in that category of cleaner just as the 370 did - note how many cleaners looked like the 370 in the 1940s and 1950s |
Post# 277675 , Reply# 47   4/22/2014 at 17:42 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277678 , Reply# 48   4/22/2014 at 17:44 (3,628 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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3RD Picture. The tool room. Man in the middle. Had to clean my spectacles as for a moment I was sure as sure he was wearing a dunces cap. Have a look for yourself. |
Post# 277679 , Reply# 49   4/22/2014 at 17:45 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277680 , Reply# 50   4/22/2014 at 17:46 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Al, you are, as always, a Hoover genius!!
I do have a quick question regarding Henry Dreyfuss. Might seem a bit daft, but hey, you never get anywhere in life by not asking. I know who Dreyfuss was and the machines he was involved with, but what was his relationship with Hoover? Was he brought in for a specific reason to streamline the Hoover range or did things happen more by chance than that? |
Post# 277681 , Reply# 51   4/22/2014 at 17:46 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277683 , Reply# 53   4/22/2014 at 17:49 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277685 , Reply# 54   4/22/2014 at 17:52 (3,628 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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The blue polisher or the burgundy? |
Post# 277687 , Reply# 55   4/22/2014 at 18:04 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Thank you for that Chris, I wish I was - as far as I am concerned that mantle still rests with our good friend VintageHoover.
My understanding (note understanding) is that essentially he worked with the Hoover design team as a stylist, putting exciting and up-to-date bodies on the considerable technical developments of those designers. That said, its is my OPINION, that the technical development reached their zenith with the model 150 (or perhaps the model 60) and it was not until the launch of the Dial-a-Matic in the 1960s that such leading edge development was again seen in the market place. It seems (source: The Vacuum Cleaner - A History, Carroll Gantz) that by the mid 1950s Dreyfus started being edged out of the design process until it was all done in house. This post was last edited 04/22/2014 at 18:25 |
Post# 277688 , Reply# 56   4/22/2014 at 18:04 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277690 , Reply# 58   4/22/2014 at 18:11 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277692 , Reply# 59   4/22/2014 at 18:13 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277695 , Reply# 61   4/22/2014 at 18:16 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Post# 277698 , Reply# 62   4/22/2014 at 18:22 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Curiously it ended up (sorry no picture) in a black and grey colour scheme (no lights or hard bags) almost in a tribute to the first Junior models of 50 years before.
Of course in that time the surrounding market place had changed out of all recognition and Hoover had already launched their all new Turbo power models, wherein the Junior name lived on for another 15 or so years. But for all that, at least as far as the UK is concerned, the Hoover Junior can lay claim to being the most popular cleaner for a great many years. It was not the cheapest by any means (Hoover had the cylinder and constellation cleaners which were considerable cheaper for the time) but throughout its life it brought market leading carpet cleaning to millions of homes in the UK, not once but again and again Woopps - everyone has fallen asleep now :) |
Post# 277700 , Reply# 63   4/22/2014 at 19:21 (3,628 days old) by guido (ITALY)   |   | |
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Very interesting subject - the juniors ! Al has lots of information about it, as I can see... and also lots of Juniors too ! Really nice machines, Al !
I wanted to share my experience about the Junior line ! Well, back in 1986 I was 11 years old ( and already heavily in love with vacuum claners ! ) and finally managed to convince my mother to buy our very first HOOVER for our house at the sea...I had seen many SENIOR cleaners around but by 1986 the 652 line - my favourite EVER - was already out of production so the JUNIOR TURBO POWER was the only possible alternative left on the market and we got that one. I "played" with it for almost one year, but it was a very loud and disturbing machine...so over-powered that it used to walk on its own, it even warmed-up the carpet and "peeled" it so much that every time there were entire "balls" of stripped carpet in the bag...the rubber often fell on the side of the beating-bar, leaving terrible black signs on the floor. The hood would soon overheat after few minutes of use and the cable was ridiculously short ...Well if compared to the senior line, the junior was a real disaster ! I was wondering if it has always been so "cheap" or maybe only the last models were such poorly built machines ?! Many years have passed, my mother has passed away and the house at the sea was quickly sold with the Hoover Junior and all. Last year I spotted the very same cleaner in a second hand shop and of course I bought it , for 15 euros I think. Curiously enough, the vacuum worked well when I came home - with its distinctive scream that I still remembered soooooo well - but after I polished it ( just outside ) it would wouldn't switch-on again and is still waiting for a check-up. I suppose I am unlucky with juniors.... |
Post# 277733 , Reply# 64   4/23/2014 at 02:09 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Al,
Thanks again for all the info. Are you sure the black and grey Junior was the last? I had always understood that the all beigh U1104 was the last Junior. I had one dated January 88. Was the black and grey an exclusive? I have some brochures and videos to share when I get home tonight, so watch this space. In the meantime, if anyone has any Junior's or Junior-related bits and bobs to post, then let's seem em! :). |
Post# 277734 , Reply# 65   4/23/2014 at 02:15 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Guido,
The Turbopower's and Turbopower Juniors were considerably more plastic than the Junior line up and certainly not as well made. Shame your experience with them was not great as they're actually brilliant cleaners. If you click the link, you'll find an excellent Turbopower and Turbopower Junior thread which might make for interesting reading. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK |
Post# 277736 , Reply# 67   4/23/2014 at 02:44 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277738 , Reply# 69   4/23/2014 at 04:19 (3,628 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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I am sorry if it appears I went on something of a rant last night, it was not my intention to take over the thread, and I hope other members will post their own pictures and experiences. It was such a popular cleaner that I am sure there are few of us who did not come into contact with one at some point or another. And certainly from the 1970s there were lots of exclusives and other variations so get posting please, there is a lot more to be said in the subject.
