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Post# 272084 , Reply# 7   3/16/2014 at 10:50 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Finally showing the Pure Clean HEPA 13 filter. This according to Hotpoint traps 99.95% of dust. The air that comes out is clean & it is washable much like all of the other filters on the machine also. |
Post# 272094 , Reply# 8   3/16/2014 at 11:53 (3,665 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Picture of the rating sticker: |
Post# 272099 , Reply# 9   3/16/2014 at 13:49 (3,665 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)   |   | |
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Post# 272219 , Reply# 11   3/17/2014 at 08:44 (3,664 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Oooh very nice, HiLO! I expect a good review on this one!
I am surprised that is made in China though - I thought Hotpoint's vacs were going to be made in Poland. What kind of batteries does the handle take? I like the black and silver finish though I'm not keen on any cylinder vac with a filter on its bum - it means when you clean in the upright position, whatever surface it is left on may well be warm or hot to the touch dependent on how high the suction speed is. Be careful of that! |
Post# 272221 , Reply# 12   3/17/2014 at 08:53 (3,664 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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That tool kinda looks like a Dyson DC50 brushbar in white! :D Looks like a nice vacuum, and I love the extension handle which reminds me of luggage in the Airport! :D |
Post# 272260 , Reply# 15   3/17/2014 at 17:03 (3,664 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Hoover didn't come up the cyclone bin system either - it first appeared from Electrolux who offered it with one of their cylinder vacuums based on the Tango and equipped the machine with dust bags as an option to use in lieu of.
Electrolux are continuing this bonus with their current Ergoeasy bagged/bagless cylinder vacs, now in the UK under AEG and Zanussi. I had the Hoover Telios "bagless" which has a similar cyclone box and it was absolutely hellish. The Hotpoint one looks like a much better, simpler unit. |
Post# 272261 , Reply# 16   3/17/2014 at 17:14 (3,664 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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It is...it empties easily & is made of a high quality plastic. What's great is that there is no suction loss either. |
Post# 272262 , Reply# 17   3/17/2014 at 17:17 (3,664 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Knowing that there is a lower power model, which is what I would have bought had Hotpoint not taken so long to get these vacs to the market, they're going to have to produce an Eco model soon, and perhaps that will arrive soon, too.
In terms of dust bags, how many do you get in a pack, HiLo and how much are they on average? |
Post# 272264 , Reply# 19   3/17/2014 at 17:19 (3,664 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Well Sebo-Fan, looking on Qualtex who sell the genuine bags, they come in packs of 10 for £4.11. |
Post# 272277 , Reply# 21   3/17/2014 at 18:25 (3,663 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272378 , Reply# 27   3/18/2014 at 11:08 (3,663 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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I have to disagree with the AEG/Electrolux vacs being well built. In my opinion they are among the worst out there. Very think plastic, rough edges, squeaks and just poorly finished and quite expensive for what they are, mind you I have only had two models - AEG nimble and the AEG upright with self cleaning brushroll ? Cant remember what it's called. Only had it one day then sent it back ahah.
