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Post# 273084   3/23/2014 at 07:09 (3,658 days old) by lori_ann ()        

First off, thank you all in advance! My sister says I'm nuts! When I go to purchase anything I tend to research a lot before buying something..I've told her that I'd rather spend time and get something that lasts rather than replacing it in a short span of time! and now I'm more than convinced that the reviews out there are mostly from folks who just purchase something, when it's shiny, new and in good working order. Especially Consumer Reports, they do not report on test of "TIME">.. Hence, why my Eureka Boss needs replacing, ALREADY!

My Eureka Boss (Only a couple years old) just is not picking up the pet hair and small debri from my berber carpet. I've been searching for a vacuum. I'm tired of spending money only to have the new machines only last under a year! I've read a few threads on this site and am hoping you can steer me in the right path. I can't afford to spend a grand on a vacuum. But I'm hoping you all can help. Again, tired of spending a couple hundred every year or two!

I'm open to suggestions about a decent vacuum that will stand the test of time! Also, bags vs bag less... My opinion, I've tried both, and find that the bag less just creates messes, and tend not to do the job quite as well. ("m also hoping to change my carpet from berber to low pile in the future (though not sure when!)..

In my searching, here's what I'm looking at so far. *again, this is by no means where I'll likely end up, just what I'm eyeing at the moment.

The reviews out there right now are for the Hoover Platinum (I'll steer clear of the shark)>.. this hoover looks to be nifty... offering both the upright and canister for a very low price. I understand Hoover used to be a decent brand, but after my experience with the wind tunnel I'm skeptic. www.amazon.com/Hoover-Platinum-Li...

This morning I looked on craigslist in my area, not sure of all of the following are still available, but thought to ask you all your thoughts on which vacuum to buy. My needs are the basics... desiring to do the job, also need to get under beds, couch and upholstery, lampshades... etc... I've never owned a canister so I'm unsure how they stack up against the upright, but I'm guessing they do a decent job.

Here's what I'm looking at on craigslist so far:

A Royal for $45, but doesn't look to have attachments rochester.craigslist.org/app/4357...

A Riccar RC1400 for $45
rochester.craigslist.org/app/4359...


A Kirby Heritage II for $75 (I'm thinking these still do the job but as I recall my mother's Kirby, changing attachments was a pain, and it always had things get tangled around the beater brush)
rochester.craigslist.org/fuo/4345...


Post# 273086 , Reply# 1   3/23/2014 at 07:34 (3,658 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hello. Good to hear from you. There will be tons of responses on here from loads of members, but I thought I'd say that any vacuum cleaner can last a long time but it depends on how well you've maintained it.

Is the Eureka Boss model an upright or canister vac? The Hoover Tempo seems to be a good starter all round budget upright. I wish we had them in the UK.




Post# 273088 , Reply# 2   3/23/2014 at 07:40 (3,658 days old) by lori_ann ()        

The Boss is an Upright... truth is the one I bought my son has, that one is great. The one I'm using, I found on the side of the road ... had it reconditioned and it just does not do the job!

Post# 273090 , Reply# 3   3/23/2014 at 07:55 (3,658 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well you're on the right track where Kirby and that Royal are concerned - that should last a life time and they tend to do - but the more modern plastic based uprights have tools on board permanently that would allow you to clean above the floor line like lampshades. There's the compromise - you swap the traditional build of an upright-only machine compared to the ones with tools on board and the plastic build ones tend to be lighter to push in the hand.

Or canister vacuums with Power nozzles -they're handy but Im not sure on the prices as even some second hand vacs can be heavily overpriced. Carpet ownership always requires the brush roll to be cleaned, periodically though.

Just check back on here later on as there will be far better responses from U.S owners who can give you a heads up on what you could consider.


Post# 273091 , Reply# 4   3/23/2014 at 07:58 (3,658 days old) by lori_ann ()        

Thank you Sebo Fan... was just reading another answer you posted, I see you push the Sebo Felix.. is that available here in the US? And will it take care of the dog hair?

Post# 273099 , Reply# 5   3/23/2014 at 09:23 (3,658 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes but its an expensive upright. Im not a dealer or seller just a home owner with a few SEBO vacs and few other brands as a collector - I'm very impressed but I started off a Hoover "Hoover" proper collector if that makes sense. Still like the vintage metal soft bagged uprights - the metal ones really are the best for the carpets.

SEBO's uprights aren't for everyone though - they're not perfect but they are durable, easy to fix, perform well and the Windsor commercial based models like the G1 or Sensor X with manual height adjustment are rare, but great. But I'd wait around for others to respond to you, Lori - they may well have far cheaper brands and models that can fit your budget and needs.



Post# 273103 , Reply# 6   3/23/2014 at 09:59 (3,658 days old) by citroenbx (england)        
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KIRBY VACUUM

DYSON DC07


Post# 273114 , Reply# 7   3/23/2014 at 12:17 (3,658 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Hi Lori Ann, Welcome to the forum.

 

First, let's start off with the question of bagged vs. bagless vacuum cleaners.

 

Let's talk about bagless machines first. In addition to emptying the dirt cup there are at least 2 filters that must be cleaned as well in order to maintain proper suction. Not only do you have to put up with dust flying up and back into the room when you empty the dirt cup, but washing out both filters in your sink can turn into a muddy mess. After a couple of years the rubber seals around the filters and the dirt cup will start to deteriorate and can cause not only loss of suction, but also will leak fine dust back into the room.

