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Electrolux Olympia One ... 2 Models?
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Post# 271598   3/12/2014 at 23:22 (3,696 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

I recently ran across two different Olympia Ones that are marked 'Model - 1401', and both have the 1980 Winter Olympics - Lake Placid, NY decal affixed on them. Until now, I thought that all Olympia Ones were Model 1401-Bs.

Here is the model identification exhibit '1401-B':


Post# 271599 , Reply# 1   3/12/2014 at 23:23 (3,696 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Here is the model identification exhibit '1401':

Post# 271630 , Reply# 2   3/13/2014 at 09:10 (3,696 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

I sold the Olympia One when new, back in 1980. If my memory serves me, the original Oly had the Super J styling, meaning the handle, flat to the machine body side bumpers and the wheels were smaller than the later ones. I sold the newer version with the later syle handle, extended side bumpers, and they increased the size of the wheels, I'm assuming carpeting was getting thicker, and it would roll easier. I have both models in my collection, will have to look to see if there's a difference in the model numbers. That could be why there's a difference.

Post# 271729 , Reply# 3   3/13/2014 at 21:00 (3,695 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
When the

Silverado came out the handle set up was like the first Olympia and then changed mid way in the build to the handle setup of the last Olympia One.

Post# 271955 , Reply# 4   3/15/2014 at 10:46 (3,694 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Thanks for your responses, Rick (#2) and John (#3).

Rick - I've done some checking and noticed that the first version of the Olympia One had a similar handle to the Super J/1401, but not exactly; it did not go all the way to the vertical grip. Otherwise, the other changes you mentioned were accurate. I think your reason for the larger wheels in the later version is logical. I wonder if they have kept that same size wheel since then, or if they have gone back to the smaller wheels with the lesser use of shag carpeting. Anyway, I'm hoping that you'll be able to clear the confusion of the model ids with your machines. I wonder if the ones with the Olympics decals were the first versions, because they are the ones listed as '1401s'.

If I remember correctly, the Golden Js were considered model 1205 Js, but they are stamped as '1201's. Isn't it true that except for the color and other body differences they were the same as the last version of the 1205s? So the Olympia One scenario might be like you said about the first Olympia Ones being very similar to the Super Js, so they were still considered '1401's.

John - It's interesting that the first version of the Silverados had the first version horizontal handle and vertical grip as the first version of the Olympia Ones. One would have taken for granted that the vertical handle replacement in the second version of the Olympia Ones was made after research and the idea of improvement. Now I'm wondering if it was just change for the sake of change.


Post# 272320 , Reply# 5   3/17/2014 at 22:12 (3,691 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

1980 Winter Olympics Decal affixed on Olympia One/1401-Bs that were manufactured around that time:

Post# 272321 , Reply# 6   3/17/2014 at 22:14 (3,691 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

1980 Olympics/Electrolux medallion side 1:

Post# 272322 , Reply# 7   3/17/2014 at 22:14 (3,691 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

1980 Olympics/Electrolux medallion side 2:

Post# 272750 , Reply# 8   3/20/2014 at 19:52 (3,688 days old) by BikerRay (Middle Earth)        
Here's mine

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Here's a picture of my Olympia One, this is the early model and is listed as a 1401 on the door.

Post# 283754 , Reply# 9   6/8/2014 at 23:45 (3,608 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

There is a current listing of a brown Silverado with "Model 1505" on the plastic cover interior. Was this a case of the cover of an Olympia One being replaced with one from a Silverado and being repainted to match Olympia One's colors, or was there actually a brown Silverado manufactured at the factory? Also, I thought that the Olympia One's interior cover plates were all metal. Is that accurate?

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Post# 283801 , Reply# 10   6/9/2014 at 09:32 (3,608 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I've never seen a Silverado with the straight handle set up. They've always had the later Oly style double handles. It wouldn't make sense for Electrolux to go backwards with regard to the tooling. If anyone has a Silverado with the Super J/first Oly set up, I'd sure like to see the pictures.

