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Post# 272076   3/16/2014 at 10:19 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Introducing the Hotpoint Dual Clean.

I got this last Tuesday for £71.48 off the official Hotpoint Shop, down from £129.99. Most places including ao.com sell it for £180, but if you paid anymore it wouldn't be worth it in my opinion. £180 is a fair price IMO.

Overall I am pleased with it, it has good suction & is pretty quiet. It comes with a good range of accessories & the Dual Clean feature makes this vacuum very flexible to change from one to the other.

I was going to go for the Multi-Care model but then I decided on this because after a whie with a bagged vac I get bored because you fill a bag, then change it so I thought, well then I get to try the Bagless Technology that Hotpoint have come up with!

The remote control system is a great addition to the cleaner. It has 5 different settings, an on/off button & an air suction control regulator.

So all in all a good offering in the world ov vacuum cleaners by Hotpoint. It is quite well built, has the Pure Clean HEPA 13 filter which is the highest you can go. It's quiet & has very powerful suction, a good range of tools, the dual system & of course the trolley system which comes handy when in use.

(Pictures to follow)


Post# 272077 , Reply# 1   3/16/2014 at 10:24 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Showing the Dual System. Both work very well surprisingly, but Hotpoint say that you should take the seal out when using the bagless portion. The conversion kit consists of the seal/gasket, filter & holder, dust bag & dust bag holder. The asked. I have left in & it has made the bagless part better as it gives more airflow to separate the dirt, thus keeping the filters cleaner longer.

The Dust Bag holds 3.5 litres & the Dust Box holds 2 litres. The bags are really thick & are the equivalent to numatic Hepa-Flo bags, & they hold the dust in well.


Post# 272078 , Reply# 2   3/16/2014 at 10:29 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Showing the bagless system. It looks like a nasty clogging mess, but it isn't. There is a cyclone where the air comes through the dirt is separated then it is flung over into the dust container & it spins round until its full. There are seals on the lid & seals on the Pure Hepa 13 Filter. All of the filters are washable which is good too.

One thingi have found with the bagless system is that no suction is lost during use & the machine is still quite like when in bagged mode.


Post# 272079 , Reply# 3   3/16/2014 at 10:33 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Showing the Trolley System. This is a nice addition but I only use it when I use the Turbo Nozze or when im cleaning hard floor as using the standard nozzle on carpet requires 2 hands to push. It s also very good for manoeuvring around difficult small areas. It then folds down to become a carry handle on a regular cylinder too.

Post# 272080 , Reply# 4   3/16/2014 at 10:37 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

There is a 7m cord on this model, which then gives a 10m operating radius. This is good for a cylinder cleaner IMO. The cord rewind lets the cord flow steadily into the cleaner without damage. You also have an on/off switch if you don't want to use the one on the handle. In the middle there is the compartment to store the crevice tool & dusting brush. Both of which are very handy.

Post# 272081 , Reply# 5   3/16/2014 at 10:41 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

The Remote Control is a great feature on the model. It has 5 different settings & when switched on it is pre-set to the 3rd one. However if you switch it off on the machine it won't switch on on the handle. It requires 3 AAA batteries which come with the machine. There is also an air regulator at the back.

Post# 272083 , Reply# 6   3/16/2014 at 10:47 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Accessories. You get 4 heads with this model. The standard carpet/hard floor nozzle, which is made by Wessel Werk & is of a very good quality & weight. Secondly you get the Parquet Nozzle, which is generic & found on quite a few Vax machines. Thirdly you get a Turbo Nozzle which is medium size, found on a Numatic Harry. You can use it on the floor aswell as on the sofa or above floor cleaning. Then you get a sofa brush with very soft rotating bristles which spins as soon as it touches the surface. You can use it on sofas, mattresses, blankets & beds. It works very well & is a nice addition.

I also like the Hotpoint branding too.


Post# 272084 , Reply# 7   3/16/2014 at 10:50 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Finally showing the Pure Clean HEPA 13 filter. This according to Hotpoint traps 99.95% of dust. The air that comes out is clean & it is washable much like all of the other filters on the machine also.

Post# 272094 , Reply# 8   3/16/2014 at 11:53 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Picture of the rating sticker:

Post# 272099 , Reply# 9   3/16/2014 at 13:49 (3,665 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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Congrats Beckham looks nice and impressive selection of heads you get with this model, is it quiet? Also is the cord a decent length?

Dan


Post# 272103 , Reply# 10   3/16/2014 at 14:28 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Thanks for the congrats Dan.

Yes it is quiet, even on full 2200w power I am able to talk over the slight noise. The 7m cord is a great addition to the cleaner, I was fed up with the short lengths you get from Vacuums by Hoover, Vax etc.


Post# 272219 , Reply# 11   3/17/2014 at 08:44 (3,664 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oooh very nice, HiLO! I expect a good review on this one!

I am surprised that is made in China though - I thought Hotpoint's vacs were going to be made in Poland. What kind of batteries does the handle take?

I like the black and silver finish though I'm not keen on any cylinder vac with a filter on its bum - it means when you clean in the upright position, whatever surface it is left on may well be warm or hot to the touch dependent on how high the suction speed is. Be careful of that!


Post# 272221 , Reply# 12   3/17/2014 at 08:53 (3,664 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

That tool kinda looks like a Dyson DC50 brushbar in white! :D Looks like a nice vacuum, and I love the extension handle which reminds me of luggage in the Airport! :D

Post# 272231 , Reply# 13   3/17/2014 at 12:04 (3,664 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

It might be Made In China Sebo_Fan but it is very well built using ABS. Much like the AEG/Electrolux cleaners that are Made In China but they come out well built.

The HEPA 13 Filter is sadly in the wrong place but the filtering power more than makes up for it.

Thanks for your kind words everyone!


Post# 272257 , Reply# 14   3/17/2014 at 16:36 (3,664 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I guess we will have to wait a while for your true opinions on this vac, as you thought your Hoover Jazz was wonderful at first, but its only when its been in use for a while that you find out that its not all its cracked up to be, and design flaws start cropping up.

