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Post# 267697 , Reply# 3   2/14/2014 at 18:03 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well they have great filtration IF you get the Active Air Clean filter or more expensive HEPA filter.
The standard "Super Air" Clean filter is their basic microfilter that does an alright job until the third bag is used and then is starts to smell of dust and dankness. Worse of course if you have dogs. In the UK we no longer get the PN option unless you buy a rechargeable battery floor head. The S2 also benefits from a larger bag than the S6, so you're better off. In time you could buy a suction only floor head to get around the home if the PN isn't always required. The only thing I don't like is that the S2 have small cord lengths. Measure what you have already and compare. |
Post# 267712 , Reply# 5   2/14/2014 at 19:26 (3,721 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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tell 'em, "i'm lookin' to buy a cannister, soon". They will snap into action or will be out of business before long anyway with that level of service. Get advice here on a fair price, if their's is not in the ballpark, move on to Miele. No reason Germany's Miele, with it's comparatively crazy high labor costs, currency exchange rate disadvantage, and much higher shipping overhead should be able to compete...lessen you got a salesman who should be in another line of work scaring good customers like you to the competition. I went to a shark tank that I thought said "Aerus dealer" over the door...guess, 'word of mouth' is no longer a marketing consider with that firm. "Adios creep" i thought to myself never to return.
My father was a salesman driving in all weather through the northern midwest for decades...he walked in with cash whether it was a toaster or a new car and gave salesmen one chance not to completely eff up the sale...they often failed the test, i guess i take after him in some ways. After all, it's easy not to be an asshole to someone who's putting food on your table, if not it might be time to learn. IMO clone vacs like the Perfect are okay but not at that price. Seems you could get a like new Lux used and be happier. This post was last edited 02/14/2014 at 20:22 |
Post# 267721 , Reply# 6   2/14/2014 at 20:32 (3,721 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Take a look at the Royal Lexon S20 canister. It's $699.99 retail, but you may be able to find it for a bit less online. I absolutely LOVE mine. The attachments it comes with are kind of meh, but it will take any standard size tools.
The PN is absolutely to die for and the build quality of the entire package is something incredible. It also comes standard with a really nice HORSE HAIR bare floor brush. The machine and PN are both very quiet as well if noise is a considering factor. |
Post# 267723 , Reply# 7   2/14/2014 at 20:45 (3,721 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 267733 , Reply# 8   2/14/2014 at 21:00 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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We've had that Royal vacuum in the UK under the Vax badge, but made simpler. Known as the "Maxima." Wertheim also brought it to the UK a couple of years ago with a PN but sales have been low, apparently.
I know it also sells in the U.S under Hoover and others. For a straight suction vacuum, the Vax Maxima weighs nearly 8kg and I found it too heavy to lift as well as bulky to store. It also has a tiny 2.5 litre dust bag - HALF the size than Miele's near 5 litres on the S2. I never understood why TTI made a Miele copy in the form of the Maxima - it looks very similar to a Miele S5, has the same dimensions, same power (2200 watts on the Vax) and yet has a tiny dust bag on board. The PN on your Royal sounds rather good but if lightweight is a stronger consideration, the S2 is so much easier to handle and perfect for confined spaces. |
Post# 267734 , Reply# 9   2/14/2014 at 21:02 (3,721 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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I looked around on Ebay for a used one and there is not a lot to choose from. They do seem to pop up every few weeks with a nice deal though.
I know you are looking for a new machine but i got curious to see what one could do in the way of a made in America Tacony product if they were on somewhat of a budget. I found this tippy top of the line Riccar that sold for something less than the Buy it Now price of $150 plus shipping...nice deal it seems to me (see link). CLICK HERE TO GO TO stricklybojack's LINK on eBay |
Post# 267756 , Reply# 10   2/14/2014 at 23:00 (3,721 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut)   |   | |
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FORGET the Miele and get a Riccar/Simplicity.