Post# 283805 , Reply# 11   6/9/2014 at 09:57 (3,608 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

A Sliverado with the earlier J style handle is very likely a bojack replacement. The earlier handle and top assembly can be used on later bodied metal canisters as it only uses the 2 screws at the blower and one just behind the latch, later top assemblies will not work on the early machines as the horizontal carry handle screws directly to the metal body and pre-1401 models do not have the necessary threaded nut.

 

All Olympia's and the first run on Silverado's have metal inner doors, plastic was introduced during the run of the Silverado before the introduction of the PN5. I work at an Aerus franchise and the owner has been selling Aerus/Electrolux since 1964 and that is his recollection. May or may not be 100% accurate as I've found some inconsistencies in his memory before...


Post# 283806 , Reply# 12   6/9/2014 at 10:00 (3,608 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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My Olympia one is a 1401-B and has the two piece handle setup.

Post# 283809 , Reply# 13   6/9/2014 at 10:11 (3,608 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Oh yeah, forgot to say in my last post. One handle - 1401, two handles 1401-B the B designation is for the change in handle and body design.


Post# 283822 , Reply# 14   6/9/2014 at 11:09 (3,608 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
dysonman1,

you wish is my command. Start of Silverado and the change. From owner's manual.

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Post# 283823 , Reply# 15   6/9/2014 at 11:11 (3,608 days old) by joevacman1 (Valley Stream New york 11581)        
Silverado handle

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I worked at Electrolux on LI when the Silverado was introduced. The first model came with a two piece handle which looked similar to a Super J one piece handle . Because of it's unpopularity it was replaced early on with the more common two piece Olympia One Model. It was identical to the picture shown here. Evidently Lux had some left over and used them for the HPR Rebuilts. The Silverado's with this handle set-up is very rare and was changed very early in it's production run.

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Post# 283824 , Reply# 16   6/9/2014 at 11:12 (3,608 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
better pictures

of Silverado.

Post# 283826 , Reply# 17   6/9/2014 at 11:14 (3,608 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
Silverado

next generation.

Post# 283827 , Reply# 18   6/9/2014 at 11:18 (3,608 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Well I'll be. Learn something new every single day on this forum. Have to file these pictures in my archives.


Post# 283841 , Reply# 19   6/9/2014 at 12:03 (3,608 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
Silverado

came out the same time as the Space Shuttle which was the theme for kickoff. A year later the P/N 5 was introduced and the change to handles. Then in October of 1984 The Diamond Jubilee came out.

Post# 283854 , Reply# 20   6/9/2014 at 14:35 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Thanks for the comments, all.

No one really mentioned--and I couldn't tell by the grayscale photos--if the first Silverados were brown. To clarify, the photos in reply #9 are for a current eBay listing for a Silverado/1505. The lister says that it has never been repainted, so I'm wondering if this was one of a few early Silverados that was brown or if it was indeed a bojack machine?

As for the Silverado with a handle and hand grip like the Super J/1401 I used to own one. It had a PN-4A, so I'm guessing it was the first version. Someone who worked for Electrolux at the time mentioned that the first Silverados had the single handle and hand grip like the Super J/1401s and Olympia/1401s and the later versions had the horizontal and vertical handles like the Olympia One/1401-Bs. I'm not sure, either, why they would have gone back to the former handle style, but that was that person's recollection. It is in another Vacuumland thread somewhere. Also, the handle and grip Silverados appear from time to time on eBay.

Again, I'm wondering if there was ever a brown Silverado manufactured by Electrolux--even as a prototype?


Post# 283856 , Reply# 21   6/9/2014 at 14:39 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

As far as I can determine, from asking many old time Electrolux folks, including a few Engineers, there were never any brown Silverado's. They were always a bluish silver gray.