As regards the ABS plastic bit, that can be a con, especially for Chinese made products. What they do is name the company/supplier of the plastic "ABS" so they can stamp that on the components. Quite often its just a very cheap material. |
Post# 272389 , Reply# 28   3/18/2014 at 12:34 (3,663 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Yes Steve - I realise the mistake. I was going on what Sebo_Fan had said earlier in the thread about them being produced in Poland. |
Post# 272390 , Reply# 29   3/18/2014 at 12:36 (3,663 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Link for bags. I even emailed Qualtex & gave them the model & they said they were correct. CLICK HERE TO GO TO hi-loswitch98's LINK |
Post# 272394 , Reply# 30   3/18/2014 at 14:01 (3,663 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Hi Steve, the hose is 1.5m. |
Post# 272435 , Reply# 34   3/18/2014 at 18:27 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Steve, I had a Voucher Code for my Hotpoint, so it was reduced down from £129.99. Do you want the Voucher code? |
Post# 272436 , Reply# 35   3/18/2014 at 18:29 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Actually, found some spare bags that came with my Swan PetMaster Cylinder Cleaner...they fit. |
Post# 272442 , Reply# 39   3/18/2014 at 18:52 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Have you clicked 'add to basket'? |
Post# 272445 , Reply# 41   3/18/2014 at 19:06 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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The Pet Plus, Multi-Care, & Extreme Clean all come with 3 bags & to be honest they do take a while to fill up. But that's why I bought the Dual Clean, so I wouldn't be caught out if I couldn't get bags. |
Post# 272447 , Reply# 43   3/18/2014 at 19:12 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Well, that's Hotpoint all over isn't it but at least you are able to buy bags providing your a member of Qualtex. |
Post# 272449 , Reply# 45   3/18/2014 at 19:18 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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I already have Steve & thank you! |
Post# 272478 , Reply# 47   3/19/2014 at 02:58 (3,662 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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I'm not the only one who has these...turbomaster1984 has the Extreme Clean &PEt Plus Versions. |
Post# 272526 , Reply# 48   3/19/2014 at 12:06 (3,662 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272530 , Reply# 49   3/19/2014 at 12:24 (3,662 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Perhaps you could put up a link to these bags that you say are readily available Nar? I'd be very interested to see them, and how much they cost. Looking forward to your link. |
Post# 272541 , Reply# 50   3/19/2014 at 14:17 (3,662 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272650 , Reply# 53   3/20/2014 at 10:37 (3,661 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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A most interesting afternoon spent talking to Hotpoint UK - i.e calling on a telephone. Call it luck of the draw, if you will.
Firstly, Hotpoint are currently out of stock with the dust bags and HEPA filters following the sales of the vacuums that were put out to Euronics at the first quarter of the year when they arrived in the UK.
Secondly, on the phone the lady offered a deal discount whereby if I paid £13-99 for the 11 dust bags, she would be able to order the HEPA filter at the same time (normal cost on its own £18-99) at a total cost of £20. I declined though I did say I would bear that offer in mind.
End of the day if you speak slowly, nicely and explain what you are looking for, some customer service desks are happy to oblige when they know that their stock isn't so widely available.
Thirdly, the "bagless upright stick vacuum," isn't a vacuum cleaner on Hotpoint's UK website - but rather, a steam floor mop. It hasn't arrived in the UK and Hotpoint are currently doing a build up launch for that model alone. |
Post# 272663 , Reply# 55   3/20/2014 at 12:16 (3,661 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272666 , Reply# 56   3/20/2014 at 12:39 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Well the companies have to make a profit somewhere...I mean £18 for the Hepa filter! |
Post# 272673 , Reply# 60   3/20/2014 at 13:46 (3,661 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 272677 , Reply# 63   3/20/2014 at 14:01 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Well it has stood up to daily use on a positive note so far Steve. I think Ultraperformer would like this though. |
Post# 272680 , Reply# 65   3/20/2014 at 14:07 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Yes but the Vax hoses have a bad reputation for kinking where it enters in the machine. |
Post# 272682 , Reply# 67   3/20/2014 at 14:13 (3,661 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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That's why I decided not to buy one, despite the £50 off voucher I recieved from them. |
Post# 272684 , Reply# 69   3/20/2014 at 14:28 (3,661 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Yes I meant the Hotpoint, I am not impressed with the Samsung, again its Samsung doing what they do best copying others technology and not doing a good job of it. No wonder Samsung has such a big legal department they are always getting sued, They have now tried to copy dyson in a bad attempt last time it was Iphone, why can a company like Samsung not come up with Ideas' of there own |
Post# 272689 , Reply# 71   3/20/2014 at 15:03 (3,661 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 272690 , Reply# 72   3/20/2014 at 15:04 (3,661 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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I was looking at the red version of the bagged Samsung in #68. |
Post# 272703 , Reply# 74   3/20/2014 at 16:12 (3,661 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well, without the help of VW, Skoda would be dead in the water.
Samsung on the other hand were always a cheap electronics company in my mind, but they steadily improved. However they are no different to Panasonic or others that have since gone into the household appliances sector. Lada may well be making a comeback - they've been taken over by Renault-Nissan, who also own Dacia. |
Post# 272712 , Reply# 76   3/20/2014 at 16:45 (3,661 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Nope, I wouldn't imagine Miele would - they have a bigger foothold on the market with their many appliances including surgical cleaning equipment. They don't really need SEBO - who hold the commercial market.
