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Post# 26496   12/9/2007 at 17:29 (5,953 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

Yup...that's right! Some Dreyfuss Designs would be really cool! I love that 150...and the Constellation...and really everything he designed! So let's see them! I'll start out...but it's no vacuum!

~~K~~

That's a Western Electric 302! I wish mine looked like that...but it looks pretty close!


Post# 26610 , Reply# 1   12/10/2007 at 13:15 (5,952 days old) by z30soulbrother (West Midlands, UK)        
DREYFUSS

kyle my senior 652c 1970 i think , does it qualify? it was a dreyfuss design of the late 50s yes?

SI


Post# 26611 , Reply# 2   12/10/2007 at 13:18 (5,952 days old) by z30soulbrother (West Midlands, UK)        
senior blower converter

kyle sorry forgot to include the blower converter! i do have it, honest!

si


Post# 26612 , Reply# 3   12/10/2007 at 13:23 (5,952 days old) by z30soulbrother (West Midlands, UK)        
toolkit

kyle, or anyone, this is the toolkit that came with it, i have a feeling there was a more modern 1 out at the time of this particular model, with, plastic wand clips and fixed converter with removable plate to unblock,yes? or did that all come later?

si


Post# 26613 , Reply# 4   12/10/2007 at 13:24 (5,952 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Model 652

Here's the UK-adaptation of the original Dreyfuss design, on which the 6525C was based:

Post# 26614 , Reply# 5   12/10/2007 at 13:33 (5,952 days old) by ian88 ()        

Does this qualify?

Post# 26646 , Reply# 6   12/10/2007 at 15:59 (5,952 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
160 & 960

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Post# 26647 , Reply# 7   12/10/2007 at 16:07 (5,952 days old) by z30soulbrother (West Midlands, UK)        
dreyfuss

did these have side hose ports?

si


Post# 26648 , Reply# 8   12/10/2007 at 16:15 (5,952 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

Good job, everyone! Yes, Simon, that qualifies! Ya'll have some beauties alright!!

Yes, Ian...that one counts too! I like that train. In my visit to New York City with my band, we stayed at the Edison Hotel. Sure enough, they have a mural of that exact train! :-)

Man, I never can get enough of Dreyfuss designs...SAY! Did he design the Hoover logo as well? I think the Wikipedia page credits that to...what's his face...that other famous designer. The guy that designed the Studebaker logo. Anyways...

~~K~~


Post# 26657 , Reply# 9   12/10/2007 at 16:47 (5,952 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Raymond Loewy??

??

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Post# 26659 , Reply# 10   12/10/2007 at 16:51 (5,952 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Model 262

Based on the Model 26 (?), also a Dreyfuss design.

Post# 26660 , Reply# 11   12/10/2007 at 16:54 (5,952 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Side hose port

160, 960 and 262 all have side hose ports, as did the 612 which replaced them:

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Post# 26661 , Reply# 12   12/10/2007 at 16:55 (5,952 days old) by 74simon ()        
Hey Si,

Yes, the toolkit with your 6525C is an earlier one - the main giveaway is the metal clips on the rods, which were replaced by plastic ones in the mid sixties. Also, from 1968, the convertor pan was permanently attached to the hose, with no facility to blow. Later hoses are also shorter too, those early ones are great for doing the stairs with!

Yep, the 160/960 has the side port. Here's mine all set up before I had a proper flex put on it (pardon the mess, by the way!):


Post# 26664 , Reply# 13   12/10/2007 at 17:14 (5,952 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Here's mine, still in use. The Honeywell roundie and if I could get over to my neighbors with camera they still have many of their Dreyfuss designed Honeywell Tap-light light switches

Post# 26668 , Reply# 14   12/10/2007 at 17:53 (5,952 days old) by charles~richard ()        

What's the difference/s between the 160 and 960?



Post# 26669 , Reply# 15   12/10/2007 at 17:55 (5,952 days old) by ian88 ()        
Since Kyle likes weird Trains seemingly, here's some WW2

Steam Turbine locomotive prototypes, look at the bloody things..makes me want to start whistling the Midgar theme from Final Fantasy 7 =p

Post# 26670 , Reply# 16   12/10/2007 at 17:57 (5,952 days old) by ian88 ()        

#2

Post# 26671 , Reply# 17   12/10/2007 at 18:02 (5,952 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Charles Richard:

I'll answer your question about the 960 in my own 960-related thread!

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Post# 26686 , Reply# 18   12/10/2007 at 18:39 (5,952 days old) by charles~richard ()        

Thanks -- if the fan case liner was so crucial, why wasn't it a feature on ALL Hoovers?

I really like the big fat bag of the 960 -- I'll bet if I had seen on as a little kid I would have been terrified of it!


Post# 26690 , Reply# 19   12/10/2007 at 18:51 (5,952 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Good question!

I guess it added weight, and perhaps they didn't realise it would be necessary in the home environment.