 

Now with a bagged vacuum cleaner you won't have any of the problems mentioned above. First, when you replace the bag, no dust will escape back into the room. Also replacing the bag will be a much more infrequent task than emptying the dirt cup on bagless machines. There are no filters to wash (the bag is the filter) and there are no rubber seals to go bad. A pack of bags may last a year or more depending on the manufacturer and how large you home is and how often you vacuum. Most of the bagged manufacturers are now producing HEPA bags that are made out a synthetic type of cloth that filters the air down to .3 microns. These bags are more expensive than the standard paper bags but the exhausted air is cleaner by far than the air you are breathing in the room. They are recommended for those who have Asthma or suffer from allergies.

 

If you're looking for a vacuum cleaner that will be guaranteed to out clean any other cleaner and also stand the test of time, there is no more durable or powerful vacuum than a Kirby or a Royal all metal upright. I can speak with authority here because I own both of these vacuums. These machines are made of high quality Aircraft Grade Aluminum and will last for decades if cared for properly. The newer "G Series" Kirby's (newer than the Heritage II) are heavier than the Royals but the newer Kirby's have a self propelled - assist transmission that makes it seem as if the vacuum is as light as a feather when you push it. The Kirby is a heavy vacuum at 22 .lbs so you need to consider this if you have to carry it up a lot of stairs in your home. The Royal is lighter at around 16 .lbs. Both of these vacuums have very large capacity bags which do not have to be replaced very often. 

 

Both machines are quite expensive when purchased new ( Royal $600+ and Kirby $1,000+) but you can buy used Reconditioned Royals and Kirbys on eBay for less than $400. These reconditioned machines not only shine like brand new, but they have been thoroughly gone through and any broken or worn parts have been replaced so that they perform like a brand new machine right out of the box. A reconditioned Royal or Kirby will last for decades with very little maintenance. The bag, belt, and brushroll are the only things that need to be replaced as needed.

 

The attachments for the Royal are a real hassle to use. The Kirby's attachments are somewhat easier to use than the Royal, but still not real convenient. What many Royal and Kirby owners do is purchase an inexpensive canister vacuum for their above the floor cleaning needs.

 

I hope the information provided here helps you decide what type of vacuum cleaner will fit your needs.

 

-Stan


Post# 273115 , Reply# 8   3/23/2014 at 12:28 (3,658 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
That is my royal!

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It is for sale on craigslist right now. It is a GREAT vacuum, as many others on here will tell you. Although, it may not be the best for attachment use.

Post# 273122 , Reply# 9   3/23/2014 at 13:04 (3,658 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)        

That Riccar canister is quite nice, though without a power nozzle, it won't be adequate for carpets.

The Kirby Heritage II is *very* nice, and it should also be able to take the new Kirby Generation HEPA bags. Those filter better and provide better airflow than the older paper ones. For carpet cleaning the Kirby and Royal will both perform exceedingly well (few vacuums of any age can beat them), but you're right, the Kirby attachment system is cumbersome, and the Royal one is, if anything, worse.

If you're looking to buy new and keep it inexpensive, my top choices would be either the Riccar Radiance or Simplicity Symmetry for an upright, with models available for about $250, or else, for a canister, the Panasonic MC-CG902. For an upright without any attachments, Sanitaire is outstanding - but more so than Kirby or Royal, they do carpets and large rugs only.

If the budget is higher, there are even better options available: the tandem-air uprights from Riccar/Simplicity, Sebo's Felix and Automatic X series, Miele's S5 canisters, Riccar/Simplicity canisters (best out there, I think), Sebo's D- and K-series canisters and several others.

If you're not averse to eBay, you might also look for a used TriStar CXL or DXL.


Post# 273123 , Reply# 10   3/23/2014 at 13:13 (3,658 days old) by lori_ann ()        

Stan... Thank you...As I posted I am eyeing both a Kirby (with attachments) and a Royal..

Fantom, if the Royal is so great, why are you selling it?

Jade(thats my dogs name! She's a gorgeous black lab!)... I'll look into those you mentioned... I don't have a lot of money for a vacuum, but I'm tired of replacing them every year or two! Hence, spending more than I would if I bought top of the line! So, I'm off to check the ones you mentioned, hopefully those around 250 will suffice! Thank you!

My sister has a rainbow she's not using, but she doesn't know if her hubby can get it working as they have not used it in years due to very poor carpet in the house they bought (still renovating, and carpet is next on list)...
but reviews I've read, I'm curious, what do you all say about Rainbow?


Post# 273124 , Reply# 11   3/23/2014 at 13:17 (3,658 days old) by TASE (Colorado)        

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Kirby vacuums will last a lifetime if you treat them well. They clean carpets better than any other vacuum. However, like previously mentioned, their attachments are cumbersome unless you get good at it.

I have a Hoover Duros for my attachment needs when I'm in no mood to use the Kirby's. But typically, I do use the Kirby's attachment set.

For me personally, I can get the hose on my Kirby in 10 seconds. It takes me longer to get the hose of my Dyson DC07 which is quite funny.


Post# 273126 , Reply# 12   3/23/2014 at 14:05 (3,658 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
I own approx. 100 vacuum cleaners, including a second royal.