Siemens and Bosch together seem to dominate German's appliance market in general though - but their appliances are cheaper to buy. |
Post# 272733 , Reply# 77   3/20/2014 at 17:48 (3,661 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Bosch/Siemens might be cheaper than Miele/Sebo but not many of their products are made in Germany anymore. |
Post# 272739 , Reply# 78   3/20/2014 at 18:26 (3,660 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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To be honest I don't think the German buyer worries about that too much even if marketing campaigns like "Made in Germany," from Miele, SEBO and others have tried to steer buyers away from Bosch/Siemens little honey pot slot in the market.
Because Germany has always had a solid economy up until maybe five years ago and now, the German market in general seems to list a lot of Bosch/Siemens vacuums with very high profiles and ratings. Finding equivalent Miele vacuums can be difficult and SEBO seem to be pretty rare. However, this in tow, reiterates Germany's love for cylinder vacs as opposed to uprights - after all, Bosch and Siemens don't make uprights any more unless you take into consideration their stick vacuums. Remarkably though, German market brands in vacuums tend to be different to what we get in the UK - Hoover of Germany for example got the Athos cylinder vacuum first and the UK have yet to get them. Dirt Devil also have premium line vacuums in Germany whereas other countries don't. They may well be made in China, but I think the Germans have other priorities. After all, BMW has just signed a deal with Brilliance motor corp in China who will start producing car engines by 2016 and VW have been producing cars in China since the 1980s. |
Post# 272815 , Reply# 80   3/21/2014 at 02:39 (3,660 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 272821 , Reply# 81   3/21/2014 at 04:39 (3,660 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)   |   | |
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Statistics and percentages dont always add up.
BSH might very well have over 76% of their workforce in Europe but then we all know how many parts and products get outsourced to sub contractors and other companies. Are those considered in these figures. I bet not. And given the small percentage of workforce in Asia, well uhm they do have unbelievably low staffing levels on these robotic production lines. They themselves brag about it. Figures can be twisted to look good is all im saying when in fact theyre not valid at all. |
Post# 272826 , Reply# 82   3/21/2014 at 07:18 (3,660 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The other thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not the complete truth. It uses public domain info and depends on it.
Secondly, as the owner of a Bosch BSGL5 bagged vacuum, the quality of plastic is no where near Miele quality. Small cleaning tools are pathetic and the only thing the BSGL5 has going for it is that it has a long power cord, but friction fit tubes and tools that continually fall off or are difficult to remove to dust bags for that model which are hard to find unless I buy the smaller capacity BGSL3 series ones. I would never have expected Bosch to ever make a bagless vacuum cleaner full stop. When you consider SEBO and Miele all produce bagged vacs, I'd have thought Bosch would have retained their production solely in bagged vacuums - obviously though the company want to make money by producing bulky bagless cylinder vacs. |
Post# 275850 , Reply# 87   4/12/2014 at 09:14 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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It seems to be about as effecient as the Hoover Jazz Cylinder, except it dosen't clog up. I would say it is more effecient than the Vax Power range. |
Post# 275894 , Reply# 88   4/12/2014 at 12:32 (3,638 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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In China, all of the big car companies we have in the west have alliances with Chinese companies. Considering nearly all Chinese car companies are state owned, this is done so that the CCP have absolute say in how foreign cars are marketed, sold and priced in China. The reason BMW, Volkswagen and Mercedes, as well as Toyota and even Jaguar have plants in China is because in China, they ironically tax foreign made goods, heavily. By as much as 60%. So when BMW say they have signed a deal with Brilliance to make engines, rest assured those engines will not hit western cars. They will be for China and China only. No one will buy a BMW or Volkswagen made in China, even though they buy them made in SPain or Slovakia (POLO AND UP)
I try to boycott Chinese made goods as much as possible, not only due to the rubbish they produce (partly the Chinese fault) but also because I appreciate western manufactured goods for quality and design. I do believe the made in China trend will end, because it is getting so expensive to produce things there now, with rising labour costs and nosier environmentalist and green activists. This Hotpoint though, the air wattage looks immense. 450 air watts on one of the models. That is insane. |
