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Thread Number: 24247
Miele launch the 700W S8 Silence Plus Ecoline in the UK |
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| Post# 271436 , Reply# 1 3/12/2014 at 02:29 (3,690 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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My s5 on 700w won't drive a turbo brush but works OK with the normal floor tool. Unless they re design the turbo head, but then it would have to not bog down and stop the rotation which I imagine would make it rubbish... We have laminate downstairs throughout in our new place, I'll be using it at 300w as that's plenty for hard floor. Where's my EU bollocks medal? | ||
| Post# 271443 , Reply# 2 3/12/2014 at 04:04 (3,690 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Well if Miele have found a new way to generate high suction, good on em! Numatic are claiming a 10% suction increase on the current 1200w models with only 650w, so only time will tell. Lets not forget, Miele are all rated at 1200w across the rest of the world, it's only the UK demanding the 2200w. We all know that high wattage doesn't necessarily equal more suction.
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| Post# 271444 , Reply# 3 3/12/2014 at 04:18 (3,690 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
We all know that high wattage doesn't necessarily equal more suction.
I think it does up to a certain point, up to like 1000 watts, after that I think there is a minimal increase in suction rather than the dramatic difference in suction on a 500 watt clean air motor over a 1000 watt clean air motor. However depending on the quality of the motor and air paths, this point can well be, quite invalid. | ||
| Post# 271447 , Reply# 5 3/12/2014 at 04:21 (3,690 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Sorry, not Turbo500, I meant madabouthoovers. | ||
| Post# 271448 , Reply# 6 3/12/2014 at 04:36 (3,690 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I noticed that even though my Vortex says on the rating sticker that is has a 1350 wwatt motor, it doesn't actually boast about it all over the body, Possibly because it had better selling points.
I think my Purepower from 1997 says 1400S on the hood but It doesn't say "watts" I realise it is talking about the wattage but it is not exactly boasting it. Also the Turbopower 2 cleaners never said anything about wattage on the cleaner bodies. I think they do it these days because there is not much exciting about the cleaners so they just advertise the wattage. | ||
| Post# 271449 , Reply# 7 3/12/2014 at 04:40 (3,690 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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But prior to the late 1980's, Alex, practically no vacuum cleaner mentioned the wattage of the motor on anywhere but the rating plate. This is my point. And as time progressed, the Turbopower 2 Hoover cleaners did indeed have the wattage printed to the front. | ||
| Post# 271450 , Reply# 8 3/12/2014 at 04:47 (3,690 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 271453 , Reply# 10 3/12/2014 at 05:01 (3,690 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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All I was trying to say was that the early Turbopower 2 cleaners did not state the motor wattage anywhere other than the rating sticker, although you are very right about the later ones having the motor wattage printed on the cleaners body.
The Electrolux Contours even on their release in 1991 had the motor wattage printed on the body so for the most part I think you are correct in saying it was really up until the 1980s that motor wattage was only printed on the rating sticker. Benny I was born in 1994 and I am really getting quite old now! ;) | ||
| Post# 271454 , Reply# 11 3/12/2014 at 05:05 (3,690 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Absolutely agree, Benny. Even as late as 86/87, there was absolutely no focus on wattage. I believe Electrolux started the trend of boasting about motor wattage. The 2000 series are the first I can recall as being advertised as being particularly "powerful", but not with much focus on actual wattage. This trend carried on with the launch of the Dolphin in 89 and Contour in 1991 which, at 800w, was the most powerful upright you could buy and was advertised as such. Hoover followed suit with the Turbopower 1000. I remember store displays for the TP1000 boasting the wattage.
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| Post# 271459 , Reply# 12 3/12/2014 at 07:51 (3,689 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 271461 , Reply# 13 3/12/2014 at 07:55 (3,689 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO) | ||
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Was just thinking - that 200W is plenty for a PN motor, and I wouldn't be surprised if they switch from turbo nozzles to power nozzles. Miele mostly sells their vacuums with electric PNs in the states (a turbo is available if you really want it, though), so the design work is already mostly done. | ||
| Post# 271462 , Reply# 14 3/12/2014 at 07:56 (3,689 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 271472 , Reply# 15 3/12/2014 at 09:28 (3,689 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
The Seniors may well return in some new body, but in the mean time there's still Oreck in the UK who have low watts "upright only" vacuums.