BTW, Hotpoint didn't come up with that cyclone cassette, its pretty much a direct copy of the Hoover Dust Manager cylinder cassette used to make the Sensory a bagless model. The Dust manager also came with a bagged conversion kit so it could be used bagged or bagless - which in my opinion was a good idea.

Sad to see its Made in China, Like Sebo_fan, I thought these were to be made here in Europe.

On the plus side - you paid the right price for it!

Does the remote control work if the cleaner is behind you and the path between the hadle and the unit is blocked? It looks like an Infra Red remote system rather than a Radio Frequency controlled model (Much like a TV Remote) - hence the little transmitters pointing in 4 directions on the handle.


Post# 272260 , Reply# 15   3/17/2014 at 17:03 (3,664 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hoover didn't come up the cyclone bin system either - it first appeared from Electrolux who offered it with one of their cylinder vacuums based on the Tango and equipped the machine with dust bags as an option to use in lieu of.

Electrolux are continuing this bonus with their current Ergoeasy bagged/bagless cylinder vacs, now in the UK under AEG and Zanussi.

I had the Hoover Telios "bagless" which has a similar cyclone box and it was absolutely hellish. The Hotpoint one looks like a much better, simpler unit.


Post# 272261 , Reply# 16   3/17/2014 at 17:14 (3,664 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

It is...it empties easily & is made of a high quality plastic. What's great is that there is no suction loss either.

Post# 272262 , Reply# 17   3/17/2014 at 17:17 (3,664 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Knowing that there is a lower power model, which is what I would have bought had Hotpoint not taken so long to get these vacs to the market, they're going to have to produce an Eco model soon, and perhaps that will arrive soon, too.

In terms of dust bags, how many do you get in a pack, HiLo and how much are they on average?


Post# 272263 , Reply# 18   3/17/2014 at 17:18 (3,664 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Hi Steve - yes the opinions written above are judged on a week of daily use, bagged & bagless. However the Hotpoint Dust Box is a much simpler design unlike Hoover ones that have little cracks where dust gets clogged. I will reserve judgement then write a proper opinion later.

And yes - the Remote Does work if the Cleaner is behind you, it looks as if it's an Infra-Red system but at least it's not an electric hose like on a Hoover Silent Energy.

They are Made in Chine yes but they are still good quality & worth the money (well I paid for it anyway).


Post# 272264 , Reply# 19   3/17/2014 at 17:19 (3,664 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Well Sebo-Fan, looking on Qualtex who sell the genuine bags, they come in packs of 10 for £4.11.

Post# 272276 , Reply# 20   3/17/2014 at 18:19 (3,664 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The best feature of that model is the handle remote. Not enough cylinder vacs come with it IMO, and Miele should be doing better on this score - their vacs seem to be getting more basic and no frills compared to what the used to produce - ie the Revolution with full handle remote. Now there is very little in the range with a handle remote.

Even Samsung have managed to put remote handle controls on their latest cylinders - albeit crap ones that don't have many settings.

The remote handle is something I find very useful on the Sebo K3 I recently bought. I only wish all but the cheapest cylinder models came with them.

 

Remember also that the cassette is only a single cyclone, so will require the pre motor filter to be washed more often, so check it often!

Does it have an airflow restriction light?

The rear filter design reminds me of the Vax Power 6 I have, which wasn't designed to be stood on its back end.


Post# 272277 , Reply# 21   3/17/2014 at 18:25 (3,663 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Wow, thats good value! Synthetic or paper?

Post# 272280 , Reply# 22   3/17/2014 at 18:50 (3,663 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Steve - I agree with you there about the Remote Control, it's sooooooo handy! If I need extra suction, or to turn it down, the controls right there in my hand. And it has 5 settings too which does help.

Oh & by the way, despite the fact that the Dust Box is only Single Cyclone, due to the sheer amount of suction power the machine produces, only very fine dust is let through the filter, in fact in the bin itself you see all of the little dust particles as they have been separated. In fact there are two filters, one a foam filter which protects the Pure Clean HEPA 13 Filter. On bagless models there are two but they are all washable. I have found with Daily use they have only needed tapping on the side of the bin & they're good to go.

Yes, it does have an air restriction light, it glows bright red if you put your hand over the end of the hose & an air valve opens up.

Sebo_Fan, they are Synthetic Bags.

I might have to put up a demo video tomorrow on Youtube.


Post# 272291 , Reply# 23   3/17/2014 at 19:55 (3,663 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Could you put up a link to where you found the bags for your Trolleyvac? I cant seem to be able to find them despite a good search.

 

HiLo - In the link below could I also draw your attention to reply #33, and also in reply #72 on this thread can you spot the mistake?



CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK



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Post# 272341 , Reply# 24   3/17/2014 at 23:39 (3,663 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

HiLo - Any chance you could measure the length of the hose? Am wondering about how much hose you get on the TOL model.

For example, Sebo give you 2.1m, Numatic Henry gives you 2.4m etc

 

Also, its gone back up again on Hotpoint website, and also out of stock - its possible you bought the only one they had!

 

 



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Post# 272352 , Reply# 25   3/18/2014 at 03:53 (3,663 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        
Out of stock

With a 2200 watt motor and new laws coming into force in a few months time, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last we will see of these cleaners before a lower wattage motor is fitted.

Frankly, I am amazed that such a new range of cleaners as been developed and put on sale with such a high wattage motor so soon to the changes which lie ahead. It's not like the new laws have been kept secret, so Hotpoint must have known.


Post# 272355 , Reply# 26   3/18/2014 at 04:38 (3,663 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Don't the laws only apply to vacuum cleaners produced in the EU? or does it apply to those sold in the EU. I think they can carry on producing old models for as long as they want with the high power motors, but cant produce any NEW models with anything higher than a 1600W motor. Its a bit of a grey area and I'm still not exactly sure how it will work, as there are still so many models still for sale over 1600W.

I know one thing - I cant find the bags for these hotpoint cleaners anywhere - nowhere sells them. I downloaded the manual for this vac and it has no bag specs or anything. I suspect you have to phone Hotpoint and pay a fortune for them - if they actually have any in stock that is.




