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| Post# 273310 , Reply# 1 3/24/2014 at 19:43 (3,678 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Dirty air machines
Or Direct air machines are more durable than you'd think, my parents have always used Kirby machines, and i was amazed by the stuff i'd find in the mini emptor of their G3. All sorts of coins, and the occasional screw/nail i'm actually surprised the fans survived as long as they did.
Tacony machines like the Simplicity Freedom/Riccar Supralite and the tandem air machines also have a direct or "dirty air motor" When it comes to carpet cleaning there is no beating a direct air machines they provide the highest airflow and really pull out that deep down grit. | ||
| Post# 273311 , Reply# 2 3/24/2014 at 19:51 (3,678 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
motors replaced!? I can understand fans breaking (which should only occur in the event a care-less user has the vacuum ingest unhealthy amounts PhD coins, rocks or other hard, damage producing objects), but motors!would ancient Kirby, HOOVERS, and the like have survived all these DECADES on their original motors if this statement was to be true?
The oldest cleaner I have in my collection is a Eureka from 1929, since I got this machine, all I've needed to do to Ensure the best performance of my cleaner is replace ONE part (which was lost some time before I acquired it), and ONE carbon brush. No fans, motors, etc, in 85 years!
There are countless other stories of lasting quality trough the many decades our dirty-air machine have faithfully Served, with little maintenance, only bags, belts, and bulbs! (With carbon brushes every 20 years or so, and in Rare occasions, a replacement fan). Imagine all the filters the run-of-the-mill Bagless model would have burned Up by then!
These elder cleaners I speak of are still VERY capable in the world of modern household hygienics. Models such As a Kirby do not take but under 30 seconds to equip, dependent on the experience of the operator. I can install The attachments on my Heritage II Legend (and I would STRONGLY recommended you either a Heritage II, Heritage II Legend, or Legend II cleaner for your needs.you stated having allergy in your previous thread, Kirby Allergen bags can be purchased in Style #3 for these bags, or upgraded to use the more modern Style F bags) In 10 seconds.
To repeat, QUALITY, reliability,PERFORMANCE! The Kirby company's motto!
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| Post# 273345 , Reply# 3 3/24/2014 at 22:02 (3,678 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
Lori Ann... The stories you have read on here and the Simplicity web site about Kirby fans breaking are greatly exaggerated. The stories you have read about Kirby motors needing to be replaced because the Kirby is a Dirty Fan machine are totally FALSE! There are many 50 to 60 year old Kirby's still running with their original motor. The motor in the Kirby is completely sealed away from the fan and fancase. No dust and dirt can reach the motor.
Being a Dirty Fan machine means that dirt must pass through the fan on it's way to the bag, but it is because of this very design the Kirby is one of the most powerful vacuum cleaners on the market today. I believe it is rivaled only by the Royal metal upright. On the other hand, the clean air design, because of it's long complicated air path can not provide the powerful suction, airflow and agitation that the Kirby has. You see, in the Kirby, the fan is only 3 inches away from the carpet. The fan in the clean air vac is anywhere from 3 to 5 feet from the carpet.
Unless you suck up a lot of coins, marbles, rocks, screws and nails, the fans in the newer Kirby's like the Sentria are almost indestructible. Please read my research article on the Kirby fan here:
www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...
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| Post# 273354 , Reply# 4 3/24/2014 at 22:51 (3,678 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 273381 , Reply# 5 3/25/2014 at 04:46 (3,678 days old) by lori_ann () | ||
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Stan..... I just read your research report... As I mentioned, I'm not set yet on which one to buy... and I've always loved the old Kirbys! This option is still in the running! | ||
| Post# 273388 , Reply# 6 3/25/2014 at 06:29 (3,677 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Its like Oreck - my parents had a dreadful XL upright from new bought from Oreck UK. The fan had to be replaced about three times - it is a dirty fan upright BUT...
Not all dirty fan vacs are the same. The Oreck is a case in point. It is lightweight and has a lightweight construction. Pop off the base plate and you'll find the motor isn't that well sealed from dust. The fan on the domestic models are plastic whereas the commercial version has a metal fan. That's eventually what we purchased as a part to stop buying plastic fan replacements. The link you supplied Lori is pure marketing of course, there are elements of truth in it but at the same time there's a lot of exaggeration, most of which sptyks outlines. The other thing is, I'm constantly remembering that you wanted to originally clean Berber and that your current uprights couldn't cut it. Kirby uprights and other metal based uprights are pretty good, but like Oreck they're the traditional "upright only." You could buy in any canister vac as a secondary vac (I've always been of the mind that a home should have two separate vacuums anyway, not just offering one as a back up but also offering something that can be taken out as a more portable design, not just for use cleaning out the car etc) but make sure it is bagged to get the best performance long term. | ||
| Post# 273400 , Reply# 8 3/25/2014 at 09:48 (3,677 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY) | ||
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I use a classic 3'to vacuum my garage carpet, I wouldn't be too concerned about fan breakage. | ||
| Post# 273659 , Reply# 10 3/27/2014 at 13:19 (3,675 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 273661 , Reply# 11 3/27/2014 at 13:35 (3,675 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Actually, the Kirby fan material is Polyphthalamide. This word was taken exactly from the Kirby "Proof Book" for the Sentria II. "A patented Impeller design, molded of space-age durable polyphthalamide plastic, resists abrasive dirt wear and blade wear caused by small metal objects or stones. The fan incorporates eleven strong, curved blades for peak efficiency, high airflow and suction."
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| Post# 273663 , Reply# 12 3/27/2014 at 13:50 (3,675 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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I believe Amodel is just the "Brand Name" for Polyphthalamide, a Nylon based super-plastic. Here is a blurb from the manufacture's website:
" About AMODEL Polyphthalamide--
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