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I actually have a second royal, which is the anniversary edition. I do not have the space for 2 royals, therfore, I am selling one of them. But, the item is currently sold PPU.

Post# 273127 , Reply# 13   3/23/2014 at 14:07 (3,658 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
Take the rainbow!!!

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They are great cleaners, very sturdy and reliable. There are no messy bagless containers, or bags to buy!

Post# 273128 , Reply# 14   3/23/2014 at 14:09 (3,658 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
To add

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It is worth getting fixed, as new ones are over $2000, and refurbished ones are still pushing $600-700 dollars.

Post# 273129 , Reply# 15   3/23/2014 at 14:16 (3,658 days old) by lori_ann ()        
so you are saying

The very ad I've been eyeing is yours? Tis a small world!

Post# 273132 , Reply# 16   3/23/2014 at 14:54 (3,658 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lori,

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Here is a link to a mint condition certified used Kirby Sentria with all attachments and carpet shampooer included:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/G10D-Kirby-SENTR...

 

IMHO this is a fantastic bargain on a fantastic Kirby Vacuum and Home Care System. You will save at least $1,000 here.

This is a known reputable ebay seller.


Post# 273135 , Reply# 17   3/23/2014 at 15:04 (3,658 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
Yes

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It is my ad!

Post# 273136 , Reply# 18   3/23/2014 at 15:20 (3,658 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Rainbow

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Is a well built canister vacuum that has lots of power.

However, I am not a fan of the water filter system used in the rainbow. It requires you to frequently change the water before and during each use. Also, I have heard horror stories of mold growing inside the machine if you should forget to empty the water and let the filter completely to air dry. This is just what I have heard more than one time.


Post# 273137 , Reply# 19   3/23/2014 at 15:21 (3,658 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Lori,

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You may want to look into a HOOVER Anniversary Windtunnel (bagged), OR, even the Platinum (bagged) upright.
Of course, if you got your hands on a nice HOOVER Convertible and had it completely serviced, it will last a lifetime.
John


Post# 273153 , Reply# 20   3/23/2014 at 16:17 (3,658 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
The rainbow is not for everybody

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The water can be a hassle, but it traps all but very fine materials (powder). If you don't pick up stuff like that, it shouldn't be a problem. I think it is best to not leave the water container in the vacuum after use. I always store it out of the vacuum, and do not have any mold/moisture problems.

Post# 273154 , Reply# 21   3/23/2014 at 16:23 (3,658 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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The Eureka fan-first Dial-a-Nap upright with F&G bag has survived for over 40 years as one of the best designs for deep carpet cleaning. It is now sold under so many different commercial vac brand names - Sanitaire, Bissell, Oreck, Nilfisk Reliavac, Electrolux, Koblenz and Rubbermaid.

You can't beat a classic Eureka upright when it comes to carpet cleaning - a simple design with no fancy bells and whistles.....


Post# 273161 , Reply# 22   3/23/2014 at 16:53 (3,658 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        

I sell Rainbows part time, the D4 is holding up remarkably well if you don't mind a used vac. I prefer my single speed E Series, it is quieter, easier to use.

The powerhead on the newest ones is fantastic.

Like others have said, you either have time to use the water or not, but if you don't leave it sitting in the basin it lasts virtually forever.

Once you get used to the water, the amount of time it adds is minimal and worth the advantages.


Post# 273176 , Reply# 23   3/23/2014 at 19:31 (3,658 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
Update

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The Royal just sold 2 hours ago.

Post# 273208 , Reply# 24   3/23/2014 at 22:08 (3,658 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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I would also recommend a Sanitaire- commercial quality, absolutely unbeatable carpet cleaning, easy maintenance and cheap repairs. They don't have on board attachments though, so maybe buy a small/cheap canister vac for above floor cleaning.

Post# 273219 , Reply# 25   3/24/2014 at 04:32 (3,657 days old) by lori_ann ()        
sptykes

Whats the advantage of buying the kirby off Ebay vs the one I found on Craigslist?


Post# 273240 , Reply# 26   3/24/2014 at 09:17 (3,657 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)        

Probably just that you can return it if it's broken or otherwise not as advertised; with Craigslist the motto is /caveat emptor/. Also, it's a Sentria, which is quite a bit newer. Personally, I'd prefer the Heritage II, but some would differ with me. I think the Heritage II, HII Legend and Legend II are some of the best Kirbys ever made. Not that there's anything wrong with the Generation series - they're great - but I think they're heavier and more cumbersome, and the TechDrive makes them easier to push but no less clunky.

Post# 273255 , Reply# 27   3/24/2014 at 10:51 (3,657 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The motor is the heart of an electric cleaner. If it fails, the machine is useless. To that end, a Riccar or Simplicity vacuum would be an excellent choice. The motor in a Simplicity Symmetry is designed to last a minimum of 800 hours (about 20 years worth of vacuuming). You definitely want on-board tools. There's no joy in having to go back to the closet, and get the Kirby attachments out, hook them up, use them, then unhook them to clean the rug again.

A Simplicity or Riccar (Symmetry or Vibrance) has on-board tools, is made in the USA, and will give an average life of 20 or more years. Repair costs are minimal as everything is replaceable without having to buy an 'assembly'.