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Post# 272378 , Reply# 27   3/18/2014 at 11:08 (3,663 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I have to disagree with the AEG/Electrolux vacs being well built. In my opinion they are among the worst out there. Very think plastic, rough edges, squeaks and just poorly finished and quite expensive for what they are, mind you I have only had two models - AEG nimble and the AEG upright with self cleaning brushroll ? Cant remember what it's called. Only had it one day then sent it back ahah.

As regards the ABS plastic bit, that can be a con, especially for Chinese made products. What they do is name the company/supplier of the plastic "ABS" so they can stamp that on the components. Quite often its just a very cheap material.


Post# 272389 , Reply# 28   3/18/2014 at 12:34 (3,663 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Yes Steve - I realise the mistake. I was going on what Sebo_Fan had said earlier in the thread about them being produced in Poland.





Post# 272390 , Reply# 29   3/18/2014 at 12:36 (3,663 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Link for bags. I even emailed Qualtex & gave them the model & they said they were correct.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO hi-loswitch98's LINK


Post# 272394 , Reply# 30   3/18/2014 at 14:01 (3,663 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Hi Steve, the hose is 1.5m.

Post# 272430 , Reply# 31   3/18/2014 at 18:09 (3,663 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Hilo - that link for the bags only links to the Qualtex homepage, so not a lot to see there. Qualtex is a trade organisation that only deals with traders, not the public, so I cant get into the catalogue. How did you convince them you were a trader? What is the bag code on the bags that they reckon will fit, so I can google it to see who retails them.

It would help other potential buyers of these mysterious vacs if we actually knew where to buy the bags.

Thanks for measuring the hose - they don't specify hose length, or bag type in the specs.


Post# 272431 , Reply# 32   3/18/2014 at 18:15 (3,663 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Yes they are pretty skimpy(?) in details of the machine itself.

The bags code is HPTC00298811, but I'm not sure how far you'd get with the code. If you're wandering how I have an account, my dad is a registered member so anything off there I want he orders it, obviously I pay but sometimes you do get some real bargains like filters cut to fit the machine at 26p each are a steal!

Your welcome about the hose, it seems longer than that though.


Post# 272434 , Reply# 33   3/18/2014 at 18:24 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I was trawling everywhere I could think of trying to find a bag for your machine - the closest I got was a Nilfilsk Bravo bag, but without knowing the dimensions of the bags, its hard to be sure - they look the same, but the bag collar could be a different size.

The bag code you give returns no results - so again, back to square one.

 

Why cant these manufacturers realise that if people feel that they cant get the parts or consumables for these machines, then they are hardly likely to buy them are they. I would have reasonably thought the Hotpoint could have had the bags for these machines on their shop website - but they don't, so it makes me wary. They didn't specify hose length as 1.5 M is the standard length for canister machines - most budget cylinders have a hose this length - which is why the Henry is such good value for its 2.4 m hose.

 

Had they advertised the bags for this machine, and it had still been £75, I'd have probably bought one, but now I will wait and see how things pan out, and if the aftermarket like "buydustbags.co.uk" ever get a substitute bag for this range, as postage is free on there if you spend over £10. I've used them many times and they always deliver - they are part of "Buyspares" but postage is cheaper/free, unlike Buyspares itself.



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Post# 272435 , Reply# 34   3/18/2014 at 18:27 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Steve, I had a Voucher Code for my Hotpoint, so it was reduced down from £129.99. Do you want the Voucher code?

Post# 272436 , Reply# 35   3/18/2014 at 18:29 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Actually, found some spare bags that came with my Swan PetMaster Cylinder Cleaner...they fit.

Post# 272438 , Reply# 36   3/18/2014 at 18:37 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Thanks for the offer Hilo - but its the bag dilemma that's putting me off. WHats the model number of your swan petmaster, so I can check out bags for this on the above site?

Can you believe that obtaining bags for your vac is so difficult?

Hotpoint have no stocks of your model anyhow.


Post# 272439 , Reply# 37   3/18/2014 at 18:45 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Are you sure? I just added another to my basket now & it said it was out of stock.

To be honest I prefer using mine bagless, obviously a bag comes in handy but it's quite cool seeing the amount of dirt it sucks up.

Sorry...I've forgotten the model number as I sent it back. I think you should be able to find them under 'Swan Petmaster' though.

I was onto Hotpoint for ages about bags but they never replied.



Post# 272441 , Reply# 38   3/18/2014 at 18:51 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        
I was onto Hotpoint for ages about bags but they never repli

Its out of stock Hilo.

And if they couldn't be bothered replying to you about bags then that's just not good enough. I wont be buying one. Terrible customer service.



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Post# 272442 , Reply# 39   3/18/2014 at 18:52 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Have you clicked 'add to basket'?

Post# 272443 , Reply# 40   3/18/2014 at 19:00 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

It still says its out of stock - all that will happen is that it will take your order and place it on back order to await new stock. I would have used it bagged - and the fact that I cant obtain any, and hotpoint were rude and ignorant by ignoring your request for bags, means that I wont be buying one at this time.

Hotpoint used to be OK - I have a few Hotpoint large appliaances - all made in the UK and all been reliable, but since Indesit bought them out, they now seem very mediocre and made anywhere but the UK. I am really annoyed about your experience with Hotpoint customer services about the bags, which probably means they haven't got any.


Post# 272445 , Reply# 41   3/18/2014 at 19:06 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

The Pet Plus, Multi-Care, & Extreme Clean all come with 3 bags & to be honest they do take a while to fill up. But that's why I bought the Dual Clean, so I wouldn't be caught out if I couldn't get bags.

Post# 272446 , Reply# 42   3/18/2014 at 19:10 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

But that's not the point though is it? They are advertising a product that can use bags - but then make it nigh on impossible to source the bags. What about those who bought the bag only models, and have used the bags that were supplied? 

Its just not good enough, and what looks a promising machine has been let down by poor supply of consumables.

 


Post# 272447 , Reply# 43   3/18/2014 at 19:12 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Well, that's Hotpoint all over isn't it but at least you are able to buy bags providing your a member of Qualtex.