 

Also, the single handle design isn't really the same as the 1401. It has the later rear handle from the 1401-B and an integrated front handle/finger grip. As was mentioned earlier, there were very likely top assemblies from earlier machines and they used them up in those early Silverado's. Electrolux made some very interesting management decisions through the years, this is an example of one.

 


Post# 283858 , Reply# 22   6/9/2014 at 14:49 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Thank you, Tom. That would have been my best guess as even the name SILVERado denotes gray or silver--not brown.

Short of calling the lister a liar (he seems very genuine--that it was his mom's for decades and was never repainted) I don't quite know how to respond to the fact that it clearly shows that it is a Model 1505. I guess I didn't ask him how he came to refer to it as a Silverado--whether his mom used the term or if his own research showed that a Model 1505 is a Silverado. In the grand scheme of things, of course, the name is immaterial. I guess the spread of misinformation--no matter how large or small--bugs me.

My thought is that it was purchased from a general vacuum cleaner store that had replaced and repainted its front cover and didn't mention it to the lister's mom. In reality, most individuals wouldn't care as long as the cleaner worked like it was supposed to, so I wouldn't blame a vacuum cleaner salesperson if that were the case.


Post# 283864 , Reply# 23   6/9/2014 at 15:41 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Kevin,

 

I would have to assume that you have come to the right conclusion. Model 1505 is a Silverado, however it is much more likely that this was purchased at a general vacuum store and was put together from 2 or more machines and painted to match.. or it may be a 1505 that was originally Sliver and repainted to meet the request of the purchaser for an earth tone canister to match the decor... the only way to know for sure is to take it all apart and look at all the pieces and attempt to reconstruct it's history.

 

Tom


Post# 283865 , Reply# 24   6/9/2014 at 15:46 (3,607 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
There

never was a brown Silverado. The first Silverado was like the first illustration in reply 16. Having been in production at a factory I do know that some parts that are made for certain products do get mixed. The fronts made for the Olympia One could both be Plastic and Metal depending when the cleaner was made and if the parts came from a bin that was in the back and then brought out to the front of the bin. The part #'s are the same for the run.. It happens in all industries.

Post# 283866 , Reply# 25   6/9/2014 at 15:54 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

hmmmm... so I found the listing and took a better look at the pictures. Something very interesting has come to mind... I wonder if Electrolux began the switchover to the new plastic inner door before the run of the Olympia was done and in fact this is an original Olympia with a factory produced plastic inner door at the very end of the run. Any chance we can get the seller to provide a picture of the label on the top of the machine and/or the serial #? The tools and PN4A are all in Olympia colors and the PN does not appear to be repainted.... could be another one of those interesting management decisions. Typically, retooling was done during a 3 week factory shutdown at the end of the year with new models released no later than the April sales drive. It is possible that there were many metal bodies already in inventory complete before the retooling and Olympia production was continued until those bodies were exhausted. There can't be very many of these at all if that was the case... could be a fairly rare example. Serial # would confirm it's production date.

 

The hose appears to be traced in Blue not Brown, which would make it a Silverado hose... this gets better and better.


Post# 283869 , Reply# 26   6/9/2014 at 16:10 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

John & Tom,

Thank you for your feedback--much appreciated. I have put in a request to the seller for the serial id and will post it here when I hear back.

I am now wondering if the last Olympia Ones were Model 1505s? The lister says that he has worked in the marine industry for years and knows that nothing on the cleaner has been repainted. I didn't think that the PN-4As (with the shorter "dog house" for cleaning under furniture) came out until the Silverados were manufactured, so that is another stumper.


Post# 283870 , Reply# 27   6/9/2014 at 16:17 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

From the lister of the brown Model 1505:

N35504T - is the serial number - and clue upon clues! there is a sticker that seems to read Olympia One 5 Yr Warranty....


Post# 283871 , Reply# 28   6/9/2014 at 16:18 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Another comment by the eBay lister of the brown Model 1505:

"For my own curiosity, I just now went to the machine, opened the door and scratched with a screwdriver the part that bears the 1505 designation number. That plastic is brown all the way through. I also scratched a small area on one of the side metal plates, just brown and then metal underneath."