Alex - Hoover might not have advertised the motor watts on the uprights but the Alpina and the cylinder vacs before that all had the numbers written on the bodies - just because Hoover didn't put it on the uprights doesn't suddenly make them a saint! If there is any company who are guilty for stamping their machines with the number of motor watts on the bodies, it is that of Hoover UK and oh how the brochures on some of the models push the "extra power" claims home. Even the brochures for the Hoover TP2 and 3 state "improved suction," and "800 watts." Or do you want me to scan the relevant pages? | ||
| Post# 271478 , Reply# 17 3/12/2014 at 10:38 (3,689 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, the cylinder vacuum cleaner that comes to mind which has always had a low motor is the one vacuum that i first bought for a utility vacuum and was quite impressed with it for a number of years even if I had to buy the metal tubes for it since the aluminium ones weren't as easy to remove or stay on.
Numatic James - 800 watts and James has enough power/suction to turn a turbo brush, which when you think about it - shouldn't really be the case based on the huge dust bag capacity that the suction air has to infiltrate before pulling dirt out. | ||
| Post# 271487 , Reply# 18 3/12/2014 at 11:54 (3,689 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 271517 , Reply# 20 3/12/2014 at 13:11 (3,689 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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So what Alex?
I'll do what I damn well respond to - you're 20 years old, not 10 years on this forum but every post you respond to leads back to Hoover's Turbopower 2 and 3. Yet AGAIN, this was also picked up by Chris on another thread. Do you THINK FOR ONCE you can stop referring to blessed Hoover models? You do own more than HOOVER after all. | ||
| Post# 271521 , Reply# 21 3/12/2014 at 13:35 (3,689 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I used it as an example like I did with the Contour. You constantly boast about SEBO IN ALMOST EVERY thread so I am not the only broken record.
Why do we always have this same debate over and over, I know you can't help being a "know it all" but you never let it be (we are both guilty of this) I do own other cleaners such as Electrolux and Dyson but as I am sure you are well aware, I have a fond interest in Hoover. I don't do ANY modern cleaners, my interest for vacuums stops at about 2000, even that is pushing it. I would rather not vacuum at all than use a modern cleaner. | ||
| Post# 271535 , Reply# 22 3/12/2014 at 14:56 (3,689 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Nope, I also support Miele and loads of other brands.
You only see what you want to see - remember you misread posts on here and just fire back without thinking. Last thread example was the Panasonic upright crevice tool where you were adamant that your upright didn't have an air outlet hole yet i mentioned "bagless" in the response before and you immediately jumped to say your bagged upright didn't have one. I am not a know it all, I am someone who likes to share experience and if I knew it all, I'd only have one vacuum cleaner. Infact you seem to let all of that "go over your head," and with other UK members you've managed to get into flap with. | ||
| Post# 271548 , Reply# 23 3/12/2014 at 16:09 (3,689 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Now, back on topic and something that Sam (Beko) has mentioned.
"300 watts" on an old Miele vacuum cleaner which has a 2000 watt motor or thereabouts. I've noticed this before, particularly the old S500 Revolution models that have preset controls "claiming" to have 300, 500, 700, 900 watts where more current models then replaced the numbers with "suggested cleaning need" decals. On my old S571, it only had a continuous dial with no preselective, braked presets. It too claimed to have a 300 watt setting at the lowest before the maximum of 1700 watts could be applied. BUT, if you look at the rating plate, it tells a different story - the MINIMUM would be 1500 watts and the maximum was 1700 watts. Sam - check the rating plate and you'll see that the lowest wont' be 300 watts, but rather most probably 1600 watts or 1800 watts. Thus in turn the "300" watts selection is nonsensical if the vacuum's lowest power is rated at 1800 watts. Even now, the rating plate on the new Miele 700W S8 shows that 600 watts is the lowest speed, highest is 700 watts. 
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| Post# 271551 , Reply# 24 3/12/2014 at 17:02 (3,689 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
Ryan
I had this anomoly explained to me a few years ago.
As VOLTAGE varies from time of day and as to your location in the country what you recieve in your house can range from 210V to 250V The wattage difference is what it will drawer at the max voltage supplied at any one time. Thus the MAX is marked as such as run at full power, If the Voltage supplied to your house was lower, i.e more towards 210V the cleaner would operate at the lower wattage ' at the full power setting. If someone can explain better than me then feel free. But 300w is the supply used at the 300 setting. | ||
| Post# 271629 , Reply# 26 3/13/2014 at 08:51 (3,688 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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At the end of the day, whether or not Miele do actually put "300 watts" at the start of a vacuum cleaner motor, it isn't the same if the full power measures 700 watts or 900 watts - the limitations of speed on a vacuum cleaner are brought closer to the wider limits of power from low, medium to high.