Post# 272448 , Reply# 44   3/18/2014 at 19:17 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Its a shame - maybe Indesit will get bags to the likes of Buyspares in due course, I will check on a regular basis, and we will have to see how you get on with yours. Maybe Indesit will get their act together and start suppliying the bags to retailers for their Trolley Hotpoint Range - we will just have to see. In the meantime I'll wish you good luck with it - and remember to register the warranty!


Post# 272449 , Reply# 45   3/18/2014 at 19:18 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

I already have Steve & thank you!

Post# 272451 , Reply# 46   3/18/2014 at 19:27 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Don't forget that you are the only member of VL that has one of these cleaners, and this thread could come up in searches on Google by potential customers of the Trolley vac - so what we say on it can make a difference to their sales, as not much is known about them.

If you are gonna post a review on a new model, always try to make the thread title and opening post as concise as you can, mentioning the product code, which is Hotpoint SLC22AA0UK, and the name of the vac, which is Hotpoint Dual Clean Trolley Power Vacuum so that Google's trawler bots can pick the thread up and any picture in it. Your thread could be helpful to not just those on VL!


Post# 272478 , Reply# 47   3/19/2014 at 02:58 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

I'm not the only one who has these...turbomaster1984 has the Extreme Clean &PEt Plus Versions.

Post# 272526 , Reply# 48   3/19/2014 at 12:06 (3,662 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Post# 272530 , Reply# 49   3/19/2014 at 12:24 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Perhaps you could put up a link to these bags that you say are readily available Nar? I'd be very interested to see them, and how much they cost.

Looking forward to your link.


Post# 272541 , Reply# 50   3/19/2014 at 14:17 (3,662 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Post# 272544 , Reply# 51   3/19/2014 at 14:41 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        
Or perhaps you could stop being in moan mode?

No Nar - I'm expressing a valid concern, and once again you are criticising me for doing so. So how about you quit being so rude.

 

Oh, and the trolley vacs were released 6 months ago, in September 2013, so I think that by now, the bags and consumables should be readily available to buy online. When buying any bagged vacuum, its a major concern to many people about the availability of bags, without having to make costly phonecalls to the manufacturer and paying inflated prices, because the bags cant be found anywhere else. I was so interested in the bags situation as I was toying with getting the same model as Hilo, because despite it being made in China it was OK for the price he paid.




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Post# 272628 , Reply# 52   3/20/2014 at 04:24 (3,661 days old) by DaveTranter (Central England, U.K.)        
'Two cents' worth'

Thanks for the review, Hi-Lo, it's not often that I look at 'new' products. It appears to have been quite well-designed, and has a practical range of accessories. :-)

If they have reasonable longevity, I'll look out for one when they become available on the 'second-hand' market... ;)

I agree with you, MadaboutHoovers, on the appalling standard of customer (dis)service provided by many manufacturers/distributors nowadays. Indeed, the best way to deal with it (as you have made clear) is to 'vote with your feet' (or is that 'mouse' these days?? ) and refuse to buy their products.

Younger friends of mine frequently complain about mobile 'phone providers, saying that 'they are all as bad as each other' when it comes to customer service. Oh, for the days when such things were not tolerated, when firms providing such poor service would fail within months..... :-(

All best

Dave T


Post# 272650 , Reply# 53   3/20/2014 at 10:37 (3,661 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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A most interesting afternoon spent talking to Hotpoint UK - i.e calling on a telephone. Call it luck of the draw, if you will. 

 

Firstly, Hotpoint are currently out of stock with the dust bags and HEPA filters following the sales of the vacuums that were put out to Euronics at the first quarter of the year when they arrived in the UK. 

 

Secondly, on the phone the lady offered a deal discount whereby if I paid £13-99 for the 11 dust bags, she would be able to order the HEPA filter at the same time (normal cost on its own £18-99) at a total cost of £20. I declined though I did say I would bear that offer in mind. 

 

End of the day if you speak slowly, nicely and explain what you are looking for, some customer service desks are happy to oblige when they know that their stock isn't so widely available. 

 

Thirdly, the "bagless upright stick vacuum," isn't a vacuum cleaner on Hotpoint's UK website - but rather, a steam floor mop. It hasn't arrived in the UK and Hotpoint are currently doing a build up launch for that model alone.


Post# 272662 , Reply# 54   3/20/2014 at 12:09 (3,661 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Thanks for that sebo_fan.

There aren't any Hotpoint Cleaners on the Euronics Website anymore. They haven't been on there for a month or so.

£13.99 for 11 Dust Bags seems quite an inflation than £4.11 for 10 on Qualtex unless they are different types. I'll post a picture when I get some.



Post# 272663 , Reply# 55   3/20/2014 at 12:16 (3,661 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I know - the thought did cross my mind knowing the info you had supplied, Hi-Lo. Talk about marked up prices from Hotpoint!


Post# 272666 , Reply# 56   3/20/2014 at 12:39 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Well the companies have to make a profit somewhere...I mean £18 for the Hepa filter!

Post# 272667 , Reply# 57   3/20/2014 at 12:48 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Ah Hilo - hows it running? At least yours can run bagless, so no drama for you. The Miele HEPA filters are about 20 odd quid and so are some of the Vax ones - and yes, that's how they try to make money - sell the vacs cheap and hope you buy the accessories - much like the printer makers, who blatantly rip us off on ink cartridges!


Post# 272668 , Reply# 58   3/20/2014 at 13:27 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Steve - it's running OK. The dust container gets very dusty due to the amount of fine dust being sucked up. At least all dirt stays in the dust container & does not leak AT ALL which is great.

However, the 1.5m hose is next to useless for cleaning ceilings & other high surfaces, despite the trolley system. For regular use though it is fine, & the 7m cord makes up for it. The only other thing about the hose is the handle, when suction is a bit too much the handle tends to wobble but at least you can turn it down via the remote control.

I love the sofa nozzle, it works a lot better than a suction only nozzle.

And yes, there is no drama in bagless mode, no suction, no clogging, no filter cleaning needed (as of yet anyway) & I have used it everyday in bagless mode for a week so far. The bag I have kept until I am able to purchase more as it was already 1/3 full in a few days.