Post# 283872 , Reply# 29   6/9/2014 at 16:20 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Yet another comment from the lister ...


The cleaner was purchased from State Vacuum in Tampa.


(Was this an Electrolux branch office as he thinks?)


Post# 283879 , Reply# 30   6/9/2014 at 17:02 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

An Electrolux branch would not have had a name other than Electrolux  since all branches were company owned and operated at the time. This is a late run Olympia One vacuum made after the switch to the plastic inner door switch over.. the mold was intended for the Silverado and so had the 1505 designation. I can be fairly confident that it was sold as a 1401 Olympia One not as a 1505 Silverado. I'm having the service mgr at my franchise look it up...


Post# 283880 , Reply# 31   6/9/2014 at 17:10 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Reading the history of State vacuums, this was likely a trade in on a new Kirby in the mid 80's. Service Manager just called and said this vacuum is listed as an 1401-B Olympia One, sold in August of 1982 from the Tampa Branch of Electrolux to Mrs. Ephraim Cohen of Tampa. There are no records of any service at an Electrolux Branch post purchase.


Post# 283889 , Reply# 32   6/9/2014 at 17:46 (3,607 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Electrolux

A bit more on some of the above-
The Silverado was introduced April 82 and ALWAYS gray color.Some sales for the first week won a silver ingot with Silverado(about the size of charm bracelet item).April (& October) were the big 'drive months'for maximum sales.If a new model was introduced the current vac would be closed out at a sale price.As above any product manufactured can have changes.Electrolux would sometimes change to simplify or reduce cost if they could maintain quality.Thus the bag door became plastic.Another change at no loss of quality was the screen molded in the bag compartment instead of a separate wire screen.A division manager told me the top trim configuration was voted on at a div mgr meeting leading to the new model and drive month preparation.Factory and home office officials would often visit Elux trips and banquets to talk to all from the newest salesman to the long time managers for opinions.
PN-4 top cover-This can be found in 2 different materials(one heavier than the other).I was told by a factory official that the cost of original material went up and they changed to the cheaper(again no loss of quality)until later the prices reversed and they were back with the original.


Post# 283891 , Reply# 33   6/9/2014 at 17:54 (3,607 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Electrolux changes

There was another change that would fit in between reply 16 & 17.The new wand latch with push button release and easier removal of lower chrome wand from plastic upper sheath was first seen on the last PN-4 models.The boxes noted 'New Wand Latch System'.

Post# 283897 , Reply# 34   6/9/2014 at 18:39 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Thanks for the information, Rick, Tom, John, and Jimmy.

Jimmy--please post photos, if you can, of the wand differences.

The lister has since communicated that he isn't sure that the cleaner was purchased at State--just that parts and repairs were.

Rick and Tom - (re: comment to Rick in reply #4) I need to admit my error in thinking that the Olympia One/1401s had a different length handle than the Super J/1401s as you both stated. I wonder now if I'd seen a 1401-B with a missing vertical carrying handle--which would have left the shorter horizontal carrying handle? Anyway, I apologize for my confusion and subsequent error.

While I understand that the last of the Olympia One used the new molds intended for the Silverados, it's too bad from a collector's and tech's standpoint that the model designation was not kept 1401-B.

I like how they'd done that with using the Model AE caster mount plates on the Model F (which is why so many mistakenly call the cleaner Model AF). One would think they could have done something similar with the 1401-B and 1505 interior cover plates.

I wonder if there is an Olympia One collector in our midst that has all the different versions--like Charles Lester's Model Es, Model Fs, and others? I would think such a collector would want to bid on the one that inspired the conversation today!


Post# 283898 , Reply# 35   6/9/2014 at 18:48 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

@Tom (re: reply #31)

From the eBay lister:

"Not my mom, and does not explain the model number embossed in the case."