You can pick up an American Made Simplicity with on-board tools, for about $200. The bags are clean to replace and inexpensive. You cannot go wrong with a Simplicity (the Riccar is the same machine in a different color).


Post# 273257 , Reply# 28   3/24/2014 at 11:15 (3,657 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Simplicity for $200?

Just spoke with a rep and he said the lowest for a new machine they can go is $300 by the manufacturers ruling.

Here's what they told me they have...

a deluxe model with onboard tools and 4 yr warranty for $389.99

a freedom for $309 and this has no attachments, but they recommend the Sonitaire 7lb which they sell fo $129...

those models are new (I'm sure they have more higher end things, didn't ask).

they do have a nice canister SL36 model that someone traded up ... quoted me $300., so I told them to call me when they get it ready (needs hose, and cleaning).

of the three, anyone have recommendations?

thank you all!

Lori


Post# 273259 , Reply# 29   3/24/2014 at 11:38 (3,657 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lori, Here's why...

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the Kirby Sentria on ebay is really a much better deal than the Heritage II on Craig's list:

 

The Heritage II was made approx. 30 years ago whereas the Sentria was made 3 -7 years ago. 

 

In photo #8 of the craig's list ad you can see how tarnished the machine is, which probably means it was stored outside on a porch or in a damp basement or garage for years. Also, it looks as if the electrical cord has been taped up. Who knows what condition the brushroll or motor brushes are in? Normally, I would have no problem buying a 30 year old Kirby if it showed signs that it was well cared for, but this machine shows signs that it has suffered years of neglect.

 

As you can see from the photo on ebay, the Sentria shines like brand new. This Sentria on ebay is a "Certified" machine which means it is in Brand New mint condition or you can return it and get your money back. Keep in mind the Sentria sells for well over $1,000 when purchased new from the Dealer.

 

The policy on Craig's list is "Buyer Beware" and everything is sold "as is".


The Sentria is self propelled and is almost effortless to push and pull. The Heritage is not self propelled and will be much harder to move on carpet.

 

The Sentria has the new style brushroll with stiffer bristles which is much better at removing pet hair and grooming the nap of your carpet.

 

The Sentria has the new style carpet shampoo system which works wonders on stains and ground in dirt and is much better than the old Heritage style "Rug Renovator" which suffered poor performance due to design flaws.

 

Lori, I hope this helps you to understand the vast differences between these two Kirby home care systems.

 

-Stan


Post# 273260 , Reply# 30   3/24/2014 at 11:49 (3,657 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Simpicity is a good machine, but consider that it is made primarily of plastic vs. the Kirby which is primarily made of Aircraft grade Aluminum.

 

The Kirby will last way more than 20 years.

 

The Kirby is also made in the USA.

 


Post# 273273 , Reply# 31   3/24/2014 at 13:50 (3,657 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Lori Ann

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You can definitely get a Simplicity Symmetry with on-board tools for $200. Unlike a vacuum such as a Kirby, the belt is not exposed to dirt, dirt does NOT have to pass through the fan blades, and the replacement parts for inexpensive if you should ever need them. I sell the $200 model all day long. It's our best selling model due to the price point. Perhaps prices in New York are higher because from what I've heard (never been to New York) everything there costs more than it does in Missouri.

Post# 273276 , Reply# 32   3/24/2014 at 14:13 (3,657 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
$199 Simplicity Symmetry

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This is the ad for the $199 Simplicity, which we sell tons of.

Post# 273277 , Reply# 33   3/24/2014 at 14:25 (3,657 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
lori-ann...

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I agree with Stan (sptyks). A nice, high-quality metal vacuum will last and last and last. Some of Kirby's earlier models are notably long-lived. For example, I have a 1954 Kirby model 514. Despite being 60 years old, it's still an absolutely incredible machine. It's lightweight, powerful, and not too terribly loud. Sure, it leaks a little dust, most older cleaners do, but if allergies aren't a concern, it's not a big deal. The best thing, however, is just how well it deep-cleans carpets. You will never, and I mean never, see a new, plastic, Wal-Mart vacuum lift the carpet off of the floor. That's just how much airflow the 514 has. As it lifts the carpet into the nozzle, it gently agitates the fibers and the HUGE fan whisks the deep-down grit away. This process is what Kirby called "Triple-Cushion Vibration". (see picture) Oh, and emptying the bag can be a bit of a chore if you dislike having some dust billow out of the emptor when you open it. LOL

Another great machine, if you have a lot of carpeting, is any canister that has a lot of airflow and a good power nozzle. One of the best canisters I've used is a Compact model C-4 that belongs to my grandma. Now, keep in mind that this machine does NOT have a power nozzle. The later Compacts, as well as my grandma's C-4, did have the option of using one, but hers didn't have the correct hose to accept a PN. What I used instead was a Vacu-Flo T-21 turbo nozzle that used the vacuum's suction power to spin a beater bar. Despite what some may say about turbine nozzles, this particular power head cleaned incredibly well. It was quieter than most electric power nozzles, and the Compact's suction was more than enough to spin it quick enough for deep-cleaning. The combination of the T-21's beater bar/bristle setup and the Compact's awesome airflow made it a very formidable carpet-cleaning machine.

Here is a picture describing how Kirby's Triple-Cushion Vibration works. They were very ahead of their time.