Post# 272672 , Reply# 59   3/20/2014 at 13:42 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Its quite novel seeing the bag through the clear plastic cover - you can see when its full or not without opening the cover. Keep reporting back on its progress so we know how its standing up to regular use.

1.5M hose is the size you get on the Hoover cylinders like the Telios and Smart ranges. It all depends on how high your ceilings are - in my house they are nearly 3 metres high as I live in a Victorian terrace, and they have traditionally quite high ceilings. I'm sure some Dysons only have 1.5M hoses - I had a Dc19 T2 animal for a while and the hose was very short on that, so it wouldn't reach the ceiling without the machine being picked up. I sold it.

Did you consider the new Samsung range of canisters? There are 3, the bagged, the single cyclones and the Motion Syncs - all of them have that dirt sensor, and 3 function handle remotes? They have been desperate to sell them in Currys for a while now, always reduced!


Post# 272673 , Reply# 60   3/20/2014 at 13:46 (3,661 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Its made at Kingclean in China, They are one of the best manufacturers in China and there quality rivals many EU factory's. 

 

Well done its a lovely machine


Post# 272675 , Reply# 61   3/20/2014 at 13:54 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Steve, I didn't like the idea about the clear bag door but I quite like it now. It's quite cool to see the bag blow up when you switch it on. I realise 1.5m is the standard length you get & it might be ok for you but I live in a 200 year old barn conversion with very high ceilings & dusty beams which require a good length of hose. We still have Henry I suppose.

I did consider the Samsung models but when I saw the price had come down on several models of Hotpoint machines plus 45% off I decided to buy one of those instead.

Gsheen, I'm sure I've heard of KingClean before, what other models of vacuum do they produce? The quality is pretty good if I'm honest. Thanks.


Post# 272676 , Reply# 62   3/20/2014 at 13:57 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I assume you mean the Hotpoint is made at Kingclean, rather than the Samsung Motion Sync Gareth?

I like it - I was seriously interested in trying one myself. I will have to wait until they get stocks up and also bags in the online retailers before I might buy one though. It's worth it for £120, with the handle remote and all the toys - that's better than many Miele offerings.

I was sceptical about the Made in China label though, especially as we were led to believe that it would be made in the EU. Perhaps they couldn't make it in the EU after all and had to get the Chinese to make it - so explaining why it was late being released, and stocks are still so low?


Post# 272677 , Reply# 63   3/20/2014 at 14:01 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Well it has stood up to daily use on a positive note so far Steve. I think Ultraperformer would like this though.

Post# 272679 , Reply# 64   3/20/2014 at 14:03 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Hilo - 1.5M was too short to reach my ceilings, that's why I got shot of the Dyson. I have to consider hose length the same as you do. Henry has one of the longest standard hose lengths available at 2.4M, but for some, they could find such a long hose cumbersome. I think the Miele offering at 1.8M is about right, and Sebo now seem to offer 2.1 metres on most of their canisters. Its all according to what you are prepared to pay for I suppose. Saying that, the Vax Power 6 pet I bought has a very long hose, well over 2m, and the hoover Turbopower canister came with a hose extension for the stairs.


Post# 272680 , Reply# 65   3/20/2014 at 14:07 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Yes but the Vax hoses have a bad reputation for kinking where it enters in the machine.

Post# 272681 , Reply# 66   3/20/2014 at 14:11 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

After buying several vax machines, there were several areas with them that I was not happy with, but again, they are made in China, and made to be sold cheaply, which is why quality suffers. With Vax, its hit and miss that you will get a good machine, so you buy one and cross your fingers that it will work for more than a year and wont fall to pieces within a few months.


Post# 272682 , Reply# 67   3/20/2014 at 14:13 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

That's why I decided not to buy one, despite the £50 off voucher I recieved from them.

Post# 272683 , Reply# 68   3/20/2014 at 14:19 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Do you know where the Samsung cylinders are made - I'm sure I saw made in Vietnam on one somewhere, but I may be wrong. I was looking at the bagged pet version - the blue one - they look quite good and they use the German branded Swirl bags (code Y293) which you can get cheaper on Ebay imported from Germany than you'd pay from John Lewis.

The trouble is that there are hardly any reviews for them, so I just don't know how good they really are.



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Post# 272684 , Reply# 69   3/20/2014 at 14:28 (3,661 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Yes I meant the Hotpoint, 

I am not impressed with the Samsung, again its Samsung doing what they do best copying others technology and not doing a good job of it. No wonder Samsung has such a big legal department they are always getting sued, They have now tried to copy dyson in a bad attempt last time it was Iphone, why can a company like Samsung not come up with Ideas' of there own 


Post# 272685 , Reply# 70   3/20/2014 at 14:34 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yeah, I know about Dyson suing Samsung over the Motion Sync - personally I think the Motion Sync looks like a vac wearing a big pair of red headphones. The bagged version above looks more like the Miele S8 with that LED control panel

Samsung are a massive company now, really massive, so I do agree that they should come up with their own ideas Gareth.


Post# 272689 , Reply# 71   3/20/2014 at 15:03 (3,661 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Samsungs are made in Korea 

 

Yes I do agree it looks like a cross between a Miele and a UTLRAONE,  


Post# 272690 , Reply# 72   3/20/2014 at 15:04 (3,661 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

I was looking at the red version of the bagged Samsung in #68.

Post# 272702 , Reply# 73   3/20/2014 at 16:08 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I just cant get away from the fact that Samsung, 20 years ago used to be a real cheapo budget brand, like Bush, Saisho and Matsui. They seem to have gone up in the world significantly, but because of that "cheap tat" image they used to have, I still shy away from buying anything by Samsung.

Its the same with Skoda cars. I remember the Skodas of the 70's and 80's - the really dated, cheap and nasty rear engined cars from eastern Europe. They were the butt of comedians jokes, like Ladas. Lada regressed back to Russia and we never see them now in the UK, but Skoda are a very popular car here now.

Samsung and Skoda, both have come a long way since the 80's.