Chris, I am surprised you actually got a Junior as late as 1988, I am not doubting your word, just surprised it went on so long although perhaps yours was an exclusive as of course we know that many Hoover models carried on for many years as exclusives long after they had been dropped from the main product line. I believe the black/grey model was the last mainline one but that might not be correct. I have never really felt that the Turbopower style Junior was a "proper" Junior, but that they were cashing in on the legacy value of the name. That said I have a Junior which looks identical to Sam's (purchased for the princely sum of £1.20 and I was able to pick it up) and I consider it an excellent cleaner, certainly as good as anything else Hoover produced. It does not get much use although I should dig it out for a while - I have been using a Junior Deluxe (not unlike the Starlight Juniors in reply 58 above) as a daily driver for some time now. Of course it is not a "proper" Junior either, although again, it is an very good machine. So, enough of me for now, lets get posting more Juniors folks Al |
Post# 277739 , Reply# 70   4/23/2014 at 04:23 (3,628 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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"I am sorry if it appears I went on something of a rant last night, it was not my intention to take over the thread" May I say I didn't think you had? I found your excellent input most interesting. |
Post# 277743 , Reply# 71   4/23/2014 at 05:15 (3,628 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Al, you didn't hijack it at all! Thank you for posting everything you did, it's fantastic to see so much info on the beginnings of the Junior run.
Of course, as we get into the 70's and 80's, there were absolutely loads of Juniors on sale - exclusives, budget models etc. It will certainly be interesting to see what some folks have stashed away in their collections in terms of rarer models. Regarding the U1104, I actually have a brochure at home for the very last, all beigh style cleaner, the same as the one I had. Joe has this now. It's all beigh and fitted with the activator brushroll and comes with a black pan-converter style toolkit. I always assumed it was part of the main run, but could be wrong. I'll dig the brochure out when I get home. The serial number dated it to January 1988. |
Post# 277765 , Reply# 72   4/23/2014 at 11:05 (3,627 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 277768 , Reply# 73   4/23/2014 at 12:03 (3,627 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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John
Of course you must have a few models if only to prove the consistency of the excellence of the performance over 50+ years :) Believe it or not I have actually been keeping an eye out for a DIRTSEARCHER for you in my regular ebay searches but they have generally been too expensive and too far away to go for. But I will still keep looking. Not that there will be much dirt to search for in a home that is already a HOOVERCLEAN home :) Al |
Post# 277770 , Reply# 74   4/23/2014 at 12:56 (3,627 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277775 , Reply# 78   4/23/2014 at 13:03 (3,627 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 277815 , Reply# 79   4/23/2014 at 14:59 (3,627 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Ha my gran had curtains the same as that bag in the last picture! Such was the Britishness of the Hoover Junior that someone must have painted one up for I imagine a queens jubilee... Because I saw one looking all sorry on eBay a few years ago and bought it for a laugh! |
Post# 277817 , Reply# 80   4/23/2014 at 15:00 (3,627 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Will try and reveal the full serial number one day so someone can work out what it originally was! |
Post# 277818 , Reply# 81   4/23/2014 at 15:02 (3,627 days old) by andy-lux ()   |   | |
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Ive always found a junior easy to use. The tool set was ok if not the hose was a bit short and had a diving fit when balanced on stairs on the way down. But that aside. Great machines |
Post# 277861 , Reply# 82   4/23/2014 at 17:06 (3,627 days old) by moojuiceuk (Southampton, England)   |   | |
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As we're on the topic of Juniors - I was wondering about my little 119. I'm guessing it's a late one, but I wondered how late. I've has it for years now. A car boot sale find for £20. Came with instructions and boxed tools (only the dusting brush was missing).