I think it's probably things like pennies, or small rocks, which pose the greatest threat. I've seen a couple of 700/800 series cleaners on eBay in the past with holes in the side of their fan chamber - one seller actually suggested 'This does not affect the function of the cleaner'!

I'm surprised that whatever caused the hole in my 160 didn't also take out a few fan-blades!

The 900 and 925 also had lined fan chambers...I'm not sure about the 972, 961, or anything earlier.


Post# 26691 , Reply# 20   12/10/2007 at 18:52 (5,952 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

Wow, ya'll are coming up with some good stuff here! :-)

Man, I figured someone would come up with the Honeywell thermostat! :-D

Nice, Ian! Those are some cool ones!!

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing, Charles! That lining seems as though it is obviously important...!

~~K~~

Oh, yeah! I have another...doesn't it look like that train, the 20th Century Limited? (*hint hint*) :-D I own an Eversharp Skyline as well...just need a few vacuums to complete the collection! :-P


Post# 26693 , Reply# 21   12/10/2007 at 19:04 (5,952 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Not Dreyfuss but one of my alltime favorite trains.

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Post# 26695 , Reply# 22   12/10/2007 at 19:09 (5,952 days old) by ian88 ()        
Well since we're talking a.) design and b.) trains, I ma

Here she is, English Electric (yes, the washing machine people) Deltic, powered by an engine which was arranged in a sort of Triangle shape..nothing else on earth sounds like a Deltic lol.

I know i'm sort of straying off topic, but can ya really blame me people? :P


Post# 26713 , Reply# 23   12/10/2007 at 22:02 (5,952 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Lionel version of Dreyfuss NYC 20th Century Limited.

Post# 26714 , Reply# 24   12/10/2007 at 22:05 (5,952 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Lionel's version of Raymond Lowey's locomotive streamlineing - the 1939 Torpedo - equally memorable and recognizable.

Post# 26716 , Reply# 25   12/10/2007 at 22:28 (5,952 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Sorry, that's Raymond Loewy. The Torpedo was another name for Pennsylvania Railroad's experimental S1 which Lionel scaled considerably shorter so it would navigate it's own 027 switches, as they had earlier for the Dreyfuss design. Lionel also had its version of the Burlington Zephyr.

Post# 26718 , Reply# 26   12/10/2007 at 23:47 (5,952 days old) by charles~richard ()        

It's easy to understand how Henry Dreyfuss and Raymond Loewy and, to a lesser extent perhaps, Lurelle Guild are frequently mixed up one for the other. They certainly were kindred spirits. For that matter, I guess you could also throw Walter Teague and Norman Bel Geddes into the mix as well, although I don't believe the latter two designed any vacuum cleaners.



Post# 26720 , Reply# 27   12/11/2007 at 00:21 (5,952 days old) by z30soulbrother (West Midlands, UK)        
cheers for the info

ta for that guys, si i thought so about the tools for senior, yes i would rather have these older type, you can blow and the hose is nice and long, same with the juniors of those times. can anyone tell me anything about the next 1 up from the 160 series that came in blue but still had side hose port but "modern" blue flexible hose and tools and i think there was an eqhivelent in junior 119 shape with similar tools?

si


Post# 26721 , Reply# 28   12/11/2007 at 02:22 (5,952 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Si

Hey mate
The senior type you are thinking of is the 638 or 63 in the us. I dont have one but im sure someone can oblige with a pic :-). The junior is the 1224 - will post a pic of mine complete with tools tonight. It is the same as the 119 but with a different paint job . These were the first uk uprights to have the Hooverflex hose. Hooverflex was known as Ultraflex over the pond, seamus


Post# 26722 , Reply# 29   12/11/2007 at 04:12 (5,952 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Didn't My Dreyfuss also design some tractors for John Deere?

Post# 26730 , Reply# 30   12/11/2007 at 07:05 (5,951 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        

Did someone say 150???



Post# 26731 , Reply# 31   12/11/2007 at 07:06 (5,951 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        

Ok one More!

Happy as a Clam!


Post# 26733 , Reply# 32   12/11/2007 at 07:08 (5,951 days old) by ian88 ()        

I'd imagine there's a website, maybe just a Wikipedia article that lists Dreyfuss's designs..i'll have a scout for one ;]

Ah here we go, Wikipedia..the cause, and solution to, all of life's problems.

Significant original Dreyfuss designs include:

the "Western Electric 302" tabletop telephone for Bell Laboratories (1930, produced 1937-1950)
the Hoover "Model 150" vacuum cleaner (1936)
the classic Westclox "Big Ben" alarm clock (1939)[1]
the New York Central Railroad's streamlined "Twentieth Century Limited" locomotive (1938)
the popular "Democracity" model city of the future at the 1939 New York World's Fair
the styled John Deere Model A and Model B tractors (1938)
the Wahl-Eversharp Skyline fountain pen (1940).
the "500" desk telephone (1949), the Bell System standard for 45 years
the Honeywell circular wall thermostat (1953).
the spherical "Model 82 Constellation" vacuum cleaner for Hoover (1954) which floated on an air cushion of its own exhaust.
the "Princess" telephone (1959)
the "Trimline" desk telephone (1965).