Post# 272703 , Reply# 74   3/20/2014 at 16:12 (3,661 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, without the help of VW, Skoda would be dead in the water.

Samsung on the other hand were always a cheap electronics company in my mind, but they steadily improved. However they are no different to Panasonic or others that have since gone into the household appliances sector.

Lada may well be making a comeback - they've been taken over by Renault-Nissan, who also own Dacia.


Post# 272708 , Reply# 75   3/20/2014 at 16:37 (3,661 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

But Panasonic I've always held in a higher regard than Samsung. Panasonic used to make very good appliances, however I don't think they are as good now as they used to be. The same with Sony - they were world leaders in technology in the 70's and 80's, but not any more.

What happened to Hotpoint is also a great shame, and indeed the old Hoover UK. Once Hotpoint were swallowed up by Indesit, quality fell rapidly. Hotpoint used to be a great company, and mostly all made in the UK. It was the same with Hoover.

Creda, Lec and Morphy Richards were all taken over by Glen Dimplex. Russell hobbs is now part of Spectrum Brands, Kenwood kitchen appliances is owned by Delonghi.

Yes, its funny how a company's fortunes can change over the years with so many corporate takeovers since the 80's sometimes its difficult to know who owns who.

 

I wonder how long it will be before Miele or Sebo gets taken over / bought out, and production of their appliances moved to China?

Has Miele ever tried to buy Sebo out?


Post# 272712 , Reply# 76   3/20/2014 at 16:45 (3,661 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Nope, I wouldn't imagine Miele would - they have a bigger foothold on the market with their many appliances including surgical cleaning equipment. They don't really need SEBO - who hold the commercial market.

Siemens and Bosch together seem to dominate German's appliance market in general though - but their appliances are cheaper to buy.


Post# 272733 , Reply# 77   3/20/2014 at 17:48 (3,661 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Bosch/Siemens might be cheaper than Miele/Sebo but not many of their products are made in Germany anymore.

Post# 272739 , Reply# 78   3/20/2014 at 18:26 (3,660 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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To be honest I don't think the German buyer worries about that too much even if marketing campaigns like "Made in Germany," from Miele, SEBO and others have tried to steer buyers away from Bosch/Siemens little honey pot slot in the market.

Because Germany has always had a solid economy up until maybe five years ago and now, the German market in general seems to list a lot of Bosch/Siemens vacuums with very high profiles and ratings.

Finding equivalent Miele vacuums can be difficult and SEBO seem to be pretty rare.

However, this in tow, reiterates Germany's love for cylinder vacs as opposed to uprights - after all, Bosch and Siemens don't make uprights any more unless you take into consideration their stick vacuums.

Remarkably though, German market brands in vacuums tend to be different to what we get in the UK - Hoover of Germany for example got the Athos cylinder vacuum first and the UK have yet to get them. Dirt Devil also have premium line vacuums in Germany whereas other countries don't.

They may well be made in China, but I think the Germans have other priorities. After all, BMW has just signed a deal with Brilliance motor corp in China who will start producing car engines by 2016 and VW have been producing cars in China since the 1980s.





Post# 272741 , Reply# 79   3/20/2014 at 18:45 (3,660 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Apparently, according to Wiki, BSH (Bosch und Siemens Hausgerate - Bosch and Siemens Home Appliances) employ only 15% of their workforce in Asia, with 76% in Europe ( 30% in Germany, 10% in Eastern Europe and 30% in West Europe and Turkey)and the remaining 9% in the Americas.

I'd imagine the premium lines are made in Germany and the lower grade appliances are made in China, and Turkey.

I know one thing - I don't like the Bosch bagless range with the skids instead of wheels and the filter based separation, they are just not what I would expect from a company like BSH.


Post# 272815 , Reply# 80   3/21/2014 at 02:39 (3,660 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Just out of interest BMW has one of the biggest Foreign ( to China ) manufacturing plants there, making 5 series cars 


Post# 272821 , Reply# 81   3/21/2014 at 04:39 (3,660 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Statistics and percentages dont always add up.

BSH might very well have over 76% of their workforce in Europe but then we all know how many parts and products get outsourced to sub contractors and other companies. Are those considered in these figures. I bet not.

And given the small percentage of workforce in Asia, well uhm they do have unbelievably low staffing levels on these robotic production lines. They themselves brag about it.

Figures can be twisted to look good is all im saying when in fact theyre not valid at all.


Post# 272826 , Reply# 82   3/21/2014 at 07:18 (3,660 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
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The other thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not the complete truth. It uses public domain info and depends on it.

Secondly, as the owner of a Bosch BSGL5 bagged vacuum, the quality of plastic is no where near Miele quality. Small cleaning tools are pathetic and the only thing the BSGL5 has going for it is that it has a long power cord, but friction fit tubes and tools that continually fall off or are difficult to remove to dust bags for that model which are hard to find unless I buy the smaller capacity BGSL3 series ones.

I would never have expected Bosch to ever make a bagless vacuum cleaner full stop. When you consider SEBO and Miele all produce bagged vacs, I'd have thought Bosch would have retained their production solely in bagged vacuums - obviously though the company want to make money by producing bulky bagless cylinder vacs.



Post# 275832 , Reply# 83   4/12/2014 at 07:10 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Just wanting to post a picture on how much dust the Hotpoint sucks up. I think for a hallway, 2 bedrooms, a bathroom & a small living room there is quite a bit of dust. The container is about half full.

Notice that the heavy dust is separated from the fine dust. The fine dust is in the front of the container & the heavier dust sits in the big portion.


Post# 275835 , Reply# 84   4/12/2014 at 07:27 (3,638 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

How often do you have to clean out the pre-motor sponge filter on the back of the bagless cassette? Does it accumulate much dust, ie, how effective is the primary separator?

In general, have you been impressed with it, and do you consider it to be a good competitor to a Dyson cylinder?


Post# 275838 , Reply# 85   4/12/2014 at 07:53 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Well every second time I use the bagless system I take out the the filters & vacuum them. The sponge filter works well as a barrier to prevent the Hepa filter from getting dust on it. I haven't washed them yet though. None of the suction has been lost at all.