Post# 275920 , Reply# 89   4/12/2014 at 14:10 (3,638 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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With this model, even though it says 2200w produces 350 aw, it actually produces 425aw if you leave the gasket seal in. |
Post# 277914 , Reply# 91   4/24/2014 at 06:25 (3,626 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 277915 , Reply# 92   4/24/2014 at 06:26 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Chris, these are genuine Hotpoint Bags. Unless you ring up Hotpoint Customer Care Line & pay £10 for 12 Bags. |
Post# 277979 , Reply# 94   4/24/2014 at 10:47 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Well I think I'm going to be selling the Dual Clean & purchasing a more basic model. I prefer a dial on the machine IMHO. |
Post# 277986 , Reply# 95   4/24/2014 at 11:12 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Dust Bags: |
Post# 278002 , Reply# 96   4/24/2014 at 12:05 (3,626 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 278005 , Reply# 97   4/24/2014 at 12:12 (3,626 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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No I still want a D2 mostly. I'm unsure anyway, but I probably will keep this. |
Post# 279527 , Reply# 98   5/6/2014 at 13:05 (3,614 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Hi HiLo - any progress report on the new Trolley Vac - how's it performing and are you now using it bagged? |
Post# 279529 , Reply# 99   5/6/2014 at 13:41 (3,614 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Yes I am using it bagged because the bagless container is a faff to empty/clean. If you do want one, go for a bagged model because its cleaner, far healthier & you can fill the bags until they are like a brick. |
Post# 279538 , Reply# 103   5/6/2014 at 14:17 (3,614 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Well it takes a few presses to turn on & off & to adjust the suction power. It's infra-red so you need to position it near the cleaner with nothing obstructing it. |
Post# 279540 , Reply# 104   5/6/2014 at 14:28 (3,614 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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And to quote the old Argos question - would you recommend this cleaner to a friend? |
Post# 279541 , Reply# 105   5/6/2014 at 14:35 (3,614 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Unless you are extremely careful with a Vacuum Cleaner, which I'm not :) |
Post# 332371 , Reply# 107   8/24/2015 at 08:25 (3,139 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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I won't be much help on this one I'm afraid, but I think suction loss is simply the curse of the low-efficiency cyclones. Unless advertised as multi-cyclonic/no loss of suction, almost all bagless vacuums will have this set up with the filter in the bin, coming into direct contact with the dust and dirt. These require cleaning after each use. It's a flaw of the design, I'm afraid. |
Post# 332376 , Reply# 109   8/24/2015 at 10:10 (3,139 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 332423 , Reply# 110   8/24/2015 at 17:27 (3,139 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I owned the SL C20 AA0 UK bagless Trolley for a point but then sold it to a friend months ago. He seems to get good power from it even though I explained the filter system, fully.
I dont know about the C22 model but mine came with twin HEPA filters, one inside the bin at the back that covers the secondary felt black filter that also has to be washed. ALL the filters have to be bone dry, including the main exhaust at the back of the vacuum. If the suction pipe isn't working, good luck on getting a replacement. I found Hotpoint UK to be most unhelpful when it came to sourcing other parts for my vacuum and eventually they sent out a new floor tool several months later. The good news is that the pipe and floor tools are friction fit 35mm sized fitting - so any Bosch suction tube available will fit the Hotpoint as a replacement. Miele tubes are also 35mm but they won't fit to the floor tool or Hotpoint's other tools properly because they require a lock switch on the fittings and being rubber cuffed makes the Hotpoint tools and handle to slide around and can't be properly tightened. From what I can remember the suction valve is inside by the bin lid.
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Post# 332528 , Reply# 112   8/25/2015 at 17:23 (3,138 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The newer models with lower wattage motors are on the market but they were late to arrive after September 2014. Hotpoint offered a newer model to the one I had but because of the way they took far to long to respond to my problem, I just didn't bother. Even when asking about their bagged vacuums seemed to cause a major delay.
However, they are now listing user manuals on site with a catch - you have to supply your email address and the system site will automatically generate an email with an attachment of the electronic user manual. That's handy - However, Hotpoint also sent me ANOTHER email with another ruddy user manual attachment.
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Post# 332570 , Reply# 114   8/26/2015 at 05:50 (3,137 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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