Post# 283900 , Reply# 36   6/9/2014 at 19:15 (3,607 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
The

model F as you call it is in fact called by Electrolux - Model AF. This is from the 30th Anniversary book of The factory in Old Greenwich, Conn.

Post# 283906 , Reply# 37   6/9/2014 at 20:11 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

I should say that the information in the database at Aerus is not infallible. Dates tend to be fairly close, but names and addresses from before the mid to late 80's can be hit or miss. Phone #'s are almost non-existent before the late 90's.

 


Post# 283907 , Reply# 38   6/9/2014 at 20:44 (3,607 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        
Well this thread piqued my interest

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It's definitely a unique machine and indeed it doesn't seem to be re-painted, but sheesh! $529.99 plus another $30 for shipping....too rich for my blood!

Post# 283912 , Reply# 39   6/9/2014 at 21:40 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

John,

Thanks for the information. However, there is a lack of consistency within Electrolux documents, then, because the manual states "Model F" (see photo). Also, the manual for my aqua-colored cleaner states "Model G"--even though it, too, is an automatic machine. Model E and Model AE makes sense because there were two different Model E versions--manual and automatic. Model AF would make sense if the G models were called Model AG.


Post# 283914 , Reply# 40   6/9/2014 at 21:49 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Tom,

I wonder if either the lister's number was off by one digit, or if your service tech entered it incorrectly. Of course, it could also be that the number was originally recorded incorrectly.

I like how Electrolux started doing the serial id stickers on the machines that were supposed to be taken off and affixed to the sales contract (even though some were never removed from the machines). I wonder if Aerus still does this?

As for the database, I'd understood that Aerus had maintained quite an extensive one from its sales (and the sales of Electrolux USA). I wouldn't expect any such system to be 100% accurate, but my guess would be that companies--including Aerus/Electrolux--would have done their best to keep accurate records for sales follow-ups and future sales.


Post# 283916 , Reply# 41   6/9/2014 at 22:14 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

The database was much improved in the 90's, before then anyone in the company (well almost anyone) could edit records so there has been some data drift as records were updated incorrectly. The ability to edit records is almost non existent now. Records can be added to, maintenance - sales - services - additional addresses and phone numbers, but the data cannot be altered or deleted any longer.

 

Serial # stickers to remove from the unit and attached to the contract are no longer used.  I cut it off the box when I sell a machine and then write it on the contract. The cutout is then stapled to my copy of the transaction in case any issues arise for my customers.


Post# 283918 , Reply# 42   6/9/2014 at 22:50 (3,607 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Tom,

That's too bad that the former database's editing method was so prone to inaccuracies. Glad to hear that over the last 20 or so years that the system has been improved.

Also, it sounds like you have a good system for accuracy. It's too bad, though, that Aerus hasn't retained the sticker system. I would have enforced such a system by penalizing the commission of those sales contracts that did not have a serial id sticker affixed to them. That way, unless the stickers were incorrect the records would be very likely to be accurate.

Another thought would be to provide a barcoded option in which sales contracts could be individually printed with the serial id as each machine is checked out for sales. By the way, do sales contractors have the option of filling out sales contracts electronically and printing them instead of writing them out by hand?


Post# 283919 , Reply# 43   6/9/2014 at 23:00 (3,607 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Everything is handwritten on 4 part NCR forms.  Nothing, and I mean nothing, is automated - at least in the franchise I work in, and I suspect in most. For the most part, franchises were bought by former branch managers that had been with the company for years.... many are technology phobic. It's taken me a long long time to get my franchisee to let me utilize the web or social media in any way.... baby steps, baby steps. Just registered a domain name and have begun building a web site for me, not even for the franchise... same on Facebook, and I have to explain it all over and over again, progress is slow :-) We are forbidden to sell directly online, but pretty much anything else is allowed - it's cheap exposure and people like to msg, email and set appointments online rather than over the phone - their schedule. I get more e-mails from the little sign on my car than I ever get phone calls... the world has changed and it's way past time to adapt.



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