The seperator is fairly effective, on full power it does a good job of keeping dust away from the filters but as with most bagless machines the dust does get let through.

Overall the machine is OK, the accessories in my opinion are a bit of a let down as the Turbo Nozzle is a bit rattly & the 'Parquet Nozzle' is a generic tool found on many different machines. The Combination Nozzle & the Sofa Brush are Hotpoints own designs & are great.

I wouldn't consider the machine an effective competitor to a Dyson but Vax & Hoover Cylinders it does compete well, almost better than the Hoover Jazz I had, despite the Hotpoint only being Single Cyclone.


Post# 275840 , Reply# 86   4/12/2014 at 08:07 (3,638 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Sounds like you are doing the right thing to maintain it. I'd say to wash the filters after each full bin on a single cyclone machine. It sounds like its the same sort of efficiency as the Vax Power 5,6, and 7 canisters, which have the same type of separator. This type is also used in the Hoover Dust Manager canisters, and later in the Vax Zoom uprights.

They are OK, but whilst not as efficient as a Dyson, they are not as expensive either, and I don't think cleaning the filter foam each bin full is too much effort, and the motor should last just as long, as long as it maintains good airflow for cooling.


Post# 275850 , Reply# 87   4/12/2014 at 09:14 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

It seems to be about as effecient as the Hoover Jazz Cylinder, except it dosen't clog up. I would say it is more effecient than the Vax Power range.

Post# 275894 , Reply# 88   4/12/2014 at 12:32 (3,638 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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In China, all of the big car companies we have in the west have alliances with Chinese companies. Considering nearly all Chinese car companies are state owned, this is done so that the CCP have absolute say in how foreign cars are marketed, sold and priced in China. The reason BMW, Volkswagen and Mercedes, as well as Toyota and even Jaguar have plants in China is because in China, they ironically tax foreign made goods, heavily. By as much as 60%. So when BMW say they have signed a deal with Brilliance to make engines, rest assured those engines will not hit western cars. They will be for China and China only. No one will buy a BMW or Volkswagen made in China, even though they buy them made in SPain or Slovakia (POLO AND UP)

I try to boycott Chinese made goods as much as possible, not only due to the rubbish they produce (partly the Chinese fault) but also because I appreciate western manufactured goods for quality and design. I do believe the made in China trend will end, because it is getting so expensive to produce things there now, with rising labour costs and nosier environmentalist and green activists.

This Hotpoint though, the air wattage looks immense. 450 air watts on one of the models. That is insane.


Post# 275920 , Reply# 89   4/12/2014 at 14:10 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

With this model, even though it says 2200w produces 350 aw, it actually produces 425aw if you leave the gasket seal in.

Post# 277908 , Reply# 90   4/24/2014 at 05:48 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Just to comment as well, the Dust Bags you get with Hotpoint Vacuum Cleaners are really thick & they feel good quality, I'm unsure of exactly how many layers there are but they do feel thick, more than Numatic Hepa-Flo bags.

The pack of 10 I ordered from Qualtex UK have arrived, & they are exactly the right ones for my model. £3.34 well spent.


Post# 277914 , Reply# 91   4/24/2014 at 06:25 (3,626 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Rob (turbomaster1984) is having real troubles getting hold of bags from Hotpoint at the moment.

Anyone managed to find any genuine bags for these Hotpoint's yet?


Post# 277915 , Reply# 92   4/24/2014 at 06:26 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Chris, these are genuine Hotpoint Bags.

Unless you ring up Hotpoint Customer Care Line & pay £10 for 12 Bags.


Post# 277971 , Reply# 93   4/24/2014 at 10:14 (3,626 days old) by appliance_att (London, England)        
A vote against remotes

Way back in 2002, I bought a Miele Revolution 700 for the best part of £300. It worked very well for a time, and then the speed control in the handle developed a fault which meant every few minutes it would switch itself to standby and you'd have to manually adjust the suction upwards to get it going again.

I lived with it because a replacement hose would have been £250 but when I replaced it I got the simplest model in the Miele's new S8 range. I haven't missed the remote control. In fact, the only feature of the Revolution I miss is that the rear parking slot in my S8 doesn't have the switch to turn of the machine while parked, but for less than £200, I'll live:)

I realise the Miele system included wiring for the Electrobrush as well so is more complex than the newer RF or IR remotes, but I'll still steer clear, I think.


Post# 277979 , Reply# 94   4/24/2014 at 10:47 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Well I think I'm going to be selling the Dual Clean & purchasing a more basic model. I prefer a dial on the machine IMHO.

Post# 277986 , Reply# 95   4/24/2014 at 11:12 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Dust Bags:

Post# 278002 , Reply# 96   4/24/2014 at 12:05 (3,626 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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HiLo, im getting confused now - you were after a SEBO D2 in the other thread, so are you after ANOTHER compact vacuum cleaner as well?

Post# 278005 , Reply# 97   4/24/2014 at 12:12 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

No I still want a D2 mostly. I'm unsure anyway, but I probably will keep this.

Post# 279527 , Reply# 98   5/6/2014 at 13:05 (3,614 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Hi HiLo - any progress report on the new Trolley Vac - how's it performing and are you now using it bagged?


Post# 279529 , Reply# 99   5/6/2014 at 13:41 (3,614 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Yes I am using it bagged because the bagless container is a faff to empty/clean. If you do want one, go for a bagged model because its cleaner, far healthier & you can fill the bags until they are like a brick.

Post# 279531 , Reply# 100   5/6/2014 at 13:46 (3,614 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I was just wondering if you still had it, as you were on about getting rid of it in earlier posts. I would imagine its much better with bags, as you are not forever emptying them. I can go weeks on end with bagged vacs without even having to look at the bag. So much more convenient - even if they do start to smell a bit after a while. The fabric bags are so much better than the old single layer paper bags of old - they never seem to lose suction.


Post# 279532 , Reply# 101   5/6/2014 at 13:55 (3,614 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I do want to get rid of it, there are a few design faults that I'm not liking.