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Post# 26735 , Reply# 33   12/11/2007 at 07:31 (5,951 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

I own a Trimline as well...the DIAL kind! I never knew they had those until my twin was at an antique store and found one and bought it for me for my birthday! I got it working, but I still need to find a plug...and I can't remember if the ringer works or not. Also, I have the 500...that's a pretty one!

Say...the 82 Constellation does NOT float, right? I believe I used one at Toby's house...and, well...it didn't float. Is this correct?

GREAT MODEL TRAINS!! I love those!! :-)

~~K~~


Post# 26739 , Reply# 34   12/11/2007 at 07:35 (5,951 days old) by ian88 ()        

Yeah it doesn't float afaik.

I prefer the ones that float tbh, makes em cooler imo lol.


Post# 26740 , Reply# 35   12/11/2007 at 09:07 (5,951 days old) by z30soulbrother (West Midlands, UK)        
constellation

i am glad someone else has raised this floating issue. i was always unsure, so was it all of the the top hose jobbies that didnt float and only the side hose ones that did change took place around 1957ish yes?

si


Post# 26741 , Reply# 36   12/11/2007 at 09:17 (5,951 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Right. As originally conceived by Raymond Loewy the 82 does not hover. As the original owner's manual posted here indicates, the big selling feature of the all new Constellation was the super long Ultraflex hose and swiveltop connecter that kept the machine in the center of the room (like an Air-Way) while allowing a 14 foot radial reach. A rubber gasket directed the exhaust into the felt stuffed rim where it exited up the sides of the lower ball, which was spaced 1/4" away from the rim by the hinge and two rubber bumper buttons. The rim was hinged to open for access to the blower port. As a consumate and accomplished industrial designer Loewy would have done this to muffle the exhaust and keep it from blowing outwards disturbing dust into the air.

The 'accidental' hovering ability was added the second year by modifying the gasket to direct exhaust through a matching port to the bottom of the otherwise identical rim, with the trade-off result of blowing unsucked dust bunnies scurrying to the four walls. The rim was still hinged to open for access for hose connection to the blower port without tipping the whole vacuum inelegantly over on its side.

In the 3rd and major Constellation modification, to capitolize on this frictionless floating side benefit, the lower rim was redesigned to be more suited to the purpose and rivited solidly in place tight to the ball. The wide outward rim flare doubles as a hose coiling cradle so the entire vacuum ensemble can be carried & stored away as one unit. The top center swivel elbow was no longer needed as the vacuum could trail along behind the vacuumer and was moved off center down the side and the finned handle added which doubles as a cord wrap.

This is the model most are familiar with. Later changes to this final enduring form accomodated tool holder racks, and the model Tom gave me that has two clever fin-let tabs just above the rubber bumper trim for cord coiling there rather than around the handle. Tom also showed me the model with the optional power hose connection. More on that please, Tom. I remember he said something about how short lived this inovation lasted due to electrical failures...

The engineering evolution & solutions away from Loewy's original intent become obvious when all 3 early machines can be compared side by side.

Not that there's anything wrong with that - Hoover paid for the design, owned it and was free to change anything the marketing department deemed essential to continued sales success. The longevity of the Connie design proves how right they were.



Post# 26742 , Reply# 37   12/11/2007 at 09:20 (5,951 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
oops, you know I meant Dreyfuss, not Loewy, right?

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Early morning, waiting on the coffee. My apologies. Dave

Post# 26757 , Reply# 38   12/11/2007 at 15:54 (5,951 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Original non-hovering Dreyfuss Constellation 82 from the Owner's Manual showing the inner ring of exhaust holes of the felt lined outer rim ring to which the Connie blow hole exhaust is directed through a rubber seal. Mmm, same principle and construction as an engine muffler. :-)

Post# 26758 , Reply# 39   12/11/2007 at 15:58 (5,951 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Canadian 841E swiveltop with hovering modification.

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Modification to rim ring allowing hovering action. No inner side holes. All exhaust directed to floor.

Post# 26760 , Reply# 40   12/11/2007 at 16:03 (5,951 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Profile of Dreyfuss' floor ring design. Note how the angle & height of the rim hinge lets the vacuum body rest on the rubber bumper when accessing the blower port, without letting the vacuum tumble over.

Can anyone tell us if Dreyfuss had a hand in the later flared hovering rim and finned handle elements? Or was this a Hoover initiative of the Engineering Dept.?


Post# 26773 , Reply# 41   12/11/2007 at 18:59 (5,951 days old) by charles~richard ()        

Didn't Dreyfuss also design the Hoover 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 60, 61, 62 and 63? I thought he did that entire series. And maybe even the first Convertible??



Post# 28829 , Reply# 42   1/10/2008 at 09:21 (5,921 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

Yep he did


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