Also, the cloth bag on this doesn't look like the usual 119 bag. Mine has the Hoover round logo, whereas all the 119's Ive seen seem to have HOOVER written vertically or VACUUM CLEANER for aftermarket bags. Were late 119's supplied with these bags or has this been replaced later on in life? In any case, it gets used to clean my attic bedroom and that's about it. Lovely little thing. |
Post# 277862 , Reply# 83   4/23/2014 at 17:07 (3,627 days old) by moojuiceuk (Southampton, England)   |   | |
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Post# 277867 , Reply# 85   4/23/2014 at 17:16 (3,627 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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Is a much later genuine replacement. Those which said "Vacuum cleaner" were none-genuine replacements. I don't know if I ever stocked any genuine bags in my shop as the none-genuine bags were no worse. |
Post# 277871 , Reply# 86   4/23/2014 at 17:31 (3,627 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Wes
As Benny says, the bag is a replacement, unfortunately the original bags, unless emptied after every use did tend to rot if the dirt was left lying in them. Thanks for posting the serial number, your cleaner is amongst the last them to be made, it is from the second half of 1956, with the 1224 replacing it in late 1956. Its a nice tidy looking example though, and these do go on and on :) Al |
Post# 277872 , Reply# 87   4/23/2014 at 17:32 (3,627 days old) by moojuiceuk (Southampton, England)   |   | |
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I kinda suspected it wasn't the original. Looks in too good a condition to be 50's vintage, especially with the white locking collar.
As for serial numbers, a little searching on the forums here has revealled some serial numbers! www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... - post #10. Model 119 Hoover Junior, Bronze & Dark Brown, Produced October 1950 - December 1956 Serial Numbers: K 10,000 = October 1950 K 100,000 = january 1951 K 200,000 = June 1951 K 300,000 = November 1951 K 400,00 = May 1952 K 500,000 = December 1952 K 600,000 = July 1953 K 700,000 = December 1953 K 800,000 = May 1954 K 900,000 = December 1954 KG 100,000 = March 1955 KG 200,000 = August 1955 KG 300,000 = January 1956 KG 430,430 = July 1956 Production End As mine is KG438852, I guess it was made in the last few months of production in '56. |
Post# 278262 , Reply# 90   4/26/2014 at 07:59 (3,624 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Hi Richard
That's a grand selection of Hoovers you have there and you are very wise not to keep the cables tightly wound. I cannot comment on the best way forward to your 1334 (its funny how, although the bags were quite delicate sometimes these 1334s turn up in superb condition) but there are plenty of recent threads on here which will take you step by step through the process. All Hoovers cleaners were fitted with a two pin plug up until 1961 which was actually matched to the colour of the flex to which they are attached, the main colours are black, brown, light and dark blue and pink Like your other bits in that picture too, you don't see many of those square faced Teasmades, I have one with the round face myself Al |
Post# 278348 , Reply# 93   4/27/2014 at 05:27 (3,624 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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Richard
The plugs always had the same general style, I have seen them in both 5amp (the most common) and 15amp two pin varieties. They crop up on ebay reasonably often although mostly black and brown, the pink and blue not so much so unfortunately. I am in the same situation in my house regarding carpeting too, not much carpet to keep trying out the cleaners on :( Al |
Post# 278848 , Reply# 95   5/1/2014 at 02:36 (3,620 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)   |   | |
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While browsing through ebay this morning I noticed the Junior on the link (yes, I know its missing its front cover) and I wondered if this was a main line Hoover colour or an exclusive?