Miele has TINY TINY tools that are pretty much useless and short cord amongst other shortcomings. I made the Miele mistake and now I'm looking at Riccar (full size) and also considering Lux Guardian Platinum. Vacuums that are made for American homes (larger tools, bags, cords, hoses). |
Post# 267759 , Reply# 12   2/15/2014 at 00:02 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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The S6 without the PN is also very easy to store and has a small footprint, as my model S6 shows here: |
Post# 267760 , Reply# 13   2/15/2014 at 00:04 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Or it can compact even smaller with the wand removed (Turbo head shown) |
Post# 267761 , Reply# 14   2/15/2014 at 00:12 (3,721 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)   |   | |
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Despite the outer shell,the inner guts of the Royal Lexon SR30020 is a much better machine than the Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary or Vax versions. They have great airflow and the hose, wands and power nozzle are amazing to use. Type S Royal HEPA bags are easy to find. The universal fit hose handle will accept near any manufacturers attachments.
Simplicity/ Riccar machines have tons of power, are very quiet, excellent builds, comfortable handle, long cords, metal base plate, metal brush rolls, you really can't go wrong with one of those either. I recommend the Simplicity Verve. It has a large capacity bag with full size power nozzle. Hose handle is very comfortable, and doesn't have the extra unnecessary bells and whistles which you most likely don't need. Mieles are good build quality, quiet and good power. You will sacrifice hose length, cord length, and attachment size on the Miele. The bags and other parts are very expensive on the Miele and the power nozzles have no rug guard bars so they're more privy to eating up corners of throw rugs. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK |
Post# 267766 , Reply# 16   2/15/2014 at 00:39 (3,721 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Towards a riccar or simplicity canister, they really are worth looking into. I have both and i like them but i would take my Riccar 1700 (2nd to top of the line) over my miele Silver moon for a few reasons
1. The Carpet cleaning performance of the riccar is better than the miele due i put the two against each other vacuuming a pathway with each vacuum then i took a kirby with a demo tool over the same space. 2. The hose is longer on the riccar it just makes cleaning much more convenient 3. Cost of ownership, the riccar/simplicity canisters will be much cheaper to own Riccar bags 6 for $16.95, Hepa Filter $32, 3 in 1 tool $10 Miele bags 4 for i want to say 20, Hepa Filter $50, dusting brush $20 Remember that these pads came from a vacuuming after these vacuums so the cleaner pad is the better performer, due to lighting you cannot really see it but the miele pad was more soiled with a finer dust, they are both good vacuums but i would definitely choose the Riccar |
Post# 267824 , Reply# 17   2/15/2014 at 11:49 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well Im just responding to Derek's original post. If I lived in a caravan I'd be happy with a SEBO K1. But then Derek has mentioned two brands and models he has his eye on.
Some of you seem to be neglecting this fact and just concentrating on other brands and models. Derek already doesn't mind about the short power cord. In a caravan space is usually at a premium, so does a longer hose or longer power cord really justify this need over cleaning versatility? The S6 is indeed great but it has a smaller dust bag capacity. It is also far more expensive in the U.S than the S2 with electric nozzle. It is true that an air driven turbo brush might be a far more versatile unit but if it has to deal with thick carpeting, it may struggle. From Miele USA, you actually get the standard suction only floor head AND the electric PN which I think is a great deal. For the cost price, the S2 or S6 Homecare seems to be well thought out. What a pity we don't benefit from these in the UK. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK |
Post# 267832 , Reply# 19   2/15/2014 at 12:31 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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That's what we call a Static Caravan.
This is what I call a Mobile Home / Motorhome: |
Post# 267843 , Reply# 20   2/15/2014 at 13:19 (3,721 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 267849 , Reply# 21   2/15/2014 at 14:25 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Thank you for posting a photo of your home.
I have never seen a Miele PN head that has 5 adjustable settings though. I note the Royal offers 4 height level settings. However the poor guy at Govacuum has to literally shout over this video review and the dust bags at 3 litres are still smaller than Miele. End of the day it depends on what Royal charge for the dust bags and base your decision on that compared to Miele. |