There is no bumper around the machine to protect it from bashing into corners.

It is a heavy machine & is hefty to drag around, hence why they put the trolley system on, except you can't use the trolley system because the hose is too short & the the floor tool sticks to the floor.

Because you have to put the machine in front of you to use the Trolley System, on hard floors dust gets blown around.

The Turbo Nozzle is cheap & rattly & the Parquet Nozzle Brushes get stuck in the grouting of the hard floors.


Post# 279536 , Reply# 102   5/6/2014 at 14:11 (3,614 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Wow, that's quite a review. I thought it would be a good idea to ask you again about this vac after you'd used it for a couple of months. I haven't had a look at the Hotpoint website lately so not sure if they have bags for these in stock now. Based on your findings, I think I'll pass on the idea of getting one of these - even though they come up on Ebay at really cheap prices. How did you find the remote control worked - did it always respond regardless of the position of the handle to the cleaner?


Post# 279538 , Reply# 103   5/6/2014 at 14:17 (3,614 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Well it takes a few presses to turn on & off & to adjust the suction power. It's infra-red so you need to position it near the cleaner with nothing obstructing it.

Post# 279540 , Reply# 104   5/6/2014 at 14:28 (3,614 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

And to quote the old Argos question - would you recommend this cleaner to a friend?


Post# 279541 , Reply# 105   5/6/2014 at 14:35 (3,614 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Unless you are extremely careful with a Vacuum Cleaner, which I'm not :)

Post# 332367 , Reply# 106   8/24/2015 at 06:59 (3,139 days old) by hal2000 ()        

Hi,

I purchased my SL C22 AA0 UK about 9 months ago. At the beginning the vacuum was working perfect. Unfortunately over the time, its performance dropped substantially.

1. Loss of suction. Even if I install freshly washed filters, they clog up so quickly that vacuum goes into safe mode during first use. I believe that somewhere is a valve which switch when certain pressure is reached. Does anyone know where this valve is and how to modify it?

2. I can't find anywhere pre motor hepa filter replacement. Everywhere I go only back end filters are supplied.

3. Pipe length regulator doesn't work. You can't lock the pipe at desired length, it became loose. I used a tape to prevent it moving.

Is there anyone who could help with the above questions?

Thanks


Post# 332371 , Reply# 107   8/24/2015 at 08:25 (3,139 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
1. Loss of suction

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I won't be much help on this one I'm afraid, but I think suction loss is simply the curse of the low-efficiency cyclones. Unless advertised as multi-cyclonic/no loss of suction, almost all bagless vacuums will have this set up with the filter in the bin, coming into direct contact with the dust and dirt. These require cleaning after each use. It's a flaw of the design, I'm afraid.


Post# 332374 , Reply# 108   8/24/2015 at 09:51 (3,139 days old) by hal2000 ()        

Washing filters doesn't do much of the difference. Vacuum goes back into safe mode during first use. After short time of using you can hear click and some whistle kind of noise coming form the cleaner. Is sounds like some sort of flap opens and lets extra air through. I am pretty sure that the safety feature which switches vacuum working mode is too sensitive.

If I knew how this feature looks like and where it is located I could play with it.


Post# 332376 , Reply# 109   8/24/2015 at 10:10 (3,139 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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If the suction release value keeps popping after the filters have been cleaned, the cleaner could be blocked somewhere else.


Post# 332423 , Reply# 110   8/24/2015 at 17:27 (3,139 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I owned the SL C20 AA0 UK bagless Trolley for a point but then sold it to a friend months ago. He seems to get good power from it even though I explained the filter system, fully.

I dont know about the C22 model but mine came with twin HEPA filters, one inside the bin at the back that covers the secondary felt black filter that also has to be washed. ALL the filters have to be bone dry, including the main exhaust at the back of the vacuum.

If the suction pipe isn't working, good luck on getting a replacement. I found Hotpoint UK to be most unhelpful when it came to sourcing other parts for my vacuum and eventually they sent out a new floor tool several months later.

The good news is that the pipe and floor tools are friction fit 35mm sized fitting - so any Bosch suction tube available will fit the Hotpoint as a replacement. Miele tubes are also 35mm but they won't fit to the floor tool or Hotpoint's other tools properly because they require a lock switch on the fittings and being rubber cuffed makes the Hotpoint tools and handle to slide around and can't be properly tightened.

From what I can remember the suction valve is inside by the bin lid.



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Post# 332446 , Reply# 111   8/25/2015 at 04:51 (3,138 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Sorry to hear about your troubles with your Hotpoint Hal2000, mine was the Dual Clean model but I mostly used it bagged because of the mess involved with the dust container. Apart from cleaning everything thoroughly there isn't really much else that will help.

I also found Hotpoint's UK service useless, I was kept on hold for ages until I managed to speak to someone & they never reply to emails.

I haven't used my cleaner in months, but when I do I prefer it bagged because it's easier that way as you don't have to empty the container, wash filters etc. That's why I went for the dual model.

Also, are these cleaners still on sale with the EU legislation in place?


Post# 332528 , Reply# 112   8/25/2015 at 17:23 (3,138 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The newer models with lower wattage motors are on the market but they were late to arrive after September 2014. Hotpoint offered a newer model to the one I had but because of the way they took far to long to respond to my problem, I just didn't bother. Even when asking about their bagged vacuums seemed to cause a major delay.

However, they are now listing user manuals on site with a catch - you have to supply your email address and the system site will automatically generate an email with an attachment of the electronic user manual. That's handy - However, Hotpoint also sent me ANOTHER email with another ruddy user manual attachment.



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Post# 332567 , Reply# 113   8/26/2015 at 03:48 (3,137 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Thanks for that.

I don't think they've taken off very well. But Hoptoint have been really slow even when calling them up about bags/filters/spares etc. They were good vacuums with the high wattages, I wonder what these new lower wattage models are like?


Post# 332570 , Reply# 114   8/26/2015 at 05:50 (3,137 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I can't imagine they will be any different other than being quieter than the last ones. But that's one plus point regarding the Hotpoint models - my 2200 watt motor was quiet and easy to use at all hours..


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