And wasn't there a dark blue one but with a similar grey bag? I had been trying to think what Sam's Union jack Junior reminded me of this morning. If I remember it right in the late 1970s series (I would hesitate at calling it a comedy as it was very bitter sweet) Butterflies the sons of the family had a mini which I think was pained union jack colours or maybe it was just the roof. Anyway, I still think the UJ Junior was a great idea Al CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK on eBay |
Post# 333889 , Reply# 98   9/13/2015 at 13:53 (3,119 days old) by paulinroyton (Royton, Lancashire)   |   | |
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Here are my 2 Hoover juniors, never been used. |
Post# 333929 , Reply# 101   9/14/2015 at 05:33 (3,119 days old) by Nate94 (Sydney, Australia)   |   | |
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@Vintagerepairer I think most people back then had a Dustette to supplement the cleaning tools, which I do believe we're optional, as the suction was much greater on the Dustette and the tools could be attached much easier. I hope this is relevant to the question. Nathan |
Post# 333930 , Reply# 102   9/14/2015 at 06:08 (3,119 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Nate94, of all the people I knew of who had Juniors, not one of them had a dustette and all of them had the Junior tools. You have to remember at the time of the Junior, vacuums were not the throw away items they are today and we much more expensive to buy, so having 2 cleaners was not always an option for a lot of people. |
Post# 333966 , Reply# 105   9/15/2015 at 03:05 (3,118 days old) by paulinroyton (Royton, Lancashire)   |   | |
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@Chris Turbo 500. Chris just wanted to say I love this thread. For some reason I never noticed it until the other day. I think the Hoover junior was one of the best selling vacs in the UK, not only that they lasted for ever. I would like to see a modern Vac last for years. Paul |
Post# 333967 , Reply# 106   9/15/2015 at 03:39 (3,118 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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Kirby519 I have seen comments on here from UK members who say they feel the suction of the Junior was slightly better than that of the UK Senior (your Convertible), given the arrangement with the hose connections. |
Post# 334029 , Reply# 108   9/16/2015 at 03:31 (3,117 days old) by Nate94 (Sydney, Australia)   |   | |
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By the way, here's my Junior 1346A, which was released as the Lark in Australia, with the set of cleaning tools. This model is from 1974. |
Post# 334030 , Reply# 109   9/16/2015 at 04:28 (3,117 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 334077 , Reply# 110   9/16/2015 at 10:22 (3,116 days old) by boxer_rules (Switzerland)   |   | |
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Post# 334100 , Reply# 113   9/17/2015 at 04:41 (3,116 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 334128 , Reply# 114   9/17/2015 at 07:39 (3,115 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)   |   | |
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Steve (Kirby519) What I believe your referring to is the UK's Tradition's eneded up being single speed. It's possible that happened when they altered the saftey switch from the headlight back to the bottom again. But I'd need to check that before confirming if that was the case. Classic III's back and the Heritage onwards all had two speeds. The same as yours in the USA.
Hope this helps.
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Post# 334131 , Reply# 116   9/17/2015 at 09:19 (3,115 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)   |   | |
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Steve, We didn't get the Generation 3 till 1992 over here and the G4 quickly replaced it. So most of the issue's were sorted out by time we got it. I seem to remember Ken (a distributor) telling me that on the Generation 3 if you attached the hose and sat on the floor and pulled the cleaner towards you sharply when the techdrive was on, the handle would move making the drive go in to reverse and you could have a game of tug of war with it. Never tried it myself. Apparently from the G4 onwards you can't do that.
If you have any more questions about Kirby over in the UK market feel free to message me direct so we don't end up highjacking this thread.
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Post# 334156 , Reply# 117   9/17/2015 at 19:04 (3,115 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)   |   | |
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I know I was thinking the same thing about hijacking the thread. I will try and contact you thru private messaging. |
Post# 379100 , Reply# 119   10/1/2017 at 15:34 (2,370 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 379122 , Reply# 120   10/1/2017 at 22:30 (2,370 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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There were these two models, available in several colours, although, most commonly known in black and orange...The earlier, "Starlight Junior" and later, "Junior de luxe" were the final redesign of the Hoover Junior, before going to the Turbopower range in 1983. The more traditional styled Junior model U1104 ran alongside the Turbopower range in the 80s, however, that wasn't a new design and didn't sell as well as the all "new" Turbopower range. The Starlight Junior/Junior de luxe is, in my opinion, the most important lost/forgotten connection for basic upright vacuum design, between the 80s and present, it certainly influenced the Turbopowers and in all intents and purposes, it IS. |
Post# 381340 , Reply# 121   11/14/2017 at 21:22 (2,326 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)   |   | |
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I saw this long thread about Hoover Juniors, and wanted to talk about the one I’m getting soon. I’m not sure if this one is common or not. It’s a Model 1340. I’ve never heard of that particular model. Anyone have any info on the 1340 they would like to share?
Here are some pictures of it. Thank you -Thomas |
Post# 381350 , Reply# 122   11/14/2017 at 23:31 (2,326 days old) by Gj3476 (Prosper,TX)   |   | |
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Post# 381392 , Reply# 125   11/15/2017 at 19:03 (2,325 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 381393 , Reply# 126   11/15/2017 at 19:05 (2,325 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 381396 , Reply# 127   11/15/2017 at 19:11 (2,325 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 381397 , Reply# 128   11/15/2017 at 19:19 (2,325 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 381425 , Reply# 129   11/16/2017 at 08:40 (2,324 days old) by josh (Forest Park, IL & Spring Grove, IL)   |   | |
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Post# 381426 , Reply# 130   11/16/2017 at 09:45 (2,324 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 381427 , Reply# 131   11/16/2017 at 09:55 (2,324 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 381428 , Reply# 132   11/16/2017 at 09:57 (2,324 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 382140 , Reply# 133   12/4/2017 at 13:02 (2,306 days old) by midcenturyfan (Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England)   |   | |
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It would be great if, between us, we could compile a list of all versions of the Hoover Junior.
I have attached a photo of some of my Juniors. This is nowhere near a complete set. Robin.
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