Thus, in turn I think Miele owners (and SEBO and etc) may well see a difference with a turbo brush added. I summize that performance "wont be low" with these attachments put on when the vacuum is switched to its highest rating - when the vacuum cleaner has to draw more suction in with those heavy AirTeq/Wessel Werk floor heads added (same with SEBO's Deluxe Kombi floor tool, as well), then there's evidently enough pull for those kind of floor heads to be used with, otherwise the brand wouldn't have equipped them with, as such. Even with Numatic's model, the Wessel Werk floor head is also used - it is a compromise though compared to much lighter floor heads with "high power" vacuums. | ||
| Post# 271636 , Reply# 27 3/13/2014 at 09:33 (3,688 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 271649 , Reply# 28 3/13/2014 at 10:44 (3,688 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 271770 , Reply# 29 3/14/2014 at 02:53 (3,688 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I don't do ANY modern cleaners
Sorry to dwell on this folks, but Alex, if you don't "do" modern vacuums then why do you insist on commenting in threads about modern cleaners? If you don't like current cleaners, why bother? It's just a waste of your time and effort, especially seeing as your Hoover knowledge could be far more valuable in other posts.
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| Post# 271785 , Reply# 31 3/14/2014 at 07:34 (3,687 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 271787 , Reply# 32 3/14/2014 at 07:40 (3,687 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO) | ||
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That's actually not a half-bad price, relative to what we pay in the US. Even assuming a 2 to 1 conversion (and I don't think the GBP is trading that high right now), that'd be $600, and most Miele S8 machines in the states are almost $1000 in shops near me. | ||
| Post# 271829 , Reply# 34 3/14/2014 at 12:24 (3,687 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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chris... | ||
| Post# 271847 , Reply# 35 3/14/2014 at 13:41 (3,687 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"Hate" is a strong word. One would never wish it upon you that whatever spares are left in the UK, that you can't get them for your cherished vintage vacuums.
However I must concede here - it was a HUGE disappointment for me not to be able to get soft bag replacements for either my Senior, Powerplus or Junior vacs in the late 1990s when I took up collecting. I had to make do what was available, either rescuing old vacuums from tips, washing the bags and getting my late mum to do extra stitching on the metal zips of the bags. You learn to move on. If you don't, you'll end up disliking everything about vacuums in general. | ||
| Post# 271871 , Reply# 36 3/14/2014 at 17:14 (3,687 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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You are absolutely right Ryan. It still doesn't justify my dislike for new vacs,I realise the spares won't be there forever, but why not strike while the iron is hot? At the worst if they burn out or what have you I will have the shells. I will have to pick up the courage and use modern ones eventually because nothing lasts forever.
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| Post# 271875 , Reply# 37 3/14/2014 at 17:22 (3,687 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 271885 , Reply# 38 3/14/2014 at 18:14 (3,687 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 271901 , Reply# 39 3/14/2014 at 19:37 (3,687 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 271905 , Reply# 40 3/14/2014 at 19:56 (3,687 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 271911 , Reply# 42 3/14/2014 at 20:39 (3,687 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I don't like the Votex I LOVE it, I really do like Purepowers to be honest they are pretty nice cleaners. My main area of interest in vacuums is 70's, 80's and especially 90's I am sure we don't want to mention what my favourite 90's vacuum is in fear that Mr Sebofan will have a chip on his shoulder.
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| Post# 271913 , Reply# 43 3/14/2014 at 21:12 (3,687 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Votex Alex? Is that a new vac that I've never heard of? Sebo_fan is the same with Jamie Murray and his Hoover Ranger - I think its quite funny actually. | ||
| Post# 271927 , Reply# 44 3/14/2014 at 22:50 (3,687 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Speak for yourself Steve, it wasn't that long ago that you had a bang with Chris and Alex on here.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...! As for you Alex - you don't need to mention what you're into - those can clearly click on your photo to see what models you clearly love. They'll nearly be vintage soon, don't you think? | ||
| Post# 271948 , Reply# 45 3/15/2014 at 07:33 (3,686 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Ryan... | ||
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