Post# 273282 , Reply# 34   3/24/2014 at 15:16 (3,657 days old) by ctvacman (CT)        
Lori Ann

Always remember to replace your brush roll or brush strips and make sure your belt is replaced often if your machine uses a flat belt. I find so many people complain about their vacs not picking up like they used to which makes sense, brushes wear out over time. If you say your eureka boss was reconditioned was the brush roll replaced?

Post# 273293 , Reply# 35   3/24/2014 at 18:00 (3,657 days old) by lori_ann ()        
What to do, what to do!???

OK, so thinking about this.. the Kirby.. Pros... it has the shampooer! It stands the test of time! Cons.. heavy, cumbersome attachments... the emptying of the bag for dust particles.. (yes, I've got allergies)...

The Simplicity, if I opt for this, the nearest dealer has these options:

the Deluxe.. for 389.99 4 yr warranty.

the Freedom (not sure which one) for $309 (site says this has 3 yr warranty)... But this one has no attachments. The guy told me he carries the sonitaire for 129.

Canisters they have new, but ....they have a trade in, He said it's an SL36 (though can't find one online to review... I do see Simplicity has an S36_... he can sell this to me for $300 (they sell new for a grand he says)....

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Post# 273300 , Reply# 36   3/24/2014 at 18:43 (3,657 days old) by lori_ann ()        
I hope

the canister they have for trade in is the Simplicity S36! (though I like the convenience of the buttons on the handle of the S38)...


After reading more about canisters, I'm thinking my next vacuum just may end being one! According to this list," Canisters generally have more suction and greater airflow than uprights," I've been wondering about this!



www.simplicityvac.com/choosing-a-...



Post# 273301 , Reply# 37   3/24/2014 at 18:44 (3,657 days old) by lori_ann ()        
CTV...

The Eureka Boss NEVER picked up the dog hair! I was embarrassed last fall when I had my carpets professionally shampooed!

Post# 273304 , Reply# 38   3/24/2014 at 18:55 (3,657 days old) by ctvacman (CT)        
Lori Ann

Gotcha. Simplicity canisters are great, it boils down to how many features you want. Like you said I like having controls on the handle.

Post# 273306 , Reply# 39   3/24/2014 at 19:02 (3,657 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Stan...

Thank you! I almost bought the sentria, but with my allergies I'm thinking that the dust in those is not so good for me!????

Post# 273325 , Reply# 40   3/24/2014 at 20:48 (3,657 days old) by BikerRay (Middle Earth)        

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I have Kirby, Electrolux and Rexair / Rainbow. My 1949 Kirby will still outclean my Electrolux on carpet but my Electrolux will outclean my Kirby above the floor. Rainbow is great if you have allergies but you have to clean it up after every use, you can't just put it away wet.

Kirby's will last a lifetime if you take care of them. The older metal body Electrolux will also last a long time, the new plastic body will last a long time if the unit isn't dropped and the body cracked. I also have Rexairs from the '30's and '40's that still work wonderfully well and have already lasted a lifetime.


Post# 273326 , Reply# 41   3/24/2014 at 20:48 (3,657 days old) by vacu-finder ()        

Well for starters I don't spend much more than $15 to $20.00 on a used vacuum from say the thrift shop, garage sale or where ever. Secondly I'am very fluent in taking stuff apart and doing the reapirs and checking over the whole machine.
I have an older Panasonic McV5218 Upright or something like that. It is on its last legs now, but it has proved itself a very fine machine for over 12 years.

I prefer Bagged machines, never will buy a Bagless, the dust bin can build up with bacteria after a while and emptying it is a nuisance and the hepa filters need frequent changing.
Having said that Ricaar and Simplicity are very good Vacuums. I would not buy a miele they tend to have some quirks that can and will eventually haunt you returning to the vacuum shop for costly repairs.
Buy an Uprite with a Floor/Carpet selector on the power nozzle, that way you can also drag it outside to clean the car without the power brush churning away.
Its also a bonus to buy a machine with a metal brush roll as these have removable brush strips which are cheaper to replace than the whole brush roll. And do maintenance on the Brush roll portion of the machine every 6 to 12 months depending on how much you use it. And keep the motor pre-filter clean, this will increase the longevity of the motor. Its always better to change bags when 80% full so as not to cause over heating.

A quality machine if looked after will last over 20-30 years. Thats my 2 cents.


Post# 273327 , Reply# 42   3/24/2014 at 20:51 (3,657 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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and the belt on the Boss is new? They do not last long, can get hair under the hub and roll

Post# 273396 , Reply# 43   3/25/2014 at 09:11 (3,656 days old) by lori_ann ()        
It is!

The canister I can get is an S36 for 300 (refurbished, only needs new hose)>..

can anyone affirm if this is a decent machine?


Post# 273397 , Reply# 44   3/25/2014 at 09:28 (3,656 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The S36 is a very old machine. At least five years if not more. Good vacuum, but you have to drag a canister behind you.

Post# 273428 , Reply# 45   3/25/2014 at 16:48 (3,656 days old) by lori_ann ()        
hhhmn

So a 5 or 6 yr old S36 for 300, is that a good deal?

Or should I spend a little more and buy the Deluxe model?

Or should I go Kirby?


Post# 273464 , Reply# 46   3/25/2014 at 21:57 (3,656 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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I would go for the Kirby Sentria out of those choices- It is the most versatile, and will last a lifetime (or several!) if you maintain it. You can buy high-filtration HEPA bags for it, and although the bags are a bit pricy, they hold a lot of dirt. It should be great on pet hair, you can even get a pet owner's brushroll with stiffer bristles. If, and I'm saying *IF* you should ever damage the fan (not likely), it is a fairly inexpensive repair.

Post# 273466 , Reply# 47   3/25/2014 at 22:13 (3,656 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )        

I'd say go with Kirby because this is my grandmother's Kirby that she bought brand new on July 25, 1967. It was the last vacuum she ever had to buy and she was using all up until when she died last year at the age of 91. She was so proud of her Kirby!

Post# 273475 , Reply# 48   3/25/2014 at 22:42 (3,656 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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You can never go wrong with a Kirby! They are proven to stand the test of time and have a wonderful life time rebuild as well.

I am not a fan of any of the new uprights with onboard tools. Stretch hoses, the cheap tools, along with the added weight to the machine make it clumsy and awkward to use. Most of the clean air uprights draw suction or use a hose to one side of the machine. This reduces the air flow at the opposite side of the machine. Edge cleaning is weak on these machines.

Since a Kirby is a direct air machine and draws air from the center, edge cleaning and over all air flow is much better.

The other factor is that a Kirby is only around a 6 amp machine. Kirby has received awards for being an Eco Friendly product. Almost all of the materials in the machine are recyclable and can be repaired.

Some will claim the air flow for attachment usage is weak compared to a 12 amp machine, I don't find any truth to that. I have always felt that a Kirby is a great deep cleaning work horse that lasts for years.

Just my two cents... Royal metal uprights are also a good choice. (tool usage not as easy)







Post# 273494 , Reply# 49   3/26/2014 at 06:47 (3,655 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Im interested - I've only seen one or two responses in regard to the Sanitaire/Electrolux metal uprights - aren't they are as durable as Kirby uprights? Surely they would be cheaper to buy?

Post# 273497 , Reply# 50   3/26/2014 at 07:08 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        

I've put feelers out for two local Sentries. One she said her mother inlaw bought used once and said is too heavy... the other they have two units... the second is hundred cheaper (350 & 250)... both look brand new in pics supplied!

Both just responded to my texts... making plans to pick one up. Not sure yet which, as the first mentioned is willing to negotiate and is closer.


Post# 273500 , Reply# 51   3/26/2014 at 07:20 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        

WOOT, picking one of the machines up tonight, like new (dude won one, he works for Kirby!)... for 200, he says (and the pics show) it looks like new!

should I be excited?


Post# 273506 , Reply# 52   3/26/2014 at 08:37 (3,655 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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Yes, You should be excited! That sounds like a great deal if it is in good condition. Maybe post pics after you get it, and definitely let us know how you like it.

Post# 273510 , Reply# 53   3/26/2014 at 09:21 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
another decision

OK, so I can obtain a Sentria that is approx. 6 or 7 yrs old (probably refurbished, as it is a guy who sells Kirby's) for $200....

Or, I can obtain a Sentria that was purchased late last fall for (listed at $350).. this one I have a feeling is Sentri II and she has OBO on price.

I'm going to see if my son wants one, that will solve it... but if he doesn't, is it worth more for the newer model? I'm unfamiliar with the differences.

thank you all!


Post# 273512 , Reply# 54   3/26/2014 at 09:37 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lori

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That's a super low price for a new condition Sentria. Does that price include all the attachments? If it does, then you should congratulate yourself on a fantastic deal! Let us know how you made out, and if there's any questions you have about the machine or its use, besure to let us know.


Post# 273513 , Reply# 55   3/26/2014 at 09:40 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
YES!

They both come with ALL attachments, including disks and shamPOER!both look brand new

Post# 273516 , Reply# 56   3/26/2014 at 10:07 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Sebo_fan...

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The Sanitaire is an excellent vacuum cleaner. It definitely rivals the Kirby and metal Royal for cleaning carpets at a much lower retail price point. That being said, that's all it can do is clean carpets. It comes with no attachments so it can't do all the things the Kirby can do especially shampoo carpets.

 

It looks like Lori is going to get a brand new condition Sentria with all the attachments including the Shampoo system for about the same price as a new Sanitaire.


Post# 273519 , Reply# 57   3/26/2014 at 10:20 (3,655 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Wow, see, in the UK, brand new Kirby uprights cost about twice the price as a Miele S8 Uniq and that's at base level. If I was in the U.S I KNOW I would probably have a Kirby somewhere in my collection!

Post# 273522 , Reply# 58   3/26/2014 at 10:35 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lori...

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There are very few differences between the Sentria and the Sentria II, mostly cosmetic. The Sentria II has a different color scheme than the Sentria. The only physical change that comes to mind is a newly designed (smaller) emptor which is supposed to improve airflow. There is a thread somewhere here on vacuumland where collectors who have owned both machines and said they could not notice any improvement in airflow with the Sentria II.

 

That being said, you should buy the machine which is in the newest condition and has had the least amount of use. If they are both in brand new condition then get the one that has the color scheme you prefer.

 

The Sentria ended production in December 2011. The Sentria II started production in January 2012 and is currently still in production.

 

Hope this helps you in making your decision.

 

-Stan


Post# 273524 , Reply# 59   3/26/2014 at 11:47 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Thank you Stan!

I can't access craigslist from here at work (site limitations) but if you want to look at both... Rochester.craigslist.org one is in Henrietta listed for 240., the newer one is listed in Mendon for 350.

Post# 273529 , Reply# 60   3/26/2014 at 13:41 (3,655 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
adambomb,

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Did you say 1967?! That's the year my VW Beetle was made! Now I need a vacuum made the same year as the Bug! lol

Post# 273541 , Reply# 61   3/26/2014 at 15:40 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lori,

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I was not able to find the Kirby Sentrias on Craig's List under Rochester NY.

 

Perhaps you could post the actual links on here when you get home from work or you could email me. my email address is listed in my profile.

 


Post# 273542 , Reply# 62   3/26/2014 at 15:43 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Stan... here you are

rochester.craigslist.org/app/4308...

rochester.craigslist.org/hsh/4379...

going to look at the second one now, this is the one she says they only used once.

the first one I'm hoping my son will take!


Post# 273556 , Reply# 63   3/26/2014 at 17:31 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lori,

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The first link looks like a great deal at $240. That Sentria looks like it's in excellent condition.

 

However the second link has been removed by the poster. Was that because you bought it?

 


Post# 273559 , Reply# 64   3/26/2014 at 18:24 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
OK, excited and disappointed at same time

OK, so I bought the machine for 300... but it's a sentria not a sentria 2.... they said they used it once. there was scuff marks on the rubber part of the head, though it does look like it could of been from one or two uses, (it's not scuffed like it'd been used repeatedly)....depending on what they were vacuuming against.

The machine does look new! It definitely is clean, even the inside of the cloth bag is in mint condition!

I tested it there, it ran fine. Got it home, on neutral it's great, on Drive it squeaks... wondering if it needs oil? I'm wondering if they had water damage as it was in their washroom. the front wheel axel has a little (I do mean little) rust. (yes, I noticed the rust before purchasing, it did not deter me!)...

So far I've vacuumed part of my living room (Have to move furniture for rest)... and the love seat! OK, wait, going to use the old machine on the couch, then follow with this one, brb... wow! I never liked the "power brush" that came with the boss, didn't seem to do much... this thing just blew it away! Other makers should take note of how to create a power brush for furniture from Kirby!

I don't see an attachment to get in corners and along walls? the one I see has what looks like a pipe cleaner, looks to me like it's for electronics? (someone needs to look at manual!)

There's two plastic container attachments, need to look up the smaller one, as I know the larger is part of the shampooing kit. Can't wait to try that out, not tonight, still haven't eaten and it's quarter after seven! LOL....

All in all, I think I did good! the manual's date shows 2011, so it's definitely newer than the other one I'm hoping my son picks up! (He said it was 6 or 7 yrs old)... does anyone know how to tell the year? serial number engraved on the metal just above where bag attaches is 1120504863... according to something I just read online, the person that did it didn't know what the first digit was, but according to the article this was manufactured in May of 2012?

Here's the link http://www.ebay.com/gds/HOW-TO-DETERMINE...

I'll try to get pics up, (they had taken down the ad before I got home so I couldn't pull those ones :( )

If anyone has any suggestions for me on using my new (to me) toy, by all means! I want to get the most for my money! :)


Post# 273565 , Reply# 65   3/26/2014 at 19:18 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
BUYERS REMORSE!

So after vacuuming one room my air stinks! I think this was sitting in water at one point, hence the rust on the axel...

can anyone help me? (I called to return it, they hung up on me :( )


Post# 273568 , Reply# 66   3/26/2014 at 19:34 (3,655 days old) by ctvacman (CT)        
Lori

Try bringing back to them instead of over the phone. Otherwise if you really like the vac just wash the outer bag, just because it looks clean doesn't mean it is, you can't see smells. I've washed many a dirty kirby bags in my early collecting years and it always solved the problem.


The worst case is I bought a g6 and I was sneezing and my eyes were watering because it had tons of cat dander and such, and I'm not allergic that bad. That's how nasty that machine was and it didn't look that bad on the inside.

Try washing the entire bag assembly as one , I say that because removing that clamp on the bottom of the bag that holds it on the emptor is a pain and getting it back in place is just as bad.


Post# 273569 , Reply# 67   3/26/2014 at 19:41 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Thank you CTV!

I will wash it!

I put the floor head back on and it's not squealing anymore.. might of been how the head was attached?

Someone needs to learn about her new machine!

Anyway, I'm LOOKING for things to use this baby on!!!!!!!! :) too bad I only have 900 sq feet, and the kitchen (which is sizable) and bathroom are linoleum! hhmmm, did I read somewhere I can use the kirby on hard floor? LOL

oh, it's almost nine, maybe that fun will have to wait, LOL

In the meantime, that other kirby is still available, trying to get my son to commit to paying for it, so I can get it for him! (I can't afford to buy it for him, I just spent over $100 on a new wardrobe for my grandson!) LOL

perhaps I should eat something?


Post# 273571 , Reply# 68   3/26/2014 at 19:46 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lori,

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Congratulations and have fun using your new Sentria.

 

I'll try to answer a few quick questions for you:

 

If that is the actual serial # of your Sentria then it was made in May of 2012 which means it was one of the very last Sentrias made before the Factory switched production to the Sentria II in July of 2012.

 

The transmission normally makes a soft low pitched sound during use. That is the sound of gears turning inside. However if it is making a high pitched squeak it could be because it caused by one of the two belts inside. If the squeak doesn't go away after a few hours of use, then the transmission may need servicing by authorized service center. Again, it is normal for the transmission to make a soft low pitched sound as you move the machine back and forth. Many folks bring their kirby in for service and then they're told that sound is normal.

 

The crevice tool has like a small wire brush on the end of it. This wire brush pulls right off the end with very little force. The manual will explain what the brush is used for.

 

The small plastic container is screwed into the handheld sprayer and is used as a shampoo sprayer for furniture and carpeted stairs.

 

Let me know if you have any more quiestions.

 

-Stan

 

 


Post# 273577 , Reply# 69   3/26/2014 at 19:56 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Lori,

 

Be sure to wash that outer bag on gentle cycle and let it air dry thoroughly . Also replace the inner bag with a brand new HEPA cloth bag. The cloth HEPA bags contain odors and if you do this you should not have any more problems with odors.

 

Kirby makes a Hard Floor Care Kit that contains a new special nozzle with special brushroll for hard floors. The kit also contains floor wax and a wax applicator.

 


Post# 273582 , Reply# 70   3/26/2014 at 20:10 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Kirby Unveiled!

Here's my baby!

Post# 273583 , Reply# 71   3/26/2014 at 20:12 (3,655 days old) by ctvacman (CT)        
Also Lori

The kirby website has the videos on how to use the sentria

Post# 273584 , Reply# 72   3/26/2014 at 20:12 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
the whole kit and caboodle!

here's the entire thing...



Post# 273585 , Reply# 73   3/26/2014 at 20:14 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Stan

I'm assuming the disc I have will tell me how to use it as well?

I didn't realize I could throw the bag in the washer! swwweeettt!

Can I put anything in the bag for deodorizing?


Post# 273589 , Reply# 74   3/26/2014 at 20:20 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Great photo. Looks just like mine!!!

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I forgot to mention that the gray rubber bumper on the floor nozzle is easy to replace. You can get one here:

 

www.goodvac.com/Kirby_Sentria_vac...


Post# 273592 , Reply# 75   3/26/2014 at 20:26 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        
ah hah!

I bet they did replace it and say they only used once.. but then again, it is a may 2012 model... either way, I think I got a steal!

Post# 273593 , Reply# 76   3/26/2014 at 20:36 (3,655 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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Don't put the whole bag assembly in the washer! It needs to be removed from the emptor (the lower plastic portion with fill tube attached), which can be done by *GENTLY* prying the plastic strap at the bottom apart- the strap works similar to a zip tie... THEN the bag can be removed, the topper slides off over the clip, and it can be washed in the washer on warm water gentle cycle. I have dried them in the dryer on the lowest heat setting, but if your dryer geta very hot, just hang it to dry overnight. Then it can be reassebled with a new bag inside.

Post# 273594 , Reply# 77   3/26/2014 at 20:42 (3,655 days old) by ctvacman (CT)        
Yes

Forgot to add don't machine wash the entire thing. I usually just hand wash mine in the shower.

Post# 273603 , Reply# 78   3/26/2014 at 21:26 (3,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Lori,

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Maybe you should wash the bag by hand. Removing the emptor and reattaching it can be tricky and frustrating.

 

You mentioned deodorizer for your Kirby so here it is:

 

www.goodvac.com/Kirby_Original_Sc...

 

 


Post# 273604 , Reply# 79   3/26/2014 at 21:29 (3,655 days old) by lori_ann ()        

again, thank you! looks like that site will come in handy for future needs! Belts, brushes, etc... though right now everything is in MINT condition :)

Post# 273626 , Reply# 80   3/27/2014 at 05:51 (3,654 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Does Kirby

have a window washing kit? it does everything else! (please, don't laugh! I'm serious!)

LOL


Post# 273627 , Reply# 81   3/27/2014 at 06:15 (3,654 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Kirby window cleaner-maybe you could spray window cleaner from the Kirby Sprayer on your windows-then wipe or squeegee them.Just as easy to use a spray bottle,though.

Post# 273652 , Reply# 82   3/27/2014 at 12:13 (3,654 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
Buyer Beware!

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That is what you have to be careful of on craigslist! Technically, unless they tell you, they are not obligated to refund your money if there is a problem.

Post# 273791 , Reply# 83   3/28/2014 at 10:39 (3,653 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Here is some new information

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This article describes how the Latest Kirby Fan (G5 thru Sentria II) was developed by a joint effort of NASA and Kirby:

 

http://spinoff.nasa.gov/spinoff1997/ch9.html

 

 

 







 


Post# 273848 , Reply# 84   3/28/2014 at 16:55 (3,653 days old) by lori_ann ()        
Thank you everyone

So, after talking further with the guy that had the less expensive Sentria, I'm glad i spent the extra hundred... he doesn't have any of the manuals, disks, nor the shampooer.... and, mine was manufactured in May of '12, his was '06.... :)

(my son opted to take my old Eureka Boss and use it interchangeably with his, which is the same